HES OUT!

>he's still posting
LOL

clearly not the same guy.

thats what i thought after making that post, original plantposter probably offed himself tbqh

Yeah probably. He's a laughing stock.

He posted in

why would you release a character a few days before evo? It kills the hype for no reason

it's not like he wasn't known

That's not him. Check the filename

Was it autism?

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Ahh, those were the days.

there's a difference between "this character and patch is coming" and "this character and patch is out but we have to play on the old one." Just doesn't make a lot of sense from a marketing and support perspective. Releasing him right after would have way better results and get rid of that unnecessary cloud over the tournament

nigga that's been a standard for many tourneys even outside smash

Oh no he ain't

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15 minutes

i swear im not kidding, op is just a retard that doesn't understand timezones

SIX MINUTES

OVER NINE THOUSAND MINUTES OF WAITING TO DOWNLOAD IT DUE TO SERVER LOAD ISSUES!!!

don't worry westerners don't play dragon quest

Better be quick Yea Forums

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How. How did i hear her? I haven't watched that show in 17 years.

A good deal of us do thanks to learning about it through hentai

patch notes are up

LINK

post link

aaand peach is f tier wtf did they do to her

I'd rather they post the Hero. We've had Link for years, give me the new guy.

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Hero's out on the eshop, update isn't out yet though.

www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/en-US/6527a5da/index.html?na_lang=en-US&na_country=US&from_game=1

says balance changes but the link for balance changes isn't up yet

YOU CUNT

CURRENTLY DOWNLOADING

downloading!

Downloading...

DOWNLOADING!

downloading?

LEON!

ah'm downloading

it's actually downloading with no problem

thank you based west for not giving a shit about DQ

Eyy, I'm fucking early for once.

>downloaded the update
>automatically received the Geno mii costume for free
KEK

WHERE ARE PATCH NOTES

Hey kid, I'm a computer! Stop all the downloading!

I thought you were lying but here we go, Downloading...

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NEVER

E
V
E
R

And it's installed!

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"Online Tourney mode has been added. While a tourney is open, please check rules and more within Online Tourney."
Are Yea Forumskends coming back? PLEASE.

>4.0 will be available in the next 7 days

yep he's busted

en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/47012

YES

RIDLEY BIFFS
AAAAAAAAAAAA

>Ivysaur HEAVY nerfs
I fucking hate it
why can't they nerf someone else instead, like palutena or sword shitter #6

>hero's classic mode is all stamina battles

kino

>Ivy nerfed in all the right places (while Charizard gets crazy buffed)
>Peach (somehow) got buffed
>WFT and Zelda untouched

I'm okay with this patch.

Arusu*

Erdrick is only a Mii costume.

He's mediocre as fuck. Yea Forums and Twitter were wrong yet again.

Man I wish you could set preferred victory screens. The one with the three Slimes waiting eagerly to cheer for the Hero is so damn cute.

The Menu seems impractical as fuck, you literally don't know what you're going to do before you use it. I can't see anyone ever seriously getting hit by its melee attacks.

Erdrick is a title, not a name. Arusu has the Erdrick title.

>While Arsene is summoned, projectiles that deal 50% or more damage cannot be reflected.
Is this even a thing?

His frame data is terrible, holy shit. His specials come out fast enough, but his sword swings are a joke. Even Shulk and Link feel faster.

is it just me or are this throws pretty awful? I don't see a single combo throw. His aerials have pretty bad frames, Hell you can't even short hop fast fall B-air. His down tilt and Up-smash seem pretty bad and the menu gimmick is a gimmick.

Seems like he's just a big hitter bruiser that'll struggle with combo game.

Every reflector breaks after a certain percentage.
I don't know what Joker's was before, but now it's 50.

Which makes sense, DQ isn't a game about combos

He fucks

So am I expected to take the time to read the Hero's Menu while I'm trying to combo and hope I get something good?

Seems only good when I'm off stage, broken shield, tumbling, sleeping already.

>inb4 people screech ban anyway because they can't look down and notice a telegraphed attack.

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>Thwack has a 40% chance to KO at 0
Really epic character, Sakurai.

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>Mewtwo buffs
woo!

I really hope that isn't why I was able to get the download in a matter of seconds.

Hero is going to be combo food. He has no combo breaker. All his aerials have this split second delay to them as he winds up his swings. Only his up air comes out fast, and its a tiny kick above the rest of his body.

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they buffed the shit out of Charizard though

Really? That seems way too much.

>Increased Flame Charge/Side-B launch
FUCK YES.

you sure it's not like 4%? Because that would be waaay more inline with how Thwack usually goes in DQ

>Big Nair buffs
I guess I'll take it. Charizard is pretty fun

Man do I hate Link's dash attack so much.

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>Peach (somehow) got buffed

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It works a little under half the time, from what I can see.

That user isn't disagreeing, he's saying that regardless tryhard faggots like Leffen will cry and screech for him to be banned and nerfed because "MUH RNG"

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>very sluggish, none of his aerials autocancel from a short hop except up air
>speaking of aerials, fair and bair have long windups, but their range is huge
>no follow-up potential off of up tilt or down tilt
>Accelerate increases your OVERALL speed, which means you can go near the blast zone and recover from your second jump
>yes, you can jump cancel the command menu. YES, YOU CAN B-REVERSE A COMMAND
>Swoosh is a projectile that goes down
>Woosh is a godly OOS option, hitting on frame 7
>Psyche Up applies the boost to the next attack you make, INCLUDING PUMMEL AND JAB
>Snooze only goes roughly half the distance of Battlefield
>Boom and Kaboom are proximity-based, but detonate after a certain distance
Hero is weird. His frame data is very sluggish, but all of his attacks are extremely powerful. What playstyle would you call Hero?

>What playstyle would you call Hero?
Doubles

So is he has broken as everyone thought?

No because it takes time to use any of those menu options.

>Hocus Pocus can give him a Final Smash
WHAT THE FUCK

nani

I still think the insta kill is a bit much but not even remotely because of

I think you can, just press one of the d pad buttons before the win screen

unless you can train yourself to read through your peripheral vision probably not

>tfw have already committed the great mistake of instantly selective Kamikaze.
It didn't feel good.

Whoa nice, I never knew that! I'll need to try it out, I just love the Slimes so much.

he'll need that cause he's garbage. I'm at the upper ends 5.2 and he just can't get in. It's funny watching people desperately go through the menu options. He will be absolutely obliterated by rushdown characters.

>instead of going through the menu I just spam the first option every time to become an RNG god and make people seethe with lucky kills
>mfw Kamikaze
Oh well. It comes with the territory. I must become the RNG god. Getting that down-special out on frame 1 and luckily having it lead to a stylish kill; no other feeling can compare.

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I know he won't see much high level competitive play but I wanna see somebody pick him up just for the hype as shit kamazazie moments.

>When you haven't played a single DQ game and don't know which alt to pick.

All they need to do is color code the spells and we'd be good

Freeze is light blue
Kamikaze is black or flashing

His classic mode is fucking garbage what they fuck were they thinking
Should have made it a boss rush or something.

Maybe first option of the menu will always tell you what the other spell options will be that way you only have to scan for the top spell and muscle memory pick the option spell you need.

No, user. You must spam out the first option as fast as you can. Don't even read the spells. Let the RNG guide you. Make your opponents seethe.

3-alt is best

I will either do 11 or 8.

Who the fuck thought he was broken? His frame data always looked like shit and magic being random sealed his fate.

>he doesnt exclusively play as Erdrick and Solo
Pathetic.

It was day 0 and we saw gameplay of him. Just like any other DLC character added to any game, people will call them overpowered at first just because they arent familiar with them. Typical sheep shit.

It's only that her up B connects better and that Toad catches a little easier on reverse hits. Nice, but nothing that really changes how she plays. Toad's a hair safer I guess but it's always been a volatile counter, never really know what the interaction is gonna be with it.

>Opponent Kamikazes on his last stock

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twitter.com/Equinox_Smash/status/1156381023376171011

>While Arsene is summoned, projectiles that deal 50% or more damage cannot be reflected.
wait...
so what projectiles do this include?

Stronk boi

gohans finally in smash guys
Hes even got the Z sword!

Hero

Reflecting a reflected projectile.

Most people that never played Dragon Quest usually know the DQ8 version, while the new fans mainly know the DQ11 version.

probably buffed projectiles that have been reflected multiple times between two reflectors

yeah, there isnt a projectile in the game that deals base 50% is there?

Im not sure the cap on bucket is.

I'm not fond of any of them but the turquoise one is the closest to one that I care about.

>FPBP

based

Short of buffed jank, no. Hero probably could do it with a fully charged fireball and Psyche Up seeing as it does about 37% at base.

thoughts?

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>Little Mac jumps up a few tiers because he's the ultimate counter to them

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>turn huge
>hurtbox is now massive

A nerf so insignificant it means jackshit in every matchup except Mewtwo's on occasion

I like him a lot but I don't see him being very good. That frame data is dreadful, nothing follows up, his uair has like not hitbox from what I can tell

Everything fucking kills though, most notably kafrizzle. For something that has half the charge time as Samus's charge beam and comes out fairly fast, being able to kill at 100~ is pretty damn great

It's you who's out, OP. OUT OF YOUR CLOSET.

What's his go to kill move? Everything has so much startup. Dash kills decently early but it's got so much startup

wait is the spell menu random everytime?
this nigga booty juice

Up throw up air is good

So when are they going to fit all of Fire Emblem into one character like they did with DQ Hero? It would fix the roster clutter significantly.

Are any of his non-specials as good as his utilt? Can't follow it up but it's a nice hitbox, I can see him doing okay with platform pressure and ledge guards with just that move.

Everything. It all fucking kills. Maybe not so much jabs and throws but like 60% of his moveset just fucking kills.

One can dream.

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Hocus pocus for me has been more bad than good so far. I put myself to sleep, got a flower on my head.....however I did hear it can turn you invisible, too

Bayo vs Hero is probably one of the most fun matchups.

Lol fought a guy in Elite that killed himself doing that

Only 4.

Is Zoom as bad as I think it is? Even if you manage to get it, always returning to the center of the stage just sets you up to get smacked soon as you land

>Hero ditto
>we're both close in percent but I'm lower
>I run towards him and dash attack
>YOLO hatchet man kills me
I like Hero. Also, Fully charged Side B has armor so just stay away.

After playing his classic mode, he seems decently fun. I dunno if he's my cup of tea but I'm willing to give him some more time to see if it sticks or not.

I dunno, I'm not an RPG guy, only real exceptions as far as traditional ones go at least are Chrono Trigger and Persona 4/5, so unlike with Joker I don't have any real attachment to this new character. Stage is pretty meh in my opinion and the music is, I mean it's not bad but it doesn't feel like the kinda bombastic shit I want to be fighting to if that makes sense. I can see why it'd work for a turn based RPG but not in a fighting game. At least he got more songs than fucking Cloud did.

Also is it just me or was there slowdown whenever you got a KO? Not like the normal stuff though.

>playing tourney mode
>all hero players camping and casting spells

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I was fighting on Battlefield and the Hero Zoomed to either side of the stage

Glass

>Can get an invincibility star power up from Hocus Pocus

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To the people worried about Heal, it seems to be limited to 2 uses per stock

the 50 MP is a huge drawback

Is Hero mana management as brutal as I assumed it would be? Or is it just the menu scrolling that sucks ass?

It's a neutral reset, so it can be really good.

I know he is garbage overall but the instakill move Is actually way too good

I never ran out of mana while playing but every Hero I fought died offstage without MP

>girl Marth
Marth is already a girl. That's boy Marth,

anyone have a gauge on the numbers yet?

H
E
R
O
YOU'RE MY HERO!

Nope, just a nuisance. His frame data doesnt look all that impressive.

Zoner

>his fully charged side B has armor
It also fucking spikes if you're above him.

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I can't play tourney mode right now, I am visiting my parents and am getting the message about my connection not being good enough
Thankfully arenas ignore that check.

not really viable for recovery, especially factoring in woosh isn't that cheap and works really well.

it's good for a quick "get the fuck out of here" when someone is rushing you down.

His instant kills are a bit underwhelming simply because he kills so early regardless, and half his moveset is a kill move. By the time you'd luck into one of those working you can kill with just about anything else as well

TELL ME Hero dittos HAVE to play cat and mouse with going metal.

Hero ain't broken has some good things and some bad like most characters. Unless people find some shit to exploit

only if you're a scrub as you can get 50MP easily by just landing 4-5 solid hits.

He's nowhere near garbage, just balanced really well. He has a lot of drawbacks, but also an equal amount of stupidly OP bullshit.

He would be so much better if the initial down B stored whichever spell you selected, and a second was used to cast it

only if you are having trouble getting hits in and blowing through it like it's candy. So far I have only died once because no mana over the side out of several matches, It builds back up a lot faster than I thought it would, but at the same time some abilities cost way more than I expected, Kafrizzle is half your entire bar but god damn is it tasty.

There's a pirate with a small mouse in his pocket, how is this a question for you?

>picking hero
>using no menu moves the entire fight
Hero is great for mindgames

I have no fun playing this character, whenever they start adding gmiick stuff with like mana or some stupid menus I lose interest.

This seems like a good idea. I can never land any of his sword spells.

I didn't watch the direct and just jumped in blindly to play a little bit ago and it took me until the fucking second to last fight to realize why all my down-b's weren't doing anything because of this but then I killed the final boss with a Whack and that was pretty sweet

kaclang is worthless, your opponent will just charge a smash and get you as soon as it ends.

>Hero's reflect reflects Kamikaze

The merperson looking one is the obvious choice.

ridley still fucking sucks
fuck this game in staying with melee

>tfw I forget to use Down B until the other Hero does it

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I love gimmicky shit, but then again my main's been Pac since 4 and Inkling is a secondary in this game so I've got a bias.

Based Ridley meleebro.

>Chrono Trigger and Persona 4/5
>traditional ones

Just like they do with peach and daisy?

No user, you suck. You're also playing online which is retarded. Get some friends or start going to local tournaments. You don't even have to compete, you can just play casual matches. Help people warm up.

do we know yet whether final stock Kamikaze will go to Hero or the other player? I used it against a CPU but forgot to pay attention to who lost their stock first.

NEW ARENA FUCKERS
ID: KPMJ5
Password: 1111
Items: None
Stages: Whatever the fuck you want
4 Player FFA

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I did it and I lost. You explode before they even get launched.

I just mean what people actually think of when they hear RPG and not weird bullshit like Stick of Truth or Shut up and Jam Gaiden

He's fucking busted. I love this nigga.

The player not using kamikaze

do you know how filenames work newfag

I don't know if thwack is overpowered, especially since he kills at such low percentages anyway but it's not fun to get hit by it.

Smush isn't a very combo heavy game anyways

>using fast up b out of shield

That said faster characters are still dominate. Hero is pretty slow it feels.

So based on all this info, what tier would you personally put Hero in?
I’d say mid tier. Has extremely powerful spells in his down b and the random crit thing is downright broken, but the MP meter being used for your regular specials too alongside picking random spells with down b being too sluggish holds him back a lot

I'm talking about the gif, not the poster. Autistic sperglords such as yourself seem to gravitate towards it.

Thwack has a bigger chance to succeed because it's melee range only. Wack has a very small chance, even into 100%, it won't kill 1/4th the time.

snooze-->smash crit feels like the most unfair way to lose a match i've ever experienced

why would I play this garbage offline when I could be playing melee or 3s or guilty gear or smash 64
you can't fucking DO anything in this game

it's surprisingly easy to catch people with hatchetman.

>trying to place him in a tier when he was released less than 3 hours ago
Tierfags should be hanged

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Hero is not garbage, just RNG based.

>Is your opponent at high % and near you/outside stage?. Did you get Magic Burst with Down B? Use it for guaranteed kill
>Your opponent doesn't let you choose menu? Just keep using Neutral B and Side B to get him off and make use of the hitstun to use Down B.

When people adapt and learn to use the menu faster, hero will be at least top tier.

Wait there are two insta kill spells?

Fitting for a character who gambles in-game.

Yes and Wack is a slow moving projectile.

normalfags: 11
boomers or hipsters: 3
"that guy": 4
chads: 8

Hero final explosion is very dangerous.

>fast up b is a good oos option

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he's at the top of usuable cheese tier with bowser and ganon

I miss you plant poster.

So what are the odds of Master Chief getting into Smash?

Fair enough. Can you provide me with a noose first?

I play 3 and 4. Fuck you.

nigga what? his tilts don't kill, bair is his only aerial that kills, his throws don't kill... are you high

>I’m shit at the game and that’s not fair
Made me think

You deserve a crit if you get hit by snooze.

>his tilts dont kill
Sweet, innocent user

Ridley fucking SUCKS
you can't fucking KILL anyone with this piece of shit

My boys Dark Pit AND Pac-man got buffed
nothing can stop this high and i'll ride it until Banjo gets released too
Is Hero any good?

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Magic Burst is the strongest most bullshit move between ALL the spells, the draw back isn't even that bad if you HIT IT.
>Can't be dodged with air dodge
>Guaranteed Edgeguard
>IT FUCKING KILLS AT BELOW 100%
>IT COVERS THE WHOLE FUCKING STAGE

He's still a great character without down B. He shits damage, has a solid combo throw that gives good low % reward and works up until mid, he can edgeguard well and mixup his recovery, and while charging neutral B is a bit more risky than say, charge shot since it works like Robin's, it is an absolute monster. This is ignoring crits and the fact that his fsmash is basically Chrom's. Not the quickest jab, but utilt is amazing, dtilt pokes, fair is a great disjoint, bair kills, you can uair string people a la squirtle... He's good.

bet i could beat you

Imagine being this bad at a game made for children

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I'm playing him right now, his B Spells charge a bit too quick. Makes it hard to use the mid version when it's so easy to go straight to the end of his charge. His Down B leaves him wide open even if the spells are broken. He also loses MP faster than people realize. He'll definitely be high or top tier but he's by no means Smash 4 Bayonetta.

The servers back up yet?

It'll take a long time for people to figure it out, if at all. There's a lot of jank he can pull off but it's a matter if players can manage all that while in the middle of a fight.

This character is a blast to play, but will take a ton of time to really master. How are you all enjoying them?

We got a lot of spots open. Also that Whack was dirty

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you recover like 10-15 MP with ONE HIT, that's fucking alot, you have to spam moves like a retard if you have 0 MP, and that's even if you opponent lets you.

my only complaint is no air dodge after swooshing, you're already spending MP on this shit least they could do is not leave you dangling in the air slowly and easy to hit.

>Cope
Get snoozed

Considering Sakurai recognizing that Dragon Quest POPULARIZED the RPG genre, and he considers it ICONIC. I think we know who he picked.

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the amount of MP you get back is based on the move. Jabs give like 3 each, F-tilit is 5 with each hit, smashes give about 18. All in all its fairly balanced for that, but Hero has a wild disadvantadge state where if he burns the mana he's at your mercy unless he can start hitting back with half his kit locked.

Also if you push the fucker off stage and just keep pushing he doesn't have the mana to get back. He's triple decker fucked by edgeguarding.

Eshop loaded for me, so yes.

Low to mid %s you can dthrow fair a la MM. At 0 on certain characters you can dthrow dash usmash and then even frametrap fatties with utilt. You can dthrow charge shot at basically 0. All of those can give you 40+%. He does fine off of throws, and bthrow near edge into charge shot is legit threatening for a lot of characters to deal with as they are forced to burn a jump or airdodge at mid %s to not just get deleted.

He also doesn't really struggle with the combo game that much either. At lower %s you can late nair into grab and further on you can nair into fair, chain fairs, and you can chain uairs at sort of low-mid %s. He does fine and can actually edgeguard alright as well.

Please buff him. Please Sakurai.

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I just saw players getting rekt by Twack.

>hero will be at least top tier.
lmao

You realize that he doesn't have to approach you, right? Unlike just about every other character in the game, Hero literally has no reason to approach. If you're constantly low or out of mana you're playing him poorly anyways, as his swordplay isn't terrible and his recovery can be mixed up enough he shouldn't need to use it consecutively unless he really screws up. The MP regen is generous considering the power of spells/buffs.

hope you like recovering high

very high

Oh fuck they did! Patch notes say they increased up b's attack speed. Please tell me that means better frame data.

They did.

Maybe on like, BF. Speaking of stages, his stage seems like it should be legal. Thank fuck. I hope it is.

How's tourney mode?

>Getting my ass kicked by Joker.
>Luck out with move that instakills to even the match.
>Luck out with random bullshit spell that makes me giant and essential OHKOs Joker seconds before the time ends.
>He disconnects.
This dude is going to make for some hilariously bullshit power plays.

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Air attacks gives 10-15 MP, and that's what you should use the most to be honest.
Also he has a "free" safe move, Zoom, which he can try to get at least once outside the stage.
He's not about the combo game, he's about dealing damage and then start to kill with his kill options.

What can you do if hero just wait until he's near you? Is like Zelda F smash.

this game is fucking terrible
what's the point of even having platforms when you can't fucking MOVE

>Heal can only be used twice per stock
Wait can anyone confirm? Is this true?

Pretty much. There's no reason not to go for zoom before you burn your double jump. One try doesn't hurt.

>side smash kills at 40%
This is horseshit.
Time to git gud at parrying

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What?

It's shit
It's FFA 2:30Minutes with Items
At least I cucked a Herofag

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>Make Chrom and Lucina costumes for Marth
>Keep everyone else
That would be enough for me desu. Corrin sucks as a character but his moveset is fine, and I like that they differentiated Roy.

melee is better than this bullshit

Get better.
Tierlist shit doesn't matter unless you're playing at a competitive level anyway

It's FFA? God damn it. I don't mind items and the time limit but fuck FFA outside of goofing off with friends. Guess I'll wait until 1 on 1 rules happen.

Melee is old and outdated, let it go.

You're just more used to a different flavor of clunkiness.

This.
All things considered, this Smash game is EXTREMELY well-balanced for general play. You can even make characters like Little Mac and Bowser Jr work most of the time because most people don't have hyper-autistic reflexes.

Holy shit, Pac got buffed? How?

twitter.com/pmpr_cos/status/1156387551525011458?s=19

kek

lots of spots left

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Weak attacks won’t make you drop fruits

kys zoomer
I'm used to being able to control my fucking character
64 and melee are the only good smash games

>Will no longer drop the Bonus Fruit while charging the neutral special even if flipped left or right with attacks like Mario’s side special.

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I want to know
WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT OF METAL SLASH?
It's literally only useful if you have items and someone gets a 1/100 item and decides to use it when Hero's on the field or another Hero is foolish enough to use Kaclang. This will NEVER be useful!

64 has far worse movement, the worst in the series. I still have the cart and played it for shits and giggles again recently. Melee is debatable, but Ultimate is fine when you get used to it. Brawl and Wii U are the fucked up ones that feel like you're tethered to a ball and chain all the time.

Where the fuck are the patch note you niggers

you can actually fucking kill people and fuck them up for being retarded in 64 and melee
that's the big difference and why nu smash sucks dicks

lrn2google you faggot

>side smashes u
>u die
>b neutrals u
>u die
>side b u
>u die
>b down lotto's u
>u die
god I love this character

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>hero ditto fight
>enemy is some casual spammer
>probably likes girls, gross
>they use Kaclang
> o boy you fucked up
>spunk all over my palutena body pillow when I metal slash them
Need I say more?

seems like it would be really useful in world of light.
kaclang is absolutely pointless. It's a cool move in DQ which is turn based, but in smash it just means you get punished as soon as the spell ends.

google it you fucking peabrained retard

Bitchin, now I can't wait to get home and kick Hero ass.

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So I just finished Classic Mode with Hero with an 8.1, that was fun. I can't begin to describe how fuckin satisfying a well-timed crit is. Or just smashin down B hopin you get somethin good. Watchin him in tournaments is gonna be hilarious.

Still, there are weaknesses. Hero is combo food, he's slow as FUCK in the air and only not that fast on the ground. There's a shit ton of cooldown on his smash attacks, too, and his up smash goes straight up, even if you're pressed right against him it won't hit you. Apparently his Magic Burst can be neutralized with a projectile, can anyone else confirm that? My main's Yoshi so I have a feelin it'd be a good matchup to slap him around in the air.

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Whack/Thwack work way more often than you think in the games. Especially against a lot of the dragon types. They traditionally get hit by the insta-death spells really easy.

>throw out a Snooze to people trying to recover back to the stage
>everyone I've fought gets hit by it so far
I know it's super easy to avoid but it's satisfying seeing people plummet to their deaths because they're asleep.

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Funny you say that because I managed to KO my nephew with it on my first try

not even giving my (you), seething rude mutt

Wait Snooze hits in the air?

>hero kamikazes with one stock left

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That was only bad in Brawl, there was almost no hitstun. Ultimate, you just have to work a little harder and use your brain more to keep goin.

>hero still has a hurtbox as his recovery starts
>you can spike him through his recovery.

Also fuck, learn how to parry the nair and bair. It's the only move I see in quickplay.

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Yes.

Got 9.9 on Hero's Classic First Try. Charizard at the end didn't do much

Now that's just unnecessary.

Any Game and Watch players know how bucket handles Hero's various spells?

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>plantfag was actually a seething Sorafag in disguise
You can't make this shit up.

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>hit marth with snooze in air
>while asleep he zigzags all over then wakes right up
did i do something wrong?

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It's a fun move.

So are these the mad hoes?

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Holy shit Isabelle is so much better now. i'd say she's escaped Bottom tier, maybe even escaped Bottom 10.

>Who Marth
>not Marthew Mercer

Yeah, it was still fun to spike Charizard, though.

JUST GIVE LITTLE MAC SOME FUCKING AERIALS! PLEASE!
I'M TIRED OF HIM HAVING LITERALLY HALF THE OPTIONS AS THE REST OF THE CAST! HIS GRAB IS ASS, SO AT LEAST GIVE HIM AN AERIAL!

3 spots left

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God damnit, I don't see the DQ theme song, does the game not have it?

>Yoshi side smash
>Reduced the range opponents will be pushed while charging.

What exactly does this mean? knockback when it hits or what?

Who is this "Hoes" and why are they mad?

is kaclang basically a taunt? shit is useless

you got lucky, he is so fucking huge he got a lucky hit and murdered me in one smack.

I feel like he would get destroyed by rushdown characters who don't give him any opportunity to go through his menus. Probably a high tier character, but not broken.

you cannot do fucking anything in this garbage heap without a hard read
everything is safe and you can't fucking put moves where you want and the gutted movement rapes you on defense

>Ordered copy of Smash this morning with Same-Day shipping
>Fuckers just decided not to deliver it even after they notified me it was out for delivery
Better fucking deliver it in the morning tomorrow.

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>People debated if Hero should be banned
>Can literally pull a Star out of his ass, among several other bootleg items
Yeah, this mother fucker is ban worth, if not the single best character in the game.

Its literally worse than Kamikazee and thats saying something.

It's like Kirby's stone ability, you just wait for em to come out and WHAM! It seems better for 1P stuff or World of Light, so yeah, useless. I like how his down special's basically another taunt, that stupid thinkin pose he has.

Probably used for Sudden Deaths, doubles, item matches, or timing out shit like Cloud's limit. It's very situational.

can Kirby just Hero neutral B freely?

Those doujins are so fucking good

In 1v1. In a 2v2 or especially FFA it forces one person to waste time bouncing an attack off you without doing anything, leaving him open for the other players.
Unless they're also hero, them they try for metal slash.

Hoes=anyone who didn't want Hero
Mad=them after E3

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kill yourself

Go and take a shower, user.

Hocus Pocus is LITERALLY the best move in the game

I’m guessing Banjo will have eggs and feathers drop on the stage and you have to collect them to use moves.

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holy shit

Got some sauce? It got a hell of a lot harder to find stuff recently.

sauce

No

Would unironically ruin the character

>Use HocPus
>Get final smash
>Win

Yeah, it's pretty nice.

What the FUCK just happened to that dude off stage?

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It actually has a really good use of guarding final smashes.

Wait but who would genuinely get mad over a video game?

based

RNG within RNG
Truly, the Chad move
>tfw only getting random spells instead of the star or mushroom effect

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How are you supposed to hit anyone with down B moves? Between having to stop moving, and having to take your eye off the action, people have to be idiots to get hit by your moves. Melee attacks would require the opponent to literally walk up to you to get hit, and projectile attacks can't be thrown out fast enough for them to not see it coming and either move out of the way or shield.

>use HocusPocus offstage
>get Kaclang

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You'd be surprised.

>tfw praying to RNGesus and choosing the first option everytime

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THIS GAME IS SUCH A FUCKING JOKE DUDE
GET TIMED OUT BY A FUCKING DAISY PLAYING ON THE LOWEST TIME LIMIT BECAUSE GANON CAN LITERALLY NOT CATCH HER
FUCK THIS SHITTY GAME I'M GOING BACK TO FIGHTING GAMES

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Take a good look at where you are, pal

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We'd never see it in competetive play since it way too risky to use, but it'd be based if it was GFs and a Hero player uses Hocus Pocus

A very light hyperbole but basically true. People are going to cast your opinion aside, though.

The center of all characters "push you away" in Ultimate, which is why you can't run through them. It makes certain characters, like Bowser, actually very tough to grab and is a big reason why shieldgrabbing attacks often whiffs. Yoshi retained his push away while charging fsmash but his hurtbox retracted in the windup. It made it much more difficult to punish than it should have been.

Lol

ok bye

>Wait but who would genuinely get mad over a video game?

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This lag is killing all the fun. Don't know how so many people are even able to function with it.

>How are you supposed to hit anyone with down B moves?
Being good at zoning and having a good reaction time.
It’s also sometimes have forcing your opponent into certain situations. Like using Snooze and then following it up with an air attack.

Eventually you will become a Sage.

At least it's fairly rare and can fuck them up. It's stupid as fuck but the impact of it in bracket will thankfully be minimal. Things like whack, snooze, and heal will impact more frequently.

You can dthrow dash usmash jiggs and kill with a crit from 0%

>Wait but who would genuinely get mad over a video game?

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP

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Get refunded for false advertising.

Is Kaclang the worst move in the game? Why would you ever use that?

Most of the actual usage of down B will be
>hit person away
>quickly go for buff/heal
The attacks aren't really worth trying to bank on in the same way. Maybe if they are recovering, shield break, etc. Which, by the way, crits do pretty good shield damage.

It seems like all the dlc will have gimmicks.

so is any part of the down-B menu context sensitive?

HE IS FUCKING OP AS FUCK

>Wait but who would genuinely get mad over a video game?
AND THE SHOT HEARD ROUND THE WOORLD

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Name one character who isn't derived from an existing one added in 4 or Ultimate without any sort of gimmick.

It's just people joking. It's like those people who sometimes consider fapping to vidya/cartoons. Nobody does it for real

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It's pretty much going to be a doubles thing. It does do some nice damage if you fall on someone though, so if you are getting juggled, you can use it to get back to the ground and they can't do shit about it. But good luck actually having it and selecting it before being hit again.

>actually win a game
>next round waste a life on a kamikaze as soon as I respawn because I'm a brainlet
>either way spend most of my matches with basically no MP because I'm a brainlet

shit's fun tho

didn't think of that, that's actually a pretty great idea. next time that little bitch lucas tries to pull out starstorm I'll just go for the command menu.

Not only that but the 2:30 time limit is so short that nearly every match ends in sudden death. I doubt other rulesets are going to be much better.

Heal doesnt seem worth it at all. Its only 11 percent on the off chance that you roll it.

Ultimately the menu mechanic is going to test your quick reflexes and you're just going to have to choose the best option for the situation.

>fully charged side B not only has fucking super armor, but kills at around 55-60% at the earliest
Who thought this was okay

They did and it's fucking awesome.

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Bro...

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It's the rarest spell in the game. I got it maybe once every fifteen rolls. It's not viable to rely on it or try to camp for it.

>Wait but who would genuinely get mad over a video game?

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Why do I only hear pic related out of DQ8 Hero?

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Ridley. Piranha Plant. Simon.

The same people that thought it was ok for a fully charged B to kill at 50%, or for Kaswoosh to send you in the opposite direction the Hero is facing. Or for Kaboom to kill at 50%

THIS IS THE MOST FUCKING BROKEN OP CHARACTER IN FIGHTING GAME HISTORY HOLY SHIT HOW THE FUCK DID THIS MAKE IT PAST Q/A YOU SLANTY EYED GOOKS?

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11% after sending someone off is well-worth it. Adding a nice 22-33% a stock if you are lucky is a fucking lot of healing. Thankfully, healing doesn't cycle through too often. In my testing earlier, it took about 7~ rolls to come up. The spells seem weighted in appearance, with Hocus Pocus being the most rare.

The fully charged one isn't very good. It gives people a lot of time to get into position and do something about. Level 2 is amazing though, as you can get there quickly and it has great range and does 23%. Ridiculous. Neutral B is by far the best spell.

Because he's Yuki Kaji, his VA. Congrats.

but he's not?

tips for Joker? the new guy is cool but I like the P5 nerd

>someone is recovering
>jump out to threaten so they go low
>recover first, leaving in your wake tornadoes that can easily stagespike

Hocus Pocus can get FS? Holy shit we can actually potentially see an FS in tournaments now, Sakurai finally did it the madman

Nope, looks like we got trailer exclusive music again just like with Cloud's trailer. DQIII's overworld theme also got MIDI'd between trailer and game.

So how many times have you been insta KO'd so far?

For some reason I keep getting into matches with 5mil+ sweathards that play defensively. Also his spells are spammable

He’s not the most broken character in all of fighting games. M.U.G.E.N exists.
But hero is more definitely the most broken character in ultimate so far. He’s on the levels of Brawl Metaknight and early Bayonetta in Sm4sh.

It's amazing if you know you can send it out. Like against Ganon's leg drop, or other moves with big wind up. It's going to defend against Flare Blitz, since that would eat Kafrizz.

Yes, it can give any buff, debuff and use any spell and also backfire and destroy your mana pool like magic burst, but give nothing. Since Victini is a buff, it can be cast and give FS.

wouldn't tourneys just ban the character? I thought they were all against this type of heavy RNG shit

>he hasnt seen Chuck Norris or Dark Donald
>or Iori Yagami

>The Hero actually gets banned solely because if this

>He’s on the levels of Brawl Metaknight and early Bayonetta in Sm4sh.
can you explain why? the RNG menu thing doesn't seem reliable to make it meta. meta is based on consinstency

>combo food
>same tier as brawl mk and sm4sh bayo

but he's not?

They seriously shouldn't care, since it has a huge chance of killing the user too. The problem with items was always the fact that they couldn't control the spawning. It's not like they give a shit about Peach pulling Saturns or Bombs. So what if every so often Hocus Pocus gives you a Star or Mushroom? It could just as well take away all of your MP or make you tiny.

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Hero is fun.

Shield->fsmash is better than eating the damage vs charizard's flare blitz. It's terrible on that. I see your point on Ganon utilt, but how many moves are like that? Hmm... Maybe I should experiment with doing it through people's recoveries.

Either way, I think it's more niche than you're saying. The reward is great, but it has pretty good risk compared to a lot of his other kit which is already absolutely nuts. I think he will have a few shaky MUs (Olimar to me seems like a pretty good anti-Hero) but all around super strong.

hero is fun but i wish i was good at the game and didn't have lifelong rage problems

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Ignore the retard. If anything, he's much closer to Cloud in 4 and even that is a weird comparison. He doesn't nearly have the neutral domination that Bayo/MK has, nor does he shut down movesets by hitting a button. He just shits damage, kills early, and has a bit of everything.

GUYS I'M PRETTY SURE YOU CAN GET A MUSHROOM POWERUP FROM HOCUS POCUS WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS CHARACTER

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after this match i'm going to close the arena. It's getting late. It's been fun guys.

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You can, I got it when I first used it. You can get a final smash and invincibility from it too. But I think it can also just flat out kill you.

level 3

Yeah, Olimar is a problem for him. Getting pikmin latched on means he can't open menu and that sucks, since Bounce otherwise shuts him down completely. So it really depends on if Hero can get his buffs up before Olimar gets started.

ggs

Yes, any buff, any debuff and it can completely drain your MP or HP and it can cast any of Hero's spells.

Did you guys test this in Training or in a real match with items off? Wondering if that makes a difference.

>Wait but who would genuinely get mad over a video game?

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I might be seeing shit but can The start of Hero's ftilt BLOCK damage?

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>a complete RNG character
when will tourneyfags learn that sakurai fucking hates you?

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There were arenas going on? I was just fucking around by myself

>Erdrick

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I was playing against my friends with no items and you can get Mushroom and Shrink. I haven't seen Final Smash or Star power as some peoplea re saying.

Seen it in both. Doesn't matter where it's used, it has access to everything.

It refilled my MP to full at one point.

Yes. They said as much in the video earlier today.

This character feels like i'm playing fucking yugioh i love him

not just the start

>missed the Labo Spirit event
>"Fuck, now I'll have to wait for the next patch"
>patch drops, grab them and the DQ spirits
>missing two spirits
>I fucking missed a Link's Awakening Spirit event
>they won't appear on the Spirit Board

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>But I think it can also just flat out kill you.
like the move just kills your or it casts kamikazee?

they put up with brawl so there's nothing that can deter them barring full blown rng menus

Even with bounce, Olimar can just use aerials/grab and I am guessing pikmin can eat neutral B. Also, it's difficult for him to pressure Olimar offstage unlike a bunch of other characters. Bounce is probably more novelty or if they are actually just running and camping. I noticed a few attacks are harder to land on Olimar, such as reverse hit of utilt whiffs olimar standing point blank against Hero.

You can also just get a free stock a la the flags.

>HES OUT
of time

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i feel you man

I didn't see any arenas being made so I made on earlier this thread. People cycled through but it never got full. It was fun either way. MIght make more tomorrow

Shit, which means it also has a chance of fully healing you. I can't imagine the fucking salt that would cause.

>Hero at 200%
>Last ditch casts HocPos
>Fully healed
>Crits right after and takes the win

Thankfully it's pretty rare to come up. I don't know the actual values, but I was seeing healing at about a 1/7 and hocus at more than that. Maybe 1/10?

Imagine if you were fighting Link/Robin in a 1v1, with items/spirits on.
However, you yourself can not use items, while the Link/Robin can use the items and also has the critical hit spirits. That is essentially what the Hero is.
The Hero can;
>Use a start
>Get his final smash
>Wear a Franklin Badge
>Send out a Smart Bomb
>Use a Freezie
>Consume food
And much, much more.
The only thing he doesn’t have is a way to summon assist trophies/pokemon (although Hocus Pocus can give any buff, including Victini’s and Xerneas’s buffs)
Oh, and there is also the fact that he’s pretty decent without all the items coming out his ass too, and almost no spell is useless (besides Kaclang, Kamikazee, and onstage Zoom, all of which you can just select another spell and you will likely never get all 3 in 1 menu (and if you do, you can just reroll)).

I'm not sure if my connection is good enough to host. Anyone else going to put up an arena?

>You can also just get a free stock a la the flags.
FUCK, that would totally piss them off. I can't imagine just getting a free life like that. I mean, it would probably completely perplex people until they reviewed the footage.

>You can't have items banned if items are part of your mains' moveset.

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FUCK Dark Donald. Fuck em straight to Hell. I’ve never been so shamed in my life losing against one.

>Sakurai found a way to potentially have FS show up in competitive play
Sure it's gonna be extremely rare but it'll be amazing once it does happen.

I never heard of Arusu in my fucking life. Did Sakurai pull it out of his ass? All I ever knew is Roto/Loto and Three.

I know this feeling deeply. I didn't miss the labo but when I logged in today and saw I missed two spirits entirely my autism kicked in hard. Doesn't help that I STILL haven't fucking gotten Hades, that asshole just never shows up on the board.

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>Using bounce to reflect a snooze back at a hero and getting a crit smash right afterwards
>Break shield with buff spell and get crit right afterwards
this is so dirty

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assuming all the RNG is in his favor and you don't close in and punish while he selects a spell

It’s his name in the manga and the encyclopedia. Only been used in Japan though

It's the name of 3 in the drama CD covering the events of the game. Erdrick is only a title that 3 recieves at the end of the game and it's what most people know 1 as because he carries the legacy. The king bestows the title to him as well after beating the Dragonlord.

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None of this shit matters cause it’s random and it takes time to select a spell. If you aren’t in a disadvantage state and not punishing Hero for pulling up the menu every time, you’re a garbage player.

>all this bullshit
Could, but won't. In an actual, competitive match, he's gonna have shit-all time to make any of this work and all his abilities use time in order to give RNG abilities.

Even the final smash thing isn't confirmed, because it's such a low fucking chance that it will never fucking happen. Most of those abilities aren't unique to him.

At best, you have acharacter who can swap out one of his abilities for the abilities of half the cast, which is still powerful but the way it takes time and exports on RNG makes him, at best, a decent swordie.

Hatchet Man breaks shields super easily, I've broken so many peoples shields because they don't expect it to actually do any shield damage.

Has anyone tried the online tournament mode yet? Is it good?

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Nah, I took the original gif from a Soraposter though. Never played a Kingdom Hearts game in my life.

You think that's bad? How about having my menu open when guy is returning to stage, he lands behind me because he doesn't know I can turn around while casting. Cast hatchetman, he shields, it breaks it.

Has there ever been a banned smash character before?

Hah....right.......haha......imagine......

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if you like FFAs and sudden death then its good

>online tournament comeback
>its worse than smash 4
>only one fucking tournament at a time with rules set by nintendo
Why is nintendo so dumb? I don't want to play your pork city stage with item on.

>he’s pretty decent without all the items coming out his ass too

Lmao

You can parry the sword slash after the lightning strikes.

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I actually had a moment just recently where kamikaze was clutch to the win and doggone it I took it.

It also does 74 fucking damage. It has a massive hitbox, and stops time when it goes off. It's a pretty damn good move when you're ahead or high damage percent vs. a fresh spawn which comes up alot, close to being as useful as Ganoncide.

meta knight in brawl
the fact that bayo wasn't in 4 is inexcusable on that note

Can you shield it?

neutral B is fucking broken. It is more powerful than Clouds Limit break

I think people forget what the description of the move was and think it's like fucking Thwack. It's a guaranteed crit and those do like 1.8x normal damage. I don't think there is any moment to realize they fucked up either, unlike with DDD's full hammer charge. It just insta breaks it. The shield damage on it seems pretty insane.

You can throw out any disjointed hit box and stop it

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I've been using a page to know which region has the cheapest games on the eshop and change to that in order to save some money. but for some reason it doesn't have the fighter's pass.
Do you guys happen to know where the fighter's pass is the cheapest?

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The Spirit Board prioritizes spirits you don't have a copy of, so if you have one of everything else, he'll show up eventually.

People were saying that you could, but it didn't look like it from what I was watching on this live stream. It solidly kills a 100% even if it hits the very edge of it's hit box and it covers 3/4 of a training mode box, so it's got a lot of fucking range. If you want to cover a recovery, Kamikaze is your man.

Oh, you mean Side-B: The Character?

>Whack kill at 0%
God man, I can already feel the tournament salt from here.

Mexico

turn based RPG character: do your spell from a distance then attack with powerful moves, rinse and repeat.

Do you think they make DLC fighters OP as an incentive to buy them?

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>Get Thwacked 3 games in a row
Real fucking fun

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What I thought that could only kill if you are over 100%

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Pretty sure it starts at like 1% and scales linearly by %. ENJOY

Memes aside, this is genuinely not okay.

No man, Whack and Thwack can kill at any percent, it's just more likely the higher you go. Whack also has a lower chance, because it's a projectile. So it was like a .1% chance of happening.

Sakurai literally said "fuck you" with this fighter. That is some bullshit.

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>use all board refreshes
>nothing

Please let this happen at a tournament I wanna see tournyfags SEETHE.

So can we finally get to a character that actually matters and get Banjo in less than 4 months now?

Already found mine.

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What the fuck.

Yes

Why is this so different then a G&W 9

The Chad Monster Master
He’s such a chad a dragon is on his dick
The dragon quests for him

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people will learn to dodge that but it's still unbelievably stupid for it to instakill that early

9 won't kill at 0% for heavy weights.

How fast is up b compared to before? I always hated how slow that shit went off.

Because a 9 at 0% probably won't kill you from center stage. This does, though it is a slow moving projectile and the chance of it happening is even less then a 9 could ever be, but still. Thwack is even worse actually, apparently it's chance is alot higher then Whack, so even 30% damage makes it's chance a lot higher then it maybe should be.

I got into Elite Smash with him after about 20 minutes of playtime (it's a garbage system I know) but I'll let you guys know my thoughts.

>Despite the RNG nature of menu, you're almost always guaranteed to make use of any list of 4 you're given due to how fucking strong his menu spells are
>His damage and knockback is pretty damn strong
>MP management isnt a huge issue, hes basically "Link but better" without casting spells
>Downthrow into uptilt is really damn strong at low %s
>Insane range with the sword and projectiles
>Fully charged sideb kills so early and is fuckhuge
>Normal upb is a really strong out of shield option that puts you opponent in a really disadvantageous position
>He can recover from pretty much anywhere with the 2nd tier of upb, and from the depths of hell at 100mph with a fully charged upb, your best bet is to 2 frame him but even that doesnt work well because hell just shark you with his sword
>Combine this godly recovery with his insane range with the sword and a projectile and a huge hitbox of a sideb that kills at like 40%, he can edgeguard from pretty much anywhere he wants
>Random crits lol

This guy is fucking ridiculous and I wouldn't be surprised if theres a push to get him banned later down the road. He's really fucking scary

gonna check it out
thanks user, here have but

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Not that much faster, but it will make a difference. It charges faster and flies faster, which will help with using it as a kill move as well.

Maybe because a G&W 9 wont kill at 0% you fucking absolute retard?

Behold, every hero combo video song
youtube.com/watch?v=l4HXQ8qVu0U

9 won't kill any 0 for any weight.
9 also have shit range and lots of lag, and a fun plethora of other options, along with a chance of being a shitt 1.
The BIG difference is that 9 is still a launch, and is dependent on everything that that entails (damage, weight, directional input, stage position, etc.) While thwack doesn't have to take any of those into account.
Also the chances of you getting a 9 can not be increased by anything you do.

Cute feet

and yet the odds of a G&W landing a 9 is infinitely higher then a Hero landing Whack or Thawck you fucking spazzatron?

It seems that some down b moves are more likely in some situations. I got a lot more zoom when I was offstage, and I got heal 3 times in a row when my opponent was dead/on the revival platform. Heal seems to be for healing between stocks.

Honestly MP management has not been an issue for me AT ALL yet because you build MP so easily from battling.

Nigga, the Hero’s RNG is almost ALWAYS going to be in his favor.
This shit in your simple Green Missile, where you’re fucked without a miss fire. This is no Judge where you can get a 1 and need to be 2 pixels on your opponent.
There are like 3 spells that are not worth it most of the time (You can at least get KOs on stock leads or recover where you normally can’t).
>B-but what if bad spell shows up in the menu
Then the player won’t fucking use it you dumbass.
>B-but you have to hope he gets the right spell
You can say that about items too, which is fitting since this entire character uses all items.
And who is to say there can’t be multiple spells for every situation and what you want to do? He has so many spells at his hand and all of them provide so many possibilities.
>B-but he has to pick spells
Get Gud faggot. Menuing a skill all good players have. And most of his spells are projectiles or cover a huge area (or even buff him to insane levels)

And just to reiterate,
The hero is what link and robin would be if they could use items just for themselves.

played him in dittos with a friend for a couple hours
might be the most fun ditto matchup in the game

Whelp theres absolutely no reason to play Robin anymore, good riddance

Who gives a fuck? Landing a 9 is basically equivalent to landing a Crit Smash with Hero. Wack/Thwack is literally instant death bullshit and in a completely different league you ABSOLUTE, RETARD

Yeah, it's only going to be an issue for some idiot that wastes it all and then gets juggled. He'll maybe get 8 MP back, enough to Woosh, but not anything else.

Also yeah, Hero's recovery is fucking bonkers. Not only because of how far it sends him, but it allows him to recover from anywhere and if you edge guard with it, you can easily gimp if you can send them into the stage. I've even killed with it off the side and still made it back.

>There are people genuinely defending The Hero right now when shit like this exists because “W-what if his rng bad”

Anyone make good use of bounce yet? Seems HEINOUSLY broken to me

A whack and a Thwack don’t need to be 10 pixels in front of a character, and not getting a Whack or Thwack is still ok since his other spells are broken to shit, where as getting a 1-4 is useless and getting a 5-8 is mediocre.

It really is a Belmont fuck you of a move.

most of spells are shit and his frame data is absolute garbo.

says the FUCKING BRAINDEAD FUCKFACE JUST LETTING HERO STAND THERE AND PICK WHICH FUCKING SPELL HE WANTS

god why are you so bad at video games just kill yourself and all your relatives

it is really good, but as it's random i never get it when i want it

It's fun, but even the CPU seem to realize to stop using any projectiles when you have it up. It really only gimps Megaman's moveset down to a handful of moves though, others have plenty of good stuff to make up for it.

I did one time happen to get a bounce the second that Zelda was building Phantom though and obviously couldn't stop it. Instant KO.

>tfw I cast Snooze on someone trying to get back onto the stage

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hahahhahaha

Got matched up with a Samus online and all I did was I play keep away and opened/closed the menu until Bounce showed up. I got it like 4 times and the Samus literally didn’t know what to do about it, he just ended up SDing because Samus’s gameplan revolves around scaring people with side b/neutral b. Was pretty funny but I felt kinda bad.

>Implying you can stop him
it takes 1 second to choose and select a move, is a fast as fuck.

Belmonts and megaman are completely fucked against a bounce’d Hero

I laughed when idiots told me it wouldn't put people to sleep in the air. Man is this shit horrifying.

That's 60 fucking frames you absolute retard, most moves come out at less then 20.

>”Bro why get hit at all just be literally untouchable”

I could say the same for G&W’s 9 you dumb bitch. You’re a certified cocksmoker.

>Down B is RNG fest

>Not dabbing on Heroes as Ridley
He's just fast enough to beat out their aerials and has a pretty easy time catching their recoveries. Just don't rush at them when the command menu is out like a dope.

and? It still doesnt mean you can stop him, it's like trying to stop a Samus, DK and all the guys who can charge a fucking move with Neutral B, they all take more than 1 seconds and they still do it consistently, why should hero have a problem with selecting a move?

>tfw sonic main
>keep getting bullshit like norfair
thanks sakurai

>Using Judge has risks involved, as not getting a 9 is shit and you can easily miss
>Using Spell selection basically has no risk if you are far away, as nearly every spell has something useful
>Even when getting a 9, it will only kill you a certain percents
>Whack and Thwack just instant murders you if you are unlucky, no matter your weight, percentage, where you are on the stage, and the stage itself (even in the Great Cave Offense)
And as a side note
>Judge, Green Missile, and Turnips don’t have any chance to giving you that rally flag, star invincibility, mushrooms, a final smash, speed monado, revenge, deep breathing, and the only recovery move that prevents you from being gimped ever and can recover from the corner of the biggest stages in multiple uses

>just won my last match with a whack at 0%
so I just used up all my luck, huh?

>Random crits for playing like you normally do
>Random chance to insta-stock
>Random chance to get an Item powerup
>Possible discrepancy for international tourneys since you or your opponent might not be able to read the menu

I could see arguments for a ban, but we'll just have to see how it plays out.

>Snooze is a relatively fast projectile that just deletes anyone offstage and guarantees a (charged) Smash on the ground
>Sing only works while extremely close and on the ground, has been shit for 5 games now

>Possible discrepancy for international tourneys since you or your opponent might not be able to read the menu

Are you actually fucking retarded

lol

not to mention
>Random chance to get Magic Burst, which kills at 80% covers the whole stage and can edgeguard at the low cost of all your mana for one fucking stock of your opponent.

>Samus, DK and all the guys who can charge a fucking move with Neutral B
They can store they're charges you dumb fuck, how often do you see Ganon do warlock punch? DQ hero is just a pub shit stomper like K.Rool was.

>Free Franklin badge is garbage
>Free star is garbage
>Free revenge and deep breathing is garbage
>Free Speed Monado is garbage
>Free final smash is garbage
>Free smart bombs is garbage
>Free rally flags is garbage
Trannies mad that Hero is fucking broken as shit

>rally flag
Don't mind any of the other items but if that's real that's some genuine horseshit.

>Using Hocus Pocus to argue that he’s broken

Lol

>Go to Japan for tourney
>Cant read Japanese, especially not at the speed of a native
>Game is set in Japanese
>Can't see what Opponents options are
>If I'm playing hero, can't tell what my options are
>If we switch to English Language it's the same in reverse

Am I wrong?

Can you guarantee those 100% of the time?

So you ARE retarded. Mmkay

Dude, you are just in denial right now. Hero is fucking broken because he has TOO MANY OPTIONS.
As soon as you are in enough distance HE WILL USE A SPELL, YOU CAN'T STOP HIM.
Hell, he can safely use it Off-stage and there's nothing you can do about it

Just learn Japanese faggot.

>What is pressure

Ever heard of rushdown, kid?

>As soon as you are in enough distance HE WILL USE A SPELL, YOU CAN'T STOP HIM.
And what does that do if they're all melee spells?

Ya gotta tell me why, otherwise it seems your just doubling down on BS.

>fuck around with hero in training
>the random spell gives me invisibility
>takes away the name tag and everything
Man I wish cloaking device was still an item.

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I feel like the biggest problem is how yolo he is. Like you can't really be down a stock because then they'll start relying on risky rng plays and start camping, and you can't be winning too hard or they might get desperate and start yolo until its even. He may not be broken but hes at least upper mid tier of volatility alone.

>Implying Hero will take it like a bitch
>Implying you will always JV4 people and will never get launched or grabbed.
>YOU WILL ALWAYS BE UPCLOSE AT HERO, HE WILL NEVER PUNISH YOU.

>be japanese
>fly overseas to compete in smash tournament
>play my favorite character, arusu, a national icon
>these pigs have the game set to english
>can't read shit
>lose

Sounds like someone is making excuses. Literally just be better. If you give Hero room to start doing his menu bullshit, it is YOUR FAULT.

>be american
>fly overseas to compete in smash tournament
>get lost because only the raws are released
>cant understand anything without subs
>think i can speak japanese because i watch anime
>get mugged by local delinquents who take my switch and tourney invite
>lose

kek

>you need to learn Japanese to use the DQ Hero
seems oddly fitting to be honest with you

Any arenas up?