Playing DDR

>predetermined events
>influenced by user input

In other words they're not predetermined

All books, movies, music, tv shows and media in general are predetermined events.

Apart from the rat nest of wires and the too low to ground TV, I'm actually pretty jealous of the actual hard DDR pads.

>what is state
>what is abstraction
>what is metaprogramming

faggot retard kike

But there is no problem.

Also you went from "a simple winning condition" to "all winning solutions". There's no real winning solution to a grand strategy game or something like Minecraft outside of the ending they tacked on.

>everything in a game is a scripted sequence
How does it feel being factually incorrect, retard?

>Playing quake
>son walks in
>”You are just strafe Jump spamming and using splash damage!”

Fighting Games

Every game has a meta, an optimal set of actions within the rules of the game

>Playing Life
>Machine walks in
>"You're bad at this"

Welcome to the way things have worked for the last seventy years.

Except in any game it goes deeper than that. Just because some tactics are more optimal than others doesn't mean you pick said tactics and automatically win. You've gone from
>all games are predetermined events
to
>all games have metas so that's the same thing as a predetermined rhythm game

The industrial revolution was when Nightmare World began

2+ player games (or games simulating multiple players) simply have variable winning conditions, like a game of chess. You could win a game with a queen and a bishop, but not if you lose all three. Not to say you still can't win even without.

There's a reason Minecraft is often not considered a game because it is too open ended, there is no winning condition at all. It's an interactive experience, or a simulation, not a game.

Bassed and matrixpilled

We truly do live in a society. When will we rise up, brothers?

games with no win condition just release chemicals in your body to make you feel accomplished, just like games with winning conditions.

They're shit eBay pads

What is the meta of a CYOA game?
If you say the "best ending", who decides which is the best?

BASED image user.

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I'm not the predetermined events user. The meta is about the actions that provide the maximum progress towards the game's goal, so following the neta by definition is the correct action. Every game presents goals and obstacles to reaching them, that's what a game is. You can be creative all you want but there's always an optimal decision.

But following the meta might not always be fun

>just release chemicals in your body to make you feel accomplished

I fail to see how that relates to your initial point. How does that make the "all games are just winning conditions involving predetermined sequence of inputs" valid?

You're just throwing something unrelated in as a smear to try and discredit the initial point.

"And you're just doing what kikes tell you to do."

>Dad goes to work
>"you're just doing what a kike tells you to do"

I agree, in fact it's almost never fun. It separates gamers into two groups, the autists (focused on the goal) and the normies (focused on having fun).

and you're just doing what /pol/ wants you to do

((()))

You know you don't get good goy points here, right?

That's a false dichotomy though. Winning is fun for a lot of people.

The meta is ultimately determined by the best players, that's inherently part of what the term means. If a game dictates the meta that heavily then it isn't really a meta. Its why the best players in the game can effectively play "off-meta" and change the meta that way.

If you're going to change the subject then you should indicate as such since you're addressing posts that are replying to the "all games are predetermined events" argument.

Minecraft is objectively a game though, and all games are simulations in some form. Trying to disqualify it as a game simply because it doesn't meet your narrow view of not being open ended and requiring a win condition isn't going to work.

As for chess, Bobby Fischer while he was the world champion and #1 rated player in classical Chess, argued in favor of randomized starting positions (nowadays the most popular form of shuffle Chess is Chess960, aka. Fischer Random Chess). This was to address the prevalence of Chess theory: calculation and deep understanding of strategy being swamped by preparation and rote memorization.... and that was before computers came along (nowadays GMs might play 30 turns of preparation before their first novel move). Another obvious example would be Poker.

Again, I am not that user.

>variable winning conditions,

Is the exact opposite of "a simple winning condition and that involves particular inputs, nothing more"

Read the second line of that post.

fucking degenerate

I go to bed at a reasonable hour so I wake up on my own.
You can't?
LMAAAOOOOOOO

You would have not survived pre-industrial age

Years ago I got some cheapo DDR pads, a big sheet of plywood, and a plastic roller mat for office chairs.
It worked out really well to be honest.

Set an alarm? It was a machine telling you when to wake up in the morning!

Your wife sends you a text to pick up some groceries? It was a machine telling you and her what to do all along!

>are the epitome of this design.
Finished your sentence for you.

>have sex, father