I just got done reading the Witcher books and holy shit they're bad...

Fine, it's mostly the character

Geralt is always up his own ass about being a witcher.

Yen is a bitch from start of almost finish

Triss has the biggest 180 character turn i've seen going from being someone who gets mad at geralt and the witchers for not helping the world to joining a lesbian cult and activly betraying her friends for no reason other than Pihipa told her too

Ciri is just plan boring and is fucking worthless. She's never gets out of trouble on her own and she's fucking given magic powers by the plot when needed. She's more of a McGuffin than a character since EVERYONE is after her and "muh magic blood"

Ironic the series had 2 fake Ciris and they're both better than the real one

>Says they are bad
> Doesnt justify the affirmation

Stop shillin g for CDPR, doesnt need it.

...

this makes me sad

Is it true that they don’t suck in Polish. If so that sucks, makes me regret not learning a second as a kid, then maybe Id be able to learn (at least enough to be able to read) polish as an adult.

I liked them

Okay so you didn't like the characters. That's what you should say from now on.
"I didn't like X" as opposed to "X is shit".
Again if you want people to seriously consider any of what you're saying it's gonna take more effort than that.
Seriously do you think anyone here gives a shit that the source material didn't live up to its fanfiction for you?

contrarian retard with no taste

So they made an explicitly white character a nigger instead of Yennefer, who apparently isn’t explicitly white, because they couldn’t give a nigger that much screen time. Based

>reading them in english
finnish was based as fuck

>Seriously do you think anyone here gives a shit that the source material didn't live up to its fanfiction for you?
you did enough to respond several times including to this very post

wrong user, user.

3 has pretty bad pacing, 70% of the game is doing boring quest that we have seen for the last 2 games, and the finale is laughably bad.
They butchered Geralts character and made him a snappy wisecracker and everything just feels wrong. act was boring when it should have been climactic.
The entire last

You read them in English didn't you? The english translations are incredibly literal and perfunctory and feel sterilized as a result, it loses all of Sapkowski's subtlty and wit from the Polish originals.

Do yourself a favor and read the Polish editions and then get back to me.

but that would require me to learn another useless language

Does the polish translation change any of these
I can't imagine a bad translation no matter how off changing that

Oh right, I forgot Americans are adamantly monolingual. Nevermind.

Cope vassal. Cope

oh piss off you posh prick. Are you saying everyone in Britain is bilingual or even trilingual?

nigga I know more than one language, I just don't want to learn polish

>Know more than one language
>None of them are as important as English

I agree with that though.

I only learned another for my own amusement

Listen man, I'm already trying to learn based nihongo

>just learn a whole other language so you can read my shitty video game books
Not to mention polish is a notoriously retarded language.

>load up Polish in Duolingo just to see what it's like
>first fucking word is "dziewczynka"
what the fuck is this language?

Well it is at least slightly less retarded then Finnish

Finnish sounds heavenly though, literally the language of the high elves, Polish sounds like farts and spit.

doubt it, it's like how weebs always say their fav weeb crap was ruined in translation

>dziewczynka
>Listen to the audio
>en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dziewczynka
>Jiff-Chin-Ka
What?

>Geralt is always up his own ass about being a witcher.
Gearalt hates everything, and is a misanthropic, chronically despressed, and somewhat suicidal loner who even his own little band constantly remark about how miserable he is to be around, he wants peace and quiet, and to be loved, but knows everyone thinks hes a worthless freak and will never give it to him. He has severe mommy and abandonment issues, with the world basically cleansed of monsters, he barely even has a purpose, and so takes contracts and does whatever the fuck he wants because he doesn't give a shit about being alive, because in his mind he has no reason to exist. Then he falls madly in love with Yen and to his shock she does the same, but his inherant insecurity makes him run away from it because he can't give her the one thing that would make her the happiest, which is a child. Not only can he not give her one, he has no desire to be a father anyway, he doesn't want anyone to rely on him, because that means he would have a reason to actually be alive. Then Ciri enters the picture and trying his best to throw her away because hes scared to death to be anything but his lonely despressed self, he realizes he enjoys being her father, he enjoys teaching and caring for someone, he understands why Yennefer wants a child of her own so bad and realizes he can finally give her one. Now contrast this with the games where Geralt is middle ages Batman, who is a friend to everyone, cracks wise at the drop of a hat and is usually loved and respected by the locals for solving their problems to the point poor little old ladies ask him for help.
I could go over every other character you listed, and explain why you're so retarded, but theres no point, as you are the epitome of a gamenigger who doesn't actually give a shit about writing or characterization, or build up. You want your shitty action hero capeshit movie in game form, but the plot is so DEEP because a few characters are morally grey.

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Geralt getting teased by his friends for brooding all the time while they cook out in the woods is one of the best moments in the books
The Geralt/Dandelion dynamic is also way weaker in the games since the devs just use Dandelion for comic relief most of the time rather than as Geralt's best friend and truly equal person who helps out as best he can. Only the first game ever actually shows Dandelion directly stepping in and helping Geralt

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>read it in a different language
hate this meme

I don't know if there's anything more bitchboi related than reading one of those pointless books.

Reading a Star Wars book?

The first two books are great, Witcher works really well in short stories structure, the saga itself it's meh

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Was it kino?

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Sorry, nobody cares except you identity politics faggots. Don't reply to me.

No it was absolutely retarded along with every other time the white frost was mentioned in the games because the books outright state the "white frost" is goddamn climate change and not some mystical universe hopping blizzard thats going to destroy everything everywhere.
The entire white frost bullshit is a shining example of how the games are shitty fanfiction, and why I laugh anytime someone complains about Triss being a nigger and then champions the games as such a faithful adaptation

I read the german version and its fucking great imo.

Apparently the finnish translation of the books is supposed to be really good. Never read em though

t. finn

You cared enough to reply.

The first game treats it like climate change and that's why the Grandmaster is practically insane since his plan is to beat the ice age by turning people into mutants
The third game just gives up on being true to the books at all, though

Sounds like a trash book
>boo hoo hoo I have no purpose DX

Honestly the one good thing the netflix show did was reveal how many supopsed "fans" of the Witcher are literally on the "tee-hee I like Stars Wars so nerdy lol" level of the fanbase.
There is no fucking way anything in the show can be as stupid as Ciri working with Avvalach, liking and trusting him more than FUCKING YENNEFER, and the goddamn white frost being my magical space blizzard that Ciri is destined to stop when the entire fucking point of her character was a play on the trope of the holy destined child

The first one is good, but the rest are bogged down with political shit and Ciri.

this. the last wish is amazing.

It isn't even climate change, it is just an Ice age and since something like 70% of the landmass is in the temperate region the world will get fucked by unending winter

He told you not to reply to me

fucking got him.

I get it, you don’t like black people, user.

>It isn't even climate change, it is just an Ice age

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Who does?

You know what I mean.

>I don’t know the history of the buzz words I use

Did you miss the entire part before where Nimue explains to Tilly how the world is slowly growing colder year by year, how the ice caps are changing, and how the climate then from even 100 years ago is vastly different, or do you think climate change just means chinks pumping out billions of miles of smog a day

OP here. I agree with this. The short stories WERE great. Partly because if had to character DOING HIS FUCKING JOB which is more interesting than WHERE'S CIRI

I didn't think you were using the term in its most literal term.
But it doesn't matter, Ice age/Climate change, same thing.
Did they ever actually mention how far into the future those sorceresses were?

Yeah, if that was his game character thats about as far as it would go and as deep as the character would be, thankfully books, unlike games are written by people who didn't get rejected to write hallmark channel movies.

They also reverse the order of the elves. In the books they wanted to "rescue" (and enslave) everyone from the white frost. In the game they want to invade to protect them from the white frost

Geralt fights 3 monsters (his job) in the entire series including the short stories. More than half of the short stories are set ups for the novels, and Geralt thinks he knows where Ciri is the entirety of the novels. You've never read the books.

This the Aen Elle

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The short stories are good, but the major stories are bad.
But the strength of the Witcher is the lore, not really the plot if you think about it.
So many things lend themselves to video games.

Who invented the two swords thing? Sapowski
Who invented the witcher schools? Sapowski
Who invented the medallion vibrating when magic/monsters are near? Sapowski
Who invented the witcher doing alchemy and drinking potions? Sapowski
Who invented the monster slaying questing/curse and curse lifting? Sapowski
Who invented all the world politics? Sapowski
Who invented the range of monsters included, some pulled out from obscurity? Sapowski

Just saying. Yes CDPR and the games did a monumental amount of heavy lifting in making the books into games (they could have probably done it with any other IP as rich), but Sapowski does deserve a lot of credit too.

It was like 5-600 years at least, enough time for the story of Ciri to become a forgotten fairy tale. The book is horrible with years anyway.
Those are dryads

Those probably the dryads of Brokilon seeing as how there are no men (scoia'tael and aen elle are at least half male).

>Sell rights dirt cheap because you think it fails
>Becomes a gigantic success
>waaaaaaaah i wasn't paid enough waaaaaah
sapowski is a moron at best

why is this trailer so retarded that they talk about the elves and show dryads?

>That thing in the river
>The succubus that he just lets free
>Golden Dragon
>Zeugl
>Striga
>sylvan

>Gearalt hates everything, and is a misanthropic, chronically despressed, and somewhat suicidal loner who even his own little band constantly remark about how miserable he is to be around, he wants peace and quiet, and to be loved, but knows everyone thinks hes a worthless freak and will never give it to him.
And this is the fucking problem. He has NO reason to be this way because it's not true. Boo-hoo I'm a witcher, everyone thinks I'm a freak and hates me even though for some reason I'm fucking swimming in pussy, have friends and even family who cares about me.
The best part of the books was Dandilion calling him out on his bullshit and telling him EVERYONE has problems and he's not special. But he doesn't take this to heart and continues to mope around undeservedly

> has severe mommy and abandonment issues
Which was resolved early on. He left on a good note with his mother who is still around

>with the world basically cleansed of monsters
He says this but there never seems to be a shortage of monsters in the book. When he reaches Tossiant he has more contracts than he knows what to do with

>Then he falls madly in love with Yen
I'd hardly call using a wish to make some random person who almost got you killed when you met them stick with you "falling in love"

>Then Ciri enters the picture and trying his best to throw her away because hes scared to death to be anything but his lonely despressed self, he realizes he enjoys being her father, he enjoys teaching and caring for someone, he understands why Yennefer wants a child
I also call bullshit on this. He keeps pushing her off on other people every chance he gets. I honestly never felt he cared for Ciri because he always went on about how they're destined to be together, rather than because he likes her. It felt more like he was obligated to care

>wtf why didn't this 50 year old man living in the equivalent of a third world country for 85% of his life, who already sold the rights to one company before who never produced a product realize this adaptation of his then 5 year old book series would make millions over 10 year from now

damn..

yes, you should. theres allways something lost in translations

>I'm fucking swimming in pussy, have friends and even family who cares about me.
The sorceresses only want to fuck him because he is infused with magic and Yenn is bound by fate to keep running into him. Triss is the only one that actually "loves" him.
And the only fucking friend he has is Dandelion.

>selling rights to make something out of your IP
>giving 2 fucks about how much they might not make out of it
????¿¿¿¿
are you afraid the one you sell rights to will go bankrupt and then demand their money back from you or something? the fuck kind of retarded logic is that

This is bullshit and you know it

First book ALONE has 3 monsters he's contracted to deal with. he has a vampire, some goatmonster helping elves and of course the striga

Wow I was excited for this too

>That thing in the river
1
>The succubus that he just lets free
You mean Regis's hookup who never actually harms anyone and is literally 1 sentence long?
>Golden Dragon
didn't fight it
>Zeugl
2
>Striga
3
>sylvan
never fought it and had 0 intention to unless you think it hitting him in the head with rocks while he tried to talk to it is a fight, that entire chapter was about elves

tbf he wasn't hired to kill the vampire (bruxa?)

He's been with normal human women before. Little eye and Shani. I also think Corel's assistant should count since she wasn't a sorceress yet

>And the only fucking friend he has is Dandelion.
You're forgetting his witcher brothers, and he had no problem making friends on his journey. Even befriending a vampire of all things. There's plenty of people who like Geralt

I mean technically but are we really going to split hairs on if he was contracted to fight them first? He left the guy then returned when he realized it was a vampire who was "controlling" him.

Wait, I also vaguely recall him killing something blocking a road at one point.

The German books were translated by a prize-winning fantasy/scifi author who is fluent in several slavic languages and has a physics degree. The English translations are pretty horseshit, and I wish I had read the first book in German instead. The English one omits every single reference to a Polish myth or folklore material to the point where it reads like a any fucking generic British/American fantasy book.

Stay the hell away from the English translations.

Speaking of different languages, this is the greatest multilanguage song Ive ever heard.
youtube.com/watch?v=lMvAAfPs0UE

>You mean Regis's hookup who never actually harms anyone and is literally 1 sentence long?
she's mentioned several times during the stay. Geralt even asks Regis if he needs to say goodbye to her before they leave.

>didn't fight it
He intended to

He did. It was a griffion.

He also fought several monsters in the wine cellars at Tossiant. At one point 3 at a time

He also fought a pack of ghouls to save that guy who ended up bringing him to Ciri. You clearly didn't read or pay attention to the books

>And this is the fucking problem. He has NO reason to be this way because it's not true. Boo-hoo I'm a witcher, everyone thinks I'm a freak and hates me even though for some reason I'm fucking swimming in pussy, have friends and even family who cares about me.
God I can already tell you're a legitimate 15 year old retard. Yes people want to fuck him, and it means nothing to him, its a way to pass the time, because he has 0 hope, dreams, ambition or future. he's cursed to fight a further and further depleting stock of monsters, most of which local guardsman kill anyway. He has literally 1 friend in Dandelion, and some bros he gets drunk with during the winter before they all set out to try to kill themselves again, he has no lasting relationship with anyone, no one to live for, no one to share anything with.
>Which was resolved early on. He left on a good note with his mother who is still around
You means as he begged her to talk to him while he was dying, and she induced him to sleep and left before he ever regained consciousnesses? Wow what a great resolution, everything is fine now!
>I'd hardly call using a wish to make some random person who almost got you killed when you met them stick with you "falling in love"
Not going past this, you literally don't understand the books and think the shitty fanfiction from the games that they're tied by it is true. He wished that their fates be tied so if the djinn kills Yennefer he'd die too, the djinn can't kill its master which is the only way he could save Yen. This is constantly referenced even to the point of Emhyr having them both sentenced to death, and them both "dying" at the end. Them being bound by a djinn to love each other is the single most obnoxious and retarded fanfiction bullshit in the entire games and literally ruins both of their character arcs. There is no goddamn love spell between them.

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Holy shit

Yeah, The Last Wish was the best of the bunch.

because the dryads of brokilon are elves.

>user hates everything, and is a misanthropic, chronically despressed, and somewhat suicidal loner who even his own online friends constantly remark about how miserable he is to be around, he wants peace and quiet, and to be loved, but knows everyone thinks hes a worthless freak and will never give it to him. He has severe mommy and abandonment issues, with the world basically cleansed of good games, he barely even has a purpose, and so plays trash and does whatever the fuck he wants because he doesn't give a shit about being alive, because in his mind he has no reason to exist. Then he falls madly in love with porn.
This is me

i always have to cringe when book trannies try to say that the books are better than the game when they are in fact literal garbage. They are only relevant now because they games are actually good by just cutting most of the books garbage.

>God I can already tell you're a legitimate 15 year old retard. Yes people want to fuck him, and it means nothing to him, its a way to pass the time, because he has 0 hope, dreams, ambition or future. he's cursed to fight a further and further depleting stock of monsters, most of which local guardsman kill anyway. He has literally 1 friend in Dandelion, and some bros he gets drunk with during the winter before they all set out to try to kill themselves again, he has no lasting relationship with anyone, no one to live for, no one to share anything with.
You're missing my point. He has NO FUCKING REASON TO ACT LIKE THIS. HE doesn't even try to fix his situation. He's perfectly able to but doesn't. He WANTS to be in misery. That's fine but I'm not going to accept his sob story when he alone is the reason for it.

>You means as he begged her to talk to him while he was dying, and she induced him to sleep and left before he ever regained consciousnesses? Wow what a great resolution, everything is fine now!
That is not what happened. They had a talk, she explained what happened, she healed him, they went their separate ways. She obviously cared about him

>Not going past this, you literally don't understand the books and think the shitty fanfiction from the games that they're tied by it is true. He wished that their fates be tied so if the djinn kills Yennefer he'd die too, the djinn can't kill its master which is the only way he could save Yen. This is constantly referenced even to the point of Emhyr having them both sentenced to death, and them both "dying" at the end. Them being bound by a djinn to love each other is the single most obnoxious and retarded fanfiction bullshit in the entire games and literally ruins both of their character arcs.

The wish is never absolutely stated, only alluded to. My point stands, you shouldn't need magic tying you to someone in the first place

>dryads of Brokilon
More like Dreadlocks of Brooklyn

It's more like jev-chin-ka

AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL
AND POWERFUL

>That book was terrible.
>Time to read 7 more.

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>HE doesn't even try to fix his situation. He's perfectly able to but doesn't.
How the fuck can he fix his situation? Make his mother not abandon him? Repopulate the world with monsters? Not make his entire being a subject of scorn for almost everyone he meets?
>He WANTS to be in misery.
I'm glad you finally figured out the plot soint behind his entire character, maybe if you give it 5 years you'll understand the books are a story of him overcoming that.
>That's fine but I'm not going to accept his sob story when he alone is the reason for it.
Thats because you have the actual and emotional IQ of a young teenager, and can't understand anything beyond "lol he get pussy y u sad bro lol"
Done responding to you, your entire viewpoint was warped by literal fanfiction and you're mad that the books have actual stories and characters and backstories and motives and that people behave like actual humans with flaws and aren't "Roleplay as medieval Batman chad" like the games are. I could give a shit less is some double digit IQ tard like you ever understands what the books are actually about, stick to games and capeshit.

Nigga who the fuck learns a second to language to read one book series?

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Shut up, Reddit.

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You identified him as reddit and got angry. He is right.

These are the kind of books that are considered good by people who read mostly comic books

based

>No it was absolutely retarded along with every other time the white frost was mentioned in the games
just accept that the books in the games are different universes

>They butchered Geralts character and made him a snappy wisecracker and everything

They turned him into a womanizing pretty boy from the grotesque monster that he is supposed to be from his mutations.

Already been said, but the english translation is awful, don't bother to read the series if your gonna do it in english

>How the fuck can he fix his situation?
are you serious. The dude is a witcher and constantly gets offers for different lives in the book but he turns them down

>Not make his entire being a subject of scorn for almost everyone he meets?
No one who isn't already a fucking ass has a problem with him being a witcher. He literally walks into towns and no one fucking cares. People are typically happy to see him cause they have a problem.

>I'm glad you finally figured out the plot soint behind his entire character, maybe if you give it 5 years you'll understand the books are a story of him overcoming that.
Despite what you might think I'm 30. If you honestly feel being an adult is anywhere near this I'd go one some anti-depressents

>and can't understand anything beyond "lol he get pussy y u sad bro lol"
Which puts a hole in the "Scorn of almost everyone he meets" also i said pussy and FRIENDS and FAMILY. He has people who cares about him even though HE pushes them away.

Look can we just agree to disagree about Geralt and just agree the other characters are shit

Just throw some consonants on the wall, see what drops, you got it.
Joking aside, I would like to learn some slavic languages.

Kurwa, piję za mało

This was fucking retarded. The entire book everyone is going on about THE END OF THE WORLD MUH WHITE FROST HAS BEEN FORSEEN! only for it to be a gradual change in climate? I honestly feel this was a last second change because Sapkowski didn't feel like addressing it. He didn't even wrap up the elves chasing Ciri

The entire point is that people are dumb and silly for believing it's the end of the world while it's just climate change
It's almost as if there's even a passage in one of the books dedicated solely to making fun of having firearms readily available to the populace for self-defence since bandits will just acquire the weapons easily too and use them to terrorise the common folk
Sapkowski likes to comment on the real world and poke fun at things

It was a subversion of the usual tropes of fantasy literature like literally every other story and character in the books.
>He didn't even wrap up the elves chasing Ciri
He did though, the unicorn stayed back and fought them off to buy her time. They can't time hop like Ciri can to chase her forever.

>polishing this turd into a respectable game world.
lol

>people are dumb and silly for believing it's the end of the world while it's just climate change
Did Sapkowski work for Exxon in the 80s? Is that how he knew about climate change?

Just because you're 12 isn't an excuse to not know climate change wasn't some buzzword made up in the past 10 years.

They called it global warming for the past 20 years until about a year ago.

It's making fun of retards who believe in stupid prohecies.

Stop posting until you graduate middle school.

No one used the term climate change. Go find me some old articles with it. Try your hardest.

No they're pretty bad no matter what. It's sort of like everyone saying the russian versions of metro and stalker are significantly better. They're still just as shit. It's just that the voice acting doesn't feel as hammy.

wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/nas-1975.html
wow that was hard

First words:
>This little-read report
Ya everyone called it climate change, broski.

Not that user but you should learn how to prove for every vs there exists.

You seem like you appreciate the books without being fanboy tier retarded about it. What did you think of the ending - particularly the party wipe and Vilgefortz's role?

the first two are ok but as far as writing goes they're basically Twilight tier. It's just a fucking book though, you read thousands in a year unless you're some Yea Forumseddit shitter. Some are bound to be average.

>National Academy of Sciences/National Research Council called it climate change int he 70s
>well johnny Carson never called it that! This is sum more fake news!
Don't worry Cletus maybe when you hit 25 you'll finally graduate middle school so you can post here

No doubt Exxon scientists called it climate change too. Hence my original comment. But the public at large called it global warming for the past 40 years. Well more like 20 cause they mostly ignored it until recently.

Regis: Hey Ciri I;m with Geralt come with me I'll take you to him

Ciri: NO I GOTTA FIND YENIFFER!

Regis: Can't you just join up with Geralt first then look for Yeniffer together?

This fucking bitch pretty much killed Geralts entire party.

I'm annoyed how pointless Milva's death was. There was no reason for her to continue to be out in the open shooting arrows

I think the party wipe was done well, especially Milva's. A lot of people don't like Cahir's but Cahir was never really a symphtetic character to me, he was basically a pedophile and his motive never went beyond "I love Ciri" and he dies to techincally save her so he does get the valients nights death to save the one he loved. I love Angelooume as a character and she had by far the worst death just bleeding out, and Ciri had seen enough bullshit by then to where it wasn't really impactful, I understand why it had to happen though because the end of it all with Emhyr needed everyone but the main 3 dead or else it just wouldn't work.
I loved Vilgefortz in the sense that he had no ulterior motive or grand plot, he just wanted to be a fucking god and have people bow to him and was a completly and utterly irredeemable character which is refreshing when everyone tries to make a villain morally grey, or give him a reason for doing what he does.

God and I thought muslims were the only ones with that excuse. B-but you misunderstand this quote because the koran can't be translated!!

>he was basically a pedophile
How? He washed Ciri and that was it. If he was a pedo he would have done more or expressed a want to do more

The books aren't THAT bad but the translation sucks and even if it didn't, they're not all that interesting. The only instance where the books are not necessarily better than the movies/games that I'm aware of. But yeah, it isn't until you put them side by side do you realize just how well CDPR did.
No but really, read them. It isn't just the translation, the plot and characters can put you to sleep.

The books are fun, youre just an asshat

Pretty sure falling madly in love with an 11 year old because you saw her naked makes you a pedophile

All your female relatives love black men and their cocks, cuck.

HA
jokes on you, I have no relatives

>Pretty sure falling madly in love with an 11 year old
She fell in love with the 30 years old Ciri.

u wot m8

Keep in mind this is a medieval fantasy so a 1200 ad Pedo isn't the same as today. I mean by this standard almost everyone in the story is a pedo since everyone and their mother is trying to fuck her

I imagine that 80% of the writer's craft doesn't come across in english the monkey language, but you're probably still retarded

they were literally written for middle schoolers
it's so edgy it feels like the author himself was 14 years old

In his dreams she appeared as a 30 years old and he fell in love with that version.

She's 14/15 by the time most people are trying to fuck her, and Mistle who is the only one who ever actually does is also her same age so its not that weird. Plus everyone except Galahaad at the end are made to be creepy or shady people like the dude who had Kelpie and the cannibal, and the elf king just wanted to rape her to get his bloodline back and found her so repugnant that (on top of being 10 billion years old years old) he couldn't even get his dick hard.

Dude people in the 13th century werent trying to fuck kids u retard. They had a lower adulthood threshold at 16 but thats about it. Theres a big difference between someone who just started puberty at 12/13 and someone whose at its height. 12 yo were kids back then and the people trying to fuck them were recognized as pedophiles same as today.

I agree with what you've said here. In my brain the framework and structure of what happened in the Witcher books was incredible. It was just written/translated like shit.

When you stand back and talk about it, like in the way you've written, the books seem incredible. But personally the raw experience of reading them was the fucking worst; I didn't enjoy actually reading it but when you reflect on the events themselves the idea of the events actually become better.

and also just for arguments sake, she's described as very tall and adult looking for her age later in the story, whereas when Cahir sees her she's some runty 10 year old. Yennefer even points out how "developed" she is for her age after she spends the year with her

>Netflix customers are mostly söyjin
>Change their adaptation to cater to söy sensibilities
Mercantile but not the least bit surprising.

so read the first two and wiki the rest?

i can't wait for the hussite trilogy translations

Season of Storms is also pretty good. Read those three and wiki the rest

Wow, that's some dedication. I could barely sit through one book. CD Projekt Red really did a good job at making the world interesting and enjoyable.

I just love the series as a whole. I mean I know I've shit on the games a lot for the retarded shit they did to the plot but they're still some of my favorite games. I just read the books after I played the first game, and the first game is 85% some shitty retellings or allegories to the books, so unlike a lot of people I went into the other two games knowing the real plot and really disliking some of the fanfiction choices they made.
Overall I just love the whole world and characters of the series more than anything, especially Yen and Ciri. I think it just meshes everything together so perfectly and has some of the most interesting and sometimes even comical ways that it subverts the average tropes of fantasy literature.

>‘I won’t lie to you. I saw her constantly in my dreams. And not as the skinny child she was by the river, when I undressed and washed her. I saw her . . . and I still see her . . . as a woman; comely, aware, provocative . . .

>No way fag. Witcher books are good.

They are pretty good. Some things I didn't like but overall they have some very strong points.

Good:
>great, well thought out fantasy setting
>good political intrigue
>lots of interesting and memorable side characters and supporting cast
>good mystery writing
>it mixes long story lines with shorter term ones
>good comedy with in depth set-ups

Bad:
>more fun when Geralt is just a working Witcher in the short stories
>Unless he is fighting monstersor a sorcerer, Geralt seems invincible and this drains tension from action scenes
>Same with Ciri and everyone in Geralt's party except for Dandelion and Cahir
>This makes Ciri's whole story less interesting, she's a bit of a mary sue, surpassing Geralt
>Bonhart starts out like really cool character with a believable motivation but then kind of devolves into a madman

God that nigress has such a punchable face its astounding that and game yennefer is peak womanhood.

>>Bonhart starts out like really cool character with a believable motivation but then kind of devolves into a madman
Thank god I'm not the only one who was bothered by this. Out of nowhere he has some bloodlust hatred for her for no reason

Hotsporn

It wasn't out of nowhere. She humiliated him when she escaped and later he got BTFO by Yennefer too.

I've seen a lot of people bring this up, and theres valid reason for it, shit like him suddenly turning into a rapist is just completely out of nowhere and horrible writing, especially when he spends half a book dragging Ciri around on a chain and could have done whatever he wanted to her but makes a point not to, and tell her that, just because he enjoys seeing her suffer more than any sex could bring.
But as a counterpoint I'd say that this is a dude who has killed literally everyone effortlessly, including full blown witchers, and yet this stupid little smart mouthed teenage girl keeps 1-upping him over and over, even though she's still scared to death of him the entire time. I think he was supposed to be having some kind of mental breakdown and it was just very poorly conveyed.

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Oh damn, I had forgotten about that ice-skating nonsense.

basically goes "You can't say the books were bad, you didn't read them all"
Reads them all "lol if you hated them why did you read them all?"
Sense = none

bonhart hated having to deliver her unraped to vilgefortz but did so for the rewards. he just wanted to hustle her out in claremont fight pits

>It wasn't out of nowhere. She humiliated him when she escaped and later he got BTFO by Yennefer too.

I don't see how someone who goes psychotic rapist so easily could have had such a long and successful career as him. He seemed much smarter and controlled before.

No he was like this before she escaped. When talking to Vilgafortz he had a weird desire to see him mutilate her. This came out of nowhere since up to that point he had been in total control of her

Did you skim over the part where he tied her down and forced her eyes open to watch as he dissected all the rats? He was always a full blown sadist

English translation sucks.
Thankfully finnish one is a masterpiece of translation.

If the characters are shit then the book is likely shit as they are the most important thing.

The characters aren't shit though, they're by far the strongest part of the series.

It's bit annoying that the first 2 short story books were better

>he dissected all the rats
That was funny. + they deserved worse.

I couldn't do the first game. So I just YouTube/read the game and I'm glad I didn't bother playing it because it was just stuff ripped from the short stories.

I do love the series as a whole as well. In a lot of ways I've extirpated the bad parts in the books and the artistic licenses in the games and what remains is a property that feels like one of the most cohesive settings I can think of. There's a lot of excellent worldbuilding that was accomplished in the books that couldn't be ignored in spite of the presentation in English. And looking back at it all, the games (giving you the opportunity) to make Triss out to be even worse than she was in the books was actually incredible.

I do enjoy that the central theme of the story that is carried throughout is one of family. The books snuffed it out but the games just picked it up and continued telling it and in a competent way. My favorite thing about the Yen and Ciri family dynamic with Geralt is that everyone that sends Geralt aid at the end in Kaer Morhen is there for Ciri OR (in my opinion more satisfyingly) because of the few things Geralt did that were unequivocally good and kind things. Because Geralt wasn't a piece of shit and was a good person people came. Hjalmar, Vessimir, Lambert, Eskel, and Yen were there for Ciri. But Zoltan, Roche, Ves, and Letho were there for Geralt. Seeing Crach an Craite at the end too was basically perfect. The only person missing was Ivoreth, which makes me really sad they didn't go back and just do his cut questline in Witcher 3. At the very very end, when Geralt gets to retire in Corvo Bianco, it's just so fucking satisfying because you know he deserves it. That speech from Regis didn't feel corny at all because he was clearly addressing us and the journey we took with Geralt through the books and the games.

>Did you skim over the part where he tied her down and forced her eyes open to watch as he dissected all the rats? He was always a full blown sadist

That seems like it should be par for the course regarding law enforcement in that setting. He needed the heads to collect the bounties, proof of the kill. Making her watch tells her she needs to stay in line. I took this as him being a character like Gene Hackman's sheriff in Unforgiven.

As much as I loved that part (Cause I hated the rats) it still doesn't make sense. I get he figured out she was worth more than he was getting paid for but even so his obsession with her personally didn't make sense. Yeah he's sadistic but he always at the start seemed like someone who was rational enough to see her as a tool. Getting personally involved instead of just taking money and fucking off didn't seem right

>That was funny. + they deserved worse.

Yeah, this. They were murderous bandits. Nothing Bonhart did at that point was out of place for a controlled, intelligent, all-business bounty hunter.

Thank god I'm not the only one who felt this way. They almost made me drop the books. Seeing them get murdered was the oasis in a desert

(((You)))

Yeah man I'm totally gonna pick up a language less than 1% of the world population speaks. I love wasting my time!

>As much as I loved that part (Cause I hated the rats) it still doesn't make sense.

Law enforcement in such a setting is about making examples. Like chopping the hand off a thief in front of the whole town. Retribution and example. That just seems like a law enforcer doing his job.

Oh no

It was personal after she escaped.

>That seems like it should be par for the course regarding law enforcement in that setting. He needed the heads to collect the bounties, proof of the kill. Making her watch tells her she needs to stay in line.
Thats valid but I'd say making a spectacle to go out of you way to make sure she watches you behead her lover/rapist/mother figure as she's still technically alive and sitting in her own piss shit and blood goes a little beyond "just making a point"

>Geralt goes emo
>Dandelion has enough
>"Geralt every fucking time you're being a faggot"
>Dandelion writes how great Geralt in his adventures
Geralt being a whiny fag with his BFF is preddy comfy. Too bad netflix is going to make him some superhuman bad-ass.

>Joins a group of bandits
>Falls in love with her rapist
>Kills and robs innocent people for fun
>Rats get killed
>She immediately starts talking about justice and ending evil

What did Sapkowski mean by this?

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That is at least 66% of this board.

>make sure she watches you behead her lover/rapist/mother figure as she's still technically alive and sitting in her own piss shit and blood goes a little beyond "just making a point"
he had no way of knowing any of that. As far as he knew they were all just friends. If even that

Yeah, like he said contrarian retard with no taste.

>Band of dwarves
>Yarpen and the gang
He's friends with the weirdos.

That she's a 15 year old girl who spent the majority of her life being raised in the highest class possible and in the span of 2 years lost her grandmother, her entire country, her adoptive mother and father, all her status, and was used as nothing more than a trading piece or rape bait by everyone she meets.

> I meant for Ciri to be a monster. I wanted to show how people turn other people into monsters. Ciri is Evil, Evil incarnate. Everyone makes a monster out of her: the Rats, the sorceresses, Bonhart and even her own father Duny.

The Rats were famous in all the little shantytowns, and Mistle and Ciri made no attempt to hide that they were a pair. Theres even a passage about how they'd always ride side by side holding hands when they'd do their little robin hood act and throw their gold around

That'd be fine if she didn't start spewing justice talk and going off about how evil is bad. It makes her seem lacking of selfawreness

It doesn't help garelt also says something to this effect. Want Ciri to be evil, that's fine but I felt it wasn't done well

One thing that I thought was stupid yet feel was fucking incredible was at the very end when literally everyone put their shit on hold and came together to save the world.

It was one of those rare and unreal moments in storytelling. It's the story of aliens invading Earth and all the nations putting aside their differences to fuck them right up. You always hear that story but you don't see it. In the end of Witcher 3 you see it. Nilfgaard and Skellege delayed the war to coordinate their fleet, the Lodge's survivors revealed themselves, and Avalach betrays his race in order to save them. Any of these parties had great reason to absolutely murder each other at the last moment but they didn't.

God, watching Crach at the end was the best moment; it was just as fucking powerful as Vessimir's end. CDPR fucking paid off a few pages in the books of Crach waxing poetic about how much he loved Ciri when she stayed that winter in Skellege when Yen came to him for help finding Ciri the FIRST time.

a lot of languages in the area go consonant-crazy. but once you understand how the phonemes are actually formed, it becomes pretty straightforward.

it's like a combination of starting to learn French and being confused about all the ways vowels connect, and starting to learn something like Danish which has a few unique vowel sounds that you just have to learn.

That doesn't mean HE knew that. He's a famous bounty hunter who has been all around. I doubt he cares enough to know the latest bandit gossip. If nothing else he didn't say anything alluding that he knew

>That'd be fine if she didn't start spewing justice talk and going off about how evil is bad. It makes her seem lacking of selfawreness
Thats the point, she had just spent a year being a bandit, and was always a hotheaded brat to begin with, she's playing a role and larping as a hero when she doesn't even understand it, and most of the stuff she does is actually selfish and only benefits herself. Like the deal with the Inn where she kills her trackers, not even being aware 2 dead royal trackers in the village is gonna get the owner hung and the place probably burned down. At the end of the series once she's been with Yen and Geralt for awhile, she goes back and wants to apologize because she realizes all the trouble she caused

>It makes her seem lacking of selfawreness
She lacked selfawareness since The Sword of Destiny short story. In the story she manipulated a guy to help her escape and she didn't give a fuck when the dryads killed him

>At the end of the series once she's been with Yen and Geralt for awhile, she goes back and wants to apologize because she realizes all the trouble she caused
She didn't realize enough since she was still upset about the rats dying. Not even a mention of the bad things she did while with them. Hell she still misses her rapist.

It would have been nice if she had turned evil and ended up being an antagonist but she flips and flops so much she's a bad character. It doesn't help the books focus on her so much. This isn't even going into her other problems

People are not often happy to see him. He gets into fights just for being a Witcher.
What the other guy meant was probably that yes, people can be flawed and unreasonable. Geralt for sure is. He has his own charm but the insecurities related to being a Witcher etc. are also a part of him. "He shouldn't be like that" you say. Wew lad, go back to books about Chads Thundercocks.

yes but she was a princess so I felt it was understandable how bratty and calus she was. After being raised by Geralt and Nenica in the temple and Yen I expect more

I've read the books 25 years ago when I was a kid and I loved them. Would probably think they're bad if I read them again now. I guess it's like Harry Potter, but with swearing, fucking, and violence.

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imagine from all the literature available, """"people"""" pick up and read the witcher. lmfao.

lol no they fucking don't, nigger. Go seethe elsewhere

Children are pieces of shit, what can you say?

I think one of the most satisfying things about the story is that by the end of the games Ciri turns out to be fairly well adjusted in spite of all the horrible shit that happened to her. It's unrealistic as fuck that she isn't mentally broken but I don't care. It's nice to see Ciri not end up like some cynical piece of shit... like Geralt from the books.

Yarpen is literally the best character in the books.

how old is that book and how old is that illustration? I'd laugh if the book is over ten years old, but got reprinted with that blatant Witcher 3 artwork just to sell copies.

I haven't read the books, but I've been told that the books and the games are completely different and that the author doesn't even like the games very much. So that's where the comedy comes in, him reluctantly tarnishing his vision with video game artwork.

maybe if you localitsation fags did you would stop posting smug shit about triss having brown hair.

Fantasymundo: Permit us to do a rapid round of questions. Tell me the first thing that comes to mind when we say…Triss Merigold

AS: Pretty and red-haired, but insecure

>She didn't realize enough since she was still upset about the rats dying. Not even a mention of the bad things she did while with them. Hell she still misses her rapist.
Of course she does, they were her adopted family for a yearish.
She flips and flops because she's a stupid teenager, she's not some anime character who gets 50 thousands pounds of shit shoveled on them when they're 15 and just decides "Yeah! I'll save the world with friendship!!"

My point is that there's so much evidence to the contrary. If you wanted him to truly feel like a outcast you shouldn't have him with friends, family, and the ability to fuck women with ease. Make his other witchers not care about him, get rid of dandilion, and make whores charge him extra and I'd see his point.

you actually sound like schizo

The retarded and lazy American publisher used game artwork for the books.

Only American copies of the books get the game art
You can easily find proper versions of the books, also in English, with better cover art

I think they are a fairly decent teen-adult series, Geralt adventures and character dynamics are pretty fun and the world kinda interesting, quite similar to The Name of the Wind. Just a cool, fun trip with a bit of drama on top, not gonna knock your socks off but it's a pleasure to read.

Kinda elevated the games for me, specially 3 which contains many sidequests that continue plot threads from the books but don't stop to tell you details about it like it assumes you've read them already.
People will have endless gripes with the gameplay of W2-3 and I will agree with most of them but as a continuous series sprawling through books and games, it's a really satisfying narrative thread to follow.

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Why is Zoltan his dwarven friend in the games? They barely knew each other.

He probably shouldn't have literally used the polish word for chestnut to describe her hair color then.
Sapkowski will change his mind depending on what makes him the most money, he wrote SoS and added some shit from the games even though he decides to randomly despise them. The only thing you should ever take into account is what he wrote in the original 7 books.

Lazy writing. In W3 they merged Zoltan and Yarped into 1 character.

is Ciri even in that book?

Agreed. I loved the first two and then Ciri enters the picture and it's all magical wizard princess witcher virgin girl because girls can be witches too and because of her super special elder blood she doesn't even need the trial of the grasses. Bullshit.
>the tavernkeeper in the first game which tells her story and Geralt just replies 'yeah right'

Yes, but she's ~16 years old.

Yes, it's the last book. She's 15 years old in it, though

Not him but I agree. Books were amazing. Maybe you're the retard with no taste?

>white frost is climate change
>climate change was invented by Al Gore after losing the election
You're thinking of an ice age as they have happened, unlike 'global warming'

>???
>Yennefer of Bangladesh
>Fringorilla Nigro

First book was originally published in Poland in 1993.

Based and lonerpilled.

If you read them in English yeah.
It is pretty bland - because it lost like 90% of the charm in translation.

Sapkowski's other works are medicore to be honest, with exception of one sf short story.

> the books and the games are completely different and that the author doesn't even like the games very much
That's partially true, but the games have some dialogues, scenes and other stuff that is literally 100% copied from the book for the sake of fan-service.

You have to read them on slavic language. It doesn't translate well to soulless english.

But why did Geralt even invoke the Law of Surprise? Was he that bored and just wanted to fuck with Emhyr?

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First book was great because they were all silly parodies of old fairy tales.

The books start all right and become worse with every new volume until that clusterfuck of an ending
That hack of a writer owes CDPR that anyone outside Poland gives a fuck about his characters

The short stories were alright.

Because translating is HARD.
Most media loses quite a lot of nuance in translation.
When I was a a kid I read quite a lot - mostly translated to my native tongue. Now I reread them in their original languages and god damn they got so much better.

Making me hope the whole show is told from their perspective kind of like the Ciri saga was.

Emhyr literally begged him to accept a reward.

That's a really terrible quote to pick for Yen. The only two physical characteristics are black hair, which the actress has, and violet eyes, which don't exist.

The Law of Surprise isn't even a thing, it was made up bullshit to vilify Witchers (don't accept their kindness even if you do they'll steal your children from you!) that Witchers use as they want. Just like the whole deal with them having a "code" that isn't even real but just an excuse for them to not do shit they don't want to do. Geralt invokes it because he doesn't actually want anything in return.
Then because Sakowski jerks off to flipping everything on its head this does actually end up in him getting some promised child

True but Emhyr had just invoked the law of surprise too with Pavetta. Geralt doing it back at him was just a dick move and then when Ciri came back to him in Brokikon he didn't want her

Most literally, he felt sorry for Duny but didn't want to work for free.

Less literally, it's sort of the founding myth of the series. He did it because he did it, because it makes for a good story.

I took it as Geralt who didn't believe in destiny putting destiny to the test, to see if there's something to it. When she actually showed up it freaked him out and he tried to get rid of her. when he relaized destiny was real he went along with it

But Emhyr invokes it and he's not a witcher, just a douche.

You just proved my point.

>Ciri is Evil Incarnate
He didn't really say this, did he?

Yep, Sapo wanted to go for the Clint Eastwood cowboy with Geralt, that dirty vagrant that just happens to make every women wet their panties, but turned out ridiculous (as ridiculous as Clint's self directed westerns)

Good points, thanks for your insights

Baptism of fire was decent and so were the short stories.

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Emhyr fucked up with this arrogant line:
>If there's talk of a price, then I should be the one to pay. I assure you I can afford it.

ive only read the last wish. should i read the rest?

>penis envy

Yeah he's announcing he's the villain right there

read the other short story. Maybe season of storms. That's it

>Agreed. I loved the first two and then Ciri enters the picture and it's all magical wizard princess witcher virgin girl because girls can be witches too and because of her super special elder blood she doesn't even need the trial of the grasses. Bullshit.
>cannot into signs
>cannot into magic
>physically inferior to most, only gets by through being taught by Geralt and the others
>only strong point is the teleportation bullshit
OK

No one recommends season of storms, it came out in 2013 and obviously trying to ride the games. It should be read after all others because it's relatively unimportant.

It takes place before the main novel and has events and characters who are intoduced in that book

>it's relatively unimportant.
which is why i recommend it. Anything not part of the main novel is good

"Climate change" was a term used in broader sense.
But you're correct about global warming, which is probably why he used global cooling in his work. It's not like ice age is something made up in the last 10 years.

First two books are kino. Others are good but can get a bit annoying sometimes.

English translations of books are known to be to literal and loose the "style" of the writer.
If you're european, always go for you're native tongue.

You sound like an FBI agent

>only reading fantasy and sci fi
>complaining about translations

you guys are hilarious

Stop being reasonable, this is Yea Forums

>He didn't even wrap up the elves chasing Ciri
He kind of did in Season of Storms when he says that in the future all the elves are evacuated to another world via a big gate, implying that the elves caught Ciri and had their way with her.

Yeah bro because i'm gonna take the time and learn your shitty serf Yuro third world commieblock monkey language because "It was lost in translation BRO"

Lmao fuck outta here and get me a coffee

But they are conducting identity politics with their Hollywood trash?

They explicitly look for "BAME" actresses. Anything but white.

They are mentally ill Jew freaks who LITERALLY want to get rid of whites

Wake up you retard

This. Wtf is wrong with people still not seeing what is going on in 2019?

they want everyone to know they're noble sjws helping wretched minorities get hollywood roles but they also don't want to ruin their show by casting black people as main characters

>adapt books to the small screen
>change the canonical appearance of characters
>"it's an ADAPTATION, ok?"
Why do people twist the meanings of the words to fit their agenda?

The first two books are good. Then it becomes mediocre to bad. The bonus book he wrote recently is trash.
CDPR are magicians

Didn't understand it ≠ trash/bad

Oh yeah sure it was so Machiavellian that my brainlet didn't quite manage to grasp it, Sapkowski is truly a genius

Books are way better than the games. Geralt is a bufoon in the game 3

>l-learn this third world language and it's kino I-
Shut up faggot, the books suck dick and so do you.

>my brainlet didn't quite manage to grasp it
Correct.

>Who invented
Lets be honest here, nigger - none of this is exactly Tolkien tier innovation.

CDPR did the heavy lifting.

the translations are bad, the originals are much better

Witcher 2 > Witcher 3
Open world was a big mistake. Imagine Witcher 2's narrative but better which was only possible with a chapter based system of the first two games where your choices actually mattered.

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Copy-pasting (and misinterpreting) isn't exactly "heavy lifting".

I thought wisecracking Geralt was out of character in 3 but then read the books, where he also wisecracks

3 lacks his heavy moralising

if you think these books are anyway a piece of respectable or well written literature, then you are the zoomer

>to joining a lesbian cult and activly betraying her friends for no reason other than Pihipa told her too
tell me more about the details

Most of them didn't need to die, but Sapko was determined to have a sad ending to his story.

Dandelion's a real bro in the books much more so than the games

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Bro, America is the size of Europe. Driving from state to state is like passing over multiple countries for you Eurofags. We don't need to know multiple languages to assure we can buy our fucking groceries if the person behind the counter happens to be a Hungarian.

Been saying this since TW3 came out, but I'm also not contrarian enough tk say I didn't love my time with TW3, even if the game gets played out if you start doing a lot of side quests. At least the side quests had some decent MSQ level shit happen in some of them, though.

This is unironically true and the Bible has the same problem.
You can't understand the Bible if you haven't read it in the original Greek version or unless you have the open mind to realise that things might just be mistranslated if something doesn't seem right.
This is literally how most religious arguments happen.

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Remember that "W" in Polish means "V"
That's why names like Stanislaw are pronounced Stanislav.

So it's Dziev(Jiev)-Chzyn(chin)-ka