Fighting games are one of the most unbalanced videogame genres in the market, if not the most: >On any other videogame both opponents have a 50/50 chance to win, with skill and experience tipping the scales towards the best player while still giving the other player the chance to win >Fighting games give 100-0 odds to the most experienced player; as soon as the match starts the veteran traps the newcomer / less experienced player into an infinite combo lock, with the victim being able to land a single hit during the entire match >They don't reward true skill. The experienced player just has years of practicing the same absurdly complex inputs, inputs that made sense back then due to arcade machines' archaic controllers, not now when special attacks can and should be mapped to single buttons.
It's not a controversial fact. I don't understand why everyone, from Yea Forums to the FGC reacts so violently when you point at the elephant in the room.
>They don't reward true skill. The experienced player just has years of practicing the same absurdly complex inputs >posts sfv what did op mean by this
Grayson King
This pasta's getting real stale
Jaxon Hughes
As long as zoning continues to be a thing, fighting games will suffer a slow death.
Mason Cooper
Zoning is dead in sfv
Jaxon Sanchez
This pasta is retarded. I’m going to hijack this thread to ask if anyone knows when they are releasing the season pass for Power Ranger BFTG? I see Trey and TF Pink but I can’t find anything about a release date to actually play as them
James Gray
>People who are bad at the game lose. >This is unfair
Ayden Murphy
>any other videogame both opponents have a 50/50 chance to win
Stopped reading there because OP is obviously retarded. It's never 50/50. One player or one team is better and they're the ones who win. The games that are closest to even are professional teams playing against each other. That's when what happens during the match actually matters.
The only time the better player or team doesn't win is when there's a huge RNG element. Poker is one example. Bad players can still win in that if they get super lucky.
What OP is actually complaining about is how unwinnable a fighting game seems when the other player is better. Literally no different to a novice chess player playing against a pro. People want to win despite being shit which is why team games are more popular than 1v1.
Robert Hall
Could someone this retarded really exist?
Grayson Russell
name a modern fighting game that is played competitively which has viable zoning
Thomas Nelson
sfv, mk11, samsho, unist, melee
John Ramirez
>Faggot probably plays DBFZ, SFV, and MK11 and is whining about zoners.
Landon Green
you don't know what zoning is
Daniel Howard
go ahead and let me know how menat isn't a zoning character
Jonathan Gonzalez
she's also not viable, SFV is a game of momentum. If you're not pressuring you're going to lose.
>she's also not viable LMFAOOOOOOO you're retarded man
Joseph Morgan
This pasta is fucking stale
Kevin Robinson
You're joking right? Plz tell me you are.
Austin Richardson
I'll never understand people who type like they know everything when they're actually clueless retards
Parker Rivera
Capcom killed Menat almost 8 months ago, she hasn't been played since. They've also took Guile from being a top 3 character to mid tier at best. Top 4 in this season >Akuma Offensive Shoto >Rashid Rushdown >Bison Charge (??) >Ibuki Rushdown Slowest is Bison and if you're whining about him "zoning :(" you you're an autist.
Easton Rogers
eeehh, user has kinda of a point, the only reason shes truly viable is due to her retarded ass vtrigger which is the best rushdown move in the whole game, without that all of the upper tiered chars would just be able to unga her specially in 3 out of 5, i mean if you give that vtrigger to lets say, alex, he would be top tier too without an inch of zoning
Jonathan Morales
bison is a gorilla counter hitter, aka rushdown without strong mixups
Gabriel Allen
sako almost exclusively plays menat and is currently 15th in capcup points your top 4 doesn't include karin, who is unarguably the best character right now you're a retard, stop posting
Alexander James
Karin has no projectiles. Sakonoko's the only relevant Menat player.
Elijah Howard
karin isnt a zoner anyway
and with sako, i mean yeah hes doing good with menat, but thats one guy and its one of the most successful and talented fighting game players to ever live, that doesnt represent the overall state of sf5, thats like saying sf4 was a grappler friendly game cause snake eyez did so well in it with zangief that people started picking sagat just for him, regardless that graplers sucked there
Matthew Johnson
t.super bronze
Thomas Rivera
>Karin has no projectiles and?
>Sakonoko's the only relevant Menat player wrong, jwong also plays her at an extremely high level
you obviously know nothing, can you just stop
David Gray
>People hate zoning >People hate grapplers >People hate blockstrings >People hate oki You people fucking suck
Owen Perez
>karin isnt a zoner anyway never said she was, he made a top 4 list that didn't include the best character in the game. just goes to show how little he knows about it
>that doesnt represent the overall state of sf5 he asked for a viable zoner, I gave him one
Justin Sanchez
It's Street Fighter not anime, characters without projectiles can't zone unless they have full screen buttons like Dhalsim. Justin hasn't even been doing that well with Menat. There's an obvious difference between the lameness he could pull last season between now.
Jason Butler
it's easy, just don't play garbage like sf5 and you won't have this problem
if you don't respect zoning, you don't like sf. it's that simple
Thomas Butler
>characters without projectiles can't zone unless they have full screen buttons like Dhalsim then I guess it's a good thing she has a move that controls space even better than a fireball and has buttons that go half screen honestly do you even play this game?
Caleb Phillips
>I didn't include the best character in the game in my top 4 because this other character who isn't top 4 isn't in my top 4 ???? just stop pretending like you know what you're talking about
Alexander Kelly
This pasta is pretty stale.
Ian Bennett
I only play fighting games for the tiddies and butts
>Good buttons = Zoner We're talking about Street Fighter not anime. Her anything Karin can do fullscreen is reactable and leaves her minus directly in front of you. Anything bigger than crouching medium kick is whiff punishable even online.
Jace Turner
Most tier lists lately have put Karin high-mid tier. It's only since Punk has started winning again that people started bitching about her.
Isaac Anderson
How is it that SF5 females can look so fucking good but one bad angle and they look like fucking gorillas? Chun seems to be the only one that doesn't have this problem
Jackson James
Same shit happens with MK 11 women
Jackson King
has anyone other than Sako even placed higher than 8th with Menat in a major? Does anyone relevant other than Sako even play Menat?
Christian Diaz
your fucking peanut brain can't even keep up with the convorsation, menat is the zoner not karin
karin and rashid are #1 and 2 respectively punk's return this season and phenom and bonchan's performances prove that
Wyatt Torres
I want to like fighting games, but it just seems like theres no payoff to git gud. I've found quite the opposite of OP'S statement - a noob can beat somebody like LTG just because button mashing is a viable strategy. You accidentally hit combos with random inputs and can win.
Jason Flores
jwong was one match away from top8 at final round sako has been in multiple top 8s at premier events this year, you don't accomplish that without a viable character
Brandon White
>your fucking peanut brain can't even keep up with the convorsation Nah, you were whining about Menat and decided to bring up me not placing Karin top 4 as a way to deflect my argument. >Just because Punk plays Karin doesn't make her the best character in the game.
John Miller
ZJZ, Rockpon, Go1 (when he was still playing SFV competitively).
Menat demands execution so naturally she isn't that popular
Ian Brooks
Justin and Sakonoko are the ones carrying Menat, not the other way around. You can name at least 15 characters better than her, and her being "viable" despite her low returns for a high skill floor character is a testament to this season's balancing.
Dominic Miller
>you were whining about Menat stating that a character is a zoner is whining now?
>to deflect my argument no I used it to show how little you know about that game and thus your retarded assumptions (like menat not being a viable zoner) are unfounded
Michael Jackson
>Play online fighting game >You are in the bowels of laggy wifi hell with every match having wildly different timing to combos
>Play online shooting game >Very little lag in matches, every game feels exactly the same, laggers are few and far between
The genre is absolute shit just based on the reality that it doesn't work online. Fucking Dark Souls plays better online than your typical fighting game.
Parker Butler
I hate how links feel in street fighter games? Any tips on getting used to them?
Cameron Evans
again, you don't make multiple top8's against the strongest competition in the world while playing an unviable character
Benjamin Powell
OP is right, nothing in this thread or any other can prove him wrong. Also, fighing games are fun
>Yuzu/Hilda sitting full screen blasting away while trying to keep stealing back vorpal as you attempt to get in isn't zoning
Charles Watson
>It's a "/vappa tries to talk about fighting games" episode I hate reruns.
Gabriel Powell
Underrated post.
Isaac Wilson
aren't trading card game people always trying to get a trading card game that is designed so that the more skilled trading card game player wins the trading card game, and aren't they like triggered by RNG forcing the win ratio to skew away from this? I swear I've heard hearthstone players talk about this when they were trying out the witcher one or something.
Lucas Smith
Well for some reason a bunch of people on Yea Forums like SF5 so yeah it's pretty clear they don't like SF
