How did Vault 95 get supplied with Jet by vault-tec even though Jet was invented post-war?

How did it get into the Sierra Madre proper when it had been on lockdown since the night of the great war.
Nobody has ever cared about Fallout lore.
Not fans
Not devs
Nobody.

The only people who care are the anti Bethesda crowd who don't know Bethesda was far from the first to give no fucks about it.

Why do fat people exist in a wasteland where food is scarce?

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I know.
Poor Jarret.

Wow, let's bring up this subject that is half a decade long at minimum because US GAMES I RECOGNIZE THAT HAHA WE ARE SUCH A NERDS, right?

Jesus this board is in absolute fucking shambles.

t. sexless beth shill drone

ur mum's dick is half a decade long

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It's in lockers in Mariposa in F1.

DELETE THIS YOU RACIST WHITE NAZI. OBSIDIAN DID NOTHING WRONG, FUCK MEN

I don't think there is Jet in Fallout 1. They didn't start screwing up the Jet lore until Fallout 2.

it's just a video game, dude. seriously get laid

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That's just random loot they forgot to remove, the Fallout 4 thing is a written terminal entry.

So they started screwing it up as soon as it was introduced?

>there was a lot of food in that fridge, teehee
That's all he needed to say

Canned dog food

Fridge is leaky, radioactive water was constantly dripping in, radioactive mold constantly grew inside which he ate.

That's not even the only problem with the fridge kid (and the ghoul that was locked in the safe room in Nick Valentine's quest). Didn't Fallout3 establish that ALL ghouls are deteriorating and will eventually become feral? How are these ghouls surviving for hundreds of years without food and water, and how are they not yet feral?

I wish there was someone at Bethesda who gave a damn about the Fallout lore, and wouldn't just rewrite it to whatever is convenient for each new game

>Ghoul in Fallout 1 or 2 lies in a grave for 3 months without food or water
>I sleep

>lmao it's just a game lol
>chill out bro it doens't have to be consisten writing, dawg
>dude it's a scifi fantasy, I ain't gonna explain shit, lmao, it's magic and shit yo, lmao

Imagine a script writer responding to questions about movie plotholes in similar manner. Imagine if you wrote the most retarded deus ex machina tier plothole because you're a hack writer, and then responding to criticism like
>yo it's just a movie lmao, chill out bro, it's fiction anything can happen lmao

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Yes.
It was both invented by Myron and available before Myron was born in Fallout 2.

The total fucks given to Fallout's lore before Bethesda got a hold of it was a big number.... a big fat zero.

>How did it get into the Sierra Madre proper when it had been on lockdown since the night of the great war.
same way Fallout 4's pipe guns got into those pre-war safes. loot tables.
it's less of a conscious design decision and more of a way to save development time. pre-war jet gets shit on because it's explicitly stated to have been in the vault
>Nobody has ever cared about Fallout lore.
blatantly false. one of the reasons why fallout is so popular is the setting & lore
just because there are inconsistencies doesn't mean that nobody cares.
however, the inconsistencies in the Obsidian/Black Isle fallouts are far and few between, while there are many in the Bethesda fallouts.
the fact that bethesda shoehorned in the brotherhood of steel & supermutants into west virginia should tell you all you need to know about their respect for the source material
>The only people who care are the anti Bethesda crowd who don't know Bethesda was far from the first to give no fucks about it.
fallout's world becomes less interesting & cohesive with each Bethesda release. maybe if they hired a competent writer this wouldn't be a problem
jet isn't in fallout 1

If they gave a fuck about the lore they would be pioneers in that regard.

>its ok when obsidian and interplay do it

>Ghoul in Fallout 1 or 2 lies in a grave for 3 months without food or water
ghouls in the original fallouts needed constant radiation to survive

Its their IP so they can do whatever they want, meaning that unlike fallout nv they wont have to shove in feminism since 73% off all leaders are female

Then why isn't there radiation? You would get a status message if there was

>make thousands of threads complaining about the jet consistency
>nobody seems bothered by far bigger plot holes, like how the plot of fallout 3 is about finding a clean supply of water despite the capital wasteland having survived for 200+ years at that point

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Based pete absolutely destroying autists forever

Pipe guns are pre war so why would it be an issue to be in pre war safes?
One of the Guns and Ammo magazines cover was the pipe guns of Detroit.

I know you want to shit on Bethesda but at least try to be a little better informed.

Myron was an arrogant, egotistical prick who could have easily been taking credit for something he didn't really do, or at least didn't do it to the extent that he claims. Rather than entirely inventing Jet, maybe he developed a new kind, or a more potent version, which is why his services were valuable.

People always take issue with the Jet thing, but with at much of an asshole as Myron was, I have never had a problem chalking it up to him being a liar or embellishing the truth

>Its their IP so they can do whatever they want
i never said they couldn't
>they wont have to shove in feminism since 73% off all leaders are female
yeah the game with an entire major faction that enslaves & rapes women because they think they're no better than animals is feminist

running low on 200 year old bottled water

Most reasonable people do. We aren't dealing with reasonable people.Apparently if they give in their childhoods become meaningless or some shit.

Sawyer just did that so he could indulge his rape fetish.
Seriously if Sawyer does a Sesame Street game somebody is getting raped in game.

>the fact that bethesda shoehorned in the brotherhood of steel & supermutants into west virginia should tell you all you need to know about their respect for the source material
I hate this, and Bethesda has been doing it since Fallout3 where they had to explain how super mutants and the Brotherhood ended up on the East Coast, then they had to do it again to explain them in 76.

Power Armor is pre-war tech. Why does the Brotherhood itself have to be shoehorned in when and where they don't belong? Surely there are OTHER factions that would have found these things. Same with mutants. There are literally limitless options for coming up with monsters who were transformed by radiation. At iconic to the series as mutants and power armor are, they don't have to be in every game, especially if you are having to rewrite the lore to make it happen.

not him but can you give instances where Obsidian and Interplay did this?

Jet was pre war. Your previous headcanon was wrong
>b-but a character said he made it!!!!!!
Any character can claim whatever the fuck they feel like saying, doesn't make it true. Now fuck off and die.

>bethesda

>what is The Last Jedi

Bethesda's handling of the franchise doesn't even make sense. The old Fallout games sold like 100k copies. People who bought Fallout 3 didn't even know what thee brotherhood of steel or super mutants were, yet Bethesda thinks they are essential for a Fallout game.

Bethesda is in a damned if you do damned if you don't situation.
If they do
Whaaa why is the BoS and SM in this game?
If they don't
Whaaa where is the BoS and SM how is this Fallout?

Thought the idea was to fix the water so people could thrive rather than simply survive

Shhhh user is venting.

Even if Bethesda were to make up new factions they'd just turn out boring as fuck like all of Fallout 4's original factions like the railroad, institute and minutemen. Bethesda just can't make interesting questlines to save their asses.

Anyone remember the first Brotherhood quest where you follow Paladin Danse?
>commercial elevator leading directly to the rocket efficiency test site blast zone
Seriously?

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Awful.

>yeah the game with an entire major faction that enslaves & rapes women because they think they're no better than animals is feminist
You literally just fucked yourself. The legion isn't morally grey and literally evil, so of sóyer pushed in the "women are objects" since they're the ultimate evil and being disrespectful to women too.

The entire fallout setting is retarded
Either its as bad as it says and all inteligent life is dead in 5 years, or it survives past taht in which case it rebuilds into 1900-1910 era levels in 20 years tops.

There is no conceivable way for beings intelligent enough to maintain working weaponry to still live in ruins and build themselfs even new shelters.
I mean fuck, you can take the average autist, have him became the leader of some jungle tribe or someshit and by time he kicks the dust those niggers would be using steam engines and shit. And thats without the advantage of XX century tech being strewn around everywhere

There isnt anyone because the majority of their customers dont question or outright dont give a single fuck about these things.

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Which is why the game is far more interesting than NV, a honestly boring af game with most of the quests being kill this, get that?

Is it really that difficult to add old currency to dungeons and litter the place with rotten food and useless items? Just make the weapons/armor/rewards worth the time exploring the place and make it so there's a vendor in the game that will buy the old currency from you

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That is why Imp v Stormcloak threads died out shortly after launch.

>fallout 1 and 2 show two different ways power armor knowledge could survive the great war (enclave and BoS)
>instead of making a new faction that used the same method they just copy paste enclave and BoS
Why is Bethesda so fucking lazy

Posting this for posterity

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But you get to choose what uniform the enemy wears on the quest.
Such agency

Is this sarcasm?

New Vegas didn’t have a problem with making interesting original factions

Please leave poor Jarret alone.
He has been embarrassed enough by now.

How does this fag still have a job

New Vegas wasn't made by Bethesda though.

Unless you are a newfriend do you really have to ask?

>Pipe guns are pre war so why would it be an issue to be in pre war safes?
because the locations don't make sense & the quantities don't make sense. just like how it doesn't make sense for jet to be in all of those first aid kits. lazy loot tables on behalf of both devs.
there's a difference between making a mistake and trying to retcon the lore to fit your mistake. it's just lazy world building.
i'll use your magazine cover art as an example. gun control was fierce in pre-war boston and people were becoming increasingly paranoid, so makeshift guns makes sense.
but why are they in suburban houses that otherwise feature no visible attempts at prepping for the inevitable apocalypse? why are they showing up in military installations? why is there no other pre-war mention of these pipe guns if they're so ubiquitous? if boston was a police state then surely there would have been an effort to find where the guns are coming from?
fuck, i don't even mind retcons that much as long as they contribute to the setting in some way. but retconning jet with a single terminal entry & explaining pipe guns with a magazine cover is lazy and boring, just like most of Bethesda's writing

Duh, one of the vaults had a time travel machine!

Trumps brother gets a kick out of him slapping nerds around.

The only ones interesting are the NCR because the game panders to them. House could also be interesting but he doesn't have any side qusts and is more shoehorned into the "evil old white capitalist" role. For the legion the is only Ceasar and yes men lol

>use twitter daily to talk about beth games and even post irl stuff like his dogs and family on vacation etc
>fallout 76 drops
>dead silence for nearly half a year
has he started using his twitter again?

they had to add employers exit to every dungeon because the average consoletard aka the target audience would become bored if they had to backtrack. Do you think their shorter than their penis attention span would endure such a mechanic?

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Considering that Empire VS Stormcloack threads are more often a thing than NV threads, are you?

Is there any mod that removes pre-war food and garbage?

Why didn't it have the laundry list you mentioned?
It wasn't important.The magazine was all the explanation needed.

Would it serve any narrative purpose to go into the level of detail you described?

vaults were literally the only reason why the wasteland had a future beyond ~50 years or so
without the slow trickle of healthy population being mixed in with the wasteland humanity would've died out, and without the knowledge from the GECK the NCR never would've been able to form a functioning civilization
>or it survives past taht in which case it rebuilds into 1900-1910 era levels in 20 years tops.
humanity got bombed back to the stone age, it would take a lot longer than 20 years to redo thousands of years of progress

FUCK THE RAILROAD. Why anyone would join a group that are willing to die in order to save synthetic "people" that can literally be rebuilt is beyond me.
Playing along with them until you get ballistic weave and then proceeding to ghost all of them is the patricians choice.

Good lord
Yes it was sarcasm you simpleton.

Of all the responses you could make to that kids question Pete acts like a complete faggot.

If you were in charge of removing fetch quests and replacing them with something more interesting, how would you do it?

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Based

Still mad you got slapped in front of everyone Jarrett?
I agree it is rude of anons to bring up your shame so often.

It takes more time and effort, but a better option is to have compelling characters who ask you to do something that requires you to make a difficult, morally gray decision on how to proceed and resolve the issue

Oops. Confused jet with antidote. Which is supposed to be made from radscorpion tails.

FUCKING CHAD

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Jet wasn’t a post war invention. The quests in 2 outright say he got the chemical from a prewar bunker and turned it into jet.

A good movie

The cabbage was stored there by villagers who were visiting the tombs
The draugr awakened with the return of Alduin.
That's why all the candles are lit and every fucking npc left their shit in the tombs telling you to fetch their shit

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Gameplay inconsistencies =/=narrative inconsistencies

junk food is cheaper

Add more text

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The draugr are the ones who take care of the tomb, they buy the cabbages in the villages why do you think they do with all that gold?

it doesnt matter where fertile humans come from. Once a baby is due the parents sure as fuck wont say "this shithole we have been hurdling can collapse any moment, but nah, lets not use the abundant materials to build ourself a new shelter or even fucking dig one. lets keep using it" then have even their fucking grandkids inhabit the same fucking ruin with zero effort to at least fix it.

and no, as long as humans are alive (especially with "healthy"/untouched population) knowledge wont be lost. All it takes to get chemistry back to 1850 era is to find a single schoolbook with a periodic table, physics to 1800 with a book that explains newtonian physics, and dear god, can you imagine what wonders an encyclopedia would hold? And since libraries are still around, any nigga wandering in can "redo thousands of years of progress" in a week tops.
And they even have a leg up in metalworking with all the scrap lying around to rebuild the infrastructure to make more with.

As i said even if we plopped you down there as the leader of megaton, in 5 years it would be the dominant power of the region on the basis that you have idea at least on how wing works and steam engines work.

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It's cold out there. Northen winter.

Work out and buy ebony weapons while you are picking flowers

You can make plastic out of corn starch.

nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/159?tab=description# bethesda dont deserve the modders

>get BW
>return with my brotherhood bros and wipe them out

Post more.

The Witcher 3 almost sort of did this if I remember correctly. You could find useless currency like Orens and Florens and get them converted to Novigrad Crowns that are accepted everywhere by the Jewish dwarf in the Novigrad square.

Didn't their whole society collapsed without water?

>It wasn't important.The magazine was all the explanation needed.
it's arguably not important to know where the NCR gets their guns from, it could've been handwaved as something lame like "they found a massive cache of service rifles in an old military depot"or "there's just a lot of them in the wasteland". but instead Obsidian/Black Isle created a faction of gunsmiths and wove them into the setting, providing a detailed explanation of how new guns find their way into the wasteland.
now compare this to fallout 4. why are there so many perfectly functioning 200 year old guns? who knows. where did the thousands of pre-war pipe rifles that litter the Commonwealth come from? who cares. why does everybody & their dog have a pipe pistol? because it was on the cover of a magazine.
>Would it serve any narrative purpose to go into the level of detail you described?
it might not be absolutely necessary for fallout 4 to narratively make sense, but it would enrich the setting and keep the fanboys happy. Bethesda barely puts any thought into their additions, they depend entirely on Black Isle's worldbuilding to provide an interesting setting that doesn't fall apart when you think about it for more than five seconds

Treating a title in the series which was developed by Bethesda as canonical.

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books won't remake the massive factories that made modern life possible.
sure, you can rebuild the factories, but that takes time, resources, supply chains and manpower, and not all of that is available in a brutal wasteland ravaged by hideous mutants and murderous warlords.

for small communities you'd just need a small machine shop really.

What is this mod? My sides need to know.

Sawyer later went on to say he regretted making the Legion's members evil and misogynist because it paints them as the "bad side" with Caesar seeming like the only sane one.
>I’m not really concerned about people thinking we’re misogynistic. See, we tried to create factions that would appeal to people for different reasons. So for example a lot of people will talk to Caeasar and think, “well this is a smart guy, but I can’t really support him” and others will talk to him and think, “well, this is a smart guy, and he’s got some pretty interesting ideas – maybe I do actually support this”. But then they see how they treat women and do all this other stuff and then they think, “okay well never mind”. So if your faction is on a certain level just inherently repugnant, people are not interested in doing that content at all. And like I said, more to the point is that the rank and file legionaries were conceived that they just wouldn’t care. They’re in an all-male fighting force and their job is to fight and to serve Caesar. So it just gave a weird impression that wasn’t really intended.
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Myron lied about creating jet. I mean, what about your discussions with him leads you to believe Myron could be trusted to tell you the truth about anything?

Only 1 the high level events of 2 and tactics, and Bethesda titles are now canon.
BoS is outright yanked from canon and there is a question about NV.

I would honestly take a plothole than an absolutely pants-on-head retarded retcon like that.

>why does a game need to not be hot garbage
You're right, nothing needs to be good.

Have fun

So a char acting in way that actually fits his portrayal in game bothers you?
You jut like being offended don't you snowflake?

this is pretty obvious bait or you have never played fallout 2.

That's probably because you're a colossal fggot.

i'm not talking about small communities, i'm talking about rebuilding civilization after the post apocalypse

Indulging autism is what is needed to not be hot garbage?
Do you realize the sheer amount of manhours would be needed to keep autists content?

But you're the one trolling with retarded bait that makes you look like you haven't played fallout 2.

How could Jet have been invented post-war if Vault 95 was supplied with Jet by vault-tec?
Answer: It wasn't.

No, it just makes more sense for him to have made Jet. He's a shitkid who wants easy cash because he's a shitkid who the player should murder, and even tries to spike you if you're a female MC. That was his easy way of making cash; a jenkem inhaler.
Not to mention, the endings:
>Myron died less than a year after the defeat of the Enclave, stabbed by a jet addict while drinking in the Den. His discovery of jet was quickly forgotten, and now there is no one who remembers his name.

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Obviously he ate the food in the fridge dummy.

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Yes Myrons portrayal in Fallout 2 was a bastion of honesty and integrity.
If you play a dumb female he rapes you (Did Sawyer work on 2?)

You're dumb. Jet comes from brahmin dung. It contains the amphetamine effect because PRE-WAR cows were fed a contaminated protein extract and brahmin are the descendants of those cow. Therefore it's completely acceptable that someone else had figured this out before Myron came along, stop being a contrary faggot.

imagine how crazy it would be if writers put a lot of time, thought and effort into worldbuilding haha

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not interested in discussing

It makes absolutely no sense for him to have invented Jet according to Fallout 2,Fallout NV, Fallout 4and to a lesser extent Fallout 3.

You are genuinely retarded. I can see you're trolling, but it's really shitty low quality trolling that makes you look like an idiot.
See

is fallout 4 worth pirating? how's the mod scene for it?

this shit is OP in 76. Turns dogfood into stimpacks

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>caring about the things you work on

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no
bad

I blame Fallout 3 for re-adding Jet for that. As it said, it was meant to be forgotten, but I guess Bethesda forgot about that bit.

Based

play video games

Would putting a hundred man hours going into great detail about the origins of pipe weapons really made the difference to you in your opinion of Fallout 4?
If the answer is no then you have your answer why they don't cater to autists.
If the answer is yes then you have your answer why they don't cater to autists.

Return to seething from the back row of the classroom while you learn how to construct a sentence.

yeah, it was basically just jenkem. any idiot could figure it out, that's why jet is distributed in standardized inhalers across pre-war ruins and nobody ever spread the idea of huffing brahmin shit until myron came along
fucking retard

I'm so aroused right now. Post more giant feet.

>it would take a hundred man hours to write a terminal entry explaining the back story behind pipeguns

For bethesda's writers, that's probably true

Lol Jarrett you retard, it's just a video game not a simulation.

>pipe gun cheap and easy to make
>raiders use it because cheap and easy to make
>very versatile, you can convert a decent pipe design from a pistol to a rifle easy!
It would take like ten seconds and they couldn't even do that.

>step one: gather into small communities able to defend themselfs from a brutal wasteland ravaged by hideous mutants and murderous warlords
>step two: exploit local resources to produce shit you need
>step three: make contact with other small communities and exchange goods and services
>it is now everyones best interest to reduce hideous mutant attacks and eliminate murderous warlords (who didn't already became leaders of their own small communities)
>step four: rules are laid out to govern trade and mutual military aid, an a central, inter-community authority is established to uphold it

And presto, modern civilization is rebuilt. sure theres some more fighting to establish who gets to be the head of said central authority but sooner or later a balance is reached where threes less to gain from going against the new status quo than to uphold it.

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that's literally what the NCR did

>act like an euphoric atheist in order to not spook the aliens
whoever made this is a faggot

Fallout 4 is honestly the only fallout game other then 76 and BOS that I would call bad. Implying it's better then NV is insane.

>ncr
>New faction
Bethesdalets are disgusting.

Yeah I know. but it is only Yea Forums so my shame is hidden.

You're wrong, send the aliens to the Pope.
Also isn't this just what the NCR, Legion and the rest did? It started off as splintered tribes, then they slowly started fusing back into actual civilizations either through conquest or trade.

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Or a magazine cover...oh wait.

If I was the first human to make contact with aliens I'd masturbate in front of them

FUCK aliens. I'd tell them space niggers to fuck off back to their own damn planet.

based

spread your seed first, spread the good news of our Lord Jesus Christ second

Are giant feet in boots acceptable?

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This, alien life is a non--issue to the catholic church
It was discussed back in the XV century or so

Avellone confirmed that Myron invented Jet, you disgusting Betheshill apologists.

He did that in the fallout bible which even he has agreed is no longer considered canon.

Post giant girl in casual poses

I've just got what I've already saved from before. Is this casual enough for you?

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perfect

Glad you think so too.

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>giant
yes
>female
no

Why wouldn't factions have some persistence in the world? Especially ones like those, with how much time has passed? You basically say that all factions should never grow and should remain regional and insular. Lame idea.

I don't like his smile. He looks very strange.

Where did his poop go

>just turn off your brain bro

This is Skywind's one of the biggest turn offs for me. Aside from the rest of the gutted RPG mechanics.

Bottled water only lasts 2 years.

How do we know the source telling us the jet was put there that early is true

>bethesdashit
>nothing makes sense
Stop putting those abominations on a pedestal. I played Skyrim and liked it a lot, it's the best Bethesda game. It makes zero sense but you can explore a pretty immersive landscape and kill shit. And then I built a house and adopted some street girl to groom.
That's the extent of what you should expect from Bethesda. Everything else they do is a joke.

push it through the water gap

Nope

>all these beth shill tier replies
I don't know if it's ironic or not anymore

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kek

Source?

Too bad The Witcher is boring as fuck, and has shit combat

addicts can smuggle drugs into ANYWHERE

if there is a heaven and I go there, I fully expect to find a dealer smuggling shit past the pearly gates using some Crossing Over with John Edward motherfuckers as coke mules.

>The Dutch Famine Birth Cohort Study found that the children of pregnant women exposed to famine were more susceptible to diabetes, obesity, cardiovascular disease, microalbuminuria and other health problems.

>witcher 3 has shit combat
love this meme fellas!

>uhhhh im a fucking lorelet so I'll just post the same retarded complaint again so I can fit-in with other stupid gamerz durrr
Jet wasn't invented post-war, brainlet, there's clues in Fallout 2 that point to Vault-tec having the formula before Myron. You faggots don't even do your reasearch properly before posting shit like this, embarrassing.

"Kid in a fridge" quest is by far the one that insulted the playerbase the hardest in my opinion.

>game already establishes ghouls need food and water to survive (settlers)
>the fridge is close to dangerous animals that could easily rip the fridge open
>parents of the kid are like 200m away from the fridge waiting, doing nothing

It all could've been saved if it was a ploy by the parents to lure unsuspecting wanderers into their home to kill/rob them. Instead we got nothing.

>retard thinks everything in FO universe have to be 100% serious and grounded without realizing the entire concept of the game is a fantasy anecdote
Please, don't post shit like this anymore. You're only making it obvious you have severe autism.

>you're not allowed to point out flaws in games because otherwise you have autism

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>a joke is a flaw
What a retard.

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So now the quest is just a "joke"? I mean, kind of makes sense because the whole game is a joke.

Yes it is you fucking retardo, took you this long to realize something even a normie gets it at first sight.

It's a non-serious quest

So the lorebreaking quests are not serious but the others are simply because you say so

>lorebreaking quests
You must be a redditor to be this stupid.

It is breaking the established lore. If it's a "joke" then it's supposed to be funny, not retarded.

>kid who spent centuries inside a fridge (which at some point in our own history were said to resist nuclear fallout) is not funny
How to spot a retarded zoomer.

Jarrettfags BTFO forever and ever holy shit

Not really sure if its 2 years or not but as far as I heard the expiration date on bottled water is actually the expiration for the plastic the bottle is stored in before it starts deteriorating or something.
Again its just random internet trivia I heard and who gives a shit maybe the bottles in fallout are different.

Kek what a fucking hack

It was brought in by the bandits you just killed

Been ages since I played fallout 2 but didn't myron base his product on a pre war drug.

ill fuck you up

It makes sense for jet to exist in pre war times, they just used normal cow shit instead of brahmin shit.