This is genuinely one of the worst RPGs I've ever played.
Combat is a complete joke and even bosses go down after just a few attacks. Nothing in this game can even remotely pose a threat to you, yet it insists on assaulting you with random encounters every few steps.
But what irked me most me was how godawful the writing is. FF6 is a game that clearly wants players to be invested in the story, yet it never bothers to give any of the characters a real emotional stake in that story. Terra, ostensibly the protagonist, spends almost the entire game in a fugue state and going 'what's going on? aw, my amnesia, aw, my head'. At one point, Banon, the rebel leader, even asks her if she wants to help the rebellion. You can in fact answer no to this question, and if you do it repeatedly, the game actually accepts this answer. Guess what? The game completely ignores your answer and just continues with Terra helping the rebels. How on earth did they go with this script? FF6 is a story where the protagonist literally does not give a shit, so why should the player?
All of the characters ring completely hollow. Cyan is introduced, and within minutes his kingdom and family is poisoned to death, and, minutes later he's cracking jokes about being an old geezer who's clumsy with Magitek mech, and we are supposed to take him seriously as a character and emphatize with him. Edgar, a literal king, joins the rebels, yet there's not a single line of dialogue in the game where he expresses any doubt or hesitation or other human emotion about abandoning the safety of his station. All of the characters are complete caricatures and it's impossible to take the story seriously as a result.
I have no idea why this game is regarded as the 2nd best rpg of all time (the first one being Chrono Trigger, another massively overrated piece of shit, but that's a rant for another time).
No idea, I hated it too OP. Then I played 7 and it's one of my all time favorite games.
Anthony Morris
>Expecting quality game design or narrative from a FF game >Being literally that autistic to not get a few lighthearted jokes You're that kind of clueless faggot who believes Zelda "lore" is a thing, are you?
Nah it’s great, it just so happens that 4 and 5 are both better though.
Christian Sullivan
How the fuck can you can complain about those sort of narrative things and think FFVII is any better. Point me an some nuance in another comparable RPG that does it better. Or don’t, if you’re only getting round to playing ffvi now then you’re probably a lost cause anyway.
Ethan Mitchell
People only pretend to like it because they're contrarian faggots who are butthurt about FFVII, which is an objectively better game.
Jordan Perez
Pretty much this, it's explosion in popularity came after it became cool to hate FFVII, and people needed another FF to latch onto as the best. VI got good reviews when it came out, but it wasn't a cultural phenomenon or anything. Nobody cared about it until the 2000's.
Then it became so widely agreed that it's the best that contrarians needed a new game to seem cool with which led to V being called the GOAT for a few years.
VI is an ok game, but it's painfully easy, some of the dungeon design is tedious garbage, and there is really is nothing special about it.
Bentley Campbell
liking FF6 is "contrarian" now. what the fuck lmao
Colton Peterson
>objectively Stop using words you don't know the meaning of.
Daniel Kelly
Imagine being this autistic that you write an essay about a game you didn't like that was released back in fucking '94.
Levi Myers
You couldn’t be more fucking wrong btw. Guess how I know you were neither playing games seriously in the 90s and sure as fuck not reading gaming magazines.
Evan Baker
>IX >still the best FF It was never even a good FF or game
Matthew James
okay :)
Joshua Sanchez
>Why is FF6 so highly regarded? large cast of diverse characters, can make your own party, casually fun esper system, lot of content, substantial non-linear segments. >Combat is a complete joke only mildly moreso than PSX games, and in some ways it's better (four characters, not retardedly slow like FF9, and the 2D format is really more natural for this style of combat than 3D) >But what irked me most me was how godawful the writing is. SNES games all have more succinct, compact stories than later RPGs. If you want to judge them fairly you have to take that into account, because the positive benefit of this style of writing is that you wind up with a vastly better ratio of gameplay to cutscenes. Unlike later RPGs where you spend 20% of the game doing nothing but watch cutscene events, FFVI that stuff is probably less than 10% of your playtime at most. So yes the writing in FF6 isn't as good as you might have heard, if you're expecting lengthy and elaborate stories like FF9. But for my part, I fucking HATE FF9's storytelling because it's so slow and tedious for how much subtlety and content there actually is to tell. It just feels so bloated and playing it is such a chore.
Carson Brooks
FF6 is the best game in the series.
FF7 is overrated.
Thread is over.
Also, FF8 is the worst 3D game.
Kevin Ramirez
Chrono Trigger, FF7 and FFX are better than 6. I said it. FF6 is better than 4. X-2 is the worst game in the series.
FF7>FFX>FF6>FF4>FF9>FF8>
William James
also I want to say that FF6 isn't my favorite FF or anything I just understand why people love it so much (and it's not just to "look cool after FF7 came out").
Jonathan Bell
>I played a 20 years old game and I didn't like it, here's why
Levi Lee
X-2 has great gameplay, so it can't be the worst in the series. Honestly, 15 is the worst. Or the original Famicom version of 2.
Aaron Phillips
lots of 20 year old games are better than modern games and FFVI is one that gets brought up a lot.
Brayden Miller
FF7 and FFX are the dude bro FF games for people who have only played those 2 games.
I would use a lot of phrases to describe FFX but "for dudebros" is not one of them
William Sanders
Except I do know what it means. And FFVII has: >an objectively better soundtrack >an objectively better OST >an objectively better story >objectively better characters >objectively better gameplay >objectively better bosses >objectively better villain If you don't agree with this, you are objectively wrong and are one of the top 10 biggest faggots in the world.
Lucas Taylor
>▶
FF15 isn't a Final Fantasy game.
Jose James
FFX is for girls and little boys
Nicholas Anderson
I started at FF4. Ive played all of them in order of release except the OG 1-3.
FF4, 6 7 8 9 X are the only ones i completed, i gave up on X2, 12, 13 and have not played a FF game since 13.
If the FF7 remake is garbage im basically done with them as a studio and nothing is pulling me back into squaresoft/square enix games unless they remake bushido blade and parasite eve 1/2
Carter Walker
>I played a 20 years old game and I didn't like it, here's why What does age have to do with it? RPGs even older than FF6 had writing on par with actual literary works.
>large cast of diverse characters While I appreciate the idea to make characters diverse, all the ideas they had for characters' gameplay gimmicks are terrible. Shit like Cyan's Bushido, which requires you to tediously wait for it to charge, is downright awful to use. And all these gimmicks end up trivializing the game even further, since they deal massive damage and don't require any MP.
>can make your own party No, you can't. You don't create your own characters, the characters are pre-defined. And for a large part of the game you aren't even allowed to choose which to use, the game forces you to use specific characters.
>casually fun esper system What's fun about it? All it does is make party members more homogenous by giving everyone access to the same abilities.
>lot of content, Most of the content consists of reading terrible dialogue and walking through corridors and fighting braindead random encounters.
>substantial non-linear segments. Hardly. FF6 basically follows the same structure as every other jrpg. The bulk of the game is completely on rails, and then, somewhere during the 2nd half, you get access to an airship and you finally get to freely explore the world you were forced to traverse in a linear fashion prior to that.
Kevin Lewis
VI and VII are roughly about as good as the other, the only thing VII has that VI doesn't is its larger CD format, which makes it longer, but it also hurts it n some aspects, like retardedly long summon animations that can't be skipped.
tl;dr VI = VII, same shit different platforms.
Brayden Ross
Characters in FF9 actually have character development unlike FF7 tell me how Barret developed.
Tyler Williams
>yet there's not a single line of dialogue in the game where he expresses any doubt or hesitation or other human emotion about abandoning the safety of his station
Literally brought up many times. Please play the game you're complaining about.
Ryder Phillips
>Characters in FF9 actually have character development
>Freya >Amarant >Quina
Robert Brown
vi vanilla has large amounts of problems. play it with the brave new world patch to fix its gameplay.
John Scott
How? Actual gameplay mechanics in FF5 give you far more choice than any other FF. If plot or characters is your main reason for deciding if a videogame is good or not, you don't actually like videogames, you just want an interactive movie.
Jonathan Watson
>tell me how Barret developed He came to terms with the fact that his acts of terrorism weren't really altruistic in the name of saving the planet, but rather an outlet for rage and revenge against Shinra and trying to overcome the guilt he feels for Dyne's death/disappearance.
Isaiah Watson
FF8 is good critizes >muh function Is a easy to understand system it's materia lite >muh magic draw actually card enemies or buy items and refine them.
Sebastian Garcia
The FF5 job system gives you choice, but the game is so goddamn easy and simple that it's basically not worth exploring because any setup can beat any enemy effortlessly except for that one dungeon where they literally have to force you to only use magic/physical
Hudson Watson
>ntire game in a fugue state and going 'what's going on? aw, my amnesia, aw, my head'. At one point, Banon, the rebel leader, even asks her if she wants to help the rebellion. You can in fact answer no to this question, and if you do it repeatedly, the game actually accepts this answer. Guess what? The game completely ignores your answer and just continues with Terra helping the rebels. you literally played the first 2 hours of the game lmfao
>Edgar, a literal king, joins the rebels, yet there's not a single line of dialogue in the game where he expresses any doubt or hesitation or other human emotion about abandoning the safety of his station You need to actually play these games user I don't know what to tell you, he and Sabin both didn't want to become king
>any setup can beat any enemy effortlessly I see you didn't actually PLAY THE FUCKING GAME. You aren't beating the boss who regenerates defeated parts if you don't wipe them all at the same time with just any party. You aren't beating Omega with just any party. And you sure aren't beating the game with just any party unless you grind like a motherfucker to compensate for using subpar classes like Chemist.
Hunter Watson
good news, FFXIV is not a real MMO
Nicholas Edwards
that's not the party you have when you fight the phantom train
Matthew Richardson
>NO U Stop projecting your miserable existence on me you imbecile, especially your fucking lard ass.
Isaac Sullivan
>DUDE IT'S NOT EASY LOL, SEE THE SUPERBOSS IS HARD!!!
Isaiah Gutierrez
>This is genuinely one of the worst RPGs I've ever played. kek
Lincoln Fisher
you know I was sort of with you until you said >for using subpar classes like Chemist. lol
anyway you fags need to play fiestas, FF5 is the best FF when you roll jobs randomly
>You aren't beating the boss who regenerates defeated parts if you don't wipe them all at the same time with just any party. You have so many options for AoE from summoners to samurai it's very bold of you to even present this as an argument. >And you sure aren't beating the game with just any party unless you grind like a motherfucker What, you fags always say that the game is perfect because Fiesta proves you can beat it with any class combination but now it's not true anymore? And besides the game being piss easy, it's not like it doesn't promote grinding anyway, movers are a thing specifically designed for that.
Benjamin Lewis
>ignores rest of post I specifically added Omega(optional boss) to see if you would take the bait since you had no argument. And you did. Next time actually play the game you want to whine about.
Oliver Cox
Its probably supremely overrated, but I remember enjoying it when I was a kid.
Christopher Baker
>Combat is a complete joke and even bosses go down after just a few attacks. Nothing in this game can even remotely pose a threat to you, yet it insists on assaulting you with random encounters every few steps
Literally don't overlevel that's fucking it
It irks me how people like you are just not capable to realize such a basic concept by yourselves just because you get thrown into a random encounter it doesn't mean you have to finish it, especially if you feel that you are too overpowered and ESPECIALLY if you feel that there are too much fights you have to do
If the game is too easy for you the way you progressed just skip battles and the difficulty will get hard, and you will actually have to use that hundred+ ability/item carefully and with some actual brainstorming, but of course if you are overleveled you can just spam attack or any strong spell without ever running out of hp/mana/resources. That's a basic design of most random encounter based games.
other than that, FF6 even has an extra "difficulty slider" with the Speed option (it only makes the enemies faster, not you)
>leveling in FF6 >ever mattering Skills and gear make FF6 easy, not leveling. Grinding out spells isn't even necessary to steamroll the game. The only reason to grind magicite in FF6 is to fuck around with cool spells.
Isaac Ward
>Speed option only empowers enemise really? fucking hell, then I played on hard and didnt even know it
Gavin Russell
>If the game is too easy for you the way you progressed just skip battles
>skip battles >in a game with unavoidable random encounters every few steps you take (only in the WoR do they finally give you an accessory to avoid them, but by that point the game is almost over)
t. some pleb who thinks Dancing Mad is the best vidya music ever "cuz its 4 songs in one!"
Landon Parker
Why is ANY FF highly regarded? The stories are all awkward tripe about YE SAVIORE and their MYSTICKE POWERE, and they're pretty much unanimously emotionally-underdeveloped children. Why anybody hails these as great RPGs when most of them aren't the best in their year of release in all likelihood, is beyond me.
No FF is worth the hype it gets.
Zachary Garcia
There is a button called flee that works 99% of the times you press it.
Adam Perry
>more FFVI for me
What does that even mean? Are you sharing the same copy? Was there only a limited supply of this game made and you've been hoarding the majority of it?
Explain yourself. Explain yourself right now.
Dylan Wilson
The gba version is the best one, right?
Dylan Robinson
You can just run from battles. There's also an item in the WoB that reduces random encounters by half, called the Ward Bangle.
And what causes the caused him to condemn his past actions. It seems to come out of nowhere near the end of disc 2.
Dyne should have been set up more. The only signs would be Marlene's skin color and Barret mentions fighting for land he loves after blowing up the first reactor.
David Peterson
>There is a button called flee that works 99% of the times you press it. Sure, but you still have to tediously sit through the animation of characters running away, which can take just as long as just killing the enemies. And you still have the problem of battles interrupting the flow of exploration every few steps.
Besides, running away from battles means going out of your way to actively avoid and skip actual content the game has to offer, which raises the question: why even play the game to begin with?
Nostalgia I guess I dropped FF6 at the opera scene There was nothing interesting about the game, the battles were so fucking braindead even more than in PS1 FF games, I was baffled
Adam Bennett
I adore the size of the game, the music, the cast where no character is REALLY the main character. The game has a lot of memorable pieces and each character, while not necessarily equally useful in combat, is unique, which is cool. The story is enjoyable too. I love that its split between two different worlds, and how open the second half of the game is is cool too. The amount of quality side content is great as well. I miss that in a lot of modern JRPGs. Plus Celes is top 3 FF girls.
>Skills and gear make FF6 easy, not leveling. Your skills depend on your stats which you get by leveling you absolute retard
you realize you can literally run away from battles? It works almost fucking all the time
like this is exactly why you people are so fucking retarded. Such a basic idea doesn't even come to your mind
Bentley Ward
Personally I like my Gau being able to do 39996 damage a turn for free so its not for me.
Connor Torres
>removing 11 and 14 cringe
Evan Green
>the stories are all awkward tripe about YE SAVIORE and their MYSTICKE POWERE 99% of RPG are about those tropes. It's not even the worst part of FF either way, the stories are perhaps the less offensive part.
Dominic Walker
It's well known that japs can barley write characters beyond rule of cool.
Thomas Wood
I played and beat FF6 for the first time a week ago so its not nostalgia. >dropped it at one of the best parts >didnt explore the depth of combat I have a feeling your favorite game atm is fortnite
Zachary Campbell
someone should make this into a chart anyone can edit easily in a web
Isaiah Fisher
>Your skills depend on your stats which you get by leveling you absolute retard Okay retard but the skills have extremely strong damage values to begin with making leveling for stats irrelevant, especially when you get stupidly powerful equipment at the very beginning of the game like earrings and runningshoes. Its okay to admit that you're not as good at the game as you think you are, user.
William Sullivan
Im 32 and have never played fortnite I played Lufia 2 when it was new, beat it 5 times in a row FF6 did nothing for me I probably will give it another chance some day but it was drab and boring
Matthew Rodriguez
FF6 was a well made game for it's time. The story was always silly though
Nathan Smith
I love when games hold up. I replayed Xenogears last year and it was still a fucking amazing experience.
Christian Price
Why does the game give me an overpowered attack that cost 0 mana to use early in the game and the battles turn into using that thing over and over and over The one where that one guy pulls a chainsaw or whataver Its awful game design
Ryan Cooper
>Combat is a complete joke
for today's standards yes but back then it was decent for what it was.
Jacob Johnson
>but back then it was decent for what it was. It wasn't even remotely decent back then either.
Adam Morgan
>FF6 is overrated >FF7 is the best game in the series ftfy
Leo Hall
holly shit, you are fucking stupid
>you still have to tediously sit through the animation of characters running away, which can take just as long as just killing the enemies fleeing is like a half sec long animation. Finishing an average encounter is several ten times longer with you having to sit through several much longer battle animations
>Besides, running away from battles means going out of your way to actively avoid and skip actual content the game has to offer, which raises the question: why even play the game to begin with? because this is exactly how these games are designed you tard. these encounters are infinitely replayable respawns, you don't have to repeat them infinitely just because the game is designed so enemies pop up every ten seconds.
You can chose how you want to progress, and you are the one who literally makes the game shittier for yourself just so you can tell that you didn't enjoy it.
If you had never played DQ before, a JRPG series with actual balance in it, sure.
Carson Butler
>they pretend to like it in order to look cool. Who pretends to like a game to look cool? Who thinks ff6 is cool?
Robert Morales
>Its not an easy game because you can impose arbitrary restrictions on yourself to make it harder These retards should be round up and shot. By saying the game needs restrictions you're admitting the game is fucking easy, you brainless retards.
James Lewis
It gives you way more than just one. More than half the cast has something equivalent, usually better. Chain saw doesn't even AOE.
Mason Martin
don't know what to say other than that you are just plain stupid.
You clearly felt those 'skills/equpment/your characters in general' overleveled because you were already overleveled in general. You even admit that you were retarded, yet you want me to give credit to your bullshit?
it also doesn't fucking matter when you hit a powerspike bump in the game with sudden good gear when you can tune the difficulty the way you want any fucking time. You still don't understand how these games were meant to be played if you bring up shit like this in the first place
Blake Garcia
>Okay retard but the skills have extremely strong damage values to begin with making leveling for stats irrelevant For starters, strength and magic aren't the only two stats. Skills do scale pretty highly off those, making really nice returns for those who use espers to gain extra boosts with levelups. But more importantly, there are other stats that are gained by leveling up that are very important: HP, MP, evasion, magic evasion, hit rate, and speed. The skills can't always compensate for these lower stats (assuming the player is avoiding battles), unless the player uses specific strategies around certain bosses. That's why people like to do low level runs. Chainsaw is a good attack, but it has its downsides. Its high physical damage and 25% at inflicting death status is really good for most random encounters, but awful for bosses and undead, who are immune to that status. Since the weapon doesn't do damage when it inflicts this status, this basically means a 25% chance of doing 0 damage to a boss, which isn't great.
Andrew Gray
Not him but he obviously meant that both of those things are literally the same thing. OST stands for original soundtrack.
Justin Jackson
Ironically I've always thought that the plot and character of V were at least as good as those of IV or VI anyway. But it's a more comedic game, so that must mean they're not as good as the more dramatic games, or something. People are retarded.
Carson Carter
>unless the player uses specific strategies around certain bosses. Well yeah, that's kind of the whole point isn't it? The only thing I can admit is a lot of what makes FFVI easy in this regard is a bunch of unintended bugs.
Nathaniel Ward
FF is not a hard series dude just because it had one hard super boss at the end doesn't mean it's hard, by that default all the games are semi challenging and we both know that's bullshit.
Mason Green
V has a boring simple plot and the characters are barely fleshed out at all. bartz is super boring. lenna is extremely boring. faris is one-note. cara is a non-character.
Jaxson Reyes
>"this game is too easy guys" >"ok, you can do this to give yourself more of a challenge" >"WTF I WON'T DO THAT"
So no more or less fleshed out than in FFVI, really.
Austin Jenkins
What he means is that most FF games have hard bosses that generally wall players who are just mindlessly blowing through battles. Wrexsoul is a good example from FF6, and he's not even an endgame boss.
Dylan Jones
>fleeing is like a half sec long animation
You are lying. Here is a low-level run, I randomly skimmed through the video to search for non-boss battles he ran away from. The first battle I found it took over FIFTEEN seconds to run away, and he was repeatedly hit while trying to do so.
I can make any game challenging by playing it with my feet, or standing on my head, that doesn't improve the core gameplay design with piss poor challenge that I have to go out of my way to impose on the game.
Josiah Wright
4 yes, 6 no
Dominic Parker
Try reading the thread first retard.
Michael Gomez
Woops, the time-mark didn't rgister for some reason. Its at the 29:18 mark.
>What he means is that most FF games have hard bosses that generally wall players who are just mindlessly blowing through battles >hard bosses that generally wall players >FF
Vi is the exact same. It has maybe one or two characters that are good (Setzer), while all the rest are boring and one-note (Terra, Sabin, Edgar, Celes) or even zero-note (Mog, Gogo, Umaro). Its plot is just generic overthrow the evil king shit, no different from V or IV at all.
Ryan Smith
This is correct.
Sabin Cyan Shadow(if you save scummed)
Easton Foster
>ignoring the example I just gave in the post full retard >running from randoms is analogous to playing with your feet Why are you faggots so fucking stupid. Are you trying to be this dumb?
Kayden Howard
Kefka is the worst and lamest villain in all of jrpg history. His entire plot and characterization is literally "wacky clown", he then becomes a clown god and destroys the world for no reason, blah blah life is meaningless im so wacky. He's The Joker in Japanese.
Carter Smith
I don't think I've ever been "walled" by a main story boss in Final Fantasy. I mean, there are gimmick bosses that kill you once and then you learn their gimmick and defeat them, but I can't think of a FF boss that is truly challenging to the point where you'd get stuck.
Maybe Jecht in FFX if you haven't abused any of that game's broken stuff like secret aeons or Mix.
Camden Evans
>an objectively better soundtrack >an objectively better OST Again, stop using words you don't know the meaning of.
The best FF is V because it knows FF plots aren't very good and just tries to have fun with it.
Tyler Hernandez
FFV wasn't even lighthearted or funny until the GBA version
the super famicom version is the same old FF fare
Lucas Jackson
I thought what I played of Tactics actually had a decent story for a change, but then I only got halfway through
Thomas Diaz
Over the years I've come to realise that fans of JRPGs like FFVI are braindead morons suffering from severe cases of dunning kruger. They are unironically more retarded than the empty headed people that enjoy nepshit, but also pretentious as fuck, jumping through insane loops that they wouldn't accept as arguments if used to defend lesser known titles. It's the reason you will see them putting this garbage on a pedestal while shitting on other JRPGs just because they are more "anime" or have "bad writing".
Thomas Jackson
the game with a DBZ fight between armored wizard and turtle wasn't funny until the GBA version?
Brayden Russell
You have one without 11 & 14 crossed out?
Anthony Jones
Tactics is an outlier. Every other FF plot ranges from "passable" (VII, X) to "outright terrible" (IV, VIII)
Jackson Mitchell
is he worst than Sephiroth
Jaxson Sullivan
With or without silly TMNT references added to it?
Wyatt Turner
Say what you want about FFXIV or MMOs in general, but Emet Selch shits on the competition when it comes to villains in Final Fantasy
