WE'RE GOING HOME BOYS

cant wait to play for a week then drop it!! nostalgia epic ftw

We're going home...

But when are we going HOME?

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The expansion that ruined WoW forever.

>made every spec usable

>oh were you fighting a random mob?
>lmao now your effort is wasted because you were moved to a different shard automatically without your input
DoA, Blizzard doesn't want Classic to succeed so they can point at it and say "SEE, SEE?! WE TOLD YOU THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT CLASSIC WOW"

>flying mounts
>raid focus
>shitty zones
>atrocious armor
>boring itemization
>sissies as a race
I could go on.

me, gonna be a bull elemental shaman

>flying mounts
doesn't affect gameplay
>raid focus
how dare a pve game focus on pve
>shitty zones
have you played vanilla wow
>atrocious armor
wow...you look bad...have you played vanilla wow
>boring itemization
meh

Stupid statement. Give me a spec and I'll tell you where it's usable.

I have no idea what to be. I just hope I can make some friends, I didn't play original vanilla wow so I think I will be all alone.

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Flying mounts made it so there was nobody on the roads, the world died immediately.

Orc or undead warlock?

Help me you assholes

Arcane mage

>killed the MMO genre (which was already bad to begin with)
>killed WH online
Just for this I'll pray everyday that your "home" in which you never dwelled crumble

>Guild wars 2
>Warhammer online
>Age of conan
Those are the ones I tried. Amazing how none captured me like WoW did (and still does on private servers). Can't wait to level a new character. I should place alliance so I actually get to discover new stuff and can actually related to all those westfall stories.

>doesn't affect gameplay
Absolutely 60 IQ response, good job. Yeah, the thing that keeps people from traveling and interacting with one another doesn't affect gameplay AT ALL. Fucking kys.
>how dare a pve game focus on pve
Damn, that 1-60 leveling in Vanilla was all PvP, how could I forget about that. Surely we should dramatically retard the leveling so that people can do it in an afternoon and just let them run to repeat raids every night of the week that's so much FUN. Nothing says FUN like doing the same thing over and over with the same people in an instance every day. F U N.
>have you played vanilla wow
Yeah, and all the zones were amazing. They were natural environments with a bit of a fantasy twist, except the clearly rushed ones like Burning Steppes. TBC went full retard with some alien shit instead. People love Nagrand even though it's basically just a bad version of Mulgore.
>wow...you look bad...have you played vanilla wow
Yeah, Vanilla armors and sets in general looked great, especially the tame ones. In TBC the game well full anime mode and never returned. Gotta have those huge blue shoulders with rotating crystals around them, amirite?
>>meh
>no argument so he just gives up
Amazing response, try again later when you get taste.
Orc, obviously. It's the most logical decision lorewise. UD are best as mages, priests, and rogues.

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I'm going orc warlock just because it's less played than undead warlock.

classic.wowhead.com/dressing-room
MAKE YOUR CHARACTER AND POST IT FAGGOTS
I CAN'T MAKE AN ATTRACTIVE FEMALE HUMAN NO MATTER WHAT I DO
i really wish we could keep retail models, i love vanilla, but i have no attraction to these ugly-ass old models

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Go for good this time!

>muh feels
>muh world
>muh world pvp
im here for gameplay

>sissies as a race
They unironically look closer to irl humans than "humans"
So be careful what you are saying.

Having an actual open world that encourages cooperation, communication, and interaction, directly affects the gameplay of an MMO. If you want a glorified coop game there's literally dozens you could choose from, all of which are better than TBC.

>classic releases
>fuckton of people join just to try it
>servers are overflowing
>novelty wears off
>servers are ghost towns
>blizzard refuses to merge them just like live

Yeah would be great if they made it something you could toggle in the graphics settings.

>Having an actual open world that encourages cooperation, communication, and interaction, directly affects the gameplay of an MMO
You’re describing fucking Everquest, not WoW. Stupid fucking zoomer who hasn’t ever played vanilla

>cooperation, communication, and interaction, directly affects the gameplay of an MMO
here's your vanilla cooperation
>hey man you wanna do this raid or dungeon?
>sure

>>rift (lol)
Don't do me dirty like this, user. Rift was shitty at launch as anyone can testify, but there was a sweet spot afterwards where it was one of the most fun MMOs for almost a whole year. I miss Rift as well as Tribes. Any Riftbros still around here?

undead rogue here, i'm gonna crippling poison ya then rupture ya then kite ya and eat yer corpse

Except that I have played Vanilla since release you fucking mongoloid piece of shit, and that's exactly what it was like. Fuck off with your shitty dead game that you and two other obese housewives played. WoW was better than EQ in every way, get the fuck over it.
You mean except the times when you would team up with people to fight the enemy faction, do quests, or just hang out for fun? Which happened constantly?

that happens in retail as well

WoW didn’t have that open world experience you’re literally making up you stupid faggot.

>hourly shill thread for a reredead game
TopKek

just need a name, already got a choice of two hardcore raiding guilds i've been accepted into

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>You mean except the times when you would team up with people to fight the enemy faction, do quests, or just hang out for fun? Which happened constantly?

>team up with people to fight the enemy faction
never did this in vanilla
>do quests
did this 5 or 6 times in vanilla, 5 or 6 times per zone in BC because of elite quests
>hang out for fun
I have real life friends

what are you going to watch while levelling Yea Forums? any good let's players?

Vanilla WoW was casual shit that ruined MMOs. RIP FFXI and SWG

Asmon layer...home...

Unironically kill yourself

every single episode of the XFM Gervais, Pilk, Merch podcasts

Dont ff14 and wow have the same amount of players now?

>never did this in vanilla
Never served in STVietnam?

The original stargate tvseries is probably the only show left I haven't already watched.

mad af

desu, the only thing that I really liked from TBC was the socket system. too bad that it wasn't as varried as the Diablo 2 version.

i love stargate it's so good, even atlantis was good. universe is garbage

I got a bit sad when I found out the socket bonuses weren't good enough to justify trying to match gems with sockets and all I got to do was just ramming 12+ spellpower in every socket

xD I watch that asmongold too! Wow ha always been casual garbage in regards to MMOs. 1-60 is easily done without ever needing a group.

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>Never did this in vanilla
Bullshit. STV had the BGH quest chain which was at least 4 Elite quests and I'm not even counting the ones from Booty Bay or Rebel Camp.
>Hillsbrad
Dwarf bunker elites, hillsbrad fields + Wanted list
>Loch Modan
Ogre quests, Vyrin's Revenge
>Redridge
Elite Orcs, escort quest, Fangore
>Duskwood
Eliza, Mor'Ladim, Morbend Fel
>Barrens
Elite Dwarves
And those are the ones I could think of on the spot.

>Boot up FF14
>Heat the choir sing

HOME
RIDING HOME
DYING HOPE
HOLD ONTO HOPE

I know they did this just to piss on Classic. What a Chad move.

Hated universe until it actually grew on me during the last few episodes before it got cancelled.

You can hardly complaing about a lack of social elements if you go out of your way to not participated in any of them.

>optional elite quests
Leveling in WoW has always been casual

youtube.com/watch?v=v2RGL8j4yQ8

Isn't grinding boars what you do in all those other mmos before it?

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>EU servers not seperated by language, good chance of leveling a character to level 30 before finding out most people on the server are subhumans who cant/unwilling to speak english.
>Cant play on US servers because when taking into account my world geographical location and work schedule if I ever get to play it will be around midnight server time so no groups/raids ever.

Looks like I wont be going home bros...

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In groups. You actually needed other people to level. It took the communication and teamwork you’re describing to actually level.

>bullshit
No, you might have never done these quests in vanilla
Vanilla wasn't even 2k pop for most of its life, these aren't your 9k at 3am private servers
In vanilla you might not see anyone all day if you were in less used zones like desolace

How is that moving the goal posts when you can get to level 60 completely on your own. Doing 1-2 elite quests every 5 levels doesn’t change that.

You forgot one from your list.

"World of Warcraft".

Classic will finally overthrow the diseased husk of WoW and fulfill the prophecy.

WoW will rise from its own ashes.

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But the Tauren don't start in Tirisfal?

Can't wait to get to level 38 and realize the nostalgia isn't enough to keep me going, then go back to retail and quit because it's not as good as WoW used to be back in the day

>it's just nostalgia
>but really the game is better than it was back then

So which is it faggot?

Mulgore's comfy until you have to deal with the dwarf camp and the venture co. cave. Finding Arra'chea can also be a pain or can take a few minutes. Then again, every starting zone has that one quest that's a pain in the ass.
>Dun Murogh: Frostmane Hold, and the starting area cave trolls, along with the Troggs in the mine
>Elwynn: Fargodeep Mine, the Murlocs for the guard corpse quests
>Teldrassil: The druid dens, starting area spider cave
>Durotar: Zalazane/Trolls if not fulled correctly, Fizzle's claw
>Brill: The Agamand family mills, specifically the end quest within a grave filled with mobs

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I'm coming home bros
youtube.com/watch?v=H5rZEpb3nwY

Based and blueberry pilled

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INV
TO
ASMON
LAYER

I might be healing, but I'll do it with style.

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what shard and layer, fellow classic bro?

This
I'm conflicted too

>not understanding that the game being good at the time was because it was new and shiny and the memory of those new experiences will always be better than playing Classic

Top tier looks.

didnt this classic thing died during the beta?

based
going tauren warrior, not even going to miss hardiness because of tauren range + leeway
10 yard hamstrings baby

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INV TO ASMON LAYER

Only cos the level cap was 40 and they had no endgame content whatsoever to test.

classic.wowhead.com/dressing-room#so0z0zJ89czkz0m9m8oCx808oCt87coCn87koCe808oCv808oCy808oCg808VB1808oWi87c
can't fucking wait bros
I know I'm probably gonna be wearing more threat gear and dual wielding most of the time

Every spec is usable in classic, you mean it streamlined specs for casual faggots like you? Sorry user, no tranny races like Goat and Blood Elf in classic. Cope.

>tranny/zoomer shitposters wont fuck off
>but it doesn't even matter, all they can do is shitpost while they idle in their houses
I've never been so excited to play a video game in my life

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so if they raise it to 60 give it a month and it dies again?

God I can't chose what to play. The two classes I've never really played in vanilla or beyond was Druid and Warlock. Druid I'd like to try the most, but I'd be locking myself to healing in raids, which I also haven't ever really done.

Warlock seems like an interesting class too. I like having to summon people to dungeon and being big dick dps with good utility.

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all of which are east af if you have a single friend (almost as though that's the point)

inv
asmon
layer

skip Arra'chea if you don't find it by the time you're done questing in that area
seriously, just fuckin drop it

Where my Rogue bros at?
Slick

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Who the fuck is going to spend weeks gearing a toon in beta that's going to be deleted, no-one that's who. Gotta stay fresh for release date.

Bros I want to play Orc shaman but I don't want to heal

I'm already playing XIV

right here bro
youtube.com/watch?v=PDtnGgdqFuc

obsessed

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ZHC AP POM PYRO

Nice man, have fun. I'll come back in a few months when classic starts to unwind a bit.

i might a little bit but there's no pandas .

PLEASE FAIL PLEASE
CLASSIC NEEDS TO FAIL
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

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>brainlets not understanding that J. Allan Brack was right about "you think that you do, but you don't"
I will be laughing my ass off when classic dies after a month.

>tfw still can’t decide between playing horde or alliance

Why must the faction choice be so hard?

LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRR

ohnonono bros the trannies are laughing at us!

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Gone by phase 2, like within first three weeks. Layering exploits were fixed. It's a non-issue now.

Id give it until everyone has done all the raids. When you just AFK in IF all day waiting to either do a pug because every raid is easy as shit or raid with a guild that makes them even easier, shit gets old.

clips.twitch.tv/FitAlertDelicataPrimeMe

Imagine playing an "MMO" that isn't seamless, lmao.

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>damn blizzdrones ddosing us...
literal retards

While im here, rate my prebis rogue

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I like the Alliance zones, but the races are boring to me. 3 different sizes of human and night elves.

LOL

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forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/397980-Lack-of-End-Game-Content
XIVs endgame is shitposting in other MMOs threads, do not engage XIV trannies

Why are you lying online?

>a forum post
You sure showed us.

And yet Classic will still be 1000x better than Modern

youtube.com/watch?v=HM40cK5tu7w

>actual XIV players complaining that there's nothing to do being told to go rerun old primals 600 times for mounts and play lords of verminion
lmao
go chill out and farm some pets dude

Layering now has an ICD that increases the more you make layering changes. Too many relayers and you're locked out, meaning nothing will change your layer for an extended period of time. Go back to trying to enter "congested zones" tranny.

>a forum post
true, everyone knows top tier video game discussion is only here at Yea Forums
seethe cope cringe based dilate resetera tranny

>players
You mean the one sperg who wrote half of the posts in the thread you linked to?
Please stop, we can only get SO owned, Classicbro.

to be fair, wow has a ton of trannies as well

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>You mean the one sperg who wrote half of the posts in the thread you linked to?
I don't know what to say, look through the pages and there's different people agreeing on every single page
You're actually just retarded

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For me, it's hunter

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You're not wrong, never stop bullying them.

inv
asmon
layer

No, please WoWbro, don't call me names. And be sure NOT to call ma tranny. I can't handle being pwned so much. Please WoWbro. I want classic to be a success so it becomes a containment zone and so you fucks don't invade my game in droves like you do now.

>3 weeks
Would be up till the end of p2

>ICD
Won’t stop anyone from having 2-3 instances of burning steppes between brd runs and all resources in the game when there will be a fresh layer with 100 ppl in it total

At least you tried

Home...

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just send more death threats bro
keep your weeb housing simulator to yourselves
livestreamfails.com/post/56138

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>oh cool a classic thread maybe the XIV trannies will stay out of this o-
nope
hey I know you guys have plenty of time to shitpost since your game gets 4 actual fights a year but can you keep it to your own threads thanks

Well done, user

The weebs that play this game are mentally ill.

>death threats
Oh no serious business. I hope the internet police catches him.
Btw isn't that the Wowfag who escaped to FFXIV and made those fucking unfunny Wowfugee explain FFXIV trailer shit?
I hope he does get killed.

>edgy weebs
you are VERY cool user

>People consider TBC peak WoW for the longest time, along with Vanilla and WotLK
>Suddenly Classic gets announced
>UMMM DID YOU KNOW THAT TBC ACTUALLY RUINED THE GAME??
What happened?

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Where did you get 3 weeks idiot? Who are you quoting nigger?
>At least you tried
You act like there aren't going to be other players taking resources, and just to educate your stupid little ass. You're not going to have 2-3 instances, sorry you don't understand how the new layering system works.

"PvP combat, looting nodes/chests, and gaining exp. seem to all trigger the cooldown. Ill test more!". Good luck faggot boy.

>that feel when we will never go home because what made vanilla wow so special wasn't the game, but the community
>that community is now in their 30's/40's with families and have moved on
>the ones replacing them will be fortnite and asmongold orbiter zoomers
Its over bros.

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The tranny shows its colors.

World PvP

Sad part is, i would get banned on official for that. FDucking hilarious that you retards actually think its going to be "home" and not a bunch of retards reporting each other on the server to get a higher honor rank.

youtube.com/watch?v=F0OHHdxqgi8
literally you

Oh no, you used the t-word. My only weakness. Please stop now, before I call the police.

Damn he found a tranny in wow, that means we can't call out FFXIV for half its player base being a tranny, crazy.

I honestly thought Goldshire was the comfiest, and Brill was tied with it. Something about those two zones is just maximum comfy.

nobody said this. fuck off.

cope harder low iq tranny

>prove that trannies play your shitty game as well
>y-yeah, but that's only one (1) person, and your game is 50% trannies
Why aren't you talking about the game you love so much and focus on attacking FFXIV? There's no reason to feel threatened, is there?.... is there?

TBC was peak raiding, not peak WoW
there's a difference

The old models are unironically better.

So were specs in 1.12 classic? Heck, even survival hunter now was usable and that was basically the joke specc before the rework.

Yikes.

Why are nuWoW players so mean?

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Weak, stay wrong.

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>just talk about the game while I sit here and screech about asmon because my game has nothing to do!
I mean, there's discussion inbetween your shitposting?

Based

>prove that trannies play your shitty game as well
Yeah they're a disease user, everybody knows that, nobody said they weren't in WoW. This must be hard for you to accept, being surrounded by them in FFXIV. It's okay little fella.

Context?

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You don't need to rephrase what you said earlier, user. You're still as wrong as you were before.

Anyone else looking forward to helping based asmongold buying his epic mount?

>Why aren't you talking about the game you love so much and focus on attacking FFXIV?
Why are you in a WoW thread right now?
Is it because there's nothing to do in your shit game for braindead weebs?

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PLS SEND INV TO ASMON LAYER!!!

I love the druid den in teldrassil, its a great early game challenge

>Why are you in a WoW thread right now?
Because I've played the game for 14 years. I think that gives me the right to be here and read on classic, even though I will definitively NOT play it, because I'm not a retard.

>guild wars
I like WoW but gw2 killed gw1 and people are still pissed about it.

>because I'm not a retard.
let me stop you right there
maybe go into a thread for things you don't hate to tell people about how much you hate them, retard

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>BfA launch
>Some guy gathers up a bunch of mobs on some farm and starts to AoE them down
>AoE is satisfying so I jump in and start hitting some of them
>Because the mobs are shared, he freaks out about me freeloading
>Tells me to fuck off
>"no"

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you forgot to call me a tranny. Also, no - fuck you. I will stay here and laugh at you Stockholm syndrome stupid fucks.

>I put 14 years into thing
>god I hate thing
you sure you're not a retard?

Imagine that a thing wasn't absolutely garbage for 13.5 years. Mindblowing, I know.

quick, tab back in, your gcd timer is almost up!

Don't you have a 1-2-3 rotation out there to be bored by?

What are you even implying?
If it's that you're not a retard you're incorrect

>implying he has any content to use his gcd in

based

I think it's kind of pointless without a transmog system.

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Wrong about what?

did an XIV tranny just call another game out for boring 123s?
am I reading this right?

Fuck off, shill

Are we /hype/ again? Last I checked Asmon and the beta killed it.

Absolutely based. 0.004 WoW token was deposited into your accounts.

>oh no I'm getting blown the fuck out
>s-s-shill!!
at least you didn't say asmon I guess

FFXIV didn't try to kill WoW, but it's doing a good job at it anyway considering just how trash Blizz is these days.

>lumping in GW1 with all that trash

GW1 was not trying to do anything else but be itself. Apparently years of success weren't good enough for Arenanet so they decided to join the WoW market

Okay, so what did I lie about, you only quoted me once here if you're trying to imply something.

blown the fuck out by retards who don't remember their own posts and a bunch of retards with non-arguments like "t-t-tranny", "GCD l-lol". Please mercy, XxXPussySlayerXxX

The nostalgia is almost palpable...

crazy how XIV trannies always find the time to come into every WoW thread and let them know how much they're playing it...

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Exactly 1 month until release bros ....
Home ....

>go into a FFXIV thread
>maxes out, 99% posts talking about FFXIV

>go into a WoW classic / BfA thread
>people talking about FFXIV
Pottery.

Dont you ever shit talk Guild Wars 1. It was not an MMO, it was a lobby based Online Co-op. It never even attempted or wanted to challenge WoW and was one of the best online Co-op games of all time. Everything else you said is true.

hmm yes, overly loud shitposters definitely indicate a healthy game
tell me more about Yukiko Ameowgis metacritic reviews

I mean sure, you have all day to talk about it when there's nothing to actually do in it

Ret Paladin was still useless unless you were a Blood Elf

>think's the only MMO that still has true ROTATIONS in 2019 is difficult
If the fact that console kiddies can clear ultimate using gamepads doesn't spell out how easy your game is you're just being willfully ignorant.

That said I'm not going to pretend like vanilla WoW casters didn't just mash one spell in raids either. The difference lies in the actual fucking world that surrounds that content instead of just teleporting/queuing for everything while sitting in your house/town.

it's almost like people are too busy actually playing WoW while you shitpost
weird...

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forgot your pic tranny

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>go into a WoW classic / BfA thread
>people talking about FFXIV
Because you guys show up and shit up the thread because you feel threatened, not hard to figure out.

>tfw SV Hunter bros are that low

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goldshire itself was one of the least comfy places in elwynn but the zone overall was comfy af

Those threads used to be cozy and free of shitposting and uncozy nerds sitting on on a cactus, what the fuck happened?

>WoWfags don't go into FFXIV threads and shitpost
We just ignore you, like the insects you are. Day of the rope soon. I hope you're ready.

Any time I've gone in to a FFXIV thread its people talking about waifus and ERP. If you consider this as "talking about the game" then fair enough.

give mabinogi blade and souls movement, combat, and dungeons and you have the perfect game

rolling hunter to play melee does not compute

>XIVtrannies are so threatened they have to keep retreating to death threats
I know the inferiority complex is hard to deal with but chill out man
livestreamfails.com/post/56138

>going home threads are back
>the xiv shills have finally shut the fuck up
>the last 2-3 retail shills have gone back to brainlessly spamming lewds and playing 8.2

finally, Classic discussion is comfy again

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I play both games so good luck with that I guess. Pretty obvious you're worried about Classic, cope.

>I posted it again!
I mean, I don't blame you. I would need to direct my anger towards something too if I still paid Blizzard money.

>the xiv shills have finally shut the fuck up
what fucking threads have you been in?
they literally will not fuck off back to their own threads

The release date happened. Everybody in the threads just wanted to know when they could finally play so people were over analysing every single bluepost/e-celeb "leak" for information, while also reciting comfy tales from vanilla. Once the announcement came (and at a disappointing date), most people just stopped posting because there's nothing to hype up anymore. We know what we're getting and when we're getting it so there's no need for 24/7 threads, and the ones that do get brigaded by ffxiv trannies because they're scared their games already dying faster than BfA.

Trannies are usually rabid and clingy.

Keep up the FFXIV hate, fellas. You might get to 300 posts this time before your thread goes byebye through page 10.
Such a good and popular MMORPG. Most Twitch streamers! I'm so jelly.

pretty accurate post
but also the streamer only 40 cap beta ended, so what little there was to discuss there when none of us could play it came to a halt as well

WHERE MY CHAD DWARVES AT

Undead Rogue with pre raid BIS

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>accurate post
FFXIV retained its playerbase for over a month now. That's more than BfA before the playerbase started its mass exodus.

our game isn't even out yet
but if this is how you want to spend the peak of your expansion, by all means, don't let us stop you

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>all these WoWkiddies still trying to cope
lol

>c-cope!!
seethe

>our game isn't even out yet
Strange, google tells me it's been out for 15 years already.

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>I'm so jelly.
I can tell.

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Holy shit all the girls I baited into sending nudes in AION, I'm sure it's still full of insecure teens

70 more posts, user-kun. Maybe set up a bot or something. I believe!

wow
hard to argue with that logic

>double felstriker
wew goodluck user

hey we're busy playing videogames
you're irrelevant
don't forget

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Hunter or Warlock?

I mean I understand you're butthurt, but why are you reposting the same images over and over again? Post Twitch screencap next time, that's my only weakness, besides being called a tranny of course.

You can very easily see how benign mechanics introduced in tbc quickly turned into an issue as the game progressed.

People said it from the start

oh
what's this
is this the sound of someone being blown the fuck out and having literally no rebuttal?

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60 more posts user, gambatte!
>w-we're busy playing games, not browsing 4 chins
Ok, big boy, you keep believing that. You're going home after all!

All good user. FFXIVs peak can't even match WoWs lowest. Nobody is competing with you here, I can't think of many MMOs that required a complete overhaul and survived, so at least you have that going for you!

>have no argument about people actually playing the game
>better retreat to post count!
gimme more (You)s tranny

>Keeps helping keeped the thread bumped
Based XIV cuck.

I have to keep bumping your thread. I'm afraid it will down the shitter quicker than classic when it comes out if I leave.

Big yikes

>Using gook words in your sentences

Kill yourself stupid fucking weeb.

No, no. Asmon keeps saying "big true".

why not go play XIV instead?

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We civilized people have 2 monitors user. I am playing right now.

> unironically using tranny as an insult
Is this what Yea Forums has fallen too.

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because all modes of content available are already downed

There isn't a mass exodus with BfA anymore though. I unsubbed after a month of BfA's launch and came back to 8.2 to try and find recruits for Classic and I was surprised to see that my bnet had more players on than at launch. I wish Blizz posted their sub numbers still because I feel like this is anecdotal

"playing"
so are you posting inbetween GCDs or are you idling in a house or what

kek Classic is 10 times the MMORPG that Shilltisy XIV is. Your game is so fucking garbage my dude, literally just weeb version of retail WoW.

The fact that you even think you can contend with Classic is a laugh. Stick to competing with retail, that's more your level.

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Yes, we had the GCD jokes in this thread already, thanks for paying attention.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

Reminder that you won't actually play classic for more then a week before inventing a reason to claim it's "not the same" and quit without having to face reality

THAT FUCKING RELEASE DATE
AAAAAAAAAAHHHH
I WONT BE ABLE TO PLAY
I WANTED TO PLAY SHAMAN
FUCK YOU BLIZZARD

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oh right sorry, trans rights are VERY important, I didn't mean to insult you

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htow tauren druid reporting in

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Yeah all 2 raid bosses and 2 dungeons

No wonder they have to shit up other threads lol

Trannies are no longer cute and sexy
It's 2019, when every orc demands to be called a woman and failure to comply will land you 10 years in jail

>raid focus
Assramed pvp shitter detected

>villain
>his goal is plunging the world into chaos
>pro trans rights
Makes you think, doesn't it?

I really hope N'Zoth awakens and destroys Azeroth and we get a WoW 2

This. Don't want to be lumped in with a faction who calls themselves "The Horde."
>Which is basically a horde of niggers (Orcs and Trolls), druggie faggots (Belfs), emos (Undead), Jews (Gobs), and all manner of undesirables
Besides, Nelf and Human areas have nice BGM, unlike Horde areas with ooga booga BGM that makes you want to loot/rob the nearest liquor store. Although I don't really mind playing Cow people, despite the Injun aesthetics.

so just no answer as to what you're actually doing
I see

I was more so just saying it's a retarded insult and doesn't really do much to make anyone feel bad but I guess you are too retarded to understand that

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For a bunch of Injuns, they have better tech than fucking Orcs and Trolls - those two races are truly the niggers of WoW.

It makes XIV players cope with the fact that their game is infested with mentally ill trannies

I mean, you could at least know the end-game content of your superiors, user. How will you effectively attack FFXIV if you're such a dum-dum?

given half the population in XIV is trannies it'll make about half of your population mad, really

>literally comes into a thread for another game entirely JUST to defend FFXIV
>insists others have stockholm syndrome

these trannies are something else

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I haven't kept up with BFA since launch pretty much, why is N'Zoth such a bigger deal than all the previous old gods?

Cope with what
I don't understand how the playerbase effects a player if they can just move along and play it singleplayer.

Not only that but 90% of the time nobody is really talking unless you actively find social groups

Nice source. Have you ever been to goldshire inn? Where do you think futa goats meme comes from?

one pull clear bosses don't really count as bosses but sure

I predict classic will be pretty popular all the way up to Naxx being on farm, after which it will decline pretty rapidly. I also think that Blizzard will take notice of the popularity and try to swing retail back a bit to how the game used to be. Hopefully with more focus on making leveling part of the experience, rather than an obstacle to the goal which right now is doing content at max level.

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Fuck off faggot, I played HW & SB and both times I quit because of the massive content drought between raid tiers

Well then I guess WoW doesn't have any bosses at all seeing that LFR is still a thing.

>summon
>sum
>1
>Whisper: can u sum me
>Whisper: 1
>Whisper: summon
>can we get summons lock?

their endgame is sitting in cities waiting for Qs to pop. guilds are pointless besides ERP inside houses. you don't need a guild to get 8 people to do savage or their hardmode. this shit gets exposed every expansion but being the underdogs to WoW they shill their game to unprecedented levels.

not really sure how you're going to attack LFR when your normal modes are literally the same thing but go on

Are you saying you always have stuff to do in WoW or what? Maybe you are the problem.
20 posts to go, I'm doing my best WoWclassic-kuns

>Group up with people for difficult quests or for sharing quest mobs.
>be just marginally tolerable to be around, which most of wow players fail to do.
>participate in the party chat.
>ask if people are doing other quests in the area.
>quest around with them for a while.
>get guild invites left and right.

you can do it user, classic has parts that actually requires you to interact with people unlike retail. It's mostly a question of if YOU can find people that you can stand to be around.

Last time I was in LFR 30% of the raid could be afk and still kill a boss, please tell me which ShB encounter is like that. I mean, have you SEEN warfronts. Truly the challenging content for professional WoW players like yourself.

mythic+
nazjatar world pvp
mechagon
mythic raids (still uncleared)
2v2/3v3

but have fun running primals for mounts I guess?

Titan normal has literally been duoed already
You're not making a very good case for yourself

>everyone's been saying this since the announcement
>Every reply was "cope"
So enjoy your zoomer, discord tranny hellhole. Enjoy being blacklisted for not passing a streamer all your loot. Enjoy what lightning in a bottle looks like a decade later

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Did you max out your heart of azeroth as well? Why didn't you write Islands, Pet Battles and Warfronts I wonder - it's WoW's end-game content, isn't it?

Flying mounts built the cross and dungeon finder nailed the community to it.

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Link?

If you're into that shit, sure
Why don't you go ahead and list XIVs endgame?

Feel free to just go back to namecalling since I know you're not going to write out how depressing XIVs endgame is

I'm more of an audiobook guy, been saving Childhoods End for something grindy.

I quit BFA for other reasons (mainly WQ burnout) but it never felt like there wasn't anything to do. In XIV you clear savage in a couple weeks and are left waiting literally months for something new worth doing

youtube.com/watch?v=7vs7AVPLjBY

fuck off shill

It's somewhere on Twitter, PLD and DPS, a PLD and hold him and cover 100% of the healing by himself

>ARR

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Idk not even that user, just thought that was what you two were bitching about

>a PLD and
a PLD can*

wowtards with their superiority complex again, what a bore; sorry your game died.

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That guy looks like a fag, what is he?

Why do FFXIVfags always post this tranny character? You can barely tell if it's a woman or a man.

>get blown the fuck out again
>retreat to passive aggressive general posting
this has to be very difficult for you

I don't even understand why people even try to compare FFXIV and WoW classic.
FFXIV is clearly more action oriented, with really basic RPG elements to make it work.
WoW is way more oriented on the RPG elements, with just a bit of action to make it look like there's more stuff happening than just menus.
They are both different things.

Well written villain. A foreign concept in WoW.

no zelda u fag

Xe stands for trans rights so they can identify with xer
See Also it's just a weeb game, they love posting smug anime faces

Can't wait to make my Undead Paladin.

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Are you retarded? FFXIV is an RPG first and MMO second. WoW has always been the other way around.

He is a great villain, he is also a man in case you were that interested.
I have no idea what you're talking about you literal sperg.

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Still looks like a fag

Holy shit a reasonable post
Good job

Sure you don't :)

you're not wrong
the last time we had a chance at development metzen shit a hole through his shorts and immediately bastardized it

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I'm responding to the original post you wowtard. Ew, is this how insecure you are about your game?

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go chill out in your house dude

user, having numbers on a little menu is not what an RPG is all about.
There's barely any roleplaying since you can only choose from two or three answers during a cutscene, and those answers do not change anything.
You can't build a character to make it different than others, if you and I create a Warrior, or a Paladin, or a Dancer, in the end, we will have two very, very similar characters in stats and skills.
As I said, the game is a barebones RPG since there's nothing that differentiate players from other players, stats and numbers are there just for progression sake, and even then, it doesn't do a really good job, since it is just a vertical progression, where everything is invalidated after a new set of weapons and armors are introduced.
I love FFXIV, but it is not an RPG, it is an action oriented MMO with RPG elements.

Yes he also looks like a fag

>completely and utterly unable to reply to
>go back to general shitposting
>no new IP for the thread
hang on I gotta really think on this one

Imagine claiming somebody else is insecure while you shitpost in another game's thread. Go post some more epic janny memes in your general, retard.

In that definition WoW is a sandbox more than an RPG. FFXIV is an Roleplaying game. It doesn't matter if you have choices or not, you're playing a role and going through a story. Let's be real here for a second, shitposting aside, ok? WoW never had a good story. It had references to characters we liked like Arthas or Illidan. The 'story' was always retarded powercreep, corruption or betrayal. It's a saturday morning cartoon compared to FFXIV epic.
FFXIV has some downsides, it's not perfect by far, but it is an RPG more than WoW has ever been.

>Imagine claiming somebody else is insecure while you shitpost in another game's thread.
Now you know what people feel when wowtards shitpost on other MMO threads.

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Raiding will always be XIV's weak point, it has been for the past two expansions and SE has no incentive to change it since people will stay subbed to ERP as a catgirl

I honestly like a lot of XIV but there's no reason to stay subbed when the raid release schedule is so absolutely shit and I'm not an autist who enjoys crafting/gathering

>can't be dethroned
you've already been dethroned without even realising

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>avoidstreamers.com/
Thank you, user. This is exactly what I was looking for. I'll wait until a month after release, and then choose a nice, comfy, streamer-free server.

You really should because if that's is how you inductively reason shit I give my condolences for your brain cells.
If they keep deleting my threads might as well make the wowtards seethe about their shit game lmao

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How can you even argue XIVs RPG aspects over WoWs?
At least WoW has customization in talents, trinkets, stats are more impactful (XIV stats are all watered down,, skill speed getting value from autos/dot ticks for example), set bonuses/azerite, legendaries/essences
But because you like the story in XIV more, that makes it more of an RPG?

this

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Encounters are fine and challenging if you consider you don't have addons who play the game for you like in WoW.
My problem is the FUCKING netcode. It's laggy, it's "slide-y", it's fucking garbage tier. Every time I rescue someone 100% in time to save him from something half of the time he's dying/getting hit anyway, because fuck you - we're going pretend you have 500ms latency and you can't do anything about it.
FIX THE FUCKING NETCODE YOSHI-P.

>tfw getting a 3800x, 5700 XT, and 1440 144hz 1ms IPS monitor
>so I can play Classic WoW

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You know DBM was nerfed to the ground yeah? All it does is list mechanic order, literally the same as ACT triggers

>nazjatar world pvp
Why the fuck is world PvP so good in 8.2. Watching the same fucking retards fight on that bridge between the two camps in Nazjatar and farming honor/bounties never gets old. I think BfA's biggest fault is Blizzard not caving in to the people asking for solo queue for rated PvP, if they allowed it I wouldn't of unsubbed so quickly after launch. I've enjoyed warmode as someone stuck on EU-Draenor, doing arena has been fun since most specc's are varied but viable, yet RBG's are absolutely dead content and i'd happily queue and play them all day if they had a rated solo queue. WoW PvP has always been better than its competition yet they refuse to make BG's accessible and worthwhile

Same actually
144 fps in a 40 man raid is the dream

Story being good or not does not define what a genre is.
You can have a RPG with shitty story, but that doesn't matter in the end, and you are not understanding that.
There are no RPG elements other than stats and item progression in it, and both games share that.
The difference is that you can't truly build a character in FFXIV, while on WoW, as limited as it is, I can have a different character than yours even if we share a class.
Let's say we just both started as a Gladiator in FFXIV, months later we will reach a really similar spot where we both will have pretty much the same stats, skills and everything in between, there will be no differences between you and I, other than minimal stats that won't mean that much on the long run.
Now let's say we both start, a Mage in WoW classic, months later, we will both reach a similar spot too, sure, but there will be key differences on our gameplay depending on our build and race, different trinkets, skill builds, race traits and skills we can use on different situations and gamestyles. We both have a similar thing, with different properties.

Now, if you want to discuss story, both games have their ups and downs, but FFXIV story is not really THAT original, a lot of the things they use are either used from other games or are things they used on FFXI a long time ago, during The Rise of the Zilart, Treasures of Aht Urghan, and Wings of the Goddess.

As I said, I like FFXIV, it is a fun experience to enjoy, but it is NOT an RPG.

>But because you like the story in XIV more, that makes it more of an RPG?
Yes, that's how I've always seen Role playing games. You have tons of customization in Diablo, but that doesn't make it a good RPG game, does it now? That's why it became it's own Hack&Slash genre.
Even in tabletops the #1 was the journey, the adventure, the story, not what fucking trinkets your hobbit has.

Based effortposter

If it runs the way the current client runs it's a literal pipe dream without some meme setup. Like how Tera runs better with a super high clocked dual core.

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Lets not even talk about what a joke XIV PvP is

Did they nerf Weak auras as well? Because last time I've watched fatboss guide for the newest Azshara raid DBM or WA literally made your character shout above their head which debuff it has and a giant custom marker warned that you have it.

>friend starts explaining the story of ShB to me
>for the first few minutes he's literally explaining Zilart but with different names
lost my shit

Diablo is an RPG though isn't it? ARPG specifically?
Not referring to D3, D3 is definitely hack and slash

Not the guy your responding to but it seems you have some preconceived notion of what a RPG should be. Last I checked it means roleplaying game, correct? You roleplay the warrior of light, no?
"Elements of an RPG" all referential to other preconceived notions, no?

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HUH

Dark Souls is an Action RPG, Diablo 3 is a Hack&Slash, but is marketed as aRPG, because it makes it seem like less of a brainless grind.

By a barebones definition, you do indeed play a role, but if that's the definition we're using then you still couldn't call XIV any more of an RPG than WoW since it just applies to both of them equally

Probably my favorite game of all time , but I simply dont have 12 hours a day to grind and eat Doritos like I used to

Maybe I'll pay some chink to level for me

I like TBC in terms of balance but the entire badge/Heroic system really hurt the game. Thats not to say anything about the flying mounts or arenas.

Just pick a class like Rogue or Hunter and play it casually user

I understood what you wrote, but I will still argue that WoW is Sandbox/grind -> MMO -> RPG, in this order.
FFXIV is RPG -> MMO -> sandbox/grind. Many people don't even know what the story of WoW is anymore. ShB on the other hand is not being praised for its raids or MMO content, but for the story and is being praised in reviews as the best RPG of 2019 and the best Final Fantasy made in 15 years (counting the SP ones).

Is it really home if its populated by underage halfwits and hygiene deprived streamers.

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what if I told you you could just not play on the asmon/soda server?

I don't believe anyone "reputable" who has been discussing WoW vs FFXIV is debating whether or not it's comparatively more of an RPG.
I guess my whole ideal is whether or not we have any established axioms to how something should be, it seems we only compare those two games; but idk; just food for thought.

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praised by trannies lamaoooo
47%

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actually the fact that there's going to be one containment server only serves to make the rest of the servers better

Almost all the US servers will be pozzed by streamers

lmao pwnd

>city of heroes
This launched months before WoW did

>"action" MMO
LMAO hard pass

60 IQ: The Post

>I don't believe anyone "reputable" who has been discussing WoW vs FFXIV is debating whether or not it's comparatively more of an RPG.
that is the argument though, these are the posts in question all of the streamers large enough to have any influence are friends and will play on the same server

is it actually 47% now
did the 40% meme actually make it go up?

My friend, you are not understanding the meaning behind my post, and to me, it feels like you are just reading it and making it what you want it to be, but that's not how this is going to work.
Story is good, I am not denying that, but story does not make a game suddenly an RPG just because it was well-written.
Also, just because a game offers you freedom on how you can approach stuff, does not mean it is suddenly a sandbox.
The only TRUE sandbox MMO that has ever been made was Star Wars Galaxies, that game had literally no objectives and you could do pretty much anything you wanted in any way, shape or form.
You are having trouble understanding what these acronyms really mean, and that is a normal thing, so I invite you to read a bit more about it.
Story does not make an RPG, and just because it is being praised for having a good story, does not mean it is a good game, or a good RPG.
If we follow your logic, then, FFXIV is nothing but a shadow of what FFXI used to be since a lot of the story plots are taken from FFXI, difference being that since the engine they used for XI was not as fancy as XIV, they had to write with more detail what was happening, because XIV can just show it on screen with more particles and emotion.

It's the only reason why I haven't played XIV. PvP is near-infinite content in an MMO since the matchups can be so varied and it's refreshing to stomp retards after doing scripted content endlessly. GW2 is the last MMO to even try to innovate PvP. One of the things which made Classic great was its PvP and i'm stunned that nearly every other MMO apart from WoW has backtracked on fighting other players since its so much content for so little development time

I guess what I mean by reputable is "any understanding" as rude as that sounds!
Tab targeting aside their philosophical design is beyond dichotomous that I don't believe it's healthy or worth discussing, because their seems not merit in doing so.

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>It's a japanese roleplaying game therefore it's a JRPG

Can't believe you retards are having this argument again. Genre names mean more than just the words they're made up from. Would you call any game in which you could feasibly "role play" as a character, an RPG? Why is "RPG mechanics" a specific term, if all it takes to be an RPG is role-playing?

dumb yumyum poster

Dwarf or a human for a Holy pala?

Why do people even argue over WoW vs FFXIV when they are so different? One is western and the other is eastern and you can see these differences in every facet of the game. You might as well be debating which is better, Witcher 3 or Monster Hunter Ultimate? Sure there are similarities, but they are really totally different games.

Things like flying and badge gear and dailies might seem bad now, but at the time they were positive additions. Flying was slow and expensive, and it opened up the way to new dungeons and farming zones, like the elemental plateau (where there was a lot of PvP, even with flying). Badge gear didn't replace regular gear, it was just a way to fill the odd gear slot when you couldn't get a new item, it also made the dungeons worth running. Daily quests were also a good addition, since before in Vanilla the only way to get gold was to grind mobs or dungeons mindlessly, or farm professions which can be boring. Daily quests made it viable for the less-hardcore player to get some passive income, also it added rep grinds that weren't just "kill mobs brainlessly". Additionally if I remember correctly, daily quests weren't even available until you got flying, so there was still a barrier of entry (until Sunwell).
t. TBC shill

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Same question, which alliance race for Warlock? Human passives sucked in vanilla right?

I am going to build a Thunderfury and there's not a damn thing anyone can do to stop me

I don't think it matters for Holy, you can play what you like
If you have any plans on even thinking about Ret/Prot though, Human for sword spec

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You see, this is where we disagree.
RPG is story first in my understanding and making your character unique second.
>Also, just because a game offers you freedom on how you can approach stuff, does not mean it is suddenly a sandbox.
Neither WoW nor FFXIV let's you approach problems in unique way like cRPGs do - just getting this out of the way.

If we're comparing customization in WoW and FFXIV you pretend WoW has more options, but for as long as I've been playing WoW every priest was the same, every hunter socketed the same gems, every warrior needed the optimal talents - especially after the pruning. In Legion you've had "a must have" legendaries without which you weren't optimal and were 'lacking'.
So my question is - RPG definition aside:
Which is better. Having little choice in your character customization provided by the game or pretending you have a lot of options, but still being forced to fit into the actual META?

Gnome.

ffxiv + classic, the comfiest combo

>Why do people even argue over WoW vs FFXIV when they are so different?
Good question
A shame every thread has to turn into shitflinging, but I don't know what else I'd expect from Yea Forums
I don't know why I even come here anymore but there's no way in hell I'm going to reddit or official forums or something

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In all the FFXIV and WoW shitposting in this thread, I think you've wrote the single smartest post here, user. Good work. Personally I think there's room for both MMORPGs since they're so drastically different as soon as BfA stops being absolute fucking garbage expansion.

Shan't be doing that. Guess I'll go dwarf.

Gnome is really the best you can do
Humans are great but only for melee, sword+mace spec are absurdly good but sword in particular, all BiS weapons are swords basically

Yeah I know I played on private for tbc and vanilla. TBC was a ton of fun until you hit the badge grind and realize it effectively splits the player base since no one really wants to run normal mode anymore.

I’m playing a human priest with my friends

On the side I’m going to play a Tauren shaman or Druid I think

I also kinda want to make a gnome warlock but that’s really far down the line.

I am pretty exited to play desu.

it also gives me a excuse to play my maghar shaman on retail ever once in a while because I still enjoy nuwows gameplay even if everything else is awful

>aion
oh man i forgot about this. a bunch of popular WoW players from top guilds(kungen, some guys from method, etc) were paid to switch to aion and shill it

>Neither WoW nor FFXIV let's you approach problems in unique way like cRPGs do - just getting this out of the way.
Then by definition, the game is not truly a Sandbox, since I can't approach problems and issues in a way I want to solve it, thus your ranking about WoW being a Sandbox is not true, is it?
Second, story is just a meaning for your character to progress and grow, quality or length of it does NOT matter, it is an essential thing to RPGs? Sure, because you need a PURPOSE for your character to be and to do.

Your second paragraph, this is why you are not understanding this, and why you are still having troubles with this discussion.
Because you are describing Post-cata WoW, and this entire discussion has been about WoW classic vs FFXIV.
Classic WoW had, even if limited, options for customization.
FFXIV has absolutely nothing other than what you want to wear to look different or cooler than others.

>giving nu-blizzard money in 2019.

ishygddt

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>but for as long as I've been playing WoW every priest was the same, every hunter socketed the same gems, every warrior needed the optimal talents - especially after the pruning. In Legion you've had "a must have" legendaries without which you weren't optimal and were 'lacking'.
I'm not going to say there aren't cases where option x is strictly better than option y, but in a lot of cases you do have options
Legendaries were something you would switch through based on situation, one set for a trash pull, set for mobility, set for survivability, get to the boss and go single target, or maybe single target with intermittent add cleave

In the case of classic I'd say it was less balanced and there were more frequently better options, but because of the gold spent on talents and you didn't want to constantly change you might pick improved gouge over something else because if you bump into any wpvp you'd want it, or you might take riposte over something else to help you solo inbetween group content

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XIV on a patch, finish it, move over to classic is probably the best MMO cycle available

just complete retard that belive they get less shit lmao just /ignore next time

Dwarf is still a good pick too, stoneform just gives you a different set of counters than escape artist, one of the most relevant being against rogue

>Then by definition, the game is not truly a Sandbox, since I can't approach problems and issues in a way I want to solve it, thus your ranking about WoW being a Sandbox is not true, is it?
I didn't say it's a sandbox. I said it's "more of a sandbox". When a new expansion hits you're being told "get to ". How do you want to do it? Do you want to go Zone 1 -> Zone 2 -> Zone 3 -> Zone 4 and do mostly unrelated quests? Go ahead. Maybe you want to go Zone 2 -> Zone 3 -> Zone 1 -> Zone 4? Sure. Also make two versions of the story, because muh Horde and Alliance dissonance. By definition you can't have an RPG experience with this kind of progress.

In FFXIV you're being held by the hand and you're experiencing a story, quest by quest as it was designed. Sure, you can make a "choice" to go 1 -> 2 or 2 -> 1 in Shadowbringers, but it really doesn't affect the overall story.

>Because you are describing Post-cata WoW, and this entire discussion has been about WoW classic vs FFXIV.
That's true - I was talking this whole time about WoW as it is, not as it was in vanilla. When attunements and old talent trees were a thing I could argue that it was more of an RPG than it is now.

Anyway it's getting tiring and from what I can tell customization maketh an RPG for you, while for me the story is the core of it. Let's agree to disagree, since the discussion what's 'more' of a genre is kinda dumb to begin with.
It's FFXIV.

they where in prison about to get out, n'zoth is free

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>Classic fags literally can't read

the king can' te dethroned, but is the throne that is not going to be a thing anymore

I've seen this picture being posted around, but you don't understand the context. I've played a druid and the multiple check marks in one row were usually "if you have take X" or "Y is the best choice and provides additional AoE option AND is easier to use, but Z is a good alternative if you have good enough gear and is a DPS+ if you have a higher uptime on the boss".
You have one choice to be optimal, you just adjust the talents in per encounter basis or per soft/hard capped stat. Again: there's no real choice and don't forget the 30 and 60 level talents are meaningless utilities.
Pic related is a good example of what I'm talking about.
It looks like it's a choice, but if you know the fight you 100% of the time will choose one talent over the other, because there's really no choice to be had.

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First off, utility choices aren't meaningless, they're probably the best examples of talents since they're 100% preference
Second, no matter what you do, something is going to be better - if something does 1 more DPS when you're doing 100k DPS you would take it just to do 1 more DPS than the guy next to you
I'm sorry, but scrapping it all and removing any potential picks is definitely not the correct answer

Rogue here, had 6 rogues up to WOD, gonna roll a female undead one for wotf. I'm coming home lads!

>female undead
cute

Nah bruv it's gonna be comfy middle aged vanilla pvp.