Is Doom the most Christian game of all time?

Noah's Ark 3D probably is.

>>Heaven is evil in Eternal

I don't think that's confirmed. Isn't it more like "some of the angels are rebelling and teaming up with hell, so you have to fight them, too"?

>Doom was controversial because of its "demonic imagery"

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It relates to the teachings that the Devil and his followers are bad.

Which is canon with the bible.

As far as I know Sonic is the only officially Christian approved vidya
As to why I have no fucking clue

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sounds like you would be happier worshiping idols.

>“It’s our own take on Heaven, and the kind of conflict between good and evil is something that… the Slayer is the ultimate badass and nothing, including Heaven, can stand in his way,” creative director Hugo Martin explained. “As we continue to expand the universe, it’s a fantastic kind of addition.”

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That's not really contradicting what I said. Watch the footage that's been released. It appears that you'll be up against angels that sided with demons, and not the "good angels".

We don't know much about the Heaven stuff, my guess is that the angels aren't rebelling, they're bringing about the apocalypse like they're supposed to, and using the demons to that end.

>Heaven is evil in Eternal
Huh?

>meanwhile in the Bible

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Probably Hayden starts some shit and LARPs as an angel.

They didn't just say fuck humanity, they rebelled and defied against God, which is the absolute worst thing you can do

In any case, 90s Doom is perhaps closer to a Christian game since someone like Sandy Peterson was okay with working on it. nudoom is pretty much a regular scifi shooter

>they rebelled and defied against God,
You got a source on that?

A tie with Ace Combat 4 IMO

>the game is about inflicting violence
>most christian

Makes you wonder why he did that since "supposedly" Satan was at one point one of God's higher ups.
Plus you know, the fact God had to create sin for it to happen.
>Satan created it
Then Satan is just as much of a God as God is if he too can create something as fundamental as human nature

Oh user, don't you know its open to interpretation and that no two answers are correct.
Because frankly God and all that other celestial shit is naturally beyond human comprehension and anyone that says they know the mind of God is lying to you so hard.

>You got a source on that?
Matthew 12:25-27“Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges.

all the angel shit is non-canonical fanfiction, in the old testament at least satan just hangs out in heaven talking to god

>in the old testament at least satan just hangs out in heaven talking to god
He does?
My bible knowledge is rusty, but I always thought the entire bible was made *after* Satan was banished to hell.

Most of what people know of or call Hell comes from Dante's Inferno, which might be histories first self-insert fan fiction as far as I know.

see

based af

>the Slayer is the ultimate badass and nothing, including Heaven, can stand in his way
This has to be some kind of fantasy appeal to teenagers, oh my Lord.

>Thomism
No thanks, Mr. Catholic.

Isn't taking on the legions of hell also that kind of fantasy?

Doom was the best fps released in the 2010's at that time and was the most testosterone fueled game released since the first Gears of War

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You mean every FPS ever?

>OP never played Zoo Race

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>The exorcism of the Gerasene demoniac, frequently known as the Miracle of the (Gadarene) Swine and the exorcism of Legion, is one of the miracles performed by Jesus according to the New Testament.[1] The story shows Jesus exorcising a demon or demons out of a man and into a herd of swine, causing the swine to run down a hill into a lake and drown themselves.

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Yea but at least it sounds reasonable since demons are inherently bad, taking on Heaven cuz "lel he's that unstoppable and cool11!!" is just dumb.

>tf when Heaven can be just as nightmarish as Hell when it wants to

Yes, but Eternal will fuck with that in a bad way

No its Undertale
>Game is about offering compassion even when you yourself don't receive any.

The entirety of the Bible is a giant example of "source: lol dude trust me"

I mean, I understand where you're coming from but I'm gonna wait and see.
Because other anons are saying they're angels that made an alliance with demons, so they're probably falling or whatever.

Dante's Inferno

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>heaven decides it's time for the apocalypse
>doomguy decides to stop it

That's really it

>Yea but at least it sounds reasonable since demons are inherently bad
Not to play devil's advocate but you could probably argue the same for heaven.
Look at all the suffering happening on Earth right now compared to what's happening in heaven.
Yet they insist on sitting up there and fixing none of the problems.
>But they help christians
Yes because helping a very selective group of people (with equally strict rulings) instead of helping all of mankind
Plus you know, I don't see them fixing wars anytime soon or global warming (if you believe in that)

bro just say you think the bible is a load of bull instead of wasting my time lmao

I'd say it's Catechumen, and it's an actually good video game too. Has some of the more badass weapons out of the classic FPSs.

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>Yes because helping a very selective group of people (with equally strict rulings) instead of helping all of mankind
Samefag here, lemme add something to make it more relevant to your point
>Demons are inherently bad
Yet angels/God/whoever helping a selective group of people is any better than demons who attack anyone because "lol sure why not we're already in hell anyway what do we have to lose"

>human actively seeks out and destroys DEMONS of HELL
It's the most christian game ever made.

Space Marines ain't got shit on the Slayer.

It's not though, there are some really good general purpose teachings and allegories and life advice in there. Just all of the fanfic about God and his brethren is almost guaranteed make-belief trash.

Not him but in all honesty would you want brain meltingly awe-inspiring creatures running around?
The presence on an angelic creature, even what amount to angelic pets, are goddamn scary.
There is a reason the first thing they (supposedly) say is "be not afraid", y'know?

Otherwise its just the question of evil.

Nu-Doom Slayer is now an anti-theist. You can't have God and his servants be good.

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Yeah, that says nothing about that. Satan in this context means Adversary "adversary against adversary" while beelzebub is not one of the angels.

I understand what you're saying, but would it not just work like seeing the same scary movie on repeat?
What scares you at first isn't as bad on your 10th or 11th encounter of it.

they appear as regular looking people in bible stories

No this is the most Christian game of all time. Hope you have a lot of batteries

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It isn't just the appearance of them, their presence alone is said to deeply affect a person on a spiritual level.
Even affecting your autonomy, the presence of an angelic creature removes your capacity for self-harm by most accounts.
Just sayin', they are a bizarre creature to be around. The tenth viewing could be just as horrible as the first.

I suppose, but there are just as many accounts of them being downright alien.
But even in many of those stories they carried an incredible presence.

>Anti-theist.
Depends entirely if the big G is even around or not.

Not necessarily just looks though, even something mental like laughing at a joke, it loses it's luster the more you think about it.
Unless angels have some weird "bypass" to normal tolerance stuff.

Angels always sounded more like eldritch horrors than agents of the absolute good to me. The descriptions of their presence has a lot of the same feel as Lovecraftian Elders.

I think that's so little kids don't get scared, plus I think some do look like humans, but higher up angels start look more "eldritch" or "lovecraftian" if you can even use those words to describe them.

Its entirely possible, they are beyond us in a lot of ways. Had to get this out there.

Why not both?
Not like it can't have a mind-bending appearance and be a good guy at the same time right?

Was God ever mentioned in the games or manuals?

I guess that's where we run into opinions, I couldn't consider anything that strips away free will good. But then again that was Satan's entire plan wasn't it, giving humans free will and the option to doubt God instead of just submitting to His totalitarian kingdom?

They can assume different forms, or at least certain kinds can.Their true forms are often very weird. Covered in wings, fire, sometimes multi-headed, wheels with eyes, etc.

Fact: Doom is only good for shooting gameplay, not lore or story.

I don't think so.

We could be here for days bringing up different points. opinions and referencing different stories. To some Satan is just "the other way" or the epitome of "necessary evil" and without it, we literally wouldn't be able to function.
To others Satan is like God's attack pet who can't act without express permission or purpose, making all suffering directed for the sake of teaching people or presenting the option for a person to be good.

Its argued that an angelic presence doesn't remove capacity, but elevates a person spiritually above those tendencies.
Or that an angelic presence or intervention is when things get extremely fucked and off the "intended" path of a person's life. Adding to the "illusion of free will" argument.

Nu-Doom is gay and you should just play the originals.

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Hey just got DOOM for 8 buckaroos, should I be playing on KBM or my dualshock 3 thanks

>western FPS
>you kill God in the end

Yes of course

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>Shadman is a tag all its own.
Kek.

>tomboy
Yikes and yuck!

Nothing confirms that yet, it's likely Hayden has done some shit for the years/decades/centuries Doomguy was gone.

...What?

I think Olivia says there's no God, but she also says there's no Heaven and that's obviously not true.

It's a shooter game, KBM is standard.

Add yuri somewhere.

> BJ is a Jew, so he doesn't believe in hell.
> Doomguy, one of his descendants, fights demons in hell.
What does id software mean by this?

>Noah's Ark 3D
>Protestants

>got the original DOOM on switch
>first doom game
>having a lot of fun, get stuck at a level
>failing to get past said stage
>suddenly pause, see in the pause menu has a “cheats” option
>makes it so you are invincible and no pentalty for using it

Well that kind of just ruined the game. Whenever I get stuck it’s too tempting to just cheat through it. Really should be locked away somehow.

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The hooded figure that watches over him.

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I don't understand your use of the term arbitrary. If you change sides, and one side is good, and the other evil, why is it weird to call that person the side they're on? If I defect to Russia, I'd be a Russian instead of an American.
I've never seen someone act as though good and evil were biological distinctions; it's always been about the side of morality you fall on by your decisions.

I'd say Castlevania is up there.

>The game should have arbitrary restrictions because I have no self control

Painkiller does better job

Well, yeah. That kinda the whole point to video games. Restrictions and needing to work to get past them. Video games are the only medium where it denies you content unless you earn it.

Otherwise every game should have a chapter select and every cutscene unlocked from the very beginning.

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I always get a yearly reminder of this game

it's no different than difficulty options

i love having to listen to my christian coworkers going on rants about how much they love god and jesus and then tell me Im going to hell meanwhile I cant say shit or I get a HR appointment

Tf nigger. The dude who shot up the garlic festival is evil. Not everything is subjective.

P E R S I L A T H E P I G

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>Hell
>slaying Demons
>Night Sentinels are holy space crusaders
>Doom Slayer is "incorruptable"
Nope, nothing to do with Christianity
t. coping Fedora Tippers

>Tons of violence and gore
>No sex or nudity anywhere
Very Christian, by American standards.

Based coworkers

Literally in the bible

>This has to be some kind of fantasy appeal to teenagers
Teenagers and insufferable atheists.

>If I defect to Russia, I'd be a Russian instead of an American.
I wouldn't be so sure. Current events have shown that it's apparently possible to defect to Russia and not only remain an American, but also hold a federal office.

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How much of a newfag to Doom are you?

Nice bait.

>Even affecting your autonomy, the presence of an angelic creature removes your capacity for self-harm by most accounts.
Would that include negative thoughts?

>tfw no angel gf to sexually enslave me cure my depression by making it literally impossible for me to hate myself

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>i love having to listen to my christian coworkers going on rants about how much they love god and jesus and then tell me Im going to hell
I'm guessing you're from the US? American Christians are mostly shitheads who would crucify Jesus all over again if he came back today.

Sounds like prots. But they are right in a way, as there is no salvation outside the catholic church (church christ founded), but they're going to hell for being filthy prots (anglos).