Random crits

If it helps, DQ has 4 reps and each only have 2 songs each.

Can someone fill me in on the major stuff? Don't have time to watch right now

I think this will be the first DLC character I play for more than a week and I didn't even want him

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Be in a technical stance, Hero still gets 2.
It's just there are costumes that represent different games.

But it's almost like the composer is a massive cunt, as discussed for the past 20+ years.

Because Square couldnt make Cloud a DLC.

And your point is?

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First banned character? Nice.

Hot

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MP fills up over time.
You can't cast spells you don't have enough MP for
Hero's smashes can sometimes trigger a critical hit
Down special is the menu where a bunch of random commands will appear
He's looking quite broken desu

>Hero has random crits
>random selection of spells on Down B that can be changed if he shields and tries again
>down b spells take an assload of MP
>online tourney mode added

Gotta make it look like Square is being generous when you get another two FFVII songs when Sephiroth arrives.

RNG the character
Has critical crits on hit
B moves spend mana, they each have 3 variations except for Down B.
Down B are 4 random spells, some are good, some are bad

A better Robin with a random Monado that can get random critical hits

>one special compared to multiple specials and regular attacks

>MP fills up over time.
To clarify, about 1MP per second, but it also restores upon dealing damage.

Ah yes, the joy of gambling and pressing my luck in Dragon Quest can finally be realized in Smash

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>compared to multiple specials
No, it's just one special for Hero too.

How? Cause of Thwack?

Speaking of gambling, I'm glad they brought spectating back.

And crits

>broken on release
>every tourney fag will play as Hero
>nerfed after a month
>tourney fags drop Hero

pottery

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Guy is broken as fuck, everything kills you at 0 percent.

Surely not the case.. but regardless

If hero can walk around with a reflector active Megaman will not be able to fight him

Wow, thanks. Sound like a bad time for everyone

When's the update coming out? I've seen people say today and tomorrow.

METAL MARIO IS SHAKING IN HIS METAL BOOTS

What's the highest quality Switch controller I can possibly buy? One that doesn't start drifting after a few weeks?

TODAY

>Yuki Kaji in smash
I have to burn my cart now.

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>Luigi randomly misfires
>this is fine

>Hero randomly crits
>HOLY SHIT THIS IS SO UNFAIR PAY TO WIN

Oh, no, you can blame SE. Remember that they couldn't be bothered to give more than 2 FFVII songs despite Uematsu not even really being in complete control of his tunes.

Matter of fact, Sugiyama being in complete control of his music is probably the reason we got so many.

every single move

honestly RNG characters aren't that bad in fighting games, I just wish it was more like Faust where the RNG happens and both players are able to react

Today. Sakurai says it himself near the end of the video. No time was given specifically though, but I imagine it won't be until later tonight.

1 attack vs a minimum of 3 attacks (smash attacks) and possibly every A attack in his moveset?

>misfire
>"random"

he doesn't know

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Only his forward smash has random crits?

>more special attacks than a riot on the short bus

Retard. Also, what is this hoes mad meme?

tldr on what's wrong with him? I don't follow VA autism

luigi only crits on one move, Hero crits on all his smashes

His down B is 75% useless

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It's just worse than Marth tipper

>quick attacks
>average speed even without acceleration spell
>some attacks look like they have low endlag so can be used safely
>largest amount of spells in the game with ridiculous utility
>main three are chargeable
>auto-projectile block that extends to f-tilt
>random
>critical
>hits
doesn't even matter how good the rest of his movelist is, he's already high if not top tier because he has so much utility and his movelist can't be constantly predicted, you have to be aware of his actions at literally all times

The only big drawback is that gimpable recovery and even that seems like a stretch

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Luigi’s is a easy to dodge attack that deals fuck all in damage the hero is 50 damage from a c-stick flick

hoes mad

user, please...

Serious business.

Nothing. The guy is just popular and probably because he has a higher pitch voice.

every smash attack has them, video shows up-smash having the effect as well

Smash attack. No proof its for every hit yet.

Moe's had.

How the fuck is it useless? More like it's broken, you're basically guaranteed at least one completely fucked up spell like ranged sleep, return to stage from anywhere, free damage, damage boost, speed boost, next attack boost, freeze, guaranteed crit, etc

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Honestly I'm pretty sure crits are going to mess up any potential combo game the Hero might have had otherwise. He'll likely have to relegate to a campy playstyle and react to the opponent's moves rather than rush in and land these big dick hits.

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it's not gambling any more
you just choose someone and if they win you get coins
if not then nothing happens, there's no wager

The Japanese video says it comes out tomorrow. Does this means the update will drop at 00:00 Japan time, IE in an hour and a half?

I agree. I don't think he'll be winning any big tournaments (that'd be sweet to see though) but these people are crazy if they're thinking he's a bad character.

>can't play Banjo at a tourney because they turned off his collectibles and he doesn't start with any eggs or feathers
>meanwhile Hero gets to throw out random crits and perfect recoveries and instant kills

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Twitter nigger music shit

>unboxes crate #82
heh nothin personnel kid

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>another broken DLC character
based Sakurai destroying the competitive scene

>Persistent projectile deflector that you can preform other moves with while active
>Random Crits
>Great Recovery
>DSpecial is a giant arsenal of OP shit
>MP is barely restrictive and regens over time
>All coupled with a swordie kit which means fast, large meaty hitboxes. Who fuckin cares I'm at at 0MP anyways amirite?

Sakurai wtf.

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Tonight for the Americas, and early tomorrow for the rest of the world.

>Keeps rolling for snooze

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>Use Judgement and don’t get a 9
>Doesn’t do much
>Use Hero’s attacks without a crit
>They still have powerful effects and can still KO you

Euro account says tomorrow too. Probably will be at the morning for Japan and like 3 AM or so for Euro

I really hope online tourney is good.

Did they seriously make a "Goku" mii costume?

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Overused annoying shounen protagonist voice.

>Matter of fact, Sugiyama being in complete control of his music is probably the reason we got so many.
*of midis instead of also including the orchestrated music

Euro video also say tomorrow and its early afternoon here, so at least 9 more hours

To be fair everybody called K. Rool OP at launch and he wound up settling into bottom tier. Maybe there will be some setback or weak point for Hero and he won't be as broken as you think.

Thanks, no wonder I didn't know

Are the crits really that bad? If it's anything like the game, then they have a 1/64 chance of happening. Doesn't Game and Watch have a 1/9 chance of getting a 9 and doing even more damage and knockback than a Hero crit? Also thwack doesn't seem too bad since you have actually get the spell and it's only really worth using as high percentage, and I feel that using other moves would pay off more than trying to gamble on both getting and hoping thwack works.

He's not going to get banned you dumb fucks
Luigi isn't banned
G&W isn't banned
Peach/Daisy aren't banned
Ice Climbers aren't banned

Nah, that is a Yamcha outfit, as a DBfag. Yamchad taking over Goku's spot for miitism, bois.

>not #85

>Luigi green missiles without it miss firing
>Its shit
>Hero does any Smash Attack without a crit
>You still get your ass beat, but not as much

>not #61

>FF has had multiple composers which means getting music tracks is a legal nightmare
>DQ only has 1 composer so it's fairly easy to get music from him, but he's a cunt that will only give you MIDI music so he could sell CD's or Concert Tickets

Pay 6 dollars and you can win any tourney because you support Nintendo fucking lmao

I don't think it's that bad. Game has variables like Peach turnips and tripping anyway.

twitter.com/TSM_Leffen/status/1156193471553777666
Herofags BTFO

So i guess my expectations were too high, but the soundtrack and spirit selection are AWFUL.

No fucking good songs, 50% of them are battle themes and it looks like the other 50% is just the overworld songs.
That means no legendary DQ songs like My Road, My Journey, Remembrances, Saint’s wreath or Heaven’s Prayer.

And what the FUCK are those spirits, why no popular NPCs or party members from past games, why just monsters.

Oh well.

MP will be very restricitve, Down B moves take a bunch of MP for certain moves and if you have 0 MP you can't fucking recover.

Crits are only on smash attacks so he can combo just fine.

It almost feels like Smash is not a fighting game

> Dq8 hero is an alt
> war cry is a confirmed song

i dont even give a shit if it midi im just happy its in

The uncharged Up B costs 4 MP and that amount is recovered in seconds

He gets off on being a bitter faggot.

The pro controller is fantastic

his downb is so slow that you have to be a retard to get hit by any of the "broken" stuff

Who cares?

I mean in Smash for some DLC characters were the absolute best characters in the game (ex Cloud and Bayonetta)

Think about it this way, Hero gets rewarded for doing what is already expected for him with a chance for a crit. G&W has to take the risk of committing to his side special

He seems pretty good, but the down B melee attacks seem useless. Just shield if you see him press down B.

Based Yamchad dabbing on Goku's dreams of being in Smash.

Literally every Smashfag on the planet

>That means no legendary DQ songs like My Road, My Journey, Remembrances, Saint’s wreath or Heaven’s Prayer.
Those are great songs, but would they really fit in Smash?

A misfire doesn't kill you at 0 from the center of FD.
A misfire doesn't kill you at 50 from the center of FD.
A misfire doesn't deal 50%.

It's a disproportionate balance, the fact that he has so many OHKO opportunities and wide utility alone, not even counting his disjointed swordie range, already guarantees him as high tier

K. Rool ended up being bad once you saw through his limited gimmicks because he had nothing else. Hero can slap you with a random crit or force you to defend against any possible spell since he can cancel and reroll on the fly if you're at disadvantage, meaning that even if one-two spells end up being the best the other, situational ones will probably still have a use

>endlessly hype up new characters
>character comes out
>waah he's too broken
>waah muh music
Why can't smashfags just have fun?

The two DQ3 songs slap tho

Shame about no prelude

it's also worst than little mac up b, so why bother. Now imagine if a opponent keeps sends you off or hitting you off stage, you just keep wasting MP. Hero recovery is his BIGGEST draw back.

aw fuck, that's what I get for watching the burger channel.
I guess the latest possible time would be 23:00EST, which would be 04:00GMT

go on...

He's getting banned, isn't he?

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Luigi main here. What the fuck are you talking about?

FUCK MELEE CHARACTERS
FUCK ZONERS
FUCK BASIC SWORDIES
RNGCHADS RISE UP

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SHE IS IN

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Uncharged up B also goes about as high as Little Mac's.
I'm expecting him to get manafucked often enough early on, more than Robin at least, but for it to die off once idiots start saving MP in case they need it to not die.
Looking forward to despising him for pulling that teleport out of his ass from off screen without a jump though.

RNG and crits your path

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Cool twitter meme from june

>can't switch personae for different spells
>but get random command list
The power of legacy, motherfucker

literally Galaxy Brain: The Character
No one is having more fun than Gigahero mains right now

What's gonna happen bros?

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>party game have a fun mechanics
>NOOOOOO BAN HIM BAN HIM AAAAA

>listen to some Dairy Queen music tracks from the video
>it all sounds like a marching band

Never know until we actually experience him. Many thought K. Rool would be busted with all his armor and massive recovery but look at that absolute z tier piece of shit now.

Out of 3 smash attacks that Sakurai landed in that fight against the CPU, 1 was a critical hit.

>meanwhile Xenoblade 2 rocks 8 hours of pure kino music
How is that game so good, fellas?

Mega Man has great melee moves as well. He doesn't really care about reflectors in general.

this outfit and some spiky hair, and out of nowhere Goku was in smash ultimate

>new character get shown
>Yea Forums: OMG HES BROKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Every fucking time with this baby casual board.

>Making him so broken that every tourneyfag plays him and makes him the most recognizable Smash Ultimate character

Based Sakurai saving DQ in the west.

Evo is going to be a delicious shitshow I hope it has a bayo ditto tier walkout

So people how does it feel to be "shooter" tier of games?
>hero goes for simple punish
>opponent dies 50% earlier than normal due to crit
>"yeah I totally ment to headshot you with my spray rifle"
Also snooze catches you in the air. Get hit off stage and you fall to your death.

Is there a specific model that doesn't have the faulty d pad?

I'm just glad he doesn't have a counter.

Hero won't be at Evo

He's gonna be considered top tier because MkLeo likes him and he's just better at the game than everyone else.

Not broken

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>Every game needs to be perfectly balance, no rng and no overpowered shit
Fuck off, cancer.
This shit is ruining vidya, if it's not a hyper competetive multiplayer game like quake it's fine to have fun. I know you loved Yojimbo in FFX, everyone does.

Isn't it too late for Hero

literally every pro smash player is saying he looks extremly broken

HOLY SHIT GUYS LUIGI UP B AND RNG SIDE B IS FUCKING BROKEN WHAT WERE THEY THINKING NERF LUIGI BAN LUIGI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Smash scene won't even ban a character for having a grab infinite. It's not going to happen.

Literal retard. Use your brain for a bit.

>tripping
So you haven't played a Smash Bros. game since Brawl I see.

SquareEnix doesn't own the Dragon Quest music, Sugiyama, the composer does, through his personal label.

It's a different kind of stinginess, but Nintendo was negotiating with a completely different entity.

>person who plays party game as a party game
>deeply invested in what people he'll never play with have to say about the ruleset only they use

Lv9 CPU can always misfire ever wonder why that is?

So what youre saying is

Valve won

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hero isn't legal at evo but he will be legal at smash con which is also a huge tourney

Reminder that there were fucking threads where people were screaming about nerfing piranha plant

>being in a state of unawareness

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Are you retarded? Sugiyama doesn't want his orchestral compositions to be used in the games because he wants his albums to sell. The decision is entirely on him.

smash is a party game FIRST. who the fuck cares

There's random tripping from certain character attacks still. Not the completely random tripping from Brawl I mean.

No?

Those random crits are gonna be a great salt mine.

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>not #1

>Joker has Cloud's gimmick but done better
>Hero has magic attacks while Cloud has none
How do we fix him?

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...

>Hiyama in Smash
>Sakurai straight up fucking referenced King of Braves
Actually fucking lost my shit.

>Huge disjoints
>Chargeable, storeable projectile
>All specials are chargeable
>Random crits on smashes
>Passive projectile blocking
>Active projectile blocking with f-tilt
>Massive array of broken specials including a ranged sleep move, 10+ second projectile reflect barrier, return to stage from anywhere, speed boost, damage boost, massively power up next attack, guaranteed crit, random instakill, freeze opponent, explode opponent, invincibility
>MP is barely a constraint at all because you regen a ton with every hit and most specials barely cost any. The time you take to select a spell is more of a problem than MP.
Hero is Ultimate's Smash 4 Bayonetta.

Except that's not random.

I'm most concerned about his free warp back to stage.

He might have to take a risk with a down B far offstage, since not getting it on your first try means death, but if he does, you're gonna feel real fuckin cheated as his opponent. You put in the legwork to get that stock but RNGesus says no.

>endlag
The fuck is endlag? Do you mean recovery frames?

By cutting him from the game

He's just a charge character, why is anyone acting like this is the end of the world?
Hey you want to beat him? Don't let him charge.

Try again tranny, nobody is buying your garbage lies anymore, fuck off to resetera and stay there.

Dilate.

I don't think it's faulty as much as just kind of shit.

>sometimes an attack causes a trip, sometimes it doesn't
That's random and identical to Hero crits and G&W.

The character is literally balanced by RNG. He has a lot of OP shit by design but you have to keep rolling dice to get what you want. The command menu won't be spammable in the air because it needs to be shield cancelled for a reset, and a stuff like Thwack will be really difficult to use since they're melee attacks that require good positioning which is hard to pull off while simultaneously navigating a menu.

Assuming crits are only on smashes, that's not a huge deal either. Smashes have always been punishable moves, not used too often in competitive play. If you don't know how to deal with a character spamming smash attacks at you, it's your fault. Get good.

Maybe he will be busted, who knows, but everyone in here is acting like he can use any of his spells whenever he wants when that's completely untrue.

No, I think he means endlag.

>wagon march instead of based homeland

REEEEEE FUCK THAT JEW

He's going to be tourney banned pretty soon imo.

>1vs1
>see retard DQ fag opening his menu and using twack on me
>jump away/spot dodge/roll
holy shit guys...hero is so broken....

Yep, Zoom is the most cost efficient recovery options for Hero, but it has RNG, it may be 50% so you can't always use it.

Shield won't save you from the speed or power boosts

Or heal for that matter

It honestly depends how vulnerable he is after zooming and how predictable the landing is.
If he always lands so and so close to center or close to the edge it's absolutely trivial for somebody to just be waiting there to launch him again.

Not to mention it can't work if he's underneath the stage since he'll just hit his head on the bottom.

He doesn't even use magic in his own movie or in Kingdom Hearts. Square doesn't want him to be a "magic" guy. He's purely a sword guy with limit moves.

It's well know that a certain range of them are faulty, it occasionally reads left presses us up presses or up presses as left presses, something like that. How bad this is depends on what game you're playing, but for 2D fighting games or precision platformers and stuff like that, the pad is an infamous waste of money. Hopefully any pro controller you'd buy now is from a new range and doesn't have that issue, but I don't know.

If you know anything about the smash scene, you also know they will sooner let the entire scene fall into degenerate gameplay before they ban a character. Trying to ban MK in Brawl was a disaster. Melee players won't even ban a character with an infinite out of grab.

Reminder that Yea Forums once called Krool broken.

Nintendo didn't want to pay for more than 2 songs. It helps that DQ DLC is a paid DLC.

Imagine Thwack in Team Battles with TA on.

Fucking same lol. Counters are the most boring, awful moves a character could have in a game all about showing details and iconic techniques off in the flashiest manner possible. The only characters I don't really mind having a counter of some sort are Mac and Bayo, since both of those are pretty important techniques in their home series.

>twitter.com/TSM_Leffen/status/1156202712276639746
IMAGINE crying this much over a children's party game

>Assuming crits are only on smashes, that's not a huge deal either. Smashes have always been punishable moves, not used too often in competitive play. If you don't know how to deal with a character spamming smash attacks at you, it's your fault. Get good.
Small brain. Smashes are punishable moves but it is very possible to mitigate risk with them or confirm into them depending on the character. They're dangerous moves to throw out, but you exaggerate how rare they are in competitive play. As long as you don't play like a retard throwing out random smashes hoping for a crit and use them as intelligently as you would otherwise, a random crit can turn the game massively in your favour based on nothing.

Don't get your hopes up.

Surely those were jokes?

At least the movie had an excuse, all of their materia was stolen because they were keeping it in a big lock box in case yuffie tried to steal it

>FGC dictionary autismo at it again
So what term would you use to efficiently refer to the act of returning to the stage?

How will they deal with the language barriers on the skill menu on tournaments?

The only sensible post. The only thing i would change is the speed boost and attack boost, make it less effective than shulks just so his gimmick is still sorta there.

KRool is just a scrub filter since he's a heavy with some okayish options to let him fight back against retards whose tactics involve running into melee range and mashing attack.

You guys know that Ken can kill all lightweight characters off a fucking jab at like 50% right? Why aren't you crying about him? Why is he not banned?

im glad you guys dont design fighting game characters.
wait for actual play and tournament results before saying stupid shit

I don't get it, does it mean that the Metal KO move is only useful against other heroes?

>get good rng with heal
>suddenly 0%
LMAO RNG THE CHARACTER

Why is K. Rool at the bottom?

Can you move while menu select is up?

Any new pro controller had the fixed d-pad. My friend's launch pro controller is completely unusable. Cannot even play OG Zelda.
I've been playing Tetris with the one I bought in january and I haven't had missinputs

Metal Box is still an item.

no

Kek

You should know English, it's the de facto lingua franca.

He only runs as fast as Mario, has predictable jump-ins, a projectile with bottom-tier priority, and gets outranged by nearly any disjoint

The smash attacks have random crits, they stated this in the video.

no, but you can cancel it.

>attack my opponent in super smash brothers, a game about attacking each other
>my opponent cleverly predicted that I would attack him in super smash brothers, a game about attacking people, and used his counter move which punishes me for attacking him in super smash brothers, a game about attacking people
>I am launched off the screen for attacking him in super smash brothers, a game about attacking people, and he wins

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It's monk from DQ.

>He just changes the spell and uses Psych Up or Snooze instead

FUCK

Hero being a RNG character is actually a good thing. That will just motivate the modding scene on making a proper project melee 2.0 and supporting it in tourneys

No

They will just have to learn the spells in other languages.

B A N N E D

>Random crits
HES IN

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How much you want to bet people will actually get their hands on him and realize he's not actually that good, just like every character that looks 'broken' in their reveals.

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It's a joke about how Mega Man is literally a robot.

But regardless, the only character that move would be useful against in "Competitive" situations is another Hero, since the Metal Box isn't going to be in play since items aren't going to be turned on because they're faggots.

Only reason people said that was because of all the super armor on his moves. Sword characters are generally very good unlike heavies, and sword characters w/ PROJECTILES and REFLECT and straight up random crits is about as busted as you can get. The only thing that potentially balances him out is the fact that his spells are completely random, but all that means is he has the tools to always force his opponent to approach.

True, but we also need to keep in mind that we don't know how good his smashes are with regards to frame data or if they can be reliably confirmed into. How broken crits are is pretty reliant on the rest of his kit imo.

I just don't see why we need to panic when Incineroar can do the same stuff after a couple revenge charges.

Okay thanks lad, gonna order one now.

I can't speak for Square, but DQ's composer is stingy as shit with his music.

If the player wants to change the game language because he's playing Hero he should be allowed, it takes the same time as setting a controller or a button check.

If both players want to play Hero and can't agree on the game language, they throw a coin.

IMAGINE following a children's party game youtuber on twitter. Imagine using twitter. Imagine actually caring about what children's party game twitterfags say.

>crits on smash attacks
>menus brings up random spells each time
>one of the spells can randomly kill at 0%
finally my gambling addiction and smash addiction have become one

Because that requires skill, not luck. You have to combo into true dp to do that. With Hero, you can punish with a Smash attack and OOPS CRIT. HAHA. You lost a stock.

WE DID IT, HEAVY BROS

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>Smelee fag thinks anybody still cares about his buggy piece of shit.

Every paid DLC character has been Top tier so far, so we can't know yet, but the fact that Hero has a TON fuck of options means he will be high tier at best.

>have to learn all the spells in all languages or you won't know what spells your opponent is using when he whips out the german

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Eh, I think it makes sense for an RNG buff to be more powerful. But even then Oomph wasn't as powerful as Buster and we don't even know if Oomph and Psyche up can be stacked in this game. Not to mention the resource cost for those spells, compared to Buster, which has a cooldown and the drawback of taking more damage yourself. Shulk's mechanics are still quite different.

Just like FF VII.

yes

Is not that simple, you would also not know what spells you opponent is using.

Sounds like a fun time

>plant

>B-but they Sakurai would never add a character with multiple specials
get fucked

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I assume so
It probably outright doesn't appear unless you are facing another Hero.

no one has even played with him. most pros were saying joker was a mid tier at best AFTER playing with him. it's all speculation, no one knows shit.

>joker showed that real guns are permitted
>banjo showed that never-ever IPs are permitted
>hero is showing that random crits are permitted

It's all building up to Heavy.

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You mean just joker. And people are still arguing over whether he's actually that good or just carried by leo.
Plant is hot garbage.

Piranha Plant is paid DLC.

Stop, you’ve been lied to by a Nintendo shill.

The D-Pad issue still exist and hasn’t been fixed, only sligthly improved.

youtu.be/JQUiXokUVeg

I don't even want Sora if SE is gonna keep giving us half assed music. Stop working with this shit company already.

>paid

>FRIZZLE
>KASWOOSH
>OOMPH
>ZAPPLE
>KACRACKLE SLASH
>THWACK
>HOCUS POCUS
>COCK-A-DOODLE-DOO
>KAFUDDLE
>SPELL CHECKER

Dragon Quest is fucking embarrassing, jesus.

Isn't the MP cost to the side of the name? Just memorize those

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I think this would be more interesting if the requisition showed up as something any player could grab and use

>one of the system languages is Russian
>there is no competitive scene in Russia
>there are no pro players from Russia either
>learn the names of every move in Russian
>gain an indelible advantage

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>Every paid DLC character has been Top tier so far
user there's 1 DLC character...

I mean you can count plant if you want, but that kind of destroys your argument because he's bottom-tier.

All the shitposting, anyone else enjoy the presentation?
Especially when Sakurai did the battle against the CPU and he was saying something, but stopped because it was the last 10 seconds of the match, just focused on that, and never got back to it?

This alone will not make him broken.

Even without his down B and random crits he still looks like a typical Swordie with disjointed hitboxes and a couple of spells to zone. Plus Links projictile blocking Shield and An active projictile cancel move in his F-tilt.
That alone ensures he won't be low tier. Those tools are just too good.

>Better Sleep than Jiggs
>Better Reflector than Spacies
>Better Mana system than Robin

Who else am I missing that just got fucking cucked out of a signature move?

Like Jesus, banjo is gonna look fucking F tier after a few months of suffering Hero in quickplay.

And quickplay will be nothing but Hero. I live in Japan.

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If the smash attack has some indicator while charging that it’s going to be a critical that’d be ideal

>mfw going online and spamming thwack
Y'all niggas ain't prepared

Except for all his disjointed aerials you pillock.

I like the names and I haven't played any

based heavybro

Judgement is a useless move you go for to roll for an amazing move. Smash attacks are great moves that Hero can do for to potentially do more damage and knockback.

The melee spells I'll admit will probably be useless, but just having good projectiles, a passive reflect and at least two attack buff spells AND a heal spell could potentially make Hero the best zoner in the game, period.

That's not any more embarrassing than Fire, Fira, Firaga

Some spells might have the same MP cost.

It was fun. I wouldn't mind a casual breakdown of every dlc character like that.

>50 damage from a c-stick flick
It's almost like you didn't watch the presentation

English translation for spells certainly didn't help with DQs popularity in the west.

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I thought this too. Do the Mii outfits come with the fighter pass, or are they separate?

Good luck rolling it more than once xD

>Plus Links projictile blocking Shield
Why do people keep listing this as if it matters? 3 characters in the game already have it, and it's a novelty at best. You have to stand still and do nothing for it to work. It's useless.

This is what everyone was saying about the Belmonts and they ended up fairly mediocre

I liked it. Sakurai is cute.

Every Smash 4 DLC newcomer was top tier too. Plant is not paid DLC.

Yeah but you have to hit with the tip with marth and the hilt with Roy. Hero has a raw RNG to crit on smash attacks

>Shulk's speed Monado without the drawbacks

Greater speed boost then Shulk, combined with causing him to become lighter and thus jump higher. Oomph and Psyche-up might stack, for a greater damage boost then Shulk. These buffs don't overwrite each other and can even have bounce up with it.

>b-b-b-roken!
You said this about Joker too, fucking morons.

just go to bf and plataform camp him, he's annoying but not broken

That would require having each character have a unique firing animation. Plus they would need to get ask each company to allow their characters to use real life fire arms. They should be able to destroy the Req though.

Basic variants on the word "Fire" in a way that sounds like an incantation are fine. DQ's are like the sort of stupid shit a little kid would say and draw from ridiculous roots.

>cure
>cura
>curaga
>curasa

Better stone than Kirby
Better charge than samus
Better buff than Incineroar
Better recovery than Arsene Joker

The spell names will show up in english on your screen but on whatever language the other player picked on their screen

>comparing situational special moves to smash attacks that you're gonna be using the entire match
>ignoring the fact that peach's turnips are big part of why she's one of the best characters in the game, even without the "random crit" mechanic

Cope

It's a novelty, but it's one extra tool he had. Plus, you know, F-tilt.

>trusting Yea Forums when it comes to broken characters when the majority said that the belmonts and krool would be broken, even after weeks of the game coming out.

You don't understand how quick I can menu swap thanks to ff8

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>ANOTHER swordie
Fucking. Yawn.

Wat

Why does shulk exist when Hero has all of his stat changes?

>TSM "Snake is trash" Leffen
>TSM "too many characters to learn" Leffen

Why don't Shulk, Cloud, the Pokemon and the Marths get crits to?

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>Better recovery than Arsene Joker
I wouldn't say that. Joker becomes invincible during it. Zoom doesn't and it puts you on the platform in a poor defensible position. You might just get launched again if your opponent is right next to you. Zoom is a huge gamble in a ton of ways.

Didn't get to watch it yet, is the tourney mode like the one from Smash 4?

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Cope, Copple, Kacope

Well don't they already have those with the firing animations for the different guns? Would it not be possible to reuse those?
And sure, destroying requisitions sounds doable too

user

Maintenance is at 8pm EST - 9pm EST tonight. That's when he comes out.

Oddly enough, the sword is probably the least interesting part of his moveset.
You could probably win games without ever using it at all.

>add a gambling character
>but you still can't properly gamble on spectator online matches

what the fuck sakurai

Let's assume Oomph gives of a multiplier of 1.5x to attacks.
With Oomph, a fully-charged Forward Smash from Hero netted 40% of damage.
That means a normal fully charged Forward Smash does around 26.7%.
Which in turns makes a non-charged Forward Smash 19%.

The part that everyone is questioning is where Hero used a fully-charged Forward Smash with a Critical Hit to deal 50.4% and killing from center stage. (You would definitely lived if you DI)

First of all, everyone seem to collectively go blind during the part where Sakurai landed an UNCHARGED Forward Smash with Critical Hit to his opponent that already had 18%, which totaled to 54%.

So an uncharged Forward Smash with Critical Hit does 36%.
Which means, Critical Hits give a multiplier of somewhere around 1.9x. Maybe 1.85x. CH don't double the damage, the multiplier is lower than 2.0x for sure.

It's not broken. Just literally don't get hit with a fully-charged Forward Smash.

Also, yes a fully-charged Forward Smash with Oomph and landing a critical hit will do around 77% and will kill anyone that isn't a heavy.

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Marth and Roy kinda do

It was pretty nice seeing Sakurai himself present his content. He was having a lot of fun with it, and it just felt more... genuine? From the new fighter, to the rest of the content included in the pack and Version 4.0.0. I would be happy if he did it again for Banjo & Kazooie, as well as the others.
Speaking of new content, it's really minor, but am I the only one happy that the FS Gauge finally has a timer on it? Don't know what it wasn't designed that way since launch, I even thought it would the very first time it was revealed, but better late than never.

Because crits aren't a meme in their games. DQ was THE game when you think of crits, because you had better hope for one when you were metal slime hunting.

>everyone when the update hits tonight

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No?, he has too many spells which could determine the flow of the match.
Accelerato Oomp and Pysche up are good for applying pressure.
Bounce is good to counter projectile characters, literally invalidates certain characters.
Magic Burst is a fucking guaranted KO if it has a somewhat good knockback.

It also has zoom which maybe the best recovery in the game, it can recover FOR ANYWHERE.

>yfw you didn't prematurely buy a fighters pass

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What? every fighting game has cheap, broken, bullshit characters

apparently it's preset rules and nintendo will occasionally drop special tourneys sometimes

Basically tomorrow. It’s coming out late tonight probably around 9PM EST, but the servers are going to be absolutely fucked like Joker’s release was. So don’t even bother looking forward to it today.

That would imply anyone was playing robin in the first place. It hurts

You fuckers are just memeing me

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I think a lot of people saying "he won't be busted, it's fine" are not taking some important things into account.

Firstly, he gets MP back ON HIT, meaning that with optimal play he will always have a reserve left over for his other spells if necessary

Secondly, literally every other spell could be ass and Heal, Snooze, and Oomph/Psyche Up would be enough. That is a heal that has the potential for free use WHENEVER he's at advantage, a Sing with range, and an Incineroar-style revenge boost that all have the chance to come out. And the other spells aren't even ass, fucking Acceleratle alone is stupidly good.

Hero is high tier at the bare minimum, guaranteed.

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because they finally decided they needed to do something original with a RPG character

>"wow look at this list of OP shit he can just pull out of his ass, I'm sure he has a severe weakness to offset it right?"
>has the speed, damage, and reach of the average swordie

Smash has officially jumped the shark, he straight up has a more impressive kit than 90% of the roster.

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You're not allowed to be rational on Yea Forums

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What will you guys be fapping to today while waiting for Hero to release

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>cope
>copple
>kacope

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>Smash 4 N-air/U-air
>Climhazard can ledge grab at anypoint

Crits are kind of meme in Gen I Pokemon with moves like Razor Leaf and slash and busted speed stats

Robin is so cucked, goddamn.

Robin was fun in 4. The knockback on Tomes was great.

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Imagine getting hit by a fully charged foward smash. How bad are you Yea Forums?

The animations they have don't really work for Chief's guns. Stuff like the Super Scope and Laser gun are held completely differently then how you would really hold any of Chief's weapons. It would be glaringly obvious they weren't meant for his guns and I don't think Sakurai would be alright with something that stands out like that.

Over 3000 people would disagree with you. More entrants than any other fighter in the history of EVO. Stay mad.

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>On smash attacks
You know how hard it is to land them in tournament play? Against good players

Every JRPG has those kind of names it’s called SOUL.

It makes me wish they'd revamp a lot of the N64 and Melee cast. So many of them feel like swingy arms fighters

>He doesn't have 200 apm and can cycle through multiple menu selections until he gets what he needs as a first choice all within half a second
Git gud scrub.

mii costumes are seperate

Dragon Warrior names were much better but I did get used to these over time. The name change was the main reason why I didn't immediately make the connection that DQ8 was from the same series as the DW3 game I played as a kid.

wouldn't be surprised if he gets buffed a fair bit tho

Zero Suit Samus SFM. Not the Sarah shit either.

>He has a lot of OP shit by design but you have to keep rolling dice to get what you want.
That would be fine IF He didn’t have incredibly broken shit all the time.

Green Missile, Judgement, and Turnips are balanced because not getting the best RNG has lack luster results.
Green Missile will just get you some more distance while recovering
Judgement will sometimes freeze too, but will plenty of times it can do nothing or even heal the opponent.
And Turnips will just be throwable items and very rarely does she throw out a bomb or Mr. Saturn.
The Hero, doesn’t have many bad or mediocre options. The only bad spell really is Kamakazi, which is still useful when you are up/tied. And even then, he can still choose to use Snooze, Psych Up, Smash you, and plenty of other options.

Put yourself in the shoes of the opponent facing someone good with the Hero.
Do you risk approaching and then losing a stock? Do you camp and hope he doesn’t out camp you or Snooze or Bounce? Do you smash before they can become metal, blocking you? Do you predict that and risk getting BTFO by the several KO options he has?
At least with Bayonetta, you could at least 100% put yourself at some advantage. The Hero can just RNG out of 99% of situations, and he has plenty of fall backs if he isn’t lucky.

>Maybe
It's not a maybe, Look. At. His. Fucking. Moveset.

What is this hoes mad thing and why is it related to dragon quest?

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>zones you out with standard projectile
>spams his menu until he gets a free attack buff/reflector/more powerful projectile/sleep spell

>oh shit im off stage wat do!?!?!?!?!?!?
>press up b and come back on stage or
>open the command menu and hope I get zoom or i fucking die!
Zoom is fucking worthless.

People played Robin? Being a FE rep hurt it's hype really hard, despite being the rare white hair not 100% sword breed of FE

Dude, I was talking about Zoom. If you are out far enough, sure you might not get hit, but imagine if you were right next to the stage. All it takes it getting intercepted and your recovery is gone. You also aren't invincible on landing on the stage. Also, Zoom is a big gamble. Opening the spell menu off stage means that you have to pick something, because you can't shield to close it. If Zoom isn't there, then it means choosing something and casting again and hoping you have time before you die. People will SD trying to Zoom.

DUDE

LITERALLY FREE HEALS FOR NOTHING

LMAO

>b-but it costs MP
>MP that recharges when you hit, get hit, or run away

We'll have to wait and see. People thought joker was mid tier on release and we all know how that turned out

Because there's no rng with Shulk on top of his great range. Along with the ability to show up far more easily in future smash games because he's not a guest fighter.

oh no no no....
Did we pretend to like DQ ever since the announcement for nothing???

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>Bring yo constructive criticism about hero
>Zoom Zoom Hoes mad x24

Hoes mad is some dumb song.

>Not the Sarah shit either.
A man of taste and culture.

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>Kills at 0% with an uncharged F-smash with Psych Up
Yeah not broken at all. What the fuck was Sakurai thinking?

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are there webms of their movements?

everyone is cucked, he literally can do stuff 70% can do.

Cloud WAS DLC, and came with two songs, so that doesn't explain shit.

BASED

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twitter meme born from people being salty about Hero being in Smash. don't think too much about it 'cause it's not that complicated

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>Sword characters are generally very good unlike heavies, and sword characters w/ PROJECTILES and REFLECT and straight up random crits is about as busted as you can get.

Robin dominating the Smash scene!

Not compared to DQ.

>cope
>copara
>capaga
>capaja

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That's....I mean it's better than nothing I guess...

No to mention we have literally no idea how often Critical Hits will even appear.
AND Sakurai only used Smash Attacks, so CH could be exclusive to only Smash Attacks.
ALSO Forward Smash has a ton of endlag

>hero but with no projectile
Yeah he's getting cut since Hero is clearly Sakurai's favorite and we don't need both animes

>The people who defend Hero are twitter users raiding Yea Forums
Sounds about right

They should give the spells unique icons rather than just their names

That's bad localization for ya. Even the DQ3 fantranslation did a better job at it.
It's a huge reason why it's not popular in the west.

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Zoom is likely to be a last ditch effort, when you're gimped too far away from the stage, so it's mostly just a random chance to make a comeback.

Sakurai literally says only smash attacks

i mean is like 25% probability to get a Zoom
>Down B, didn't get Zoom
>Air dodge
>Down B, again, get Zoom
No matter where you are, you are SAFE if you get the chance to use it.

The Belmonts have crits? A long list of random spells with assorted utilities from their downb, including a passive reflector, Jiggly's Sing, and a teleport? One of the highest recoveries in the game?

All your saying with that argument is you lack any critical thinking skills

Music selection will be fine, it's the fact they will be MIDI FUCKING SONGS is insulting.

I would beat you with minimal effort but you tried your best so that's all that counts.

Fat porn ass.

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Thanks.

Mr. Game and Watch already had this mechanic

read

I really like the SMT spell naming style. Not sure why, I just do.

Roy, (our boy!) taking all the wins in super smash melee!

I lost the game to RNG DUDE

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>>COCK-A-DOODLE-DOO
>>KAFUDDLE
>>SPELL CHECKER

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i'm fucking livid.
> Here's Robin! he has spells from his series, but they're limited in uses. They have several upgrades in his original game but you will only have the Thunder ones. Fuck you.
> Here's Hero! he has spells from his series, 50 of them. You can access them all via MPs that you can refill! What do you mean it's the same thing?
> What? Robi-who now? Sorry it's so sad, if only Robin could have been as cool as hero. But you know, it's to stay true to the series! Limited uses (less than half of what the actual tomes can do), having two Chroms in the battlefield and no connexions to Grima whatsowever... y'know, we did our best with him, i swear!

i fucking hate this fucking game. more than 1000+hours spent on the only goddamn character i ever wanted and he just gets cucked by some random fucking DLC. Fuck me.

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Judge isn’t balanced either

>"We don't have much budget"

Got a laugh out of me. Sakurai seems like a nice guy.

This ones broken, so it's different :)

>RNG-based character

And it was at that moment people realized, Sakurai hadn't changed at all. He's still just as out of touch and delusional as he was during his Smash 4 days. Maybe Smash just isn't meant to be a competitive game. Maybe Smash just isn't a GOOD game.

It was at that moment the Smashfags actually took a shower and turned their lives around.

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imagine playing as male Robin.

>TWHOMP
>WAN WAN
>PAKU PLANT
All from Mario. Both are family friendly games with a comedic tone. Which is why Dragon Quest fits Smash, but Final Fantasy + Disney fanfic doesn't. Now fuck off.

>Air dodging offstage

You will die before you can even act again if you do it below or at the ledge hight

But you are right, you can get gimped, but if you are that close to the stage just use Up-B.

When do all the other RPG characters (Pokemon, FE, Shulk, etc) get critical hits?
They all have them in their home games too.

dragon-quest.org/wiki/Cock-a-doodle-doo

Neutral airdodges hardly have any lag

>Greater speed boost then Shulk

Yeah... Except he has to literally stop in place to get it. And it's RNG to even be available. And it costs mana.

NEUTRAL air dodge

It's a two-word simple response that makes anyone arguing with you look like they're retarded like "u mad" or "have sex" and it's spammable enough to derail threads like that "keep saying it" shit whenever dunkey gets mentioned

Of course Yea Forums runs it into the fucking ground

You dumbasses, Hero's Smash attacks are already powerful and will only have any real effect on very specific early percents. I doubt they'll be much stronger than Chrom's smashes, so in most cases you'd be dead regardless of whether the crit happens.

Marth's final smash is literally a critical hit ;)

Zoom can be handy on larger maps and when you get launched farther than you can reach with Up B.
It’s better to open up the menu when you can’t possibly reach anyways, then to just die. And the fact that the Hero even has that option is insanely broken. Not even the villager has a last resort option when he can’t reach.

>Better stone than Kirby
How so? Kaclang cannot be used offensively as far as I know. Kirby can fly and drop from above using Stone to land some neat kills or break shields.

>Do you risk approaching and then losing a stock? Do you camp and hope he doesn’t out camp you or Snooze or Bounce? Do you smash before they can become metal, blocking you? Do you predict that and risk getting BTFO by the several KO options he has?

This can literally all be said about Hero as well because it's completely random what spells he has. Simple as that. He's 100% cheese. If I'm playing Hero, I can't think stuff like "okay, I'm gonna camp him out with bounce, then I'm going to use Snooze, then I-" because at this point I've had to open up the menu and navigate to the right choice, something that is inherently gimped by human reaction time, or I've already been rushed down because I kept rerolling and couldn't find the spell I wanted in time.

He'll be able to do some funny stuff, but he's so inconsistent, there's no way he'll be used much at high level. If a top player is trying to win a tournament for money, why would they bet their winnings on RNG?

Watch he turns out to be low tier piece of shit. You fucking crybabies.

>Single handedly BTFO Jannies who deleted Erdrick threads, Soracucks and rosterfags in general AND tryhards who UNIRONICALLY play a party game competitively.

COPE, ESTO ES EL FIN, WE FUCKING WON, DILATE HARDER RESETRANNYS.

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Dragon Quest fans are extremely happy that /ourboy/ made it in and
Stevefags are eternally assroasted

Reminder, Sakurai said Oof on the direct.

Because he is slow as shit and nothing in his tool set makes up for it. Spells are limited even when they are shitty.

Thank you. It's like people didn't even watch the fucking video.

When does he come out again? Today, right? Any idea what time?

>this ones broken
What is Lucina
What is Roy
What is Young Link
What is Swordfighter
What is Ike

I went to look up what some of the spells were about and I got this.
Is DQ3 usually this cute?

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this is what people don't seem to get. The RNG makes it a red mage situation, where if it got spells of the same power and cost as everyone else it would just be strictly worse due to how hard it is to set up. It needs to be POWERFUL options to justify sifting through menus and to make people worried about rushing you.

If all they had to fear from rushing you were some generic specials from robin or jiggs then nobody would care. They HAVE to be strong.

It's honestly based

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>Yea Forums actually gets hit by random smash attacks in neutral
>Yea Forums is actually too fuckin dumb to see the telegraphed move in the menu and avoid whatever it is when Hero literally has to stand still to use it
>blames it on m-muh rng
lmao

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So Hero is basically THE For fun character right?

Lol

>SEETHE
>SEETHLE
>KASEETHE

>COPE
>COPLE
>COPUDDLE

>YIKES
>YIKLE
>YIKACLE

>HAVE SEX
>COCK-IN-DOODLE-DOO

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Arsene is only invincible at the start of the up B. His recovery is one of the easiest to 2 frame because of that.

>Better stone than Kirby
Have to fiddle through menus to use it and it's random when you get it

>Better charge than samus
Samus's charge shot is a kill move

>Better buff than Incineroar
The attack boost is wasted if you whiff and can't be used to punish projectiles or predictable moves

>Better recovery than Arsene Joker
No invincibility frames or hit box above him

I bet youre fun to be around

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Eh. That's not fair. Robin was an amazing design when he came out, and even if he's not the most powerful character he's still really unique. Even with the standard Smash autism rage against FE characters, few people want to cut Robin. I wish he was better, but he's unique, he feels fun and he's more or less well designed.

The only issue I have with him is how goddamn slow they made him. Which seems to be what FE:Warriors and FEH then tailored him off... Robin was fucking fast in his game! He was a monster!

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>a game about attacking each othe
Wrong, retard. The game is about making people touch the blast zone, using whatever means you have possible, random or deterministic.

Stop thinking the "THING EVERYONE SHOULD DO" is "Attacks" and only ATTACK

Defensive/Counterattack options are completely viable if you can make your opponent hit the blast zone.

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>The Science fiction anime can't exist with the fantasy anime. Despite already doing so with FE
Might as well cut Link and Captain Falcon since they're to anime

>COCK-A-DOODLE-DOO is actually a real spell
holy shit

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I think some are good to keep in their simple and familiar loadouts (Mario, Captain Falcon, Fox), but overall I agree; Samus and Ganondorf are especially the most in need of a major moveset overhaul IMO. Ganondorf sticks out to me more because he's a primary entity in a major Zelda series yet he's still just a clone of a character from an entirely different fucking franchise (and now cribbing equally unfitting sword swings from other fighters, which is the shittiest band-aid possible).
It's basically a new and character specific form of LE EPIC SALT XD posting. But I say, let it run its course on Yea Forums so it can die a swift death. Worked against Plantfags.

>all these smash fags polluting up my dragon quest

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WHERE THE FUCK IS IT NINTENDOOOOOOOOOOO

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I like how people are freaking out about Command, either that it's too powerful or that it's going to be worthless. I wonder if anyone has considered that maybe it will end up being ignored? The other B moves are more then powerful enough to make the character viable I feel.

>Can recover from anywhere
>Has RNG critical hits
>Has multiple ways to kill at 0%
>Has a fucking HEAL
>Has a sleep inducing projectile
>Has a passive reflector
>Has disjoints up the ass
>Can buff his movement speed
>Can buff his damage output
>Restores MP by breathing
Broken as fuck. If he gets a stock lead he basically wins. What a stupid character.

ESTO ES EL FIN, EMBLEMA DE FUEGO.
Rise up my bros!

Hours away numbskull

RNG isn't fun user. If they removed his crits and allowed you to cycle between non random menus, then yes, that would be fun
Hope that you have fun not being able to use kamikaze just because the game said so

All the Robinfags must be salty as fuck now. Sakurai just flat out Thanos’d Robin from the game.

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Will you still be able to play the Joker spirit board when the Hero one is released?

in 11 hours, based on previous updates and Nintendo Europe saying July 31st

So this is bad, right? Like, this is actually going to kill the competitive scene, right?

I REALLY didn't want this to be an RNG hero. I really thought Sakurai learned from his mistakes. He REALLY doesn't want Smash to be a competitive game.

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The issue is that the great spells are held back by having to get them from a list of either mediocre or good ones. Especially when you consider you don't want every spell in every situation. If you could get them perfectly at your choosing that'd be one thing, but the RNG holds him back and balances him.

I also think he'll probably wind up being one of the highest skill floor AND skill ceiling characters in the game because of this, he's got a lot of options and it'll take a lot to get full use out of him. Hero is a high performance machine.

Which means most people will suck with him and be unable to get much value from anything he has.

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>HAVE SEX
>COCK-IN-DOODLE-DOO

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To fuck with torneyfags
Sakurai has been doing that since brawl

UUUUGH....BROS....I CANT UUUUUUUGH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH VERONICA CUNNY YUMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>"wow look at this list of OP shit he can just pull out of his ass, I'm sure he has a severe weakness to offset it right?"
>"Oh he can't do it at will, he has to stop in place and literally be lucky enough to get the right options at the right time. And it literally costs his resource to recover. Fair enough, sounds good."

the random spell menu looks pretty fun
random crits not so much

>Critical Hits give a multiplier of somewhere around 1.9x. Maybe 1.85x
>only one character has this quirk
>It's not broken
>Just don't get hit bro

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???

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Obviously, you'll probably just get to choose which one when opening the menu.

This

Later today numbskull

Patch 4.1 is gonna come out in just two weeks and nerf him to the fucking ground. Even then he'll probably still be at LEAST high tier. Soracucks and tourneyfags BTFO

Yes, LATER today.

Even without crit.
Mains better start hoping for Robin buffs in 4.0

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Yes user, that will still be the 30th in 11 hours. It will be midnight for Europe though.

He restores MP over time and by hitting or getting hit. And the fact that it's random doesn't make it any better.

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I think we can all agree that this is a pretty based post

>cast thwack on someone with 10% damage
>instantly stock them
>player has disconnected

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>passing up a free heal, projectile shield, speed buff, or attack buff while your opponent is recovering/respawning

Nah, it'll be pretty core to his kit

While I agree that Hero isn't innately broke like people are speculating, Incineroar has the problem of being one of the slowest characters in the game with a rather mediocre recovery weighing him down.

>he complains about counters

Actually have a brain in your head and learn when to throw out your moves properly. You can bait counters easily.

MOTHERFUCKING
CONFIRMED

you know a day is 24 hours long, right?
the uk site says 31st, so it won't be out until the day rolls over for them

>that sora fag

FUCKING LMAO

Watch the video dipshit. Sakurai kills at 0% with psyche up, and thwack can kill at 0% too.
youtube.com/watch?v=ciLEX04BVFM

A huge problem is that iirc once you roll the move you can actually use you have to use it then and there, cause switching out will just reroll the moves. Yeah some of the moves look OP as fuck but I think it balances out on needing stupid high luck and situational awareness to make use of a lot of them

Look at his screen. He's holding towards the blastzone retard

>It's all random
Have fun rolling dice until you get the spell you want. Hope you're good at menuing too because even a little bit of hesitation will result in rushdown.

Mid tier at best.

You can definitely DI that though?
It even says in post
You don't know how to read.

That would make sense but Sakurai doesn't always exercise good judgment.

I don't care about the spell names, they've got charm to them and suit a light-hearted game series like DQ.

It's the dumb accents that put me off.

Robin's a killing machine in his original game. He just got completely fucked in Smash for no reason. There's not even a single connexion with Grima to define his character and all his spells are dumbed-down versions of what they really are. Like Nosferatu looks and does nothing like the game version where mages can suck your life points from across the map. Here not only you got three uses only, but you have to be right next to the guy; and you're punished by death for even using it in the air.

i'm just convinced Sakurai hates Robin mains and wants them gone.

God that day produced so much salt.

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Okay no but like

This is going to kill Ultimate.

Like, there's no question about it. This is Bayo all over again. This game is going to be un-fucking-playable when he drops.

You have two regular projectiles. Open menu when you have advantage

Is it worth it to just buy the season pass now or do I just buy him individually? The latter means I have to fight off the vultures on the eShop who will make it impossible to go in and buy him for a while.

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>Competitive Smash babbies mad
Get dabbed on.

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Castlevania is full of great music

imagine the smell

Fully charged smash and no DI. Still, 50% and killed from middle of the stage. A single crit at anything above 0 should kill from anywhere on most tournament legal stages.

idiot

If you're really worried about getting hit by a fully charged fsmash, even if it is a crit, then you are absolute garbage at this game.

This didnt age well

>ok no but like

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reddit

What is even the point of Zoom when you might need to cycle through multiple menus before you can get to it? No one would ever rely on that.

I'd say just wait. Joker was lame and Banjo looks like he's gonna be low tier at best.

>Zoom is such an OP move guys you can literally recover FROM ANYWHERE
>Only to get smash attacked straight off stage again because it's predictable as fuck

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>Fully charged smash

So Palutena is just cucked out of her specials now huh

stop typing like a retarded nigger faggot

Chieffags weren't salty though.

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Yes. Don't get hit with a full charged Forward Smash. You are actually trash if you get hit with a fully charged forward smash
And you know what? Sometimes, the Forward Smash won't apply a Critical Hit

So all in all, if you get hit with a fully charged Forward Smash, you are actually trash.
And if you get hit with a fully charged forward smash that's crit-ed, then you are unlucky and you fucking suck

Tiers literally dont matter in casual play.

How so?

I just watched it (at 5:00), his fully charged crit make him go from 0 to 50%, definitely not enough for a OHK, it's just that the other chaacter wasn't being controlled.

>immediately assuming I'm arguing against people because I posted the clip for people to look at instead of remembering incorrectly and pulling details out of their ass
Quit getting this defensive, jesus fuck.
I just replied to the first decent post I saw referencing this shit directly.

Imagine using Zoom and smashing your head onto the bottom of Battlefield because your hair clipped the edge

He has multiple general buff moves that don't leave from getting hit and a heal that is only useless at 0%, he has a decently high chance of always having something usable regardless of reroll

Forget Palutena

Think about Mega Man.

>you have to use it then and there,
Not all moves. Not to mention, some are ligering effects.

NIGGA JUST DON'T GET HIT BY ANY OF HIS SMASH ATTACKS OR SPELLS LMAO

Yes, that was fully charged. When your character stops shaking, it's done. Holding it past that is just in case your timing is wrong, or you are waiting for a wake up or roll.

>Ok no but like

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MAH NIGGA

YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH I GRINNED WHEN HE DIRECTLY SAID "KING OF BRAVES"

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Yep. A lot of the interactions are silly, especially the minor flavor ones. I once flipped a coin and it ended up hitting my priestess in the head.

to get back on the fucking stage no matter where you are outside of it.

>Bounce
>Mega can't do shit

Man, It's a bad day to be a Megaman player.

>Robin
>Reflect
>Crits
>Good projectiles

Heal is the only one that's lame because it just makes matches go on for longer than necessary. Snooze won't be easy to hit. Hitting someone with a projectile requires generally good positioning, and that's hard to do when you're standing in place and menuing.

Seething

Haha get fucked kiddies hahahahha

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>h-home run derby was in the files

BTFO

This is going to make big characters even more fucking useless. It's stupid how unbalanced this game is.

>3 gaming icons with super recent games hanging
>a character who will be cut without question next game
You people lack any foresight

I would'a legitimately been annoyed if they'd given Robin ties to Grima. Robin's connection to Grima is only through his bloodline and destiny, it's not like he ever actually uses Grima's power or anything through the game, he has no special abilities or skills based on it. He's just literally meant to be a shell Grima was supposed to occupy.

To me, Robin's character is defined by his work as a Tactician, which is shown by the variance in his fighting style and his role as something of a "magic swordsman". I mean, he can't even cast Nosferatu in his canon class in the base game.

I wish Robin was faster and more powerful, sure. But there's nothing insulting or wrong about his design, it's a great work capturing the character elements.

4Head

>get crit at 0
>launches you clean off the stage at 10% and puts you up to 40%
>you have good recovery though, so not too worried
>he jumps out and hits you close to the ledge with his back air because you didn't expect them to read you recovering high
>it crits
>still could've made it back easily but now you die at 40% because RNG

?

The problem won't even so much be Hero, but rather TOs who will collectively be cowards just like they wrote with Smash 4 Bayonetta, and refuse to say or do anything again.

>next game

>>it crits

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As if I couldn't use 3 any harder then I already was. Time for some fucking WILL KNIFE! A shame that Pizza isn't voicing anyone.

Use your disjoined aerials?

Can we FINALLY fucking cut Robin? He offers nothing now and nobody will use him because hes just a garbage version of Goku

Rapes you

I'm pretty sure the consensus here is that only his Smash Attacks Crit

Can we calm down here for just a minute? I think there's absolutely no doubt that hero is strong, and looks easily high tier.
I think people are over-reacting (As usual) about him being broken.
His basic toolkit is very promising and has a lot of strength.I think where people are getting anxious is his Down B.
Down B is completely randomj, and of all the spells listed, Oomph, Psyche Up, Kamikaze, and Mega Magic are the only good ones. People may want to argue that Zoom is good, but you have to remember that you're sacrificing your actual recovery, which is already super fucking good, for a CHANCE at Zoom.
I don't think people are taking into account how much micromanaging Hero will need either. You're not going to have time or free reign to pick whatever down B special you want. Opponents will keep pressure on you, which is why his base kit is what matters. But with that being said, his base kit looks really solid. So yeah, High tier easily, but I think people are blowing this way out of proportion.

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>it's not broken as long as your opponent ONLY uses FULLY CHARGED smash attacks
>I'm going to pretend like crits only activate on fully charged smash attacks and that smashes are not already your universal kill move that your going to go for every match.

The only way this is even slightly concerning to Mega Man is if Hero can attack during Bounce (I can't remember if he did during the video), it won't be much more unreasonable than dealing with Rob's side-B.

They should just cut FE from the game entirely.

Actually tragic

No, if you have projectiles you HAVE to use them, even if your opponent has a flashing sign on them that says 'DON'T FUCKING SHOOT ME."

>Cutfag is ELS
Not very surprising.

What's a TO?

Not until they back out on the "Everyone is here" gimmick, which they won't (at least for this game)

>He'll likely have to relegate to a campy playstyle and react to the opponent's moves rather than rush in and land these big dick hits.

Sakurai even kept his battle style turn-based.

Based.

This game has too many stupid-ass JRPG swordsman. All of them are broken, all of them are not balanced, all of them are fucking not interesting nor unique. This game needs more off the walls crazy fucking characters, like PP.

If you were paying attention and weren't a doomposting retard, you would have noted crits only work on smash attacks.

He can. It's literally a Franklin Badge for Hero. Lasts about 10 seconds as well.

Oomph: raises attack power. 40% with fully charged forward smash damage. 16 MP
Pysche up: raises attack power for 1 HIT, kills at 64.1% with a uncharged Forward Smash. 14 MP
Bounce: reflects projectiles last about 10 seconds. 14 MP
Heals: reduce damage. 7 MP
Flame slash: attacks wide area. 22% damage. 12 MP
Kacrackle Slash: freezes opponent. 13% damage. 11 MP
Acceleratle: increases speed, 11 MP
Kaboom: projectile explosion, 2% first hit, 28% total. 37 MP.
Snooze: projectile that puts opponent to sleep. 16 MP
Thwack: can 1HKO, higher chance with higher percentage. 30 MP
Zoom: Recover from ANYWHERE. 8 MP
Kaclang: Invincible for limited time. 6MP
Metal slash: One-hit ko metal oponnent, 6 MP.
Hocus Pocus: random shit. 4MP
Magic Burst: generate a explosion like the Smart Bomb Item. 96 MP
Kamikaze: Extremly powerful explosion. 1 MP

Did it fast, probably wrong on some parts.
Also, hits get you mana. just watch the video.

Normals. Don't. Crit.

This presentation has really exposed you all as retards, hasn't it?

youtube.com/watch?v=ciLEX04BVFM 5:01.
>Sometimes, Hero's SMASH ATTACKS result in a critical hit.

Do you really think that, if crits could trigger on other attacks, it wouldn't be mentioned? Don't you think there's probably a reason why Sakurai mentioned smash attacks and nothing else?

I know you're probably just baiting but there are others in this thread expressing similar concerns who clearly aren't and are just short a few chromosomes, so hopefully this helps. You're welcome for spoonfeeding.

No, you usually don't get killed below 100%

This.
Still a lot of potential though.

>I clearly did not read
>I clearly did not watch the video
>I clearly do not know that I won't die from uncharged smash crit
You are fucking retarded.

>smashes are not already your universal kill move that your going to go for every match

This is kind of an over-generalization considering how punishable a lot of them are, making them usually a "gotcha bitch" punish option, though there are some that are really safe. (ie: Wolf's high-five) I'm pretty sure back air is bigger killer at higher levels.

Shit ain't anything new. Just a pain in the ass like all of Megaman's match ups against people with reflectors except now they (and Megaman himself) have the benefit of them approaching you.

Imagine wanting to cut off the only non-blue-hair-swordfighter-DORAYAAAH character of the fire emblem series that has his very own unique gameplay and is just fucked over by lazy game design choices that were given specifically to fuck him over.

It's almost like his bias towards JRPG shit leads him to giving them WAY too much or making them WAY too good. Sakurai couldn't balance two 1lbs weights on a scale, even with instructions.

Fucking WATCH, Banjo-Kazooie will be fucking GARBAGE solely because they aren't JRPG weeb trash.

No? You can fuckoff, I will be crushing newfag Heros tonight with Robin because of m y superior intellect and general command of Robins subtleties

>This can literally all be said about Hero as well because it's completely random what spells he has.
Not really.
Imagine in poker, you specifically had the power to manipulate cards, but at certain ranges while setting the community cards, with the only drawback being that you can only set it up in certain ranges (like setting up 3 of a kind to straight), You can only look at 1 of your cards, and needing to pay a little extra, then you also can even do the same afterwards with the 2 other cards.
Another actual case would be Landorus-I (The genie one, not the Smogon Lion).
Lets’s say that your opponent gets it onto the field, and the only thing that can check it on your team is Weavile and your Chansey is out.
Do you predict him using Knock Off so your Weavile can even go in? Do you predict he will predict and keep your Chansey in when they could easily make your Chansey worthless with Knock off or Calm Mind? Ect.
The fact that Landorus-I is forcing the prediction on you, while not needing to predict much himself and crippling/KOing threats against him is what made him get banned on Smogon.
And let’s also not forget about Melee Fox. While Melee Fox isn’t broken, he is still obviously the best character without question. Why? It isn’t one move, its the fact that Fox has so many options good your opponent has to predict and that you (the player playing as Fox) can abuse, putting the pressure on them.
Similarly, The Hero can just pull out a number of spells, most of which are useful, and the drawbacks are too small.
Even if the hero does get a bad set of spells from his down B, he can just easily roll again, or just simply use already good RNG moves. The fact that he can 0 to Death you with ONE move is already fucking broken of an idea. Imagine telling people that there would be a character who can make you lose a stock at 0 on even mid weights with just 1 Smash attack.

The hero just needs way more downsides like more useless spells.

None of those characters you mentioned are broken as fuck.

>Fucking WATCH, Banjo-Kazooie will be fucking GARBAGE solely because they aren't JRPG weeb trash.
I mean, Banjo is trying to stay true to his game
I respect that

God I hope that happens, user.

t. Seething Soracuck

Hero isn't broken as fuck

>>Persistent projectile deflector that you can preform other moves with while active
Its trash, and you can't use it when you want, it's random.
>>Random Crits
Yes, this is actually bullshit, but not a big deal. Smash attacks aren't used very often.
>>Great Recovery
A lot of characters have good recovery, unless you mean ZOom. Zoom is shit compared to swoosh.
>>DSpecial is a giant arsenal of OP shit
No, it isn't. Barely any of them are good.n OOmph, Psyche Up, Mega Magic, and Kamikaze are basically the only good ones. AND theyre all fucking random.
>>MP is barely restrictive and regens over time
MP is very restrictive. The average cost seemed to be around 25-30.

>The attack boost is wasted if you whiff
It's not. Your other points are fine, but this one's wrong.

>Hocus Pocus: random shit. 4MP
I think people will really be sleeping on this spell. Considering it did the clock item effect, this could literally be any item that gives a buff or debuff. Imagine someone taking the chance on this and getting a mushroom? Or a fucking lightning bolt? Yeah, you could get a detrimental effect, but this could give you a huge advantage far beyond any of the other spells because it might not even matter your positioning.

I sure hope so. Banjo had no business in Smash anyways.

>banjo is garbage on release
>gets buffed as a result over time
sounds good to me

I don't know why they put so many FE characters in Smash. Like it makes no sense

>I won't die from uncharged smash crit
A crit will kill a lot earlier than a non-crit. That's the fucking point. That's how critical hits work. Hero's smashes would have to be utterly trash for crits to not be OP

>Magic Burst: generate a explosion like the Smart Bomb Item. 96 MP

It's actually all of your remaining MP. So if you have max, it will use 100. It's damage should also vary based on amount used.

MP isn't restrictive at all when in the video he recovered 10 MP from just one hit.

>fully charged crit smash attack launches as far at 0% as a non-crit uncharged smash does at 92%
Sure can't wait to die at 40-60 depending on weight because I committed the grave sin of getting hit.
What if his up or down smash are stronger?

>implying
16 Moves on Down-B, 25% that you get the spell you want.
other B moves have 3 variations.
How can you not consider this broken?
NO OTHER CHARACTER HAS THIS MANY OPTIONS.

Oh fuck
Star Power

He says the effect lasts until your attack finished, EVEN IF YOU MISS