The Holy Trinity

The Holy Trinity

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Take out dmc crap from there.

atleast they actually got a game, unlike godhand and NG

replace dmc5 with mgr

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Sure, that seems fine. Not perfect games, but they don't have to be.

What.

My nigga.

i love mgr as much as the next guy but it doesnt belong that high

Style switching is a shitty mechanic but the dmc4 Dante elitist will never admit it

based

What is it about DMC that triggers people. Is it just jealousy?

dmc is the best action series in vidya but this ended up bringing a load of spergatrons to corrode the fanbase making it smash tier shit,reminder you literally cant say you think dmc1 is better than 3 or you're "a contrarian faggot" despite both being different enough

>reminder you literally cant say you think dmc1 is better than 3 or you're "a contrarian faggot"
by "better", what do we mean here exactly? Because DMC1 had things that are better than 3 and vice versa. So to me it just ends up with your prefrence

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MGR is fun as hell and an amazing game but its depth is nowhere near NGB or GodHand

The Action Games Calamities
1) Walking Sections
2) Skills/Abilities on wait timers
3) Counter/Dodge/Parry indicators/slowdown
4) Color-Coded Enemies
5) QTE/situation kill only enemies

I think it's pretty sad that there's infighting in an extremely niche genre.

Boring trinity

You xsn enjoy 1 more but it factually isn't better. It's Lome a 6/10, clunky game.

>trinity
>only three games
>DMC5
Ya fucked it

You forgot W101

Was 5 really good enough to dethrone 3?

dogshit list

I liked Bujingai, it had a cool parry system

>playing a game with Gackt

get ready for the ff7 remake

Is it suddenly popular to shit on Devil May Cry because the last game was as good as everyone wanted it to be? 5 is one of the best action games ever. I don't see how anyone couldn't agree with this.

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Welcome to Yea Forums
>New Game = bad
>Popular Game also = bad

Oh cool, he posted it again

You want everyone to just suck each other off and circle jerk over the exact same taste in games? Pass.

Your favourite game is shit, and mine is the best game ever made.

No, I want discussion about the different games, how they're different, their pros and cons, and what can be done for future games to be better. I don't want childish people like yourself who follow blind fanboyism or prop their game up based on sales and reviews, but that's too tall of an order for Yea Forums.

What’s wrong with style switching? Seems like a smart way to add more options without making the inputs ridiculous.

I remember playing through god hand and loving all of the aesthetic and flare but just not having that much fun with it. I think I got set in a selection of moves I liked early and never changed that much, nor learned how to properly CC. I got tired of using donkey kick bc it was so good, but I wanna give it another try bc it *feels like theres more to do

That's objectively correct. I'll give a very slight nod to NG2 and Bayonetta 1, but nothing else compares to these three.

but all of those games are shit

check out moike kobe's godhand tutorial, mandatory for getting the most out of the game

>ALL GAMES ARE SHIT
Yea Forums in a nutshell

That may be exactly what I'm looking for, thanks. I pretty much played blind the first time

Not everyone on this board dislikes a game because its fresh and shiny user. DMC5, for as low as my expectations were for it ever since the E3 trailer, has failed me in every regard as a sequel. I personally dont like it because outside of its mediocre plot and abysmal boss/battle music, the game feels like a half step from 4, and most things I could note that DMC5 does are things I already came to terms with liking and disliking in 4. It doesn't improve upon 4's job more so than I feel it just kinda tops off things to where it would've been if 4 were a finished game.

Using instant launch juggle moves can get pretty boring really quicky. The real fun comes in challenging yourself (especially in KMS runs) and focusing on using counters for crowd control, charged uppercut is especially great for this. There really is no better feeling then diving into a group of enemies getting a cheeky uppercut counter and launching them all away with air launch kick.

Action games are all shit compared to fighting games

god hand isn't that great

Wait so I get a counter on one guy with charged upper, then what do I do? I don't know how to deal after I get swarmed from my sides. Does the air launch kick knock them all away after I counter the one guy?

touhou 12.8 is the best action game. also, i highly suspect 4channel doesn't know what the action genre is.

>combo inputs on braindead enemies = good
at least go play a fighting game. could cuhrayzee fags be any more retarded?

Not even better than DmC.

>mgr
>qte
>shit controls
>shit enemies
>shit level design
>no weapon switch on fly
Replace yourself faggot

Charged uppercut counters send all enemies excluding fatties up to air launch kick height. If you air launch one person anyone close enough will get hit by the kick and launched back as well. You can also try air launch kicking anyone close to you into another enemy farther away, they won't get sent back flying as far as the goon getting hit but they will get launched back a bit and knocked down.

If you start to get swarmed you have a couple options. Up dodge sweep counters and run away, up dodge and immediately sprint towards enemies through them to get away, and stepback kick canceled into backflip gives you a lot of breathing room. If you run away from enemies and need some time to asses the situation remember that you can use the roulette menu to stop time and lock on to the nearest enemy, it's a much better alternative to just using the dedicated turning around button.

Also a weak charged uppercut sends them up enough that you can just do a regular high side kick and launch them away. A good technique for splitting the enemies up. As the other user said, mikes God Hand videos are a pretty good resource for tons of hidden tech and general gameplay tips that show just how deep God Hand can be. For example if you get completely knocked down and don't mash buttons when you get up you can extend your invincibility frames with charged moves like the uppercut and fist of justice, basically making you invincible and giving you a free launch kick on crowds.

If you're getting swarmed try to side step or up dodge depending on the situation and most times you'll still have the window to air launch kick which clears out anyone in front of you and sometimes even right behind you. Don't force it though, if you have to backflip and wait for another opportunity then do that and try again. Getting good at God Hand is about knowing your windows.

>the only way to express differences in opinion is vitriol. Civil discussion doesn't exist
This is the problem with Yea Forums. People with the mindset of "I must call your game shit, otherwise we're just a circlejerk hugbox"

kill yourself devil may retard.

Royal realeased your ass, degenerate

DMC isn't the only game with weapon switching

Replace DMC with GOW 2018 and you'd have a perfect list. DMC has nothing on God of War and never will..

>enemies constantly breaking from combo/superarmor/parrying you = good
Remind me again why Bayonetta 2 flopped

Based.

Based tranny

The only four things I want in the genre right now.
>Ninja Gaiden Trilogy gets ported to PC (hell, I'd be happy with Sigma versions)
>God Hand gets ported to PC
>Wonderful 101 gets ported to Switch, or they announce a sequel
>Anarchy Reigns gets ported to PC/current gen (it could even go F2P, and just monetize itself with cosmetic DLC). Competitive multiplayer stylish action actually becomes a thing.

I just got Ninja Gaiden Black today and played until I started dying against some guys with horses in the second level, how do I git gud?

Add Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix to that for the sacred four

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NG2 and DMC3 are better but not super significantly so its a wash really
I had never heard of this and now I just bought a copy because it looked cool
Rather than a Trilogy collection, I'd want them to focus on creating definitive ports of each game individually before moving on to the next. The ideal would be if NGB and NG2 worked as in their original versions but with all of the Sigma version changes toggleable on or off. It's completely unrealistic of course, it'd be a hell of a lot of work and retards would be assblasted if they had to buy the games individually, even for a reasonable price.

Keep dying until you feel like not sucking anymore like everyone else.

These have both been really helpful input, thanks. Maybe I'll revisit it in the near future and experience it the right way. I didnt think about using roulette to turn, and definitely didnt know about any of the other stuff mentioned

Why does Koei-Tecmo neglect Ninja Gaiden? Yeah, adding them all to Xbone backwards compatibility was cool and all, but no one fucking has or wants an Xbone. Especially since they already stopped adding games to backwards compatibility.

>t.boomers with arthritis
I bet you fags think TLoU has deep gameplay

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>competitive multiplayer stylish action
Besides lack of marketing, why didn't Anarchy Reigns take off? Conceptually, competitive cuhrayzee sounds genius. Especially since the rise of competitive genres like ASSFAGGOTS and battle royales and shit, this could break the mold.

Pretty sure if you shoot them with the bow they'll fall off and be easy to kill. Game is hard but don't give up, worth the effort.

lol look at this faggot. GoW was game of the year. DMC will never be game of the year. Keep your weeb trash, I'll take the better gameplay and deep story

Just price them the same as buying them individually on Xbone. Better yet, make them crossbuy (but the downside of that would be you'd have to use the Xbox app on Windows 10 instead of getting a Steam copy)

2019, the year where:
>Yea Forums defends Donte from DmC
>Yea Forums thinks DmC's story is better than DMC 3
>Yea Forums thinks any MGR game has better gameplay than GodHand/Bayo/DMC/Ninja Gaiden
>Yea Forums shits on DMC 5, despite being a great game
you're all retards

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>>trinity
>>only three games

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look at OPs image
see GoW in there? no
that's because GoW isn't an action game

was the "abandon the way of the ninja" thing when i died in the first level the easy mode prompt? I selected no because I thought it would kick me out of the level since "the way of the ninja" is the name of the level
Is it worth playing in easy or should i keep as i am?

Fuck off KHfag, FFXV is better than any of those three games.

FFXV >>>>>>>>> dogshit >>>>>>>>>> any other game >>>> GoW

Tri is literally in the word, user.

imagine being so retarded you think GoW isn't the best action game series

>GoW 2018
>Dmc 5 2019

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yes that's my fucking point on him, user

The game is obtuse and unintuitive. So naturally Yea Forums thinks it's the best thing ever when you figure it out because they're starved for excellence and validation.

nvm I'm too tired
and retarded

>GoW
>action game

pretty sure thats the easy mode prompt, yeah
game is really hard, so if you don't have a lot of time and don't want to have to throw yourself at the wall over and over, then easy might be a good choice (haven't actually played it myself)
however, playing it on the normal difficulty is incredibly rewarding, and if you can get through something like DMC3 then its not that much of a step up. I would recommend normal if you aren't one to get too impatient from dying over and over.

>no arguments

>arguments
Are you retarded or what?

Even 2D Ninja Gaiden is lightyears ahead of GoW.

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Hot take

Ninja gaiden 2
W101
MGR

Ive always found every dmc game to be extremely clunky to play. Hitting things simply isnt satisfying, and the weird stiff controls drag the experience down. W101 is hard to get into but once you get a solid grasp on the mechanics, its extremely fun because its more about learning game mechanics than memorizing a million combos and inputs. And ng2 is just a pure visceral treat, well never see such extreme blood streams and executions from a japanese game again. Microsofts high test with the 360 really pushed that game into overdrive and its still remarkable for that, meanwhile ngb has a terrible camera, a lot of slow parts with dull level design, and bland graphics.

Honorable mentions to mgr and bayonette 2.

Be lucky OP chose God Hand and Ninja Gaiden

>still no arguments
How? GoW has better combat, deep story, and set the bar for future action games to live up to. Has a ninja gaiden game ever got GOTY?

Git gud

Who the fuck here has ever defended DmC/Donte?

how do i get good at DMC

>ARPG
>good

I don't know, man. NGB is so far ahead of the curve of every other action game it's not even a contest. Even God Hand with a more complex combat system can't compete with NGB's fluid and intuitive combat and punishing enemies. GH and DMC games are great games but NGB is a work of art.

What argument you want nigger
That gow is 2018 game and dmc is released in 2019
Are all GoW fans that retarded

based NGB bro.
DMC and GodHand are good but NGB is peak action game.
GoW on on the otherhand is just a movie game, nothing else.

>2019
>playing an action game where even the main protag CANNOT jump

>trinity
>lists 3 games

nu-Yea Forums everyone

Basically this except nier: automata for some weird reason

How would jumping improve a game that has zero platforming whatsoever?

>better combat
Not at all. GoW has combat that's about as loose as your mom, while Ninja Gaiden is almost as tight as my little sister.
>story
Doesn't fucking matter.

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What are you even on about?

>go to Söy of War subr*ddit
>search "combat mechanics"
>top results include "disappointed with combat mechanics"

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>DMC5
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no

Ninja Gaiden Black, Ninja Gaiden 2 and God Hand.

That's the holy trinity.

Ninja Gaiden 2 sucks.

your mother sucks my dick.

From what I played

W101, Ninja Gaiden Black, Bayonetta

Shouldn't it be MGR, DMC5, and Bayo?

NG2 doesn't hold a candle to those 2 games or most DMC games.

t. pleb filtered

If you can't think of 5 action games better than MGR I feel bad for you

>NG2
KEK

any actual reasons for the ng2 hate or what

>No KH2FM

Yikes.

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The bosses, levels, and enemies suck dick compared to the first. Not to mention it has far, far less content.

>story doesn't matter
thats gonna be a YIKES from me dawg. GOW is cinematic and epic with a deep story. that is why it is GOTY. Name me 1 (one) nInja weeb gaiden game that has been GOTY.

the bosses and level design are much much better. any non ninja enemies do suck though

You're delusional as fuck. I can think of four terrible chapters and horrible bosses respectively off the top of my head from 2.

i can think of twice that in ng1. im not saying its perfect, simply that its better than ng1. whatever pitfalls 2 has, sure beats stupid shit like swimming in underground caves finding keys or backtracking in blimps and dull brown and gray military bases with bits of awful fucking platforming thrown in there with bow based bosses in a game where the bow is AWFUL

But it's not. NG2 completely nosedives after chapter 4 and doesn't recover until 11, then nosedives again.

the only bad parts of ng1 are small gimmick sections like the platforming in the military base but never an entire level
meanwhile ng2 is plagued with entire levels of unfun bullshit like chapter 8

i disagree. chapter 3 is the worst level in the game and then it steadily rises from there. chapter 7-10 are some of my favorites. the ending feels rushed though, everything after 11. 5 and 6 couldve been great if it werent for those awful water demon enemies. what terrible enemies

I'm just far more fond of the challenges in Black. I can't think of any levels in 2 I genuinely love playing through aside from 1, 2, 10, and 11.

those sections are notoriously bad though plus the ending is just as bad as ng2 with that rush and unfair onslaught.

i know what you mean. those are peak levels but id throw in 7, 8 and 9 to. i thought ng1 was a lot better than it was thanks to nostalgia goggles and general internet hype. but when it was reborn in 4k on xbox one x, i beat it once and then sold my 2006 copy. i can safely say i will never play it again. which sucks because the general flow of combat is top class, masterful stuff. every fight with ninjas feels intimate, like a samurai movie. but everything else has to drag the whole package down, from time wasting level design and puzzles to unclear objectives and cheap save system to retarded controls and ranged options. my perfect ng game would be the smaller scale battles of ng1 for that more intimate feel (and so you dont have to keep clobbering with moves that give invincibility), but the more responsiveness, blood/gore, and linear level design of ng2. straightforward bosses. AND ONLY NINJA ENEMIES. this series had so much potential, microsoft really shouldve given the director his own studio so he could continue making action games. instead cinematic movies that sony shits out dominate the industry, what a fucking joke.

I don't disagree at all, there still isn't a perfect NG game. I think what sets Black apart for me is the bonus challenges, there's a ton of them and you can pick and choose which ones you want that strip away the bullshit and give you some clean, challenging fun. I wouldn't mind a bit of enemy diversity if they ever do continue the franchise so long as they don't detract from the experience of the entire campaign the way each NG has done so far.

>Honorable mentions to mgr and bayonette 2.
MGR is a fun game but a terrible action game and Bayo 2 is so bad compared to the first game that it makes me want to cry

Agreed

wait, people still think MGR is a good action game?

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>bad
Why? I heard they got rid of qte and other shit.

Only people who think bayo 2 is good never played past 1st climax, its awful.

>its awful
Care to eleborate?

Not him but what I hate about it is that sure they got rid of QTEs but they fucked up the core gameplay instead thanks to the shit weapons and making witch time fundamental instead of optional. If I can recall correctly none of the enemies can be juggled and dealt with effectively outside of witch time aside from the first type you fight.

>posting niggers
yes it is, NIGGER

Give me that funk, that sweet, that nasty, that gushy stuff

>muh qte
Jesus fuck why do Bayo 2 babies obsess over this point, there were only like 5 places where a qte could kill you and only 2 where somewhat bullshit if you're playing it for the first time but after multiple playthroughs you remember where all of them are. You know what's worse than insta death qte's?
>underwater segements
>flying bosses
>overpowered items that don't negatively affect your score
>taunt off-setting removed for no fucking reason
>ranking system completely changed for the worse
>secret challenge levels now being piss easy
>spamming your most powerful move instead of actually switching up combos giving you better ranks
>the game being balanced towards witch time while also ruining the mechanic
>those walk-and-talk interactive cutscenes that grind the game's pace to a halt
And worst of umbrun climax, I can't even begin to explain how umbrun climax is one of the worst mechanics introduced into a game without writing a full essay. And the worst part is that it's not like they can remove such a major mechanic in bayo 3, not after all the bayo 2 faggots are used to pressing a single button to win.

>Bayo 2 babies
I never played Bayo 2...
>how umbrun climax
Is this some sort of DT?

Alot of things, I'll try to list most of them
>game is balanced around wt even on nsic
>game is floatier
>can't relaunch basic enemies
>combo extenders like pistol(circle square) use magic and do pushback
>can't combo, stun, anything to bosses unless in umbran climax mode
>uc is a glorified button mash mode but the only way to do damage to certain bosses
>air fights have no z axis and are just dodge and punish
>witch twist only does weaves in UC mode
>umbral spear is broken and doesn't work properly as well as having a delay
>they put a delay on jump cancelling
>they put not punishment for using items despite the first game having this
>even more broken weapons than killgore
>game is like only hard playthrough difficult, hardly even that now that its based around WT. bayo 2 is ridiculously easy
>half of accessories useless because wt balancing
>whip weapons with no downsides like in 1 because positioning doesn't matter anymore, we GOW now. (also their grab is ridiculously broken)
>UC has an actual delay on its input.
Could go on, but basically the balance is fucked, enemies are unfun and can't be combo'd, and the bosses are 10x worse and a slog due to UC.