Isekai Games aren't as popular as Anime makes them out to be

I think it was more popular on the indie scene. I know a handful of rpg maker games that do it. But if they were ever finished, I can't say.

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That's not how those words work.

>how can the lead of the story be the opposition of the lead of the story

Learn writing 101

That's not the issue, moron
Op claims anime portrays isekai games as being popular

-t. moron
GO fall in a vat of acid lol

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Isn't technically every videogame that's not taking place in the real world an isekai from the perspective of the player?

No

Isekai games barely exist because isekai is literally based on video games so there would be barely a difference.

I mean the only difference is that isekai protagonists start with some OP power or at least that their knowledge of modern human civilization gives them some advantage. Those would simply not work in a real game as it's not fun to have cheats enabled in an actual game.

What else is there to an isekai except for the protagonist to be OP? A person travelling to a fantasy world is quite lame and has been done a lot of time in any case.

youtube.com/watch?v=uTJTZSHyxto

The player is outside the story form and irrelevant to it's genre categorization.

I've never heard of Isekai before.

i hate the isekai fad so goddamn much

It's garbage, I'm a little mad that classic otherworld transportation stories like Twelve Kingdoms or Kanata Kara or Anatolia Story etc are now lumped together with the modern abomination that is the isekai genre

I have read quite a few isekai LNs and I swear there is not a single good one. Some start strong like the faraway paladin which had a great first volume but they all eventually turn to shit or become extremely repetitive like konosuba.

What anime makes it seem like Isekai is a popular genre in games?

It will pass eventually.

You can have a game where the protagonist is the villain, but you can't have a game where you play as the antagonist. The whole point of "protagonist" is that it's the character that the player follows and "antagonist" is the character that is against the protagonist. I know it sounds like pointless semantics, but just trust me.

OP has it backwards. Isekai is based on video games, video game mechanics to be precise. Isekai as a story element is not really popular at all in video games.

all of the video game themed ones, so most of them

The ones that play out like an MMO.

nier

Play E.Y.E

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ITT: mentally retarded anons who can't contribute to a simple topic.
>Story of their life

>let me use everyone's lives (without their consent) to fuel an alternate universe in which I'm a prince and that other guy can walk again, nevermind whatever life people in town had before this
>Marche was wrong on stopping this

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Which ones? I can't think of a single one

So how do you explain the games listed?

But that's just using videogame mechanics in the story, its not saying that a lot of games are isekai, just that a lot of games are in generic fantasy worlds.

If you can't contribute to the topic, don't post.

What games? Final Fantasy Tactics is literally the only game in this thread that could be remotely described as an isekai.

Retards think setting and genre are the same thing.

>write a retarded op
>"guys pls don't bully"

If you're playing as a character, that character is a protagonist and not an antagonist. Do you understand, amigo?

Lol

Halo and Skyrim aren't Isekai and there's only three other games listed in response to OP, 4 if you include OP itself which is over a decade ago.
That's hardly popular.

PLAY E.Y.E
YOU ARE A JIAN'S JIAN

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The POV and Protagonist are not the same thing.
God. Did everyone here fail high school literature?

Cant moogles do ultima charge a gunner range with concentrate? Thats pretty good

Anything with a character creator is an "isekai" game, OP is an autistic retard who is taking a statement from a single show set in a fictional universe and generalizing it

There are no games that are directly based on the fad as far as I'm aware, at least nothing original.

Pokemon Mystery Dungeon fits the bill in some way though.

Nah, op is just an autistic retard who thinks being coy is cute and clever and a good way to start a thread

Brave story is a very standard isekai story. The novel it was based on is really good though. It's isekai done right without all the pandering shit.

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The isekai genre describes a normal person from "our" world being transferred to a fantasy world.

Most games with a character creator start you off as an established character in the world despite the visual changes you can make, they don't fit the bill.

Which proves you and they know exactly what OP means, and you're just playing stupid and trying to change the subject because you have some sort or contrarian mental disorder.

I haven't even played EYE and I know what EYE user means. It's not that hard to understand.

Genres are not adjectives.

To those saying he's wrong, I think he's actually just asking about Baton Katos

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So what? OP is saying that fantasy settings aren't popular? Because that would be even more retarded.

Rayearth, even though it's based on the anime.

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Consider suicide for trying to argue semantics.

skyrim is a dream world though

Fuck off, op

Marche is so fucking based. That kid drops the real shit from the beginning.

POV and Protagonist are different things, but Protagonist and Antagonist can't be the same person unless the Protagonist is their own enemy in some way.

>tfw you're just some background mob character in a god's cuck fantasy all along

I think you should stop reading into it and saying saying a bunch of stupid stuff.
Just list games that have a portal fantasy story - that's the topic.

But that's still not applicable to shit like Eye or even Oblivion. It is still your story. You chose to do those things. This isn't 3rd person limited/omniscient shit.

That's a setting. Not a genre.

Isekai has to involve a character from one setting moving to another setting in some way.

A character creator doesn't count because within the lore of the story, that character has always existed there. If the story had a character creator in the real world, THEN said character moved to another world, that would be Isekai.

>Protagonist and Antagonist can't be the same person unless the Protagonist is their own enemy in some way.
>"Some"

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And even then, there is a clear protagonist antagonist there as conflict vs self

Genres aren't perspectives.

>But that's still not applicable to shit like Eye
Commit door hack fail

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Was Mogeko's Castle isekai?

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Technically the elder scrolls is isekai. CHIM levels of lore imply the game is self aware it's a game, in the dreams of a dead god, inside of another dead god, inside of shards of that dead gods body, inside of nirn.

That's not what Isekai means otherwise every fantasy game would be Isekai

Expand your horizons amigo

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How does any of that make it an isekai, the dreamer doesn't transport to another world

That's not isekai. If there was all of that then someone from outside the dream fell into the dream, THAT might be isekai. But what you described alone is not isekai.

Is Final Fantasy XIV Isekai?

A character can be both protagonist and antagonist during a story like as in switching, but they can't be it at literally the same time.

You posted about perspective.

Go study.

KOTOR,BOFIV

See I disagree about this and even on /m/. Simply beinhg transported to a new world isn't isekai. Else Escaflowne is isekai too.

Not any more than The Martian is Isekai. Or maybe the multiverse in any comic book.

You are literally retarded. Lower than looter tier braindead Bartley Booligan tier vegetable brain damaged. I'd say hang yourself you utter Fed but knots are clearly beyond your comprehension

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Isekai would be fun if some fedora tipping neckbeard or gigachad would be transferred instead of average anime protagonist faggot every single time.

TES is reverse-isekai

>in the west girls act like dumb bitches
>in japan girls act like children
I prefer white women physically, but nip idiosyncrasy is hot

Muv Luv. No seriously. It's the best isekai "game" I've ever played.

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>Isekai is a genre of fantasy anime where a character travels from the world they know to an unfamiliar one.
Seems like it is.

Well I am glad you admitted on wasted your time playing video games rather than studying since you don't even clarify your shit.

Other than Tactics Advance, I can literally only think of Magi Nation. It's not very common.

No More Heroes is KIND OF Isekai? Normie gets pulled into a criminal underworld rather than another world.

best isekai game is sims because it lets me make a family

I was gonna say that I feel there needs to be a like break in reality between the two worlds, but I guess stuff like .hack//sign and SOA are isekai and that's just being stuck in vidya, so I guess Shadowbringers is isekai.

I'd count it if you're only counting shadowbringers. I'm just surprised there isn't an MMO Isekai. You'd think that would sell with NPCs kinda talking to "yourself". Something where you play some "online game" and suddenly you get teleported and you can go in and out the game.

I wouldn't count it.

You know I am glad no one is bringing up dothack because even though it has the trappings of one, it isn't.

Jesus, I could swear the "drugs-free japan" is more like "free drugs japan"

>HURR DURR I'M TOO RETARDED TO PLAY EYE
>Telling other people to study
Lmaoing @ ur lyfe I'm working on E.Y.E tier technology IRL and you're telling me to study because you're too fuckshit dumb to understand how you can kill your mentor and not murder him while being both protagonist and antagonist.
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Just a few seconds too late Also I'd argue that sign IS isekai, though it's basically a deconstruction of one before they even got big.

None of the other .hacks qualify though

Dothack isn't isekai. If anything it is an antithesis of isekai. Everyone knows it's an mmo, everyone knows its a program, they actually log out and shit, they treat the whole thing more as an excursion in video games than some alternate world shit.

Isekai is trash unless the unique perspective is critical to tell a story. Looking at you, Overlord.

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You must be really uncultured if you never played a game or watched a movie where the protagonist fight against multiple personality disorder and is simultanealy the antagonist

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Do not spoonfeed the jian

So you really don't know what a protagonist and an antagonist is and just repeat memes. Glad we got that sorted.

You're misunderstanding the meaning of "antagonist" again

youtube.com/watch?v=-_Lpj5DF_TA

In his defense, I get what he's saying. Tyler Durdan wasn't really "himself". They acted like two separate characters. If you don't play the MPD card, you can't exactly have a protagonist and antagonist be the same person at the same time.

>ctrl f Mario
>no results found

They're from Brooklyn.

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>he doesn't know conflict vs self

Literally discussed in literature. That doesn't make it the protagonist being the antagonist. It sees the antagonist being another entity despite being the self due to the agency being different.

i do not know much about Isekai games but i just played a RPG Konosuba game. it was good but short

Super Mario Bros 2

I've found some really good anime/manga/games that are Isekai. I think the main issue is that the genre is so filled with fucking power fantasies that they aren't really grounded in anime. It's like what that anime dude said in how because otaku culture reflects on itself you can't have good characters in anime because they're based on the otaku culture rather than real people.

I think the main theme in a good isekai is the protagonist wants to return home or wants to know what the fuck is going on. All of the good isekai's ive seen had this element.

Naw, you just dont know your fiction
Conflic vs self is centuries old, and stories will keep popping up after you die

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It's isekai because it's about a guy trapped in another world besides his own. The people in SOA know they are in a videogame, but that's still isekai.

Sign is basically a deconstruction of videogame isekai (even ignoring that it came out like literally the same time as the SOA LN), but it's still isekai.

Protagonist
noun
the leading character or one of the major characters in a drama, movie, novel, or other fictional text.
the main figure or one of the most prominent figures in a real situation.

Antagonist
noun
noun: antagonist; plural noun: antagonists
a person who actively opposes or is hostile to someone or something; an adversary.
"he turned to confront his antagonist"
synonyms: adversary, opponent, enemy, foe, nemesis, rival, competitor, contender;

The truth is right in front of you

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Man all these zoomers skipping English huh? Why do people talk like "muh self enemy" is hot new shit when that's literally one of the classic examples of conflict? You know, Man vs Self, Man vs Nature, etc.?

>literally skips the traditional, official term for antagonist

These words do not appear in a vacuum.

Xenoblade Chronicles
Ghost Trick

Your assessment is slightly off
>Nu Mou have the good caster jobs
>Bangaa have decent physical jobs
>Humans have are better at both
>Moogle have the gimmick jobs
>Vierra have all the jobs that shatter the game over their knee like a piece of glass

You dense fuckers, even if user is an unironically retard you know what he is asking for

This OP.

It's a really fucking good VN.

From webster: "one that contends with or opposes another"

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Overlord is trash too though

Fortnite is my favorite isekai

I think that's a relatable motive. Like Marche in OP's picture. Especially understandable if the character is a kid. But that's also really basic as far as motives go. I would hope that the character's motives evolve if it starts out like that.

full dive VR when

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Why are you using that over literary terms?

I think user is saying it's trash. If you want some good Isekai mangas
Check out Jin or Nobunaga no Chef

Alright smartass, define it

FFTactics Advanced 1 & 2
Ar Nosurge
Tlot Philosopher Stone
Brave Story
Rayearth
Muv Luv (I don't think alternate timelines count as isekai, then Chrono Cross would be isekai too)

I believe one of the Dragon Quest Monster spin-offs had kids go to the monster world. I don't remember the exact title.

That user should make his own topic then, shouldn't he.

Which isekai's have that element?

Eh, I guess so. I consider it a isekai because technically Takeru entered into a whole different world he wasn't used to.

That's the problem. Almost all Isekai takes the shitty route and just completely disregards the protagonist came from another world. Even if they do, it's the stupid circlejerking over WOW PROTAG-KUN, YOU'RE SO SMART (actually I just used salt and a secret ricecooker i brought here). Most Isekai's I just think what's the point that he came from our world if he's just going completely assimilate into their world.

Literally just an agent that opposes the protagonist. If the story is about Homer scheming that Marge is against, Marge is the antagonist.

Jin
Nobunaga no Chef
FFTA
Muv Luv
Ni No Kuni 1 (kinda, I still consider it a good isekai because he just wants to find a way to heal his mom.)

I can name more in a sec but that's all I can think about. I know I shilled the fuck outta muv luv this thread but that arc in the VN was fucking beautiful and honestly the best arc in any isekai media.

So E.Y.E is a game where the protagonist is the antagonist according to that definition

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YOU are the person being "transported" and fulfilling your little power fantasy, you mong.

If it's an inner struggle, the antagonist is the "self", but that doesn't mean the protagonist is the antagonist. Some even consider it antagonist-less.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_(narrative)

Unless you mean it's "the same person but from another timeline" or some shit like that, in which case it's still not "protagonist is antagonist" because conflict states them as different people.

Still not seeing Rayearth as isekai.

Damn it, was replying to I'm retarded too.

Just a reminder
Digimon Survive is coming out and it's gonna be the best fucking isekai game this generation.
People are going to rag on its gameplay and graphics but the story is going to be fucking kino. It's going to be one of those hidden gems.

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I never thought of FFTA as Isekai until now but it totally is isn't it.

It's kind of funny considering I usually associate Isekai with "garbage".

Marche is cutehot!

It's hard finding good isekai media because the actual "isekai" tag is all fucking current gay anime shit.

Not exactly "Isekai" but stuff where the protagonist ends up in a unknown place and have to survive
Drifting Classroom
7 Seeds
Suicide Island

I don't know if I'd qualify suicide island as isekai since it's still the real world. If it's Isekai, then like Castaway with Tom Hanks could be considered isekai.

Defend why Rayearth isn't isekai.

That's inner conflict in the protagonist. There is no other person.

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It's really too complex to properly explain here but you can play it through and see that you're literally fighting yourself the entire time
The protagonist is Commander Rimanah and the antagonist is Commander Rimanah They're absolutely not different people

Honestly, I don't think there is really any good anime/manga/game in which the protagonist travels to a fantasy world.

Maybe Re:Zero, I haven't watched it so I can't judge it. All the other isekai's are really fucking dumb though. I'm surprised people think Shield Hero is good lol.

It also feels like the same plot with damn near the same exact setting of a city surrounded by walls. I'm surprised people still like Isekais.

simply plopping someone to another world feels like a shallow definition, otherwise escaflowne is also isekai

again, just explain it for clarity, because if you're fighting yourself internally it's antagonist-less/your inner self, if you're fighting a split personality it's an antagonist of another character

It's a fad. It'll die out in a year or 2

I really hope it will anyway. I hear publishing houses are outright rejecting isekai stories because they just have too many.

A Hat in Time

I have a curse in which almost everything I read gets an anime. The sad thing is that it's only the mangas that are my guilty pleasures and aren't actually "good" are the ones that get well received.

The ones that I do like and think are actually really good get only 1 season and is forgotten or netflix fucking ruins it.

It's not entirely clear or explainable, but the gist is you're both fighting illusions of yourself and real flesh and blood yourself at the same time. The end of the game has you kill yourself in a battle with yourself and end up in the place where you go whenever you die too many times.
You have to play it to get it.

I dont know, I mean I thought generic high school slice of life shows would end since they're nearly identical even when they try and act self aware but yet they still wont die.

Is it like Fight Club or Infamous?

Googling says that you're in some dream/timeline loop and the whole Rihannah thing is more of an other despite being based on you

Why was Marche so full of shit?

It's like both but with a whole lot more

It's more of a curse than a dream
boards.fireden.net/v/thread/471335627 This thread from monday has some plot discussion

That's how genres work. It's not about what they have, it's about what they have in common with other titles.

That's what the "gen" means. Like gender. It's not a personal identity, it's a collective one. If you're human and have a penis, you're put in a category with other humans who also have penises. And we call that category "male".

Kinda like that shooter with the guy in dubai?

because he didnt suffer from any meaningful early childhood dilemma
alternatively maybe he did and he knew deep down that moving forward beyond it was better than wallowing in it
i dont think the game ever mentioned he suffered from an issue that would make him not want to return to the real world so really this is all speculation
he is basically the voice of reason character for the game

He has a family in the real world.
He'll never see his mom ever again or his aunt, maybe some extended family. It is escapism.

t. faggot who never played the game

he actually explores the whole set up and at points agrees with the whole fake world

Yeah I get that, but I feel it's a bit too broad. Like I feel "person appearing into fantasy world" is many enough that it doesn't hit the points isekais tend to have.

Also the fact that I don't want those shows associated with (modern) isekai.

Yeah, ok, so it's not a protagonist that is also an antagonist. It's a protagonist and an antagonist. Thanks for admitting you're wrong.

Why are Isekai's with protagonists who go back to Feudal Japan fucking kino and based?

>Hurr this doesn't count because I define words differently than everybody else
Literal autism

I just want people to learn to say "Games where a protagonist is a villain" rather than "Games where a protagonist is an antagonist". Is that too much to ask?

could work in a fantasy game that lets you craft none medievil weapons like guns from autistic knowledge you had from the real world

not that user (i'm the user talking to you earlier) but I did say narratively speaking that is considered a different entity

>How dare people not use my arbitrary definition of words
Are you a transtesticle of some sort? You sure sound like one.

You mean it doesn't have the "isekai-ness" that you associate with the other titles in the genre. But it's still in the genre. And you're just giving yourself brain damage trying to use a noun as an adjective.

I've seen it happen. Look at the bara community.

no I get that, I suppose you're right

why do isekaishit always have farming trivia

Escaflowne is an isekai though

So are Digimon and 12K
The narrative trope didn't just prop itself up after SAO got popular

Isekai is literally just a power fantasy for people who think that their average mundane existence would translate well into going into a videogame

Actually PLAYING an isekai game is literally just playing a videogame.

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Most japanese writers have a need to flex their knowledge on wikipedia.
No seriously, most of the manga I've seen they'll overexplain something or a basic concept because lmao look how smart I am.

BUTTERFLY EFFECT???????

>author actually writes about something relevant to his audience and national history rather than his half assed interpretation of a dragon quest game he never finished
It's not rocket science

Some people think you can actually "redefine a genre"
Some people think "generic" is a bad thing, because they personal value originality and being different. 'cause everyone loves hipsters, right?

Did someone mention MUV LUV yet?

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That's a mental disorder, not a literary genre.
Not everything is about (you)

tbf they know their audience is literal children and they need to be treated as such.

:3

yes. But is alternate timelines is a gray area.

It's not even just isekai genre. Almost every sci fi manga/anime does this shit. EVERY FUCKING JAPANESE WRITER ALWAYS DOES THIS SHIT AHHHHHHHH.

I've never played it but I'm pretty sure this counts.

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It's less of geeneeric and more broad. But I get the point.

Bioshock Infinite

Technically true yet not in the sense he means I expect

Because the author is probably some Nobunaga's Ambition nerd.

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How is that isekai?

Read what he was responding to user.

Can anyone name any actual good isekai stuff?

.hack

He takes orders from himself, scold himself and gain brouzouf.

...That's not an Isekai...

Fire Emblem Awakening

>Nelo

Her name is supposed to be Nero.

>Isekai is a genre of fantasy anime where a character travels from the world they know to an unfamiliar one.

You're retarded. What the fuck did you think the word meant?

>Else Escaflowne is isekai too.
It is, so's Inyasha and Alice in Wonderland.

It absolutely is. Literally anything where the MC is forced, trapped or travels into an unfamiliar world is Isekai, that's what its about. That's the specific genre, a character goes to a world wholly different from their own.

only sign was isekai. Everything else that came after isn't, since there was nothing directly binding the characters to the game. They could all leave at any time

Drakengard

Nah, forget you man. I see people still making the there/they're mistake. If you don't correct illiterates, they'll only get worse.

anyone know a game that will scratch this itch?
I love the job system and working people up into new positions.

Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward

there are mods for ffta I believe

Probably more so in Japan

>Any new game like OP?
>Have you tried OPs game?

Are you fucking retarded?

you know what mods are right?

>Any new game like OP?
>Have you tried OPs game?
Are you fucking retarded?

I'll take that as a no then.
Mods allow you to alter games to make either small or large changes, sometimes even restructuring a game to be almost completely different.
You should give them a try some time.

You know what a game is?

>Isekai Games aren't as popular as Anime makes them out to be.
I want you to list a single anime where the characters play a game about people going into a game

I'll wait

Reboot

It's OS LEON.
Nelo is a pseudonym(anagram) .

Real name is ウルゥリィヤ, btw. Dunno what's Word of Tsyuchiya on that one.
Uluhlihya, Urhuryhya, ΥΡυΡιΙα...Pick your poison.