Societal Commentary

I thought the Oasis and Robot Man/Ant Woman quests were open ended enough. Sidequests in general weren't really too limited in FO3.

Google "Around ghouls don't be a fool"

>if you get the ghouls in peacefully, the militant one slowly eliminates the humans starting with tenpenny
>the others are indifferent to him doing this
Honestly fucking shocked Bethesda was capable of writing something like that.

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It would never make it into a Fallout game today because it parallels a little too well with what is happening today.

>Force the whites and ghouls to live together
>the ghouls are violent and low iw so they kill the whites
woah todd, what the fuck

>tfw helped the ghouls storm Tenpenny tower
Automatically liked the ghouls far more than anyone in that shitty tower, no one worth saving there.

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>commentary
Wha? It was a military takeover. Me, I likened him more to Gizmo or the conflicts in New Reno.
And honestly, with the majority of ghouls being feral and you having to wear the mask around them despite potentially being their savior, I think maybe the dude is a little bit based for exercising judicious right to use those rotting husks as target practice.

This. Plus the leader of the Ghouls that want to get in is a fucking asshole. I slaughtered them.

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I guess Oasis could sit with Tenpenny but superhero quest was reddit tier Bethesda humor.

wtf I hate niggers even more now

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>Reach a fucking diplomatic agreement between Tenpenny Tower and the Ghouls
>Ghouls fucking murder everyone
>If you kill the ghouls, you lose Karma
Fucking Christ, Bethesda is the most fucking incompetent company

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You put them out of order on purpose, didn't you?

no ghouls. no mutants no N's
truly a paradise of the old world

>several raiders and mutants in the surrounding area
>some even with missile launchers
how is this shithole even still standing

i killed the ghouls out of mercy. there was a ghoul woman down below who was sad that she wasnt pretty anymore. i thought i was doing them a favor by ending their hell

No user, that's an accurate representation of migrants.

Life doesn't work in strict angel or demon terms, brainlet. Good decisions are good in the moment. Not because you know how it turns out forever.

The base of the other side of the building is completely reinforced with metal girders. They're competent enough to fix the damage. Plus they have guards everywhere and Tenpenny just spends his entire day sniping shit at the top of the tower.

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what is this an image for fire ants?

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Really makes you think.

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>get mad that a bunch of people got killed
>get mad that you killing people is viewed as wrong
war never changes

What they did is murder. What you do is vengeance.

Fuck Megaton I blow it up everytime, the only worth of that shitty town is the bubblehead

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It's accurate to real life. People will piss on you for doing something about it.

What they did was payback for forcing them to live in such awful conditions when they had caps to stay in the tower. Some of those ghouls were probably pre-war and were around when the tower itself was built. Tenpenny tower is ghoul clay by right.

What you did is murder as well, doesn't matter what the justification was. Either you're okay with being a murderer for a specified reason or you're a hypocrite.

>Literally the retarded "if you kill them you're just as bad as them" argument that every JRPG boss craps out
No, the punishment for murder is and should always be death. Life for a life. The residents put their prejudices aside and were slaughtered like cattle.

>What you did is murder as well
>the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
>kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation.
By the very definition of the situation, the LW killing the ghouls in a fit of rage isn't murder, it's vengeful homicide and justified within the wastes. All forms of law we've seen across every game would have executed the ghouls as well.

> the punishment for murder is and should always be death
And that's fine by me, but don't try to sugar coat it by not calling it murder. Those ghouls held no ill will towards you and didn't threat your life, much like the residents of TPT. Stop being a coward and own up to your deeds.

See
Not murder by the definition within the English language.

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>vengeful homicide and justified within the wastes
might makes right in the wasteland, stop being a brainlet

t. nigger ghoul.

>durr muh morality in a world with no rules
Absolute brainlet cope. If you can't handle being a murderer then don't murder people, it's that simple.

>lone wanderer is the one that put the ghouls in position to murder everyone in the tower
thanks bro

coexistence is unrealistic anyway.
a being with a 80-year frame of life can't live door to door with an invincible(?) being as equals

Dumb ESL poster.

And that justifies the act of being a retarded chimp who kills innocent people (excluding Tenpenny)?

>by right of heritage
Ah, but Tennpenny has the best right of all: right of force.

>can't refute the argument
>DURR UR ESL
every time

>first time playing FO3
>get to this part
>casually walk up and see this ghoul shouting down the intercom
>try to speak to the intercom myself but am prevented from doing so
>get annoyed that this feral ghoul is blocking me from entering this huge building after the only other place I've been to is some scrap yard shanty town
>blow his brains out of the side of his head with my combat shotgun and continue to talk with the guard
>realize weeks later what his quest was all about
>shrug and continue, satisfied with my initial decision to kill him

You are an ESL, because the act of killing the ghouls isn't murder by definition.

No you moron, that makes the wanderer complicit in Tenpenny residents getting killed. If they hadn't intervened those people wouldn't be dead and those ghouls wouldn't have been slaughtered by them afterwards. That's the weight of your decisions being put on display.

revenge is literally bad karma

>that makes the wanderer complicit in Tenpenny residents getting killed
No it doesn't, because that implies the LW let the ghouls in with intention of them shooting the place up. Is this the dumb ESL hour?

Daily reminder fallout 3 fags are eternally BTFO

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Give them back Jamal.

Suffering evil people to live is not mercy, nor stopping them injust.

Tenpenny is an evil cock-sucker. Yet you can get them to allow the Ghouls into their midst.
The Ghouls then repay this kindness with violence and murder, and show no remorse afterward. Proving that it was right to have kept them out.

One can only assume that they will in turn prey upon any others who approach the tower in a way that Tenpenny did not.

Killing a fledgling bandit tribe is a positive act, but as Three-Dog is a bleeding heart, when he hears of it, he sides with the ghouls. As bleeding hearts are traitorous people, and fear that justice will be meted out upon their heads by those willing to take action.

>Telling people you browse
Pathetic, obviously LARPing ledditors.

>the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another
There's no established law in the wasteland, and the lone wanderer is certainly no law enforcement agent. If you want to get into the semantics of the words being used then that phrase is correct because there's no established law, but that ALSO means that what the ghouls did was not murder. Stop being a pussy and hold that murderer label, no one's even judging you for it.

What does this even prove? I play with TTW and get the best of both worlds.

I think his issue is the inability to kill the ghouls without being called a monster.
But there are tons of people you can murder in cold blood who aren't doing anything at the moment and not get bad karma.

The complicity lies with the wanderer giving them the means to do so. Would the ghouls have been able to do what they did without intervention from the wanderer? Clearly not since they had to beg him to get them in.

now I want a ghoulie gf

>There's no established law in the wasteland
Societal expectations are the foundations of our laws, and murder has always been a big fucking no. The ghouls premeditated the act before the Lone Wanderer was even a blip on their radar.

Vengeful homicide on the other hand is almost always acquitted in the court of law. Fathers beating the person who raped their kid to death are given slaps on the wrist at best, because what happened to cause that outburst was unlawful and reprehensible both in paper and in society's eyes.

>still crying about morality when in the end the ghouls and the lone wanderer commit murder
see

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>But there are tons of people you can murder in cold blood who aren't doing anything at the moment and not get bad karma.
Not trying to argue that Beth's system is some bulletproof paragon of morality, but who else?

Corruption of Champions has better social commentary than most games I’ve played and it’s a goddamn porn game

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Lore question for the newer Fallout games:

When did the BoS transform from a tiny underground group with tiny numbers almost dying out, to a ginormous continent spanning army with air superiority and robots/tanks?

fuck off nigger

>Vengeful homicide on the other hand is almost always acquitted in the court of law. Fathers beating the person who raped their kid to death are given slaps on the wrist at best
>still getting punished because they're not supposed to do that shit
Thanks for proving my point

Because Bethesda is shit.

>He considers a slap on the wrist a punishment
Yeah I'm sure the father is reeling from that one month of community service.

Yes, I understand you are a wicked person and fear that justice may be done upon you.

It's just more proof there genuinely is more content (and better written) in New Vegas

AAAAAAAA
MY NEURONS ARE FIRIN'
MY GLOBES ARE CIRCULATING
ALMONDS PERCOLATING
SPEEDRUNNERS DILATING

One day I would love to make a comparison of the types of quests you do in both games, that is, write down what the quest is about. It's just that Fallout 3's quests are so gimmicky by comparison to New Vegas
>talk to a family of vampires
>steal the declaration of independence
>replicants
>superheroes fighting at a town
>kill zombies

NV's writing is all over the place. The only thing its writing does better is serve the gameplay.

Those are the standout ones everyone likes but the majority are just hurr durr do this good vs evil,
quest completed
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
10 caps have been deposited into your account

In Fallout 3, Elder Lyons and his followers travelled west to scout. Arriving in the Capital Wastelan, seeing all the muties that scurried through the buildings, Lyons deemed the super mutant threat so great that he decided to take it upon himself to make sure these abominations were destroyed. However, upon relaying this information and his intentions back East, he was called a fool by the other Elders and denied resource trains which put his unit in a precarious position. Between losing the ability to maintain their suits of T-51 and dwindling manpower from constantly losing fights, Lyons had to start recruiting from the wasteland itself to bolster their numbers. It was also with a darn good bit of luck that the Pentagon's underground bunker had a platoon of outdated T-45s to give them a fighting chance. This isn't what caused the schism among the BOS soldiers and what would become the Outcasts, it was because Lyons believed in the group acting like literal comic book super heroes who should tend to every weak and weary civilian they come across, a move which many considered wasted time and effort. Paladins in T-45 with high tech laser weaponry were tending to people's crops and supply trains instead of blasting super mutants in the face or harvesting tech to bolster their firepower.

Between Fallout 3 and Fallout 4, Arthur Maxson rises to power. He still believes in Lyons' plan, but feels he was too soft in how he acted it out. He didn't buy into helping every single local that asked for a handout, but agreed wholeheartedly that the BOS should use its manpower to cleanse the wasteland of everything not human in an attempt to brink back some semblance of normalcy. This intermediary choice, and also being the relative of the founder of the faction, opened up relations with the East BOS once more, who agreed to send out supply trains and soldiers.

The BOS also build the Prydwen at Adams Air Force base using Enclave tech.

There’s no way that’s true you horny bastard
Never even played the game but you need to go outside if you think there’s artistic merit in pornography

>not shooting the ugly dumb thing that hates rules

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This

If it's not human, it goes in the ground.

Been a while but Ahzrukal and depending on how you spin it, the Slavers.

All rules put upon it from outside.
It loves putting its own rules upon others however.
Such always the tyrant.

>do something you're not supposed to
>get punished
>SEE HE WAS RIGHT
lmao

I feel like the scale of the punishment and the relation it has to a reprehensible act done for justifiable reasons is flying over your head right now.

I just live my life the way I see fit and if I do something I'm not supposed to, I own up to it. A far cry from those who allow a bunch of ghouls the opportunity to kill a bunch of people then get mad about it and kill them and then get mad that they're labelled as a murderer.

i went on an edgy spree once, so i did a full evil playthrough on 3 and new vegas once. it was fun. i still kneecap the nigga that asks you about the special caps though. fuck that nigga.

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Says the guy glossing over the fact that the guy taking retribution was also punished, establishing that what he did is considered wrong by law as well. You don't seem to understand the pertinent point here.

based black bro playing fallout games

You don't seem to understand that the "punishment" was scaled back to an almost negligible level, if not outright gutted from the sentencing. Are you an autist? You seem to only understand ones and zeroes, almost becoming flummoxed by something being more than binary.

hatefuck material

>Says the guy glossing over the fact that the guy taking retribution was also punished
>Beat a man to death because he raped your kid
>Yeah uh one month cleaning up trash
>THIS IS TOTALLY THE SAME AS MURDERING SOMEONE AND GETTING THE CHAIR, SEE SEE

Reminds me of how in FO1 the original plan was that helping Gizmo was good in the long run while getting him arrested makes the town stagnant, but went against it because they didn't like the idea of a player's actions having consequences they never could've predicted.

Why even punish them if what they did was "justified" is the point. Try to explain that away before you presume to have any bearing on what we're talking about here.

>durr they wuz jutified even tho dey getting punished
see

Fallout 3 had the better map. Fact.

>Why even punish them
Not "punishing" them to any degree sets a precedent. I'm sure you understand what precedents are, right? There was a case in the UK where some neckbeard was taken to court because he jokingly taught his dog how to Nazi salute when he said "gas the Jews." It was dismissed because taking someone to court over such a matter puts literally every comedian at risk of being put in jail for off-color jokes, thus setting a precedent.

Fallout Tactics

All muties must die.

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>Not "punishing" them to any degree sets a precedent
See, now you're getting it. Now, why would they be afraid to set a precedent of not punishing retribution even if it was "justified"?

thats what i mean. i never got the impression of them in the earlier 3 games that they were capable of sending entire squadrons/armies and supply trains to other outposts and destroy enemies with "manpower"

plot twist: it's always the same nigger

Quality > Quantity

>DUDE LITTLE LAMPLIGHT LMAO BECAUSE MAD MAX REFERENCE TRUMPS LOGIC
>DUDE YOU NEED TO KILL YOURSELF BECAUSE IT'S YOUR DESTINY BRO DON'T SEND IN FAWKES
>DUDE YOU WERE IN A COMA FOR 80 YEARS AND THE ANTAGONIST IS YOUR SON LMAO ALSO HE HAS CANCER
Bethesda writing everybody
youtube.com/watch?v=ttHNUV8D3ag

FUCK 3DOG
FUCK GHOULS
AND FUCK NIGGERS

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based and redpilled

>Life doesn't work in strict angel or demon terms
But it does in this quest. Killing all the ghouls off is objectively the moral action.

I'm not the only one that killed Three Dog the moment I met him, right?
I should re-install FO3 and NV.

Because the definition of retribution varies from person to person. However, I think it's safe to say that killing monsters who slaughtered and graverobbed some old people who just wanted to get along is a justified form of retribution in the wasteland. It's not like you're killing someone guy who just called you an asshole, you're taking out people who took advantage of naive kindness and returned it with lead and bloodshed.

Now post the my wife's son edit

>redditors got mad at this

I cannot stand that self righteous nigger, user

>Because the definition of retribution varies from person to person
thank youuuu

>However
as we've covered before, we're trying to prevent precedents due to the above statement, so just hold that label and be empowered in being a justified murderer.

Treacherous people fear most that those around them may one day enact justice upon them.

lmao

The earlier you learn to ignore the Karma system, the more enjoyable Fallout 3 becomes.

>console versions
Not a real nigga

is he crying in the second panel

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I did it too at the end of my first playthrough, and since i really liked his replacement i killed him immediately on my second one.
Now that i think about it, i never went back to the station to see the girl, is she cute?

Shooting ant girl should not have given good karma.

Do you own like every fucking game that Yea Forums talks about?

Dunno why you two are applying the modern legal system to a world which has reverted to Code of Hammurabi.

Bitch, you forget about Herbert Daring Dashwood or are you just a retard?

It's an old woman, user.

New Vegas has both.

They were enemy combatants. It's not murder. It's wetwork.

I'm not though, it's the other guy being embarrassed to be called a murderer who is invoking the legality of crimes in an effectively lawless setting.

Did they attack you on sight? Or were you allowed to stew in your anger walking around Tenpenny Tower and conversing with the ghouls until you decided they need to die?

...they're fucking slavers, of course you don't get bad karma for killing them.

>enter sealed pre-war vault
>locker has jet and iguana-on-a-stick
no bueno

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We aint got time for morality in the wasteland

I tried helping the ghouls the first time, then i saw what they did and reloaded and slaughtered all the ghouls.

>let the peaceful, oppressed dindu nuffin ghouls in
>they fucking slaughter everyone and the place turns to shit
Wow, really made me think, huh?

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Is your argument here that enslaving people is morally worse than killing them and dumping them in a mass grave?

>Ahzrukal
You mean this guy? fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Ahzrukhal

Fallout 3 has a shit ton of hidden choice. Having played it like 9 times I still find a new way to complete a quest each time

According to the game no

They attacked my allies, so I was obliged to attack them. Otherwise, what's the point of alliances?

I'm arguing that the sort of person who would enslave someone for personal gain is the sort of person that needs a bullet to the brain.

>Did they attack you on sight?
You need a ghoul mask to be around them or they'll kill on sight.

>Ghouls used to live in the tower and want to get back in there
>As soon as you give them what they want, they massacre the old population and tell you to fuck off
What did Todd mean by this?

>I'm arguing that the sort of person who would enslave someone for personal gain is the sort of person that needs a bullet to the brain.
But not the sort of person who would kill a tower full of the people who took him in, and shove the corpses into a basement to rot? That person is totally fine without a bullet to the brain?

>the people who advocated for letting the ghouls in are
>a soiboy
>a boomer
>a commie
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

>They attacked my allies
Maybe for your Lone Wanderer, but not for everyone else's. In any case, the ghouls clearly didn't think they did anything wrong enough to hide from you, so they clearly thought you were at least a friendly acquaintance. Maybe you should pick your company better?

NV never had a questline half as memorable as this. Really does make you think.

Holy fuck, you're the one who can't get over his autistic and entirely incorrect definition of murder and how the LW is supposedly a bad person murdering this gang of serial killers. The one who can't stop whining about muh morality is you.

What, why?

No, I'm very much OK with killing Roy.

They thought I was cool with them killing people who were getting along with them out of spite/racism, which I am not. Hence, I gladly spent a few magazines of 7.62mm to correct my earlier error of siding with them.

Not that guy, but you as the Lone Wanderer were the one to let them in and allow them to murder everyone. The whole point of the scenario is that you shouldn't let a bleeding heart completely influence your decisions and your actions have consequences.

lol there's no morality at all in what I'm saying though, make up your damn mind homie

>They thought I was cool with them killing people
Once again, pick your company better. You vouching for them and speaking on their behalf got those people killed.

Reminder to kill all of the ghouls in underworld immediately after you kill Roy.

They got butthurt that Three Dog was talking like a nigger so they changed this comments lmao

It did, so I stopped the murderers from murdering further. I am uncertain what point you are trying to prove here.

FO3 side quests > NV side quests
NV main quest > FO3 main quest

You're the one seemingly trying to justify to me why you did what you did, I don't know what you want from me to be honest.

>Too autistic to understand that murder requires premeditation

Killing the ghouls after the fact is not only justice, but it is also keeping maniacal killers outside the wasteland, where the concept of "prison" is nonexistent.

I always forget about fleshing out my comments, but whatever: the issue with Fallout's KARMA system is that it is fucking retarded.

Look at it this way: plenty of anons including myself claim that killing the ghouls was the right thing to do. Why should the game shove down the player's throat that what they did is objectively wrong, and have every NPC react to the player's karma level as such? You would expect many NPCs would say "%PCName% is a hero!".

>go to TPT
>see all these people dead
>start killing all the ghouls without even finding out what happened
That's what killing without pre-meditation is. What happens in most cases is the player talks to the ghouls, finds out they slaughtered everyone and the the player decides to kill them based on that.

There's no option to reach a diplomatic solution though. Doing the quest involves one side dying, so it might as well be the one ghoul psychopaths

Sure, but you're still a killer. I've never once said the Lone Wanderer is unjustified in killing the ghouls, just that they're a murderer as well.

What was the commentary? That niggers are sub human who just kill everyone when they have a chance?

So don't complete the quest if you don't want people to die? Is completing a quest more important than your character's moral position?

The issue is not whether you are a killer or not, the issue is the game giving you negative karma for it. Which is pretty dumb for many reasons.

What do you mean seemingly? I posted why I believe killing Roy and company to be justified. Weren't you taking the position that it wasn't?

There's a big difference between being a killer and being a murderer.

And if you leave it undone, what of the next person the ghouls might con into doing their bidding?

Why are you so wrapped up in Beth's karma system giving you the "correct" karma? Pretty sure everyone agrees that it's garbage. You might be an autistic brainlet if you keep worrying about that rather than dismissing it entirely.
And the issue with other people is being called a murderer for killing them so I addressed those points.

Congrats dude, you convinced everyone here that user's char is a killer.
In a game where you can't cross the street without killing someone.
This was a waste of time.

Todd has always been redpilled

Nope, that's your perception. I was the one who got quoted initially, so that's on you.

Pretty sure people have made it a point to do pacifist runs in FO3. Also, if I'm wasting people's time then maybe they shouldn't be @-ing me?

>people unironically thinking FO3 is better than FNV

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The sad thing is NV has more Quality and more Quantity in everything from quests to weapons.
Fallout 3 is more about stupid silly shit like helping a town from two guys in costumes.

>Why are you so wrapped up in Beth's karma system giving you the "correct" karma? Pretty sure everyone agrees that it's garbage. You might be an autistic brainlet if you keep worrying about that rather than dismissing it entirely.
You can call it autism or you can call it wanting a Fallout game with good writing. The way Bethesda sees morality and how they force their views upon you are the very reason why we got that shitty Fallout 3 ending on the first place.

Not who you replied to, but I agree, however I did enjoy the costumed crusaders, or whatever they were. For some reason, they haven't found a balance between the two, so you either end up with something whacky like Fallout 3 or serious like Fallout 1/NV.

Sierra Petrovita is my WIFE!

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All Fallout games have shit writing. The devs of the first 2 games wouldn't have tried to retcon shit and then renege on it if they didn't.

Its more of a look of horror and trying to cover his mouth/nostrils from breathing in the rotting flesh odor.

they should have made her appear chubbier in F4 from all that nuka cola

I'm pretty sure it's literally all that she ingests so she probably only gets calories from it.

Also her teeth are rotten in Fo4. She and MacCready are the only named characters with rotten teeth.

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>bethesda
The whole karma system in fallout is retarded, the reputation system from 2 and new Vegas is much better

I don't care it would have been funny tho if she was made fat

>All Fallout games have shit writing.
What a night to have a terrible opinion.

Fuck off spic you're not even human.

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>UR OPINION A SHIT
>can't explain why
every time

>the writing is shit
>can't explain why
every time

All they had to do to fix this shit was just show you how tense the situation was getting after letting the Ghouls in, showing that blood was gonna get spilled so you had to take a side or find a way to prevent it
Instead you just come back and they murder everyone and go "They deserved it lol"

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>can't explain why
>The devs of the first 2 games wouldn't have tried to retcon shit and then renege on it if they didn't
I'd call you illiterate but we both know you read that and couldn't refute it

>people have made it a point to do pacifist runs in FO3
Most of the main quests require killing to complete them. The only way to do it is to beat the whole game as a baby

Explain how Fallout 1 retconned anything, dumbshit.

Don't need to, just the fact that The Master can be beaten by telling him his ubermensch race is sterile is all the dumb exposition I need.

>a line of dialogue is exposition
I guessed you were one of those retarded redditors.

>durr the game doesn't make you jump through hoops to find out this thing that actually makes it have more depth
are you trying to make the game look more terrible than it is?

You are not making any sense, why don't you actually lay out your arguments instead of talking to a strawman?

The argument is already laid out, I'm not the one getting hung up on the definition/semantics of a word rather than refuting a statement as a whole.

No, I want you to explain the actual issue because so far you have said nothing.
>just the fact that The Master can be beaten by telling him his ubermensch race is sterile is all the dumb exposition I need.
You don't just "tell" him his ubermensch race is sterile, you actually have proof on you. It's not even lousy, as The Master clearly has a God complex which would have rendered him unable to see for himself the mutants were sterile.
But before that, you say
>The devs of the first 2 games wouldn't have tried to retcon shit and then renege on it if they didn't
And yet Fallout retconned nothing because it was the first game.

Chris Avellone, who was responsible for Fallout 2 wasn't the creator of Fallout. Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky, who WERE the creators of Fallout, left during the development of the second game. So much for "the devs of the first 2 games".

So Fallout 2 got retconned and then unretconned and Fallout 1 has a New Vegas level retard end boss who gets talked down by some dumb shit they should have already known. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Murder is wrongful killing, not all killing retard

We've already established the definition of "murder" and by that definition the ghouls and the lone wanderer are either both murderers or not because of the context of "lawful". Go back and re-read the thread.

>So Fallout 2 got retconned and then unretconned
What the fuck are you talking about you mongoloid?
Fallout 2 retconned elements of Fallout for a few jokes (as admitted by Avellone, who is NOT a "Fallout 1 developer"), which New Vegas proceeded to rectify. That is, that Super Mutants ARE sterile, and that ghouls require sustenance.
>who gets talked down by some dumb shit they should have already known.
Of course The Master should have already know that. With his God complex, however, it would have been impossible to.

But who am I kidding, I'm arguing with the same dude that justified
>lol just ignore bad karma bro

It's not social commentary if it gives you plus points or minus points for it. That's bias.

Tenpenny didn't have a militant force having the ghouls live in the sewers st gunpoint. He didnt want niggers in HIS tower so boohoo they decided to live like retards instead of building a homestead.

DUDE ALIENS ARE CANON LMAO
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>Fallout 2 retconned
>Of course The Master should have already know that
Thanks for verifying what I said

>lol just ignore bad karma bro
it really is as simple as that. Imagine witnessing someone being so weak willed that a game going YOU DID A BAD HAVE SOME BAD POINTS frustrates and triggers them for over a decade.