These are all good games

It is easy to get lost in Morrowind I will give you that.

>What's the general opinion on Bretons?

Playing as them?
People argue over Bretons vs. High Elves for mage builds; it depends on whether or not you can stomach (or remove via enchantment) the magic weakness.

Them as a race?
idk, they're pretty bland fantasy (which was fine until Oblivion made the whole Empire into bland fantasy).
Also archetypically they're the nerds surrounded by the jocks.

If you have to install mods for a game to be playable then no, its not a good game

*blocks your path*

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>morrowinf
Great
>Oblivion
Okay
>Skyrim
Great

holy shit combat in skyrim is so bad!

Wrong. Morrowind and Skyrim are both good, for different reasons of course. Oblivion is terrible, being in the middle ground.

I started one on Morrowind because it had some good stuff I wanted for my character to have.
I honestly wish I could just be a Khajit or an Argonian, those two seem more fun and flavorful to play as, but Bretons also looked cool enough to play.

soul
souless
soul

Correct. The question of their varying degrees of "goodness," however...

>Morrowind
Amazing
>Oblivion
Decent
>Shivering Isles
Very good
>Skyrim
Ok

perfect example of what that user said

Skyrim is a good game but a bad RPG. That's it.

counterpoint: none of these are good games

Would a mainline game set in Black Marsh be kino or cringe, Yea Forums?

Morrowind > Shivering Isles > Dragonborn > Skyrim > Oblivion

Understandable opinion.
Pure retard.
Rating Skyrim higher than Oblivion is ridiculous, it does nothing better than Oblivion and is the most limited Elder Scrolls game in all categories.

You picked correctly.
For one thing, those other races are arbitrarily limited in the clothes they can wear.
And then there's the cultural improbability of a chattel member of a slave race...well no spoilers, but story-wise it's odd.

>Skyrim > Oblivion
retard

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>are arbitrarily limited in the clothes they can wear.
It makes perfect sense that Khajit and Argonians can't wear footwear.

It would be cool if there was a dedicated shop for argonian/khajit equipment.
But I guess that would be weird to have since both races are pretty much slaves in morrowind as far as I've seen.

I don't see how it could work since most of Black Marsh is uninhabitable to anyone who isn't Argonian.
Plus, it'd be a Bethesda game so it's automatically cringe.

>Oblivion
It has so much fucking soul.

Morrowind feels like a janky, aged mess and Skyrim is just bland and lame all around.

Dunmer enslave Imperials, Nords, Orcs, Khajiit, and Argoians, but see the latter as the most important. They frequently go into northern Black Marsh and take back Argonians as slaves.

How amazed would people be if TES 6 was good.

Please no High Rock or Hammerfell.

It's arbitrary in the sense that it hinders a character without providing any notable advantages.
But I absolutely agree. It's a great example of when designers get so rules and logic focused that they forget that they're making a game.
Which sometimes leads to great games like Morrowind, other times not so much.

If TES 6 was actually good, I'd think that Zenimax had somehow managed to get a different studio entirely to make the game without anyone leaking even the slightest hint.

>skyrim special edition, morrowind goty, oblivion goty deluxe finally dirt cheap
Which one(s) should I get lads? I've already played Oblivion on 360 and I love it and would love to go wild with mods.

I heard that Skyrim SE is the better one to get instead of the original at this stage too

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The last time Bethesda were in deep shit, they ended up making Morrowind.
Fingers crossed for Summerset Isles.

Question.
Yea Forums good or actually good?

Bethesda could do nothing but coke and hookers for the next decade and still be in good shape financially.

Bethesda has lost the good will after 76, it seems that now broken quests and bugs out the ass are no longer going to be overlooked like they have in the past.
That is bad news for the next ES, people are now going to hold them to the same standard they have always held other series to and I doubt Bethesda is going to suddenly get their shit together.

I agree an invasion of the Isle would be a top tier game.

Ass Creed 4 was actually fucking amazing. Good games can fall out of bad developers' asses.

Actually good.

>Summerset Isles.
Yes. Stros M'Kai DLC.

They will be fine as long as they drop the tedium sim crap from 76.

>Summerset Isles
If we're going to have a good fantasy then why not just include Elseweyr and Valenwood.

thoughts on eso, in comparison to the mainline games?

Skyrim is O B J E C T I V E L Y the worst vanilla game. Worst RPG mechanics, worst storylines, worst guilds, worst magic. Fucking Oblivion is better.

Can someone give me a rundown on Elsweyr and what makes it stand out from other Tamriel provinces?

I like to think the are using star citizen as a test run for some new ideas and why works and what doesn't. They know that TES 6 is too important to fuck up and if that flops then they might as well sell the IPs.

>What's the general opinion on Bretons?
Top tier along with Dunmer

Shitty desert full of drugs and furry waifus

They should remake daggerfall and only update the graphics

>old good new bad

no. they're all good

Oblivion is definitely the worst vanilla, solely by virtue of level scaling, but it's probably the best modded.

But Skyrim also has level scaling, plenty of people leveled up non combat skills and found themselves underpowered against enemies.

Well it had more choice and consequence than Morrowind and Oblivion combined so there is that.
From what I hear that is very important to the "true RPG" crowd.

Not our fault Skyrim treats us like we're special snowflakes with autism

daggerfall unity is perfect for you

Skyrim fixed Oblivion's level scaling.

>Can join every single guild, regardless of build, without any repercussions
>More choice and consequence

Jeremy Soule's soundtrack is the only thing that holds this shitshow together.
ES VI will fail miserably not only because Bethesda has slowly forgotten what made their games great, but also because the soundtrack will never compare to their previous entries.

youtube.com/watch?v=4tWdVydRceU
youtube.com/watch?v=3YKicBAMlBk
youtube.com/watch?v=s5sTI_zBg40

None of them are Tbh.

All these threads are getting me nostalgic for another oblivion playthrough

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Oblivion has the best vidya OST of all time.

Nah, but it's up there

Same in every game user.
In Morrowind you can be head of the Mages guild and Telvanni without ever casting a spell.
You will need a a potion or scroll of levitation for the Telvani though.

There are absolutely stat requirements in Morrowind you fucking moron.

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And waste a lot of gold getting magic stats to 90/50/50, which no one would do unless they were purposefully trying to be the head of a magic faction without casting a spell.

One of these things is not like the other
One of these things just doesn't belong
Can you tell me which one is not like the other
before I finish my song?

I love Morrowind, am okay with Skyrim, but hate Oblivion.

What are trainers?

Have sex.

Correct.

No less a series of hoops than anons use to shit on the college in Skyrim.

youtube.com/watch?v=XpJEg6MTPzc
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Morrowind and Skyrim both have an Imperial Dragon insignia in their logos, Oblivion doesn’t.

there's nothing more fun than modding oblivion to hell and seeing what the retarded npcs do when you do crazy shit like make everyone in a town go hostile and kill each other all the while everyone us shouting ASSAULT ASSAULT. oblivion is forever precious for that.

while oblivion level scaling is certainly egregious if you don't level efficiently, I think giving skyrim a pass and saying it's superior to oblivion is doing a disservice to acknowledging skyrim's flaws. oblivion had great side quests, guilds and decent characters which skyrim very poorly tried to emulate and rarely came close.

plus, I appreciate the fact oblivion still feels like an actual rpg with classes, spell crafting, and at least attempted to utilise speech in the form of the dumb disposition wheel. skyrim, lacking all those things and most importantly lacking in good quests, stories and guilds, makes for a much more boring and basic experience for vanilla skyrim.

Also
Waste gold?
The scamp and the mudcrab merchant exist. If you aren't swimming in gold you are doing it wrong.

So... you're still a trained mage anyway. The Telvanni also require you to know certain spells.

Oblivion is the worst of the three.

moving and the lighting in fallout games is so bad

Nah

Does anyone have one for Morrowind?

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My point stands.

>going well out of your way, including closing off the other two houses, to become head of Mages Guild and Telvanni without casting spells
vs
>The natural progression of becoming the head of every faction even if they aren’t compatible and you don’t practice those skills, because all of the factions are just dungeon grinds

>Skyrim fixed Oblivion's level scaling.
Fixed is not an accurate term, they tweaked it, instead of enemies that are not capped being directly at your level enemies come in set stats but increase every few levels like draugr types that eventually end up as death overlords and all the hp bloat problems of Oblivion.

It is a way bigger series of hoops. You cast one spell. That's it. And you have to join the college to beat the main quest.

It takes more effort to get to the crab than it is to do almost nothing.

>worst guilds
The dark brotherhood sure but you can't honestly enjoy the Oblivion guilds beyond the first few quest, can you? Especially the Mages Guild, it hits rock bottom after the recommendation quests and never goes up from there.

>It has so much fucking soul
NO !
Jesus, how can you seriously write shit like that. Ever really played Oblivion?

The latter you can do in every game since Morrowind.
The only difference is in Morrowind is if you don't join the TG before you get a certain quest from the FG you get locked out of the TG.

Soul and art direction are the last desperate refuge of an user who has no real argument.

Oblivion's combat is the worst in the series.

Is your point that you have to be a master in a school of magic, proficient in others and know a repertoire of spells? Nice one I guess...

the mages guild in oblivion had amazing recommendation quests and at least generally felt like a school for mages consistently. in contrast, the college in skyrim was generally awful and boring all through out, from beginning to end, with a very generic plot. the college certainly looked cool though, had a nice aesthetic and design. overall, oblivion's mages guild could be argued to be more enjoyable.

even the fighters guild in oblivion was better than the companions, while it probably comes closest to being the most generic of all of them, the conflict with blackwood and the quest like Infiltration was arguably more interesting than the incredibly disappointing companions, which was only saved by the werewolf gimmick.

The thieves guild was based as fuck.

Nigga what? Oblivion is the first game in the series I played. Yes it has soul, even today when I'm 26.

It's almost exactly the same as Skyrim's minus a shitload of spells.

>take tree sap LSD and murder an entire village
The FG was great.

Skyrim is dogshit and if your pretending it isn't your wrong and your opinion is shit.

Skyrim's open world is the best of the three but it's barely an RPG with meh lore and the best combat of the three
Oblivion has ok lore, the best RPG mechanics, with the most tasteless and bland open world with ok combat.
Morrowind has the best lore with an ok open world and with second best RPG mechanics, but atrocious combat.

>choice and consequence
>Skyrim
Its not even an rpg anymore

>1million hp ancient vampires and bandit leaders weren't in skyrim
>your magic leveled loot box you got at the end of every dungeon didn't start dropping daedric at 49
Oki doki

No the point was the first one I made. You don't have to cast a single spell to be the head of the mages guild in either Morrowind or Skyrim.

You are the one going through the mental gymanstics of trying to ignore that simple fact.

Reminder that this is the official ranking list for all races from best to worst and any deviation from it is wrong:

Imperials- Run the whole fucking show

Nords- Based aryans who are nationalistic and isolationists. Below imperials due to lack of sophistication and aristocratic elements

High elves- The jews of the elder scrolls world. Always pulling the strings from the shadows and can use magic to btfo everyone.

Dumner- Inferior version of high elves

Argonians- btfo the tree elves and make great stealh archers

Khajit- cute kitties who are drug addicts. Reputation ruined by furries shilling them

Bosmer- faggot dwarves with hair loss problems

Breton- idk who this is

Redguard- niggers

Orcs- somehow more niggerish than the actual niggers. Retarded, aggressive and impulsive.

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Except it takes a completely contrived way to do it in Morrowind that was never the intended path. In Skyrim the mages college is meant to be open to all players and even railroads you to it.

>Morrowind
>Atrocious combat
Git gud.

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I'll break it down for you since your intelligence attribute isn't quite Telvanni material:
>>Can join every single guild, regardless of build, without any repercussions (in Skyrim but not in Morrowind)
This was the point you tried to refute with this pearl of wisdom:
>In Morrowind you can be head of the Mages guild and Telvanni without ever casting a spell.
>You will need a a potion or scroll of levitation for the Telvani though.
To be clear, having to purchase and chug potions constantly to navigate Telvanni architecture because you cannot (or in your case, will not) levitate is a repercussion. You also have to train certain skills (to a very high level) and learn certain spells, including a levitation spell, to advance. You will also fail certain quests if you cannot or choose not to cast a spell, e.g. cure the blight kwama queen; this a repercussion.

And the Skyrim method isn't contrived?
C'mon now.
Just do three quests or two quests and get speech to a hundred and boom no spells cast for the Skyrim mages college.

vs
Pay trainers
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Is it possible to make TGM potions in Morrowind or is that just a meme? If it is is it practical?

Incorrect assesment of the argument I made.
The College in Skyrim gets shit on because there is a way to become the head without ever casting a spell.
I was simply pointing out the same is true for Morrowind.

You didn't make that argument in our reply chain and that wasn't what you pointed out at all, I've quoted both what you replied to and what your reply was.

That is exactly the point I made in my original post.
You chose one later in the thread to make an argument you are more comfortable making.

as an aside
Another quirk of the Morrowind mages guild.
The Arch mage will give you a quest to kill the telvani councilors... even if you are a telvani councilor.

Also the post you replied to says exactly what you said it didn't.
You are just being argumentative at this point.

>What's the general opinion on Bretons?
Their magicka resistance passive is really good, I always pick them for a mage character, their face/hair is pretty aesthetic in that game too

Not true
Skyrim has werewolf and vampire transformation, dual wielding, execute animations, and shouts. Skyrim's combat is objectively better than Oblivion's

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Bretons are the raging powergamer class played by people who just want to abuse alchemy and magic in general to become a living god. Can't blame them though.

none of them can let you dab

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best post

literally every time i say to myself " i need to really work on my backlog and play Skyrim." I will install it spend 2-4 hours modding it then finally play it and play 1-2 hours before I say "why the fuck did do this"-and uninstall.

Same goes for Oblivion as well since it is much older.

>Nords
>below Imperials

lol

Really fucking easy to say "runs the whole show" when a Breton maniac uses an ancient Nordic Ash King and a reality warping robot to establish his own Empire that just happened to be in your province.