Since Doom is now out on all consoles...

Is that the difficulty where the enemies keep respawning? Fuck that shit.

Is nightmare like build games where the last difficulty is the same as the second to last but the enemies respawn?

>Otherswise there is nothing wrong with it.
Except for everything I mentioned, which is fact, not your subjective "fun with friends" opinion. You don't need to defend Bethesda just because you don't care about quality, the game has worked for decades.

A lot of people talked about it on twitter, but this one has a lot of the details.
youtube.com/watch?v=Dh7nZ9t2eJA

I bought it and 2 immediately on release and wish I had just waited until they fix it.

No that's Nightmare. UV is actually fair.

Don't be absurd, hurt me plenty is the default.

How do higher difficulties affect the cyber demons health pool?

Nightmare is what you're thinking. It was a joke difficulty added in post-launch of the original game after Ultra-Violence, the intended "very hard" mode, was conquered and fans complained it was too easy. Nowadays modern source ports and especially WASD + mouse aim trivialize some aspects of Doom to the point that UV on the original games is the go-to.

Boy did Romero overcompensate to prove that UV should be the hardest in SIGIL.

>hurt me plenty is the default
Please educate yourself.

youtube.com/watch?v=af64p7GxQHU&t=2m15s

UV is the default because it has the most amount of monsters.

That audio isnt fucked. It doesnt have graphical glitches everywhere. You you cant get stuck. Youre shit at aiming. Piss off idiot.

That video clearly states hurt me plenty is medium.

>talks about the obvious drm and none of your made up gliches

Medium doesn't mean default and certainly doesn't mean intended.

>That audio isnt fucked
It runs like 30% too fast

Why are you lying when all this information is easy to find on Google, YouTube, Twitter and literally anywhere? What benefit could you get from misleading others into buying a game that needs to be fixed?

Post it then fag you havent proved anything so far

Medium correlates with Normal in games difficulty. UV is only standard because the community enforced it to be after 25 years of playing these things thoroughly. There's a reason why the difficulty selection defaults to Hurt Me Plenty, Ultra-Violence is the challenge for real pros. SIGIL reintroduced this by pretty much trying to fuck you up the ass the instant you start on UV.

real question is why anybody would play doom on a console instead of just using their desktop

I was told it runs slower

You cant even aim up and down so why does it even matter?

For starters, regarding the audio, if you watched the video, you'd see there's a comparison.
youtu.be/Dh7nZ9t2eJA?t=149

Here is a tweet describing what went wrong.
twitter.com/Nitomatta/status/1154817787203710976

because the source ports are superior

Playstation Doom and Doom 64 were fun. And honestly, the limitations of controllers is the closest you get to emulating the clunky original keyboard-only setup the games were designed with for their age.

except doom supported mouse just fine

HMP is the difficulty the game defaults to when you -warp into a level though.

What are the odds of all of this being fixed? I want to play Doom on Switch but I'm not paying full price for a version of 4 with no snapmap. 4 bucks for Doom 2 is such a good deal, but... y'know.

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And there's no wads/mods

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It supported mouse and Romero was playing with a ghetto early m+kb setup for the age, but most played with arrow keys and separate strafe buttons at first.

and then they stopped after three maps and started using mouse

boards.fireden.net/v/search/image/_9Rwgj8yfRCKGlVQTU56-A/

You have nothing better to do than to post that webm with shitty framerate?

Ah yes you are right, I got confused.

Yeah no one cares we all have computers

Probably won't all get fixed. I care the most about the audio, which should be super easy to do.

>Port 1/2 again
>Don't add Final Doom so shitters can understand the faggotry of plutonia.
>Don't include fast monsters as a toggle not just NM option.

Oh well I also don't think they have multiplayer either for online so I wouldn't get to dunk on the retards who actually cheat on console for those games multiplayers.

I don't think you even remotely understand how the casual consumer mindset for 1993 worked.

Good attempt but I only saved it recently

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Even the lights were different??

>first level of Doom vs ADHDoom

At least use the E1M1 snapmap

You know if you hold down the run button you go even faster in doom than in doom 16

Why would anyone ever purchase a port of Doom today??? Why would you purchase an open source game???

>E1M1 snapmap
Isn't it recreated officially in doom 16 just hard to find.
I only found one level recreation in 16 despite one existing on every level.

Only the engine is open source.

Did they delist it from direct access in the SnapMap stuff? I could've sworn they recreated the first three maps of Doom in a linked campaign kind of thing that was easily accessible from the menus.

>Doom has a sprint button

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Because I can't be asked to hack my switch.

Then use based FreeDoom.

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It's easier to have everything running out of the gate instead of jumping through hoops and wasting hours just to get the game working.

its more accurate to say Doom doesn't have a pansy ass walk button ya dweeb

It's less work to run a source port lol wtf

Which is the best engine for taking advantage of modern hardware for special effects?
Doomsday?
Zandronum?
ZDoom?

you can literally grab a main wad file, have it either in the source port folder or even just on your computer in general depending on the port, and boot it up

Zandronum is multiplayer-focused. Doomsday is kind of a mess of shit. ZDoom is dead, supplanted by GZDoom which is basically the modern source port standard even despite Graf's questionable handling.

Yeah but Zandronum still works for single player.

It does, but you're just playing a stripped-down GZDoom if you go that route, as the only thing Zandronum offers is a proper inherent menu selection for player classes if mods have them. With a number of mods moving to zscript now, that means they simply don't work on Zandronum anymore.

What about Crispy Doom

Which is the best source port for co-op?

You can do co-op just fine on GZDoom.

Imagine giving a shit how other people play single player games.

>ITYTD-let

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>It's easier to have everything running out of the gate
too bad thats not the case lmao

gzdoom

>Doom on consoles
>no zandronum
What's the point?

What's the intended Quake difficulty?

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It's great for vanilla style gameplay and visuals but in turn doesn't have a lot of options and doesn't exactly "take advantage of modern hardware".
I prefer it for the original Doom and older wads.
A lot of modern mods and mappacks will require Boom-compatibility or ZDoom to play though which makes GZDoom a good choice for those since it's compatible with almost everything.
Also the newest CrispyDoom release (5.6) seems to be pretty bugged at least on my machine so you might want to get the 5.5.2 version.

Nightmare

looks like you've been moot

MOOOOOOOOOOT
also, nightmare
its not like doom where monsters respawn

stfu purist boomer

>no brutaldoom
FTFY

Dude just buy the Doom Classic Complete bundle on Steam if you want to give Bethesda money that bad

Its running on fucking unity, thats why. Devs are too lazy and retarded to port the actual engine itself even though it took one guy in his basement 45 minutes
youtu.be/F4Dv32-PoU4

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>Its running on fucking unity, thats why.
Only the frontend is running Unity, otherwise it's identical to the 360 port.

Been binging on oldschool shooters recently. What would be the recommended to play them? Played Duke 3D on hardest and it wasn't too bad (except for episode 2 who's fucking idea were those drones reee). I'm moving onto Shadow Warrior next, and then Blood.

This. Respawning enemies fucks the balance.

Go play Fortnite or something.

Shadow Warrior and Blood are gonna fucking ream your ass flat. Duke 3D is peanuts compared to the amount of bullshit in the former and the sheer hitscanner and damage sponge hell of the latter if you crank the difficulty up.

Have sex

Does that mean it has splitscreen support and everything?

who?

Yes, both of them have splitscreen.

>Hitscanners
Please no

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What wad/mod is that? Aside from gore mod.

I only play UV on wads I really like. If im gonna play a megawad or whatever for the first time it was probably intended to be played on HMP

One looks like a generic modern shooter with zoomer faggots. The other looks like defining moment in video game history. Also, one is good; the other is shit. Doom wins, I'm afraid.

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
oh wait

File's borked, son

Blood is good one. Good luck.

Doom vacation mostly based on duke life's a beach
fun 5 levels with unique settings
1. carribean beach
2. tropical marketplace
3. casino
4. waterpark
5. cruise ship
gets slaughtery BS at the end though

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Once you complete those, try playing descent, system shock, and marathon for more story-atmostphere experiences

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You can't possible mean to tell me that the creators of Plutonia/Plutonia 2 UNIRONICALLY WANTED ME TO PLAY THAT FUCKING BULLSHIT ON ULTRAVIOLENCE?

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playing ultra violent on consoles is just asking to lose

pussy!!!

Yes git gud

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Yes, it's UV but enemies respawn after 20 seconds I think, so you really gotta keep your ass moving or else you'll be overwhelmed and run out of ammo. But ammo pickups are doubled, like in ITYTD. Just ammo found on the level, not ammo from zombies.

It's not that bad.

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What's the matter?

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Nobody with a brain is going to try to argue that og Doom has better combat than NuDoom. The problem with NuDoom is the level design is fucking horrendous and the game gets super monotonous towards the latter half because the game is basically just hallway -> arena -> hallway -> arena ->hallway -> arena. If the entire game had levels designed like Foundry it would be a fantastic game, but levels stop being like that when you get to hell which is around level 6.

ya no ill keep that for mouse aiming

>Nobody with a brain is going to try to argue that og Doom has better combat than NuDoom.
og doom has better combat and everything else though

Is this doom 1 or 2? because there's a BIG difference with UV in 2.

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>ADHDoom
That's doom 2

gzdoom I guess, you can even play Doom in VR.

NuDoom is already on consoles

If you use mouselook you can chaingun snipe the chaingunners and it becomes actually a great wad to play through. Abusing the game's inability to aim up or down for you after an actually kinda short distance isn't fun difficulty.

Wasn't DOOM already on mobile? I know Wolfenstein 3D was.

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None, in doom only enemy spawns are affected by difficulty. Only the easiest difficulty and Nightmare have other special traits.

Are there any wads out there that exist to provide a challenge, or at least a much more balanced experience, for Russian Overkill?

>this is your brain on smartphones

probably not, considering you can wipe out an entire map with 1 shot using Russian Overkill

Slaughterwads like Sunder

Try CS2.

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None, every "graphics" update for older games like this look uncanny as fuck because no matter what shader effects and fancy textures you use the maps are still jagged and blocky.

Should I play Quake 1.5 on Nightmare? I honestly love the mod, but it does add a ton more enemies to the game.

Is Vanilla on Nightmare more fair?

It was, but they "updated" the port with this one on iOS and Android the same day. I can't imagine why other than wanting to farm for e-mail for BethesdaNet.

Rank the Doom games

now first you have consider that doom ii
is the best game in the series, and it is not
greatly ahead of the second best game
going forward, which is doom i, after which is
expectedly the well recieved doom 2016, then
right after is doom 64 and then doom 3 and
so forth.

1, 2, and 64 are the classics. 3 is very mediocre. 2016 is fun but flawed.

I didn't play the other wads.

People are really getting dumber huh, you just drag the wad into gzdoom, takes 2 seconds

>has to create a bethesda account to play

2 is all tun and gun. It's an ADHD zoomer's dream

Thank you for encouraging me to challenge myself, however, I find it rude that you're trying to tell me how to enjoy my games.

i see what u did thar and i approv

Pussy

I play games on hardest difficulty. You're just an elitist foul mouth.

Nightmare is unbalanced though.

Haven't played descent but I've played Overload. The controls stood out most of all because they're just so fantastic . Got SS1 remastered edition for mouselook goodness but haven't got around to playing yet.
I tried Turok but platforming and constant respawns pissed me off.

twitter.com/lazygamereviews/status/1156270808244862978

Apparently Jupiter Hell is releasing tomorrow.

I only hope you're not planning to play Shadow Warrior and Blood on highest difficulty.

Doom RPG mobile port to modern platforms when

its releasing on the 1st u dumb

>do you play Doom or DOOM?
yes

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Absolutely based

>challenge
there's really no challenge in original Doom levels, unless you play with original 1993 inputs that severely limit your ability to shoot fast and precise

I eagerly await for your Plutonia NM run

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Absolutely cursed.

>original Doom levels
>Plutonia

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I'll usually play on HMP, HNTR if it's a wad that's known to be difficult, and UV in more atmospheric/less challenging wads
but I go HMP 90% of the time

But what about the Nightmare for slaughterwads experience?

That one is 2, NRFTL included. I've also done the same for 1.

OP talks about UV.
Everyone know NM is a joke difficulty

How so?

>HNTR
>NTR

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Lightweight

it mostly depends on mods you want to use.
gzdoom has most functions, but tends to break mods, because devs don't seem to understand concept of backward compatibility.

Any newfags here, DO NOT listen to OP in terms of nightmare. It's fucking bullshit and even the devs knew that. UV is essentially the highest you should ever go.

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I thought it's mostly the other way around where mods are made for gzdoom and break if you try running them on other ports.

Nightmare is for when you memorize the maps and can basically speed run the games.

UV is an alright challenge but fairly easy. UV pistol start on each stage would the next step.

Well yea once you're a doom god or something nightmare is nothing in 1 and 2. But I'm specifically talking to newfags who've never touched doom.

If mod is made for specific port, you obviously should use that one.

UV with fast monsters enabled works best for me when playing unmodded game.

The guy behind GZDoom is a fuckwit that constantly breaks features. Sometimes accidentally, sometimes out of spite.

>t. 90 IQ

Ah yes
That German Chicken fuck.

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*sips* If your Doom doesn't look like this, you're playing it wrong.

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why doesn't GZDoom allow you to select pistol start on each level? especially when you die you don't have the choice to restart the level with only the pistol, the way the game is intended to be played. You literally have to cheat to do so.

Does NM work the same way on the console?

The same reason why Vaseline is enabled by default, and why turning off jump, crouch & freelook don't persist the next time you launch the game.

I have no reason to believe it doesn't.

But they fucked up everything else so I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't.

Am I doing it right?

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The last-gen ports didn't enable fast monsters.

Can't you just disable autosave?

What is with that background?

This is pretty handy
forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=61079

Good: All of them

This nigga gets it

Console users outing themselves as brainlets once again

Don't worry about it

looks like stylish hell, a shitty mspaint monster replacer that's actually kinda fun since the monsters themselves can be pretty hard

Ultra Violence isn't really that hard for the first episode at least
Game gives you tons of shotguns which is the only weapon you need

>Why yes my favorite official doom WADs are plutonia and NRFTL. I prefer to be actually challenged.

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Question about this, I know this happens because the game autosaves, but in the original release, could you save at the start of every level? I just wanna justify playing without pistol starting desu

Yes, but you had to manually save/load.

>green blood

Plutonia is harder overall but I feel like Mount Pain and the other level by the same guy in TNT are the hardest levels in Final Doom.

>Vaseline is enabled by default
what's vaseline?

Why aren't you playing Zandronum right now?

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dumb zoomer

Texture filtering

Does DOSbox have inaccurate sound emulation? I only ever played DOOM on sourceports so I wanted to see the game as it originally was, and I noticed the music sounded a bit off

Oh fucking hell

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Because I'm watching anime.

have fun with the shadow ninjas

>turning off jump, crouch & freelook don't persist the next time you launch the game.
I know freelook doesn't turn itself back on, and i don't think the others do (i've never jumped or crouched so i don't even know if they're turned on)

Finished Doom 1 including TFC and Sigil on Hurt Me Plenty with horizontal look and auto aim.
In the middle of Doom 2 right now.

I feel like I'll never be able to play with freelook again

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1 > 64 = 2 > 3 > 4

They stay off when I load a save with them sometimes, but starting a new wad has them set to "default", even if it's an older wad that shouldn't have freelook enabled.

Is the constant weapon switching just for show or do people actually play Doom like this?

Doom anime?

Vanilla Doom has slow ass weapon switching so I doubt many people usually play like that.

Blue Gender
So it's still space marines against hordes of otherworldly monsters.

You don't want to use a rocket launcher when 4 specters are in your face

I was playing Quake.

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Just pick random servers and play Zandronum.

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I don't know if it was because of the source port or something, but that particular map was buggy as hell back when I played it. I would clip through the terrain and fall off the map or would not be able to fit between narrow passages and had to noclip my way through to progress.

Name?

Doomslayer chronicles.

Really neat looking mod. Gameplay gets unbalanced though so I put RO to remedy that.

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Post mods.

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Haven't had such issues. The port I'm playing is based on QuakeSpasm 0.93 IIRC.

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Based

>Devs are too lazy and retarded to port the actual engine itself even though it took one guy in his basement 45 minutes

#1 that's chocolate doom, an existing port which someone spent a lot of time making.
#2 that's not going to work on an unhacked switch.

Why are there so many of those Doom launchers? Is it like an engine that reads the contents of the wads and interprets them in its own way?

DOOM and DOOM II had their source code released a while back, so these engines basically use that source to play these games on modern systems and add features
Super Mario 64 recently got decompiled so expect the same thing for that

There's like 3?

Nice duke3d mod

Launchers or Source ports?
Source ports take the source code and does what says

There's also ZDL which is a launcher

youtube.com/watch?v=ietb4JwaaXA

A part of id's old policy before they were bought by Bethesda was to make all their engines open source when they moved on to the next one. As such the source code was released and with Doom's inbuilt ease of customisation allowed for everyone and their dog to make their own fork if they wanted to.

Someone should host a Yea Forums server.

why can't they just use chocolate doom?

Source ports may be what you're thinking of, and that's what happens when a game's source code is opened to the public, resulting in a lot of different interpretations of how to improve upon Doom code-wise and so forth. Doom Retro is a perfect example of a highly superfluous source port that just adds little neat things on a software-style Doom but kind of is unnecessary.

Launchers are just programs that help people sort their mods, maps and shit.

Chocolate Doom is GPL I think, that means they'd have to release/distribute any changes they make to the source code.

depends on the player, most of the time I only do that when I know that I can quickly switch to like my shotgun for a quick kill then back to my long range or something like that

Their job is to sell Doom on the Switch, not "make it" for the Switch. You know ID still owns the license for the WADs, right? Those are the physical games. Imagine how much easier it would be to just take existing open source frameworks, port them to the Switch, and now you share your labor with the community who can then use their user generated content on your software, and then you can sell the official WADs on the store page seperately from the framework which would be free because open source?

Zenimax would rather never directly use anything from the fans, solely because it could probably cut into profits if they had to attribute a single thing to a fan sourceport. So coding an entire backend shell in Unity, embedding the wad files into it and then running a higher-res software Doom through that is somehow their choice of action.

>Unity to make an easier port
A guy ported Doom to switch in under 24 hours already. Doing it in unity seems like a time waste, perhaps they just wanted to milk the contract

What should we play?

*ahem*

postal 2

It would be nice, but consoles are locked down walled gardens by design, I'm not sure exactly why you're expecting them to open up a game like that, to nearly limitless modding. That just doesn't fly on consoles, at most you get a level editor which is tightly controlled and they know exactly what it can and cannot do, with a system for them to also ban/remove levels they dislike (for whatever reason).

I'm not sure exactly what needs to be done to a program in order for it to run on a non-jailbroken console and I'm not sure how that interacts with the GPL either, so I don't know if tying their shit together with a GPL codebase would bind them to release their own shit or not, but that might be a consideration. They'll happily mooch off of BSD-licensed free software because they don't have to give anything back.

Was there a single game that worked like that? Where you could mod shit in?

Doom Center

I mean Bethesda themselves opened the floodgates on Xbox One with modding for Skyrim Special Edition. Big problem was that the real meat of modding, the script extender stuff, was impossible. But it was still a big bulk of content since you could add a lot of new things without needing SKSE. Playstation got fucked, but only because Sony enforced a super tight wall that wouldn't allow for any custom asset injection.

Doom is arguably one of the easiest games to mod for, I broke a wad with MS Paint assets when I was twelve. Wads and the base Decorate can already be pretty extensive for modding, and there's a metric ton of vanilla-compatible mapsets out there that could extend the playtime of console ports by dozens of hours each. But it's too much effort and too 'unsafe' probably.

the point isnt to mod stuff in, the point is to maximize the resources that have already been put into the game over time and then "reheating" that. The problem we have is that we have an open-source engine that we want to put on a proprietary store front with a GPL license. You have to get around that somehow.

What are those weapons? Is that a lightning gun?

Doom 2 the Way ID for co-op, or Lazarus for deathmatch

They're multiplayer-exclusive guns from 2016.

>opened the floodgates on Xbox One with modding for Skyrim Special Edition
They opened their own curated little stable of mods as far as I'm aware, though I'm not intimately familiar with what's going on there since I don't have the console at all. Can't they police shit however they like? I don't think you can install whatever you want, can you install porn shit for instance?

>could extend the playtime of console ports by dozens of hours each
I doubt they even want that. How much does this new port of Doom cost? $5 or something? Do you really think they want you to pay $5 and then have endless content without giving them extra money?

So did they remove the DRM yet or not? Have they fucking said when they will? I want it but I won't buy it until it's gone and their twitter doesn't say shit. They fixed the delisting, this shouldn't be hard.

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They said they will make it optional and that it was just for Slayer Club bonuses, and they also said that removing the 360 version of the game from the marketplace was an 'accident', but it reeks of damage control.

What do you think of the Edge Engine?

it's shit jim

I mean, I knew all that. I'm asking if they fucking did it yet, it's been like four days.

Nah, not a priority to these niggas. Fuck Bethesda, really.

Too bad UVfast doesn’t come by default

They didn't say when. It'll take a while.

Where's the server?

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Play Extreme Weapons pack.

I've only ever downloaded HDoom, what are some good mods (preferably mostly-vanilla stuff)

Hideous Destructor

I wish you could play Doom like that. Weapon switching in og Doom takes fucking forever.

MGQ3D

youtube.com/watch?v=ietb4JwaaXA

NRFTL is fucking fantastic. Everyone should play it. Plutonia is decent but its "challenge" can just be fucking obnoxious at times.

Mario 64 isn't entirely decompiled yet.

Right here, friend:
Server Name: Yea Forums - Tuesday Evening Deathmatch
Password: doomfriends

You need doomseeker and zandronum if you wanna play.

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>NM is fine too.
NM is kinda shit honestly. UV or bust.

>pw not rage