DMC thread

In baijiru's game

Would they pull a Golden Frieza on him?
Because Mundus should be child's play to the combined might of the twins.
They are both at least at Sparda Tier if not much higher.

In the epilogue DLC, gonna set up the ground for DMC6.

Either make Mundus stronger or Mundus comes up with a secret weapon of his own.

>dlc sets up mundus
stop making me want this

When he finishes perfecting his army of Angelos
>mfw more than one Angelo boss fight, with a Staff, Sword, Axe and Hammer

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he captures nero and makes him a negro angelo

I wouldn't mind a total DMC2 remake that keeps newer characterization. Especially since they finally made a game that takes place after it.

But at the same time, I think I'd prefer Dragon's Dogma 2, so maybe after that.

Well he's gotten a lot more combat data of Dante and Vergil now so maybe his Angelos will be more refined.

I'm half expecting them to stuff Dante into an Angelo and have Nero and Vergil save him in a future installment.

>DLC is a epilogue in hell with Dante
>They split up and decides to meet up in a certain place
>During the mean time Vergil remember his battle against Mundus, his becoming into NA and his life in hell after DMC1
>During the chapters Vergil meets up with some bosses that remembers how weak Vergil was and makes fun of him
>Vergil punishes these demons by turning them into Devil Arms
>At each boss and chapter more is revealed about Sparda
>Final chapter Vergil turns Yamato into DSV and he meets with Dante
>Ending implies that they want to seal the underworld like Sparda once did
>Mundus shows up
>DLC ends

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Cont.

DMC6
>Mundus shows up
>DMC6
>Dante and Vergil fighting against Mundus
>Vergil says that the portal will not stay open for long and thatDante should go
>Vergil says he will settle things against Mundus once and for all
>As he walks toward Mundus, Dante impales him and throws him through the portal
>Dante says "lets rock" and runs toward Mundus
>Vergil falls back on the human realm
>Meanwhile Nero and Nico are going back home after a mission
>Nico then says Lady called her and that they should go to Devil May Cry to meet with her and Trish
>They meet Vergil and he says what happened, and says how to save Dante
>Nero and Vergil goes to a mission on the remains of Mallet island to open the portal to Mundus kingdome
>They get into hell and both split up
>They fought against some demons and meet Mundus, Mundus then reveals his most powerful Angelo
>Vergil then says that he is confident in his son's power to take on Mundus and that Nero is powerful like a descendent of Sparda
>We play as Vergil against Nelo Angelo Sin Devil Trigger Dante
>Nero takes on Mundus but he is clearly underpower
>After being almost defeated, Vergil and Dante shows up to help Nero
>During the battle demons shows up to help Mundus, but Trish, Lady and Lucia shows up with a bunch of Devil Arms to fight these demons, along side some demons that wants a descendent of Sparda as king
>During the battle Nero gets DSD and DSV to fight against Mundus
>For a brief moment Mundus sees Sparda on Nero as Nero says he wants to protect those who he loves
>Battle ends with Mundus defeat
>Then the demons demands that one of the three descendents of Sparda to stay on hell
>Dante accept it and says Vergil should go to enjoy life with his family
>Nero, Vergil and crew are sent to Earth, with Lucia being the only one that stays with Dante
>Now Devil May Cry is run by Nero and Vergil, and the ladies are their helping hand
>Final scene is Nero and Vergil fighting demons

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Just leave Matt to do it, could be a good way to Itsuno to pass the series to someone that loves the series as much as him and to see if Matt is ready to direct the sequels.
They could implement SDT to take place of MDT mechanic and change the plot with Arious being the second villian as Argosax is the true villian using Arious to get out off hell. Also flash out the rivality between that knight and Sparda, he was supposed to have a history woth Sparda and be as powerful as him.

Ninja Gaiden 3 Razor's Edge
Character is Kasumi from DoA
Boss is a rehash of Zedonius from NG2

NG3RE is a kind of bad game with a lot of content and extra characters, NG2 is a god game. Play NG Black and NG2, play the Sigma games if you want to replay NG1 and 2 in slightly remixed form, and only touch NG3 and/or Yaiba if you want to experience NG's versions of DMC2 and DmC

>I'm half expecting them to stuff Dante into an Angelo and have Nero and Vergil save him in a future installment.
>They could have done this shit in 5 with Nero Angelo or Majin Dante+Vergil helping them.
5's story was so uncreative and dull I still can't get over it

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Well if we're posting friggen fanfiction might as well throw mine into the ring.

>There are still Shards of Rebellion left in the remains of the tree (We only saw Dante absorb the hilt)
>These shards bond to an Angelo, and create an incomplete devil sword
>The Devil Sword gets stronger by slaying and absorbing Angelo demons. When all the remaining Angelo demons are slain it will truly be complete.
The Devil Sword could go to Vergil or Nero I don't really care.

>Just leave Matt to do it
He's a producer, I don't think it's a good idea to just throw whoever as a director just because he loves the series

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>Anyone but Dante and vergil fighting and defeating Mundus
No fuck you. stop trying to get Nero to finish off Mundus

>There are still Shards of Rebellion left in the remains of the tree
funny how I thought of something similar, though I didn't know where to go with it really

Give it to Vergil, he could use it to create his DSV with it.

But it makes sense, listen
>Vergil is tired to fight against Mundus
>Dante is corrupted
>Nero, Vergil's son, will avenge his father for the torment he has been through,
>Nero is the reason why Vergil wanted power, but Vergil sees he doesn't have to, because Nero already is strong to protect himself
>Nero is Sparda 2.0 For wanting to protect Kyrie and his family
>A nod to Dante's "Give regards to my son" instead that is Vergil's

Nothing to lose, DMC2 can't get any worse, right?

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>throwing Dante into Hell again but now with Lucia
>even though he has the amulet's gem on DSD, which served as a key to the demon/human world, we have to still pretend he can get stuck in Hell
>demons protesting
>Trying to replace Dante with Nero even though Nero already has a mobile DMC for himself

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Its not like we will get another DMC. Didn't 5 sell poorly?

>>throwing Dante into Hell again but now with Lucia
Yeah, she was meant to be a body guard and she loves Dante, she could have this job as a symbolic one since Dante already is quite powerful.
>>even though he has the amulet's gem on DSD, which served as a key to the demon/human world, we have to still pretend he can get stuck in Hell
He is not stuck in hell, he decides to stay in hell. Another reason why he stays in hell, he is the guardianof the portal between the demon world and human world.
>>demons protesting
Some demons took V's side and some respected Sparda and Dante, is not too dar fetched to imagine some wants someone as strong as Dante as their King.
>>Trying to replace Dante with Nero even though Nero already has a mobile DMC for himself
This where the series is going, they will do it somehow.

No. Nero has nothing to do with Mundus and Vergil's power autism. They need to avenge their mother and what Vergil went through, fuck you for taking that away from them.

you're wrong
pcgamesn.com/devil-may-cry-5/sales
>now Capcom has told investors these numbers are “successfully reinvigorating” the DMC brand.

Lucia didn't even do anything in the novel and Dante doesn't care about her enough to go out of his way to visit her.

user, what better way to end the Spardas brothers saga then ending with a full cicle?
>Vergil defeats Nelo Angelo Dante
>Nero uses DSD and DSV to defeat Mundus, like Dante once did with DSS
>Nero is more similar to Sparda then Dante and Vergil
>Nero becomes the protagonist
Besides, Nero doesn't have to kill Mundus only beat him, Vergil and Dante can kill him off with a "Jackpot" shot to parallel 3 and 1.

She couldn't do since she was below Balrog and Dante. But like I said, it could be just a symbolic position.

>Nero becomes the protagonist
5 did that already

>Yeah, she was meant to be a body guard and she loves Dante, she could have this job as a symbolic one since Dante already is quite powerful.
Doesn't sound good, why can't Trish tag along? seems off putting for DMC too
>He is not stuck in hell, he decides to stay in hell. Another reason why he stays in hell, he is the guardian of the portal between the demon world and human world.
than that would mean there'll be a finite number of demons that can come to the human world till DMC is put out of business
>Some demons took V's side and some respected Sparda and Dante, is not too dar fetched to imagine some wants someone as strong as Dante as their King.
most demons are animistic and without a heart, it'll take a demon that doesn't enjoy fighting and is a hippie to want to side with the guy who likes to protect demon food
>This where the series is going, they will do it somehow.
doesn't mean is a good idea, Nero can never take the spotlight from Dante, and if they ever decide to make a game without Dante it just won't be DMC anymore

>She couldn't do since she was below Balrog and Dante. But like I said, it could be just a symbolic position.
so whats the point of her being there? she'll just be in dante's way
Remember Itsuno doesn't even want to pair lady up to respect the bald one

Well I'm happy to hear that as I'd like the series to continue.

>Nero is more similar to Sparda then Dante and Vergil
wow, I didn't know that Nero turned into Sparda like Dante did
youtube.com/watch?v=EcPs5DYwW8I

Nero doesn't have any attachment to Mundus you retarded motherfucker, it won't be as emotional. We need to see Dante and Vergil working together to defeat Mundus because this is what caused them to become separated from each other. They need to go through the motions of the fight.

Wonder whether Nelo Angelo's sword still exists.

Kind of, 5 was still playing safe with it by putting Dante on it to even things out. Nero needs a game that turns him into the new face of the series, with him carrying the series for now on, with little to no Dante in the game.

>Doesn't sound good, why can't Trish tag along? seems off putting for DMC too
I imagine she could go too, but it seems better fitting for the character created to be a body guard to be Dante's side kick in hell. And Trish should stay to administrate DMC with Vergil and give him more PTSD.
>than that would mean there'll be a finite number of demons that can come to the human world till DMC is put out of business
Mundus side was gonna be under Dante's control while the other side finds a new king. This could also lead to a civil war in hell where demons leak to human world to start Chaos again after something that could be the plot of the sequels.
>most demons are animistic and without a heart, it'll take a demon that doesn't enjoy fighting and is a hippie to want to side with the guy who likes to protect demon food
This could be better flashed out with Dante and Vergil in hell, explain a little bit how things work and how different can demons be. Maybe Sparda wasn't the only one, but just the strongest one to rebel against Mundus.
>doesn't mean is a good idea, Nero can never take the spotlight from Dante, and if they ever decide to make a game without Dante it just won't be DMC anymore
This a big gambling they have to make. Solution could just be making a spin off to Dante.

Symbolic since Lucia loves Dante and thinks this is the least she could do. Also, it would be like those powerful bosses that doesn't need body guards but still has.

Kamiya you madlad.

>Some demons took V's side
that was vergil's nightmare manifestations though.

Not physicaly, Sparda stood up to humanity for justice, Nero stands up for love(and also justice).
But who knows, maybe Nero could get a DT that is a mix between Sparda's, Dante's and Vergil's, this always happens in DMC.

So is there a way to remove moves once you've bought them in 5? Like with Cheat Engine or something?

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Lucia is never going to be as important as you think she'll be. She just exists in the book deal with it fag.

>Nero doesn't have any attachment to Mundus
Mundus captured Dante and tortured his father, work on top of that.
>We need to see Dante and Vergil working together to defeat Mundus because this is what caused them to become separated from each other. They need to go through the motions of the fight.
They already bounded in 5, could bound post Nelo Angelo Dante battle. Nero has to fight against Mundus at some moment, and the better moment is at his strongest, to show that Nero isn't a "second fiddle" but a character capable of holding his own.
Having Dante and Vergil killing a weaker Mundus when themselfs are weaker too is enough for them to fufill their reside for revenge.

>I imagine she could go too, but it seems better fitting for the character created to be a body guard to be Dante's side kick in hell. And Trish should stay to administrate DMC with Vergil and give him more PTSD.
still it would be best if Dante isn't thrown out of the story, plus Capcom wouldn't allow it
>Mundus side was gonna be under Dante's control while the other side finds a new king. This could also lead to a civil war in hell where demons leak to human world to start Chaos again after something that could be the plot of the sequels.
this civil war stuff doesn't fit with how DMC handles it's story, it always was a hero fighting a villain, no wars, no complication over political shit, just a simple hero vs villain story
>This a big gambling they have to make. Solution could just be making a spin off to Dante.
or here's a better one, stop shoving Nero down everyone's throat, he should be A protagonist not THE protagonist

>Using the word "never" in DMC thread
80% of chance that she will show up in the animation.

>Not physicaly, Sparda stood up to humanity for justice, Nero stands up for love(and also justice).
and do you think Dante didn't do the same? Nero isn't more like Sparda than Dante or Vergil, because Sparda isn't human at all which sets him as completely different than all of them
>maybe Nero could get a DT that is a mix between Sparda's, Dante's and Vergil's, this always happens in DMC.
won't happen Nero's colors aren't like Sparda, nor is his spectral angelic theme, Saprda is full on demon, Nero isn't

>Mundus captured Dante and tortured his father, work on top of that
The only reason Vergil got captured was because he was tired from his fight with Dante and that was 20 years ago. Use what is already established instead of your head canon.

>They already bounded in 5, could bound post Nelo Angelo Dante battle. Nero has to fight against Mundus at some moment, and the better moment is at his strongest, to show that Nero isn't a "second fiddle" but a character capable of holding his own. Having Dante and Vergil killing a weaker Mundus when themselfs are weaker too is enough for them to fufill their reside for revenge.
who cares if they already bonded, its supposed to be symbolic. why does nero need to fight mundus exactly?
>Im talking to a biased nerofag

You can just uncheck it. Every move you buy has a checkbox and each move can be manually disabled.

talking about the game bud. who cares if she shows up in the adaptation of the novel lol

>still it would be best if Dante isn't thrown out of the story, plus Capcom wouldn't allow it
I think he could still have a important role if he was the demon king, but I don't know it could fit in a game with out rushed out, maybe adding him as a DLC content or a spin off.
>this civil war stuff doesn't fit with how DMC handles it's story, it always was a hero fighting a villain, no wars, no complication over political shit, just a simple hero vs villain story
It doesn't need to be overly worked on, it could be only implied as a reason why things are happening and then continue with the main plot. We know demons has different kingdomes and they are often the position of "king" this could be worked on.
>or here's a better one, stop shoving Nero down everyone's throat, he should be A protagonist not THE protagonist
Vergil and Nero would be the main characters while Dante having less attention, that could be a way to solve it, but with Nero being the main focuse. I don't know how they will handle it.

>watching a speedrun of White Day on Youtube
>See a DMC1 review with about 600 views, decide to watch it
>First second i can already tell enough by the voice
What the fuck is this? Why does the series attract so many trannies?

>and do you think Dante didn't do the same? Nero isn't more like Sparda than Dante or Vergil, because Sparda isn't human at all which sets him as completely different than all of them
His emotions user, not his physical, Nero is more of a emotionfag than Dante.

>won't happen Nero's colors aren't like Sparda, nor is his spectral angelic theme, Saprda is full on demon, Nero isn't
What?
But ok, Nero has blue and red which combined are purple;
His DT still evolving but who knows, maybe he could absorve some power like Dante did;
Doesn't matter if he is 1/3 devil, he is still powerful duo to his human side, that's what makes Sparda's lineage stronger.

>The only reason Vergil got captured was because he was tired from his fight with Dante and that was 20 years ago.
Still enough to give Nero a reason to hate Mundus, even more if Vergil and Nero bound.

>who cares if they already bonded, its supposed to be symbolic.
"Who cares" oh boy.
>why does nero need to fight mundus exactly?
Like you said, "symbolic".
>>Im talking to a biased nerofag
Vergilfag.

Enough to get attention, that's all that is needed.

>I think he could still have a important role if he was the demon king
Dante isn't the type to be a king at all, he never cared about ruling anything nor does he want to, Vergil would be a better king
>but I don't know it could fit in a game with out rushed out, maybe adding him as a DLC content or a spin off.
No I don't want the main face of the franchise to be DLC, and why not give Nero the spin-off treatment instead
>It doesn't need to be overly worked on, it could be only implied as a reason why things are happening and then continue with the main plot. We know demons has different kingdomes and they are often the position of "king" this could be worked on.
or better yet they don't need to work on it, all they have to is make Dante and Vergil's adventure in Hell, and get them both out of there in the end
>Vergil and Nero would be the main characters while Dante having less attention, that could be a way to solve it, but with Nero being the main focuse. I don't know how they will handle it.
>Nero needs to be the main character
why do you insist on shoving him as the main focus? his character is generic, there's no reason for him to be the main protagonist

>His emotions user, not his physical, Nero is more of a emotionfag than Dante.
Sparda won'r seethe for a month like a baby because he was called a mean word, Nero is more like Vergil with the power autism, Sparda won't talk about power as if it's the most important thing to portect those he loves, he'll be more like Dante thinking of it as useless shit
>What?
>But ok, Nero has blue and red which combined are purple;
Sparda's DT form doesn't have any purple, his clothes are purple though, and Vergil radiates purple aura
>His DT still evolving but who knows, maybe he could absorve some power like Dante did
he already did that threw out DMC4 he can do it more, but the result would look different for sure
>Doesn't matter if he is 1/3 devil, he is still powerful duo to his human side, that's what makes Sparda's lineage stronger.
No, the reason they're stronger is because they have a heart, they're demonic power just gave them physical strength, but the one with a bigger heart will always win, them being half human doesn't mean they have a heart

>Dante isn't the type to be a king at all, he never cared about ruling anything nor does he want to, Vergil would be a better king
It would be a more logical choice, but Dante would also not want his brother to stay in hell any longer and stay away from his family.
Dante staying in hell isn't for ruling, but a "sacrifice" in the name of a greater good, he does it to protect the human world.
>No I don't want the main face of the franchise to be DLC, and why not give Nero the spin-off treatment instead
The point for the final three points is, is noticeble that either Itsuno or Capcom want Nero to be the leading character, I'm not "pushing" him but trying to find the best way they could go with their plan. Dante and Vergil staying in hell while Nero is on the human world is convinient, and anything can go from there.

Not enough to get into the game. She doesn't have anything that the other playable characters don't have.

>Still enough to give Nero a reason to hate Mundus, even more if Vergil and Nero bound.
Not enough of a good reason to have him fight Mundus. Mundus is the one who made Vergil and dante's life a living hell. Nero has nothing to go on to fight Mundus except your made up story. Yes Dante and Vergil can both get over their trauma by defeating Mundus together.

>Vergilfag.
hard to believe

Nero is fundamentally boring. I don't mind him, but I can't imagine wanting him over Dante. Then again, I also don't think Mundus is really worth revisiting. I don't know where the series should go going forward, story-wise.

>It would be a more logical choice, but Dante would also not want his brother to stay in hell any longer and stay away from his family.
>Dante staying in hell isn't for ruling, but a "sacrifice" in the name of a greater good, he does it to protect the human world.
there doesn't need to be a sacrifice if the story you thought of isn't so shit, there can bea better alternative
>The point for the final three points is, is noticeble that either Itsuno or Capcom want Nero to be the leading character, I'm not "pushing" him but trying to find the best way they could go with their plan. Dante and Vergil staying in hell while Nero is on the human world is convinient, and anything can go from there.
Bingo and Itsuno have an attachment with Nero because he's their OC, Capcom doesn't care about that and they kept on telling them that Dante always needs to be playable, and your way is bad because the whole idea is bad, Nero should never try and take spotlight for his own, the solution should always be equal spotlight to all playable characters, that way everyone's satisfied

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>Sparda won'r seethe for a month like a baby because he was called a mean word, Nero is more like Vergil with the power autism, Sparda won't talk about power as if it's the most important thing to portect those he loves, he'll be more like Dante thinking of it as useless shit
Well, this one we can go further since we don't know enough about Sparda, but Nero isn't like Vergil caring about power, he naturally gains more and acts like Dante with it, except Nero accepts it to defend those who he cares about. Sparda had too much power but used it to protect humanity.
>Sparda's DT form doesn't have any purple, his clothes are purple though, and Vergil radiates purple aura
So we are talking about cloth colors or DT colors? If later, then is highly impossible to someone have a DT similar to Sparda's, only some traits, one which Nero posses that is his horns. But we need to wait to see how his DT will mature, he probably gonna have more angelic traits tho.

>No, the reason they're stronger is because they have a heart, they're demonic power just gave them physical strength, but the one with a bigger heart will always win, them being half human doesn't mean they have a heart
Yeah user, like I said "love", the thing that makes humans different from demons, and what makes Sparda's linear strong.

>Not enough of a good reason to have him fight Mundus. Mundus is the one who made Vergil and dante's life a living hell. Nero has nothing to go on to fight Mundus except your made up story. Yes Dante and Vergil can both get over their trauma by defeating Mundus together.
I not saying Vergil and Dante won't going to fight Mundus, I saying Nero would take on Mundus in his strongest while Dante and Vergil are too weak after Vergil fighting Nelo Angelo Dante. Dante and Vergil would fight Mundus after Nero proving his capability to stand on his own as a character.

>hard to believe
Up to you.

>I don't know where the series should go going forward, story-wise.
ditch Nero and focus on Dante and Vergil and why are they stuck in hell, maybe something deep in the roots has gained power that surpassed all other living creature, maybe Dante found a kid demon with a heart and wants to help gt him out of hell, there's many things they could do

>there doesn't need to be a sacrifice if the story you thought of isn't so shit, there can bea better alternative
Do it then, your turn.

>Bingo and Itsuno have an attachment with Nero because he's their OC, Capcom doesn't care about that and they kept on telling them that Dante always needs to be playable, and your way is bad because the whole idea is bad, Nero should never try and take spotlight for his own, the solution should always be equal spotlight to all playable characters, that way everyone's satisfied
This isn't true, Trish and Lady doesn't have the same attention.

What if 6 was released as a pair of full games, similar to DMC2's two discs? Dante Side and Nero Side. Use the same engine and sharing as many assets as possible between them.

Nero Side is of course focused on Nero in the human world with occasional jumps to the demon world for big moments. Could be more investigation/puzzle focused like DMC1, because demonic operations outside of hell are less overt. Combat is still largely the same as now.

Conversely Dante Side is primarily set in hell with Dante and Vergil wrecking the place. Much more combat-focused and could delve deeper into Vergil's character and the lore and cosmology of the setting.

Owning both or buying cheaper unlock DLC for your preferred Side lets you play as any character in either Side after completing each campaign once.

>Dante and Vergil would fight Mundus after Nero proving his capability to stand on his own as a character.
Why does Nero need to fight Mundus to do that? He already did that in this game and Dante even told him so.

>Well, this one we can go further since we don't know enough about Sparda, but Nero isn't like Vergil caring about power, he naturally gains more and acts like Dante with it, except Nero accepts it to defend those who he cares about. Sparda had too much power but used it to protect humanity.
than you shouldn't talk about his personality as if it's like Nero, if we really don't know anything about it
>So we are talking about cloth colors or DT colors? If later, then is highly impossible to someone have a DT similar to Sparda's, only some traits, one which Nero posses that is his horns. But we need to wait to see how his DT will mature, he probably gonna have more angelic traits tho.
you're the one that brought up the purple talk and so I explained that Sparda's color isn't much purple as some would think, and Dante turned into Sparda we already went through this, and Nero's horns would grow to become like his hoodie rather than anything like Sparda
>Yeah user, like I said "love", the thing that makes humans different from demons, and what makes Sparda's linear strong.
it has been made clear that human can not have a "heart" with the examples of Arkham and the order, and demons could have a "heart" with the examples of Trish and Sparda

>This isn't true, Trish and Lady doesn't have the same attention.
Because you're an idiot who didn't read up on what they themselves said
Trish isn't Bingo or Itsuno's creation they probably just put her in their game because they respect Kamiya is all, and Lady's story is done, Itsuno and Bingo themselves have said that their favourite character was Nero, and before that it was Vergil
>your turn
Fine
>each character will have a campaign of his own
>Dante and Vergil go and see how deep the roots are
>they split
>some mysterious figure holding shards of the rebellion use it on Vergil to take away his DT
>Dante found some kid going around hell and decided to protect him from his abusive father
>game goes back and forth with them trying to find a way out
>end the end each gets he wants and gets out with a reveal that Mundus is coming back
>Nero's campaign is about how he is trying to open a portal to hell to find a cure for the sick Kyrie
Game ends with him opening the portal and helping the brothers out and cutting Kyrie
Done

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>dante
>losing to mundus
look at this dude

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I find it odd a Nerofan is asking for him to stop being seen as second fiddle by having him come in second in beating Mundus. It'd cement his place as just the walking echo.

Nero is like Raiden in MG. In MGS2 they separate you from Snake but you still feel the world gravitates around him and you're playing someone pulled by that, MGS4 abandons all pretense and Raiden is just tagging along Snake's group because he's otherwise aimless.
Now look what happens come MGRR, there's little to no mention of Snake depending on your codec engagement. MGS4 and 2 stuff is in the mix but it's mostly global or Raiden centric stuff. You spend the game not imitating Snake in stealth, for better or worse, or philosophy, for worse or better, but simply learning how Raiden uninhibited by AI or Snake oversight operates and thinks. A lot of people felt it was too radical a departure from the Raiden they'd come to know from before, but the fact remains by the end of MGRR you're so thoroughly presented Raiden's own sphere of things you recognize him midway as the protagonist first and notSnake almost never.

Nero spends DMC4 revolving Dante because he's ordered or necessity, but in DMC5 he's tagging along Dante's group. Granted, losing his arm makes it personal but he's still just dragged by the net of the Sparda twins with little agency.

The similarity and solution here is obvious, that one user is right, Nero needs a spin off game like MGRR to establish him as its solo protag proper, instead of notDante in Dante's games.

It wouldn't even be that hard, like Raiden Nero has a background you can use as the fork in the road. Have Nero investigate a splinter, copy or identical cult to the Order of the Sword. Already it's something Dante in 4 was shown to reluctant to do, and likely still is. Have him come across familiar events he can now respond differently to with new wisdom, perspective and power. Show who Nero is by himself, not next to Dante.

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>tfw they never added co-op bloody palace after all
Me and my friend would probably still be playing it today if they did that.

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Is anyone else having trouble running 5 now when you weren't near launch? My temps and stuff seem fine and other games aren't doing this, but loading screens take forever and the music keeps cutting out for a second or two while playing.

>ditch Nero
That's never going to happen.

>it has been made clear that human can not have a "heart" with the examples of Arkham and the order
They're more of an example what happens when humans discard their "hearts", not humanity as a whole.

>The similarity and solution here is obvious, that one user is right, Nero needs a spin off game like MGRR to establish him as its solo protag proper, instead of notDante in Dante's games.
I don't think DMC needs two concurrent series, though. A Nero spin-off is still ultimately just DMC. You could alternate the focus from game to game but Nero doesn't really justify a spin-off.

Neither did Raiden, but MGR used Raiden's cyborg abilities as justification for a spin-off with radically different game design. A Nero spin-off wouldn't really work that way. I think it would've been a cool idea for a PSP interquel or something, but we're long past that era. For better or worse I think the DMC4/DMC5 model of keeping focus on multiple characters is what the series is fated to stay as. People want Dante, and Itsuno will never give up Nero (and Nero has a sizeable fanbase besides). They weren't even willing to let Vergil stay dead.

Mundus should have been the one directing Malphas. He wanted her to help Urizen get enough power to defeat Dante so Mundus can come back.

>I don't think DMC needs two concurrent series, though.
I recall Itsuno saying he has no qualms continuing DmC, but it's possible that was him just being nice. If not it'd be better if Nero games occupied that impulse for a number of reasons.

>A Nero spin-off is still ultimately just DMC.
At its core, yes, but once the split becomes the premise Nero and Dante's level and enemy designs would differ enough that you couldn't say they were completely the same.
>You could alternate the focus from game to game but Nero doesn't really justify a spin-off.
A good compromise, similar opportunity to focus without having to make a new title.
>Itsuno will never give up Nero (and Nero has a sizeable fanbase besides).
And he never should, from the start Nero was designed to do things Dante didn't via the D.Bringer and his unique DT. Now with the MMLegends-esque Devil Breakers to parallel Dante's MM-esque weapon gets he has enough interesting mechanics and customization built into him that just scrapping all that would be insanity.

What we need is a new character that can costar with Nero, because he can't carry a whole game by himself. I do think Dante needs to retire though because his character is done and tacking on more and more would just get old, but he should be an unlockable character still.

>What we need is a new character that can costar with Nero, because he can't carry a whole game by himself.
you'r asking for a character that plays well but won't take the spotlight away from Nero, Vergil will definitely take it away since he's older than him, Dante will also do so, what about the "V" playstyle? do you think a game with Nero and a slightly better "V" will do better than one with Dante, Vergil and Nero?
>Dante needs to retire
He certainly does not, he should always have involvement in the story no matter how minimum it is

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>At its core, yes
That's pretty much all that matters given the size of DMC's audience and the costs of development. Integrating Nero and Dante into the same game is just more efficient. There are ways to do this that would sort of give you what you're asking (consider an anthology game where each character runs through his own standalone story) but I really doubt the DMC5 way of doing things is going anywhere.

It's a shame, because I would very much prefer more focused games like DMC1 and DMC3, but that's just the way it is. Dante isn't going anywhere, Nero isn't going anywhere, and Vergil went somewhere but then split into two as an elaborate justification for why he is no longer going anywhere. That's what it means to be scared of fan outrage while simultaneously nursing your baby boy OC with a gross arm.

Why hasn't Dante got Trish preggers yet? I mean there's like a 10 year span in each of his wacky adventures

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>(consider an anthology game where each character runs through his own standalone story)
This is actually a really elegant solution, that's a good direction for future games so they can just focus on what can individually be done with the characters in manageable portions instead of trying to weave a larger, cohesive whole, until and unless they have one.

Honestly I don't want them to bring back Mundus. He's fucking dead and should stay that way. But the series hasn't had a threatening and purely evil asshole villain like him ever since. And no bombastic final boss like him either, even if the Space Harrier part of it isn't great.

I guess Arkham was kind of good? And Vergil, but he's too charismatic and sympathetic in 3 to be a real villain.

>He's fucking dead and should stay that way
>he forgot
m.youtube.com/watch?v=oMtNMt6wegE

I did forget! Damn. Still, they shouldn't recycle villains anymore. Vergil in DMC5 was kind of disappointing too. I wanted more out of it.

Yeah, me too. They should really come up with new cool bad guy, one that isn't just a human trying to become a god/demon

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>they shouldn't recycle villains anymore
they did it only one previous time so its not so bad and Mundus is involved in the overarching story as well

It would be the best solution but then they would probably have to rethink the 20 mission structure and probably cut it down per character. Or recycle most levels. I guess I'd be fine with that. I wouldn't be fine with less than 15 missions per character though.

IMO DMC5 should've either had at least 25 missions with more Dante and Nero missions, or V should've been cut altogether because he's so boring and janky in comparison.