Why is it remembered so much more fondly than other 3D JRPGs of the same generation such as Panzer Dragoon Saga or...

Materia is the best mechanic to come out of the entire genre.

replace Mother 3 with FFVI and it's the "American that grew up with an SNES as a kid and doesn't actually care about JRPGs let alone really good ones" starter pack

You're b8ing
Chrono trigger is probably the highest quality gaming experience one can have.

>The soundtrack was shi-
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because it was a better game

I've been playing JRPGs my entire life and I didn't play chrono trigger until 2018 and it blew me away.
>Great cast
>Really great music like incredibly good
>Awesome setting because you get caveman times, generic jrpg, and destroyed future
>Ability to end the game at literally any point you want if you're good enough
>Cool battle system with synergy attacks and whatever that thing is where the attack can hit multiple enemies based on their positions
Genuinely one of the best standalone jrpg experiences

Materia was an undercooked mechanic that needed a few more months work to be really cool. It felt incredibly bare bones and lacking.
I played through the whole game last month so the memory is fresh.

Can't top Chrono Trigger desu

This. I’ve thought for years that it aged badly and was a fluke product of its time but after playing it again recently, it holds up pretty good. Graphics aside of course. I mean compared to FF6 and Chrono Trigger. I still love Chrono Trigger and the pixel art is great but some of it is boring and FF6 is just plain goofier than I ever remembered and the second half is garbage. Speaking of garbage, all of the FF7 spinoffs are fan fiction garbage. But FF7 is still pretty good.

Having said that, I’m not looking forward to the remake. I never liked Midgar and cannot understand why they would choose to make it the basis of an entire full-length game. All other criticisms aside including combat and Tifa’s boobs, the Midgar thing is far worse. An entire fucking game that takes place within the span of FF7’s tutorial, the boring steampunkish depressing giant town you’re stuck in for four hours until you get the world map... as an entire fucking game. Who ever green lit that needs to be gassed

Mainstream exposure and being better.

I'll never understand why people keep fellating the materia system.

I hate the ff7 spin offs
Forgot to mention great artwork and sprites
Frog is one of my favorite party members of all time

It's good sure, but gameplay-wise it's literally just FF with some combo moves and a position-based gimmick that you can't manipulate at all and doesn't make a difference for most encounters.

It has a lot of charm and is still very unique though and it's a classic for that but it's not even close to the genre's best.

it was many people's first. The wool will be pulled over their eyes with the remake

not even the best square RPG that gen. FUCK, not even the best final fantasy, 9 and tactics are better

I really fucking hate motherfags

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Midgar alone is amazing.

>9 and tactics are better
You misspelled X.

Agreed user. I played this for the first time about four years ago and I still think it's one of the best games I've ever played. I have absolutely no criticism for it.

I think X is about the same as 7, but I was refering to games that gen

Materia is great in theory but it's not fleshed out enough in the final game and there isn't enough variety either.

The FFV and X-2 job systems are still the best.

X is shit. XII was better

I finished it recently. Its because its pacing is insanely good and the materia system is actually full of self expression. There's a ton of content, content that has aged poorly surely but the fact that its there is endearing all to hell. Its characters are likeable and iconic and the plot is honestly very self-contained despite the spin-offs.

Its a good game.

XII was unplayable until the 4x speed option in the remaster

What site is this pic from?

FFIX is the slowest and most boring game from the PS1 era and probably of the entire series next to VI. Half of the OST kinda sux too.

It's because of the spinoffs, cloud's persona in kingdom hearts, etc. Edgy teens latch onto that "I'm so misunderstood" attitude that Cloud, for some strange reason, had in every medium after 7's release.
A good chunk of the fanbase ignores the fact that he was a pretty happy guy who said shit like "lets mosey" after he got his bullshit figured out..
I honestly didn't hear ANY hype regarding 7 until after KH1 and Advent Children. Before then it'd be a handful of people saying it was a pretty good game, but never the greatest by any means.
It's basically fake nostalgia from the generation that came after 7's release.

Midgar is awful. Stop trying to shill for the remake.

9 is slow, I'll give you that. But it's the only problem it has that isn't minor, 7 and especially 8 have more issues.

>Half the OST kinda sux too
9's OST is a lot better than 7, Uematsu verified best FF soundtrack

>Counter+Mime
>Counter+Steal
>Added Element + Deathblow
>QUADRA MAGIC + SUMMONS
>Final Attack + Phoenix
>Its undercooked

You know jack shit.

>maybe the better JRPG ever made
imagine being such a pathetic fanboy kek

it wasn't even the best FF game on the ps1

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Because it was heavily advertised. If you were alive back then, you would remember the commercials on TV hyping the hell out of it. Sega didn't advertise PDS, and BOF4 didn't get tv commercials either.

this
FF games especially 7 are overrated by fans but also garners a lot of hate from envious fans of lesser franchises that just aren't as polished and fun to play.
It's a flexible build system with minimal permanent commitments(a feature very appealing to casual players). How is this hard to understand? I find it much more difficult to argue its flaws than recognize its strengths.

I could never get into XII and I don’t remember it ever being liked as much when it came out as it’s been since before and after the remake. X has shit moments but is otherwise great. It’s the last good FF game. And the only good FF game that came after FFVII. VIII was a bad game. IX had its moments but it’s surprising they released it as a mainline FF and not as a lower priced spin-off considering that’s the kind of game it is. It had to have been made by a different dev team.

Because it's the first most people have played and for many probably the only one they've played. It's a good game but it has several flaws. Bad pacing, too easy, boring characters, shitty mini games, and poor translation/dialogue.

peak Uematsu is VII or VIII!
IX has the same problem as VI, half of their soundtracks are really boring and have outright awful melodies at times.
They're also the ones where Uematsu channels his ELP prog-rock influence the hardest, but the cheesy boring ELP and not the good stuff.

FF V best FF game, fite me

>Because you can go play it right now and it still holds up as a fun game
all except for the minigames, some are OK but many of them are just awful

sorry m8, uematsu himself considers 9 the best soundtrack, and he's right. half of 7 sounds like it's phoned in, 9 feels like most of its songs are fully realized

No IX has a great soundtrack.
VI's soundtrack is also great overall except for the main battle theme, which is the worst in the whole series.

I finished FF7 for the first time 2 weeks ago. It's a mid tier FF game at best, 7/10

>It's a flexible build system with minimal permanent commitments(a feature very appealing to casual players).
I mean I guess that's the reason why I dislike it. Makes it feel like the characters aren't unique like they were in past games. Instead you just slap on or swap materia however you like with the only difference between characters being stats and limits.

Best game system FF ever had, yes. Too bad most of the game is forgettable. I remember the final area, Omega being a cunt, and the hidden town. The rest was all a blur. In terms of actual RPG gameplay, it's still #1.

>half of 7 sounds like it's phoned in
that's funny, that's what 9's sounds like to me.
6 and 9 both have a lot of tracks that are really uninspired and go nowhere

>VI's soundtrack is also great overall except for the main battle theme, which is the worst in the whole series.
it has some great tracks but the shit-tier battle theme really sours the whole deal. the main boss theme isn't all that great either.

Because it has better story, graphics, gameplay and features than these games.

But most importantly it's not weeb as fuck.

9 has good music and I like the art style, but the game itself is kind of boring. I never actually finished it because the random encounters at the very end would take 10 minutes and longer to play out.

It’s nice that Square wanted to take the series back to its roots after a couple of big budget mature and successful games, but it would have made more sense as a spin-off rather than a numbered sequel. That heroes of light game did a much better job of taking the series back to its roots. FF9 is a black sheep. Then again, they included MMORPGs as numbered sequels

>Makes it feel like the characters aren't unique like they were in past games. Instead you just slap on or swap materia however you like with the only difference between characters being stats and limits.
In FF3 and 5 you give them whatever job you want. In FF6 you can give every character but Gau and Umaro every spell in the game, many of which are more powerful than most character abilities. FF1 let you pick whatever class you wanted for them at the start. FF2 let you use the growth system to turn any character into anything. FF4 was the first, and FF9 was the second FF game to lock characters to specific roles.

It's better to think of it like a refinement of the FF5 Job system. I like FF5 better personally but don't really have time to get into explaining why. In any case, in FF5 you can't change your characters at all.
FF7 is a bit confusing because it tries to do both, but IMO what would have really improved 7 in this regard would have been to make better equipment distinctions between the characters.

yep the music and translation are the only things I can say with no reservation that I like about FF9.
And I guess the Eidolon cutscenes are cool too. Everything else I have issues with.

>That time Caith Sith fucking betrays me, tells me he kidnaped Aeris' adoptive mother and Marlene, and instead of threatening to stay with the party and keep it hush, he says ignore everything that happened and that he's having fun.
God, Cait Sith was such a weird character.

I prefer Breath of Fire 2

Because it's better than them and still better than most games

It's garbage

There's not a lot of things I would forgive them for cutting in the remake, but that whole character is one of them.

Shut the fuck up dude you're not 8 years old anymore

yeah there's that issue that the main battle theme is one you hear more than almost anything else.

Came to post this.

>makes his "death" seem sentimental with the music in the black materia area when he's a remote controlled robot

I dont think they knew what they were doing with Reeves/caith sith. Then again they didnt seem to know what they were doing with most of FF7's story

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Your taste is awful. Stop shitting up the board and head back to r e d d i t

How long do I gotta wait before I hear Cid say fuck

Midgar was largely handled by the same guy who directed XIII. The fact that you're defending it is embarrassing.

dragon warrior 3 is better than all three of those

That shit always confused me to no end. His death can only be sad if Cait Sith is an autonomous sentient entity, but he's clearly being remote-controlled by Reeve at least sometimes, who also uses him to communicate with the party.
But sometimes it also seems like Cait Sith has his own personality.

He's also in Advent Children and makes wacky jokes and shit, IIRC. So what the fuck? Who or what is Cait Sith?!

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I really hope you realize that what you said is fucking nonsense and can be easily exploited to fit any narrative, right? The quality of one work by a person is not equal to another.

Don't forget that during the raid on Midgar, Reeves is under arrest and somehow Cait Sith can still move.

>When the party goes to City of the Ancients, Cait tells the party he informed Aeris' mom of her death and watched her cry.
I get that it was meant to come off as him being sympathetic but I swear to God, Cait Sith comes off as a fucking sociopath.

like I said square doesn't know what they were doing with FF7's story. A lot of it is dumb shit

there's nothing that indicates this

Forot Aeris' theme. Also around 1:50 on the main theme when the piano starts is when the feels kick in

XII was genuinely a better game than X. It had a better story, a huge epic world-changing clash of powers, you get to explore huge cities, cooler weapons, and a better levelling system. The story was epic on a grand scale unlike anything else and the world was simply huge. Not being as "liked" doesn't mean it wasn't a better game

Fuck off, wall market was pure kino. Some of the best and most memorable sections of the game

>XII was genuinely a better game than X

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It was. Posting shitty pictures anime girls isn't an argument

Based.

Walking into that office and watching your main character turned into a weelchair-bound retard was fairly heavy.

>not as a lower priced spin-off considering that’s the kind of game it is.

Are you retarded? FFIX had all the tropes of classic mainline FF's and was a callback to the series. It feels way more like Final Fantasy than the trash that was X

X is just proto XIII

XII is great but the story isn't its strong suit. There's barely any emotional attachment to anyone or anything that happens in it. Everything is way undercooked. Even if a lot of cool shit happens it just doesn't really mean anything.
Gameplay-wise XII is great too in theory, Gambits are a fantastic idea, but in practise there isn't much strategy involved. Most of the game can easily be beaten with a single Gambit configuration.

If XII had been finished according to Matsuno's vision it could've been one of the greatest RPGs ever made.

Cope. Chrono trigger is the best ever and everyone knows it. Go be gay somewhere else.

I have a theory of why it was/ is so popular

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FFXII wasn't character driven as much as it was world-driven. It's more like LOTR. It's a huge scale War for the future of the world involving emperors and gods, and a small ragtag group of heroes journeying across the world on a mission. The fact that no one character is a centerpiece is an asinine and invalid criticism; FFVI didn't have any "main character" either and it's a callback to the works of Kurosawa where the story is told from the point of view of two lowly tag-alongs observing the feats of great heroes, like farmers, in this case two orphans Vaan and Penelo

Because only nerds played those other games

>cloud's design
>not weeb

bait

>But most importantly it's not weeb as fuck.
Yeah keep telling yourself that.

It's Theme of the Life of the Planet and how it intertwines with its inhabitants and it's powers being an important part of the story and gameplay makes for a pretty interesting RPG.

I get all of that and I like the characters and story for what they are. For what it's worth, Balthier and Ashe have some good meaningful moments dedicated to them, but I think the story overall isn't fleshed out enough. Whether it's supposed to be a world- or character-driven narrative, there's not enough there to make it work.
Unless there's a Star Ocean-esque glossary in the game where you can read the lore of the entire universe and I missed it.

>panzer dragon saga
this shit was on Sega Saturn, which was a disaster of a console, so that's half of your answer

when ff7 launched, it had a huge marketing blitz, it reached a very large audience, and many people who had never played a JRPG dived into it and loved it. so for a lotta people, its got childhood nostalgia mixed in with it being the game that popped their JRPG cherry

i mean, this game had actual TV commercials leading up to its launch. that was pretty fucking rare back then

It's part of a larger world called Ivalice, where other hands such as the FF Tactics series and Vagrant Story take place; however that just makes it more confusing. The game itself gives an adequate amount of info that you need to know in terms of the story that takes place, with pieces and hints of lore such as the Espers, and each one having its back story. It's honestly a huge game, you could spend 150 hours and still not finish in terms of all the hunts and optional stuff like espers

>Having said that, I’m not looking forward to the remake. I never liked Midgar and cannot understand why they would choose to make it the basis of an entire full-length game. All other criticisms aside including combat and Tifa’s boobs, the Midgar thing is far worse. An entire fucking game that takes place within the span of FF7’s tutorial, the boring steampunkish depressing giant town you’re stuck in for four hours until you get the world map... as an entire fucking game. Who ever green lit that needs to be gassed
I am the exact opposite. I always wanted a version of FF7 fully set in Midgar, I never saw why people are so offended by/against it since I absolutely loved Midgar and everything about it

I just got to the casino place and midgar was the dankest part of the game yet by far. I have a really long way to go though I'm guessing.

One thing I like about Midgar was the story-telling, it was a pretty thoroughly solid part of the game

Are you stupid? 9 was the first and final ff game since 6 to have sakaguchi (ff creator) involvement.

because a literal xenogears knockoff is better than 90% of all jrpgs

I know, I have spent about 120 hours doing all hunts actually. Didn't do Omega XII though.
It's a lovely game and probably the best interconnected world experience I've ever had in an RPG. But the story is rushed as hell.

Also, according to Matsuno, Vagrant Story is actually not part of Ivalice.

>He's also in Advent Children and makes wacky jokes and shit, IIRC. So what the fuck? Who or what is Cait Sith?!
A summon stuck inside a machine in order to power it

I'm sorry, are we pretending those are not Nomura designs.

7 is easily the most weeb out of all the classic ff m8

>shit
>shit
>shit
This is contrarian taste

Does the Underwater materia count for the Materia Overlord achievement?

Earthbound is such a mediocre game. Mother 3 is missed potential: the game.

No RPG has better combat than panzer dragoon saga.

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It was the first 3D final fantasy
It was edgy
The marketing was a success
Sephiroth
Soundtrack I guess
The story from what I remember was worth finding out what happens next.

I want it or FUCK Aerith and give her a CETRA CHILD

legend of legaia. you cant even tell me that being a kung fu guy shouting engrish isnt the best combat in a jrpg, especially discovering all of the special moves and capturing summons

they did that as a red herring, to make Aeris death even more surprising

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Kind of random and unrewarding combat system. It's a very mediocre RPG by 5th gen standards, right alongside legend of dragoon.

ok since i'm the only person here who has beaten these 3 games, i'll tell you why: ff7 is a far, far better game than panzer dragoon saga (not even the same genre actually, since PDS has quasi-automatic level up and a finite number of enemies ; in general it's far more linear than a normal JRPG).
FF7 is also far more ambitious and memorable than BoF IV. It has more content, far better music, much more freedom (BoFIV doesn't even have a map), a richer story and better graphics.

>1. mother 3
>2. earthbound

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>not even the best square RPG that gen. FUCK, not even the best final fantasy, 9 and tactics are better

user, you are too retarded to continue existence. The time has come for you to kill yourself.

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yes well done
however!

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>tfw square released more games worth playing on a single system than there are games worth playing in the n64's library

kiseki built up something that surpassed it (though it wouldn't be possible without materia's initial concept). but yeah it is great, very fluid and fun game mechanics-wise.

>cool setting
>memorable characters

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please respond i've half a mind to get a save editor and i want to get the cheevo legit

Welp, can't reverse this, what's the source?

Are you joking right now? Everybody knows the characters in FF7. Tifa is up there with Peach in terms of recognition.

Nobuo Uematsu.

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>>cool setting
>he wanted another gay-ass steampunk FF
it's one of the most original RPG settings of all-time

it gets pretty introspective with cloud as a character, and also sephiroth is just a creepy ass motherfucker every time he's on screen

It's literally baby's first JRPG. That's it.

no that's xbc2.

BoF IV is a nice game but the pacing is glacial and there is little payoff from one section to the next. A lot of the bosses kinda suck and the game is pretty easy in general. (until the final boss which took me an hour cause all my dragons were fucking ded)
The story suddenly rushes towards the conclusion and it's all just kind of half-baked. The message still comes through I think but the game really turned into a slog after a while.

I love DQ and think it's better than IV overall, but even that has problems with its half-baked story and lore. There's so much potential in it but not enough to go on even with the additional scenes.

It was a million times more popular.

Glitchwave

i always thought she looked like a smelly skank

There are some other great settings coming up but imo none of them top Midgar.

the late game of any final fantasy outside of the MMOs is the equivalent of the early game of any xenoblade title

What does her feet smell like Yea Forums? PSSST! Does anyone have the new Tifa animation by necdaz?

It's because it was even played by people who don't usually play other JRPGs. So they remember playing this but of course not those.

There's about a hundred moments in ff7 that top any moment in other games.
So it's not surprising it's this beloved.

lolno
it's a real slog totally devoid of any difficulty that isn't based on grind

marketing, peoples first jrpg, first time people had a character die like that, babbys first waifu tifa, niggas with big swords

Top 3.
Breath of fire 3
Wild Arms 3
Final Fantasy 9

because it not only had a larger fanbase going in the game itself is just more memorable than other JRPGs of the time.

>471526194
This is all you get, insect. Not even a (You).

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The minigames are the best minigames ever made and the best minigames it is possible to make.

>people hate Junction
>people love Materia
I don't get it.

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based

Its almost like it was released on one of the biggest selling consoles at the time with a huge playerbase who wanted good games...

Junction is significantly worse than Materia. Materia are a percentile modification to stats, based upon materia type. Junctions are an additive modification to stats, based upon magic type and quantity. Thus, Junctions want you to numbingly grind out 100 spells of the right category for every stat for every character and distribute your GFs so you optimially pump everyone into invincible god territory which is boring.

they're both shit, in different ways. Materia was a huge amount of wasted potential, the pairing system was heavily underused and only limited to 2 materia. I could think of many different 3-4 pairings the game could have had

I don't remember worrying about grinding for junctions half as much as I did for materia.

>Junctions want you to numbingly grind out 100 spells of the right category for every stat for every character and distribute your GFs so you optimially pump everyone into invincible god territory which is boring.
Yeah but who does this? And who the fuck does it in 1999 with no guide? Most people don't dislike Junction because it's broken (most FF systems are) but because they didn't get it.

>471526921
Fuck (You), jew.

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Oh yeah, also level scaling.
What's up with that?

And Tifa's Theme, Interrupted by Fireworks, Birth of a God, all Jenova themes, Anxious Heart, On That Day Five Years Ago, Under the Rotten Pizza, etc.

FF7 had a great soundtrack.

Not inherently a bad thing. It just sux when you're level 100 and go up against bosses with suboptimal junctions. Makes the game kind of difficult.

>if you aren't a caster materia make you significantly weaker
>need to keep them equipped to level them up
>the alternative is to wait till the game is almost over to level them up quickly and get to use them for 5 mins
Junction was a lot better since you didn't have to go out of your way for it like Materia and could actually get to do cool combos before the game was already over.

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Don't mind me just posting the best ff7 track.
youtu.be/0dnl6NoEVdo

Nostalgia and rose tinted goggles. FF7 is one of the most offensively bad FF games there is but no-one will ever admit it. For one thing the characters are all generic as fuck, Barret is some kind of shameless blaxploitation parody, the only characterization the girls have is they want to fuck Cloud, except for Yuffie who only talks about getting rare materia, the cat faggots barely exists, and Cid just shouts in boomer the whole time. Cloud himself is a blank self insert type. And the actual gameplay? There's almost zero exploration until you leave Midgar and even then it's incredibly limited until you get the Highwind at which point the game is half over, it's super linear for a JRPG and feels like a chore most of the time if you're any smart than a 10 year old. I could go on. My most memorable thing about FF7 is flipping out when you get the encounter reduction ability because you wanted it 2 discs ago, the games logic sucks and people only like it because it panders hard to the player while being their first JRPG.

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I did since it's clearly what the game wanted from me by making literally every enemy a fountain to pull magic from.

not a big fan of 7 but
>Cloud himself is a blank self insert type
blatantly false

2/10 bait

On That Day Five Years Ago is really forgettable though. When I went through the OST one day and picked this track, I couldn’t recall at what moment it played in the game.

Which fanbase is most up its ass? Mother series, Dark Souls 2 or Soul Calibur 2?

mother, it isn't even close.

FFVII is as popular as it is because, while still being undeniably fantastical, its setting is by far the most relatable in the entirety of the franchise.

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It's the sad memories of Midgar and it plays a lot.

In 2 days Tifa will be announce as dlc for Tekken

>Breath of Fire IV
>3D
fixed perspective isometric games with 2D sprites are not 3D games.

*blocks your path*

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I'll tell you why.
It's because at the time, nintendo was the uncontested, supreme, Top Dog of the video game industry, you wanted to have a game going? You had to go through them, at that time, nintendo was being very, conservative about gaming as a whole, they genuinely thought that their vision was videogame gospel, the industry crash had left them in a good position to scoop up the entire market, so they felt like they had singlehandedly saved gaming, it got into their heads making them become really bigheaded, japs are very vulnerable to ego related states of mind. With that said, square wanted to make "The epic story rpg with movie-like cutscenes and high sound quality" they wanted to produce something groundbreaking (for that time) and cartridges just wouldn't cut it, so they began suggesting the idea of having the -what would be- N64 use disks for more data. nintendo, of course, was having none of that, didn't help that the yakuza mafia president they had at helm absolutely despised turn based rpg games, thought it was for faggot losers. Enter sony, who was at the time, looking into getting in the videogame industry, noticing how many third party developing companies where being treated like shit by nintendo's monopoly-tic dick, they decide to make a move (the playstation) and pull the rug under nintendo's bloated ego. You know the rest.
FFVII is, in many ways, a huge fuck you to nintendo and it was also marketed more in the west then many turn based games would normally be (videogames industry thought at the time that the west generally didn't care for rpgs), this due to the graphics(videogames industry thought at the time the west was all about "dem graphicz!")

>Panzer Dragoon Saga or Breath of Fire IV
Because square, you underestimate how effective company branding was at the times, in the west, those two were considered to be made by "no-names" while square had already been around the block since the NES.

/thread

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breath of fire was trash series
with not a single good title
just because you played as kid doesn't mean it was good it was always bottom tier of jrpgs

dissidia nt was a mistake

Because of Sony marketting fooling normies

9's soundtrack is boring. It has some memorable soundtracks but essentially it's just some orchestra shit.

It had a very memorable cast

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I want to see them....

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You mean in the remake? Try 10 years from now.

cringe

>it's just some orchestra shit.
bleeding low iq post. imagine actually typing, saying, or thinking this.

Try cringing at Nomura, it wasn't my decision to make this shit episodic.

tfw Cid won't smoke in the remake