Look at this shit, why are there fucking 11 third-parties? Nobody even asked for many of these. Remember when Smash was about Nintendo-Allstars?
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What went wrong? It's so bad that retards these days actually want more third-parties instead of first-party characters.
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because third party characters are way more exciting than sylyx or bandana dee or whatever else retarded "nintendo all-stars" you want
There's not enough third parties actually
This is all that’s needed, literally.
There is no other answer i’m right and you need to cope!
Yes there is. As long as cuts are inevitable next game then so is third party going back to 2-4 characters.
Add Bomberman and it's perfect
literally what difference does it make if the character is 1st party or 3rd party. the only thing that matters is that they're fun to play dumbass
>Ryu
>not needed
yikes! how cringe!
>Remember when Smash was about Nintendo-Allstars?
Nope.
I guess if Konami is on board yes, it’s better to represent a more mascot character over fucking human shit nobody wanted.
Banjo-Kazooie and Joker are completely unnecessary. Thank God they'll be cut next game.
It’s literally fucking true, street fighter is shit nobody wanted in smash .
> Actual iconic characters like Bomberman is only an AT
> Who's like Banjo and Bayo gets to be playable
Why is this allowed?
I consider Bayo and Banjo honarary Nintendo reps.
>Nintendo All-Stars
>Jigglypuff, Captain Falcon and Ness
Die bitch
Literally who cares. If we got more first party characters we’d literally be scraping the bottom of the barrel. Example of the first party characters people unironically most commonly request:
>Isaac
>Waluigi
>Bandana Waddle Dee
>Ashley
Fucking pathetic. This is why there are so many third party characters now. There is no substantial first party characters left to add.
Doesn’t freaking matter, it was Nintendo all stars because no character in the roster had a game that wasn’t on anything but Nintendo.
See you dumbfuck zoomer
Just because you didn't know the character, doesn't mean they aren't "AllStar" Sakurai and Nintendo
Ugly bear cunt yes!
But there’s a 10% joker stays if P5 is still relevant.
We already have bottom barrel shit like Palutena and Corrin, at least more people know who Waddle Dee and Waluigi are compared to those two
Clean yourself dilate.
>seething hard
>Pokémon character originally added in N64 and was relevant when they were added
>F-Zero character originally added in N64 and was relevant when they were added
>Earthbound character originally added in N64 and was relevant when they were added
I don’t agree with OP, but your argument is shit. Them being in the original Smash is the only reason those three are still playable in every game.
Hey Nintenfags, thanks for funding PS4 exclusives!
Every character looks like a faithful recreation except Sonic. He looks like a bootleg here.
Bit aggressive there big guy
There are zero Nintendo all stars left to put in Smash.
Mother is popular with Japs, though
>F-Zero wasn't successful or iconic back in the good ol days
Love this meme
Literally the only characters there that can't be considered Nintendo All-Stars are Snake, Cloud, and Joker, and Cloud and Snake can get a pass because Final Fantasy and Metal Gear have tons of history on Nintendo consoles
>There are zero Nintendo all stars left to put in Smash
This. The only really out there Smash inclusion to date is Joker. I still don’t understand how he’s playable. He’s the only mugen tier character on the roster.
Why are all the human characters so fugly?
Zoomerfaggots
I wouldn't mind more third parties, it makes the game feel more like an All-star with each iconic and popular requested character
If you limited it to just Nintendo characters, it'd still be fun, but you'd be limiting your choices and expansion on how different the fighters could be.
And it's not like you'd end up getting your popular requested character any time soon even if they stuck to that rule of only nintendo characters, Mipha for instances has been a trophy since brawl and she still isn't playable
Skull kid got shafted and just had the moon taken from him and turned into an assist trophy as well so you know he's not gettin in any time soon
Waluigi has memespouters and then actual fans and Sakurai has acknowledged the fact that fans were disappointed that Waluigi was an assist trophy
Isaac was well requested with his own franchise and was shafted
Chibi Robo was well requested with his own franchise and was shafted
Even if nintendo did keep to an Nintendo all-star game there was tons of franchises they ignored and will continue to ignore
Because any Nintendo characters remaining are side characters at best. No more all stars.
>less content bad
yikes
Please regale me about how based it would be to get Mike Jones or Bubbles in Smash I'd love both of them but you're a fucking retard if you'd rather have them than Megaman or Simon
There isn't much relevant first party characters to add, Smash 4 and Ultimate were reaching to get their newcomers and all the oddballs or retro characters that could get in are assist trophies, all there is left are shillpicks for upcoming games or relevant 3rd party, which sell DLCs
I want my favorite under-appreciated first party Nintendo characters(Like pic related) in Smash as much as much as the next guy, but I have to admit there's just some characters arguably more deserving.
Also adding characters like Banjo Kazooie and Cloud makes sense when you realize Smash Bros is now officially accepted by the mainstream as a celebration of all things gaming. Long gone are the days of it just being some dumb Nintendo All Stars fighting game. You may not agree with it, but its just how it is.
Besides there's always Additonal DLC or the next the Smash game to look forward to.
Plus Banjo Kazooie makes up for the lack of pic related in Smash for me on a personal level, so I'm not complaining too much.
Simon shouldn't even be there, swap him out with Bomberman
They have Dillon
Isaac deserved to be in over Olimar and Shulk as his games were more popular and sold more
I agree, there were already too many third parties in 4. the entire DLC being third parties is pretty shitty
>Mother is popular with Japs
lol no it's not, none of them even hit half a million sales there
>This popular video game character shouldn't be in the biggest video game crossover of all time because the wrong company owns their copyright.
Explain yourself.
Friendly reminder that if your most wanted list consists of nothing but 3rd parties, you out yourself as a fake Nintendo fan, who fell for the shitty “bing bing” meme, and only bandwagon smash releases like every other normie. If snake was never revealed in June last year then sales wouldn’t be where they are today, and that was all for the wrong reasons.
>Add Cloud
>no Bandana Dee
3rd party icons like Sonic, Mega Man, Ryu, and Simon Belmont >>>>> tertiary characters and D-listers like Bandanna Dee and Chibi Robo (not that Chibi Robo wouldn't be based)
Also Banjo is not 3rd party
shut the fuck up
> Also Banjo is not 3rd party
Retard, Microsoft owns the IP
Also BD is more popular than Bayo
What is this image a reference to? I don't get it.
Banjo is not a 3rd party
>Hat Goomba is more popular than Bayo
LMAO
>I want Waluigi
REEEEEEEEEEEEE HOW DARE YOU ASK FOR A NINTENDO CHARACTER ONLY THE MOST HARDCORE NINTENDOFAGS KNOW ABOUT!!!!
Here.... have another PS2 character instead
WOOOOOOOOOOOW BASED NINTENDO THANK YOU
Bayo has shit for merchandise compared to Waddle Dee
And Banjo is third-party you retarded zoomerfaggot, Nintendo doesn't own him and Sakurai had to get the rights to him from another Company.
How exactly is Banjo not a third party?
>wanted K. Rool and Ridley
>both suck
Maybe Dixie Kong will be better
Banjo had all of his success on a Nintendo console
So did Mega Man and he's third-party
if you're interested, look into the manga/anime before anyone spoils it for you.
>B-but he has merch
>Can't even get his own amiibo
Nobody wants Hat Goomba and Bayo will never be cut from Smash, sorry user
>Banjo is 3rd party
cool lie retard
Banjo's only games are on Nintendo consoles
Nice find, where's your source though, fag?
Reminder that this is a stale copypasta that already is dead considering how everyone with a brain can see this FP was meant for 3rd party characters.
Oh, neat, I actually just started part 3. Part 1 and 2 were fun, but this is on another level. Stands > Hamon, easily
>first party elitists
Nice try, cutfags. We can see through your shitty disguise.
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Not real
I want more third party representation actually. At this point we would be scraping the bottom of the barrel for Nintendo. Imagine getting a rep from fucking Golden Sun instead of Dragon Quest, Megami Tensei, or Final Fantasy. Excuse me for wanting a better roster.
Golden Sun deserved it more than Shitmin and Xenoshit
>wanted Waluigi and Geno since post-Melee legitimately
>thought they were cool characters and that Wario would be cool too
>Wario gets in, Waluigi is an assist, Geno nowhere
>fine with me, one’s still in the game and the other was badly wanted by Samurai anyway
>still an assist two games later, Geno gets a spirit
>want them in more, but still happy with Ultimate, got K. Rool and Banjo anyway
>Yea Forums hates both characters because popular, memefags, two people who harassed Sakurai on Twitter, spirits, etc.
>don’t care about what others think, be proud of my two boys and am still happy with my wanted characters, enjoying the both of them outside of meme shit
>one leak says Waluigi is the final Fighter Pass character, several others say Geno is either in the pass or is a bonus fighter like Plant
Even if neither are coming and we get something even more based like Crash, Doomguy or some other third character, I’m ok with it. I’ll hold out for my boys no matter what. There’s always next game.
Realistically, who are the best Nintendo All-Stars to choose from at this point? The most prolific characters are probably Dixie Kong and Waluigi, and regardless of whether or not you like those characters, they pale in comparison to almost any notable third party up to and including indies. In terms of more recently relevant characters there's Rex and another Splatoon rep. Let me work out exactly who we could get
>Dixie
>Waluigi
>Rex
>Octavio/Octoling
>Bandana Waddle Dee
>Wonder Red
>Tom Nook
>Elma
>Isaac
>Saki
>Chibi-Robo
>Spring Man
>Dillon
>Mike Jones
>Takamaru
>Sable Prince
>Kyle Hyde
>Ashley Robbins
>Can we count Fatal Frame?
Who exactly are we fooling with this lineup? That's not to say any of these characters are bad, but compare them to previous additions. The only one who might be able to tap in to Peach/Dedede rank is Octavio, who is ironically not really discussed. None of the classic options measure up to Pit or Duck Hunt's iconography. Spring Man is definitely no Inkling. Rex is probably on par with Ike or Robin. Dixie, Waluigi, and Tom Nook are like Falco or Bowser Jr. Dixie fairs better since she was DKC3's lead, but that doesn't change that everyone listed was lower on the priority list for good reason.
The heavy ends have already been covered. That doesn't mean these characters can't be added, just that it's no surprise people don't feel the need to spend time discussing them over third parties.
going by the virtual console there's one company missing
>No Simon despite being in the same position as Mega Man
A bunch of Sakurai fanboys are going to look at this list and say shit like "literally who" but unironically think that stuff like Palutena and Ice Climbers makes sense.
Because your faggot charactor has literally 1 move and all his games are bad, how's that for an answer? He's lucky he even gets in as an AT
ARMS is the only other Nintendo IP this decade that sold over 2 million
>Bandana Dee
There's a slew of great characters from Kirby and you go with the Hat Goomba. No, try again.
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motherfags are deluded, the fact that mother got so much in smash in the first place is FE tier and the fact that they ask for more from a dead series is ridiculous
Kill yourself zoomerfaggot
No it really didn't.
Now, to be clear, I considered mentioning those kinds of additions but figured they weren't relevant to the point be discussed. Again, nothing about my post is talking about the sorts of characters who can or can't be added or who is or isn't a good addition.
That's 100% true but you can just look at him as shorthand for any Kirby character, since he's the most frequently mentioned. Unfortunately all the better characters with unique designs don't reappear as much as him and don't have as much fan demand.
>pikmin
not even the same genre
>xenoblade
far better jRPGs than golden sun, and I say this as a fan of both series
Golden Sun was WAY more popular than both their first outings and sold more. Fuck off retards, Olimar and Shulk are under his level.
Not at all. Both are more successful and beloved.
Bayonetta and Joker are questionable inclusions but everyone else deserves their spot.
Octoling would have to be what it is. Octavio doesn't have that much of an identity other than being in a big flying machine. He could make for a good assist trophy like Wily or a boss in an adventure mode though.
I think a series people underlook a lot in terms of representation is Arms. With echos being so easy to implement, we could easily have Spring-Man AND Ribbon-Girl, cause they're both the faces of Arms. And I don't think it's out of place to have a ganon-like semi-clone in the form of Max Brass since he's story relevant, or maybe even Dr. Coyle.
For the most part I agree with you though, our list of Nintendo all stars is dwindling fast, which is why I'm personally open to more 3rd party heavy hitters. Though desu I'd love them to acknowledge old shit like Takamaru and Excitebite with playable appearances.
of course it was, xenoblade 1 was heavily limited outside of japan and X was released on the WiiU. I don't think golden sun outsold pikmin either
See Neck yourself turdfucker
The only remaining possible first party that doesn't blow dick is Dixie Kong. Everything else is either trash or will be ignored in favor of trash.
Doesn't EA have that one Simcity guy?
It did, by like 2000k
Oh, does EA own the rights to Wright? I can edit it if they do.
>muh sales
I am without a doubt sure that Olimar and Shulk hold more popularity than Isaac. Especially these days. The most you ever see about GS is how dead it is, people complaining how fucking long winded they are, or how shit the DS game was. It isn't a good series.
You can cut all of them I just want megaman still in and either crash or rayman for the next dlc fighter that's all
I wish we had more 3rd party items and stages
Smash hasn't been Nintendo All-Stars since Ness and the guy who only shows up in the manual and end screen of racing games nobody bought got on the roster.
Kill yourself, Golden Sun BTFO Xenoblade 1 big time, Shulk is a literal WHO compared to Isaac and was only popular because of Smash. Fucking retard
what's the source? I can't find anything other than it hit over a million
>muh relevancy
Barely anyone wants any xenoblade or pikmin characters despite their relevancy, hell 10 years from now they won't ever be mentioned in roster threads while Isaac is arguably the most requested character now.
oh, I want Wonder Red too. Forgot to mention him. Hope we get a Wonderful 1,001 or W102, whatever works. Gimme Murasame Castle 2 as well.
>Barely anyone wants any xenoblade characters
Sourcegaming, Wikipedia and DYKG
Just looked it up, according to the smash wiki he's owned by Nintendo.
I think that doesn't apply to the Snes game and the Dr.Wright character since those were made entirely by Nintendo before EA got the license, unless they are actually credited and I'm not aware of.
Ah, thanks for doing that.
Golden Sun isn't anywhere near as well-acclaimed as Xenoblade Chronicles though. That game is legit a masterpiece. Golden Sun is a B+, XC is an S rank.
Holy fuck, Japan has really awful taste.
Nah, armstards massively overestimate the series.
It missed it's one shot and now it's never getting in, just like Golden Sun, Chibi-Robo, and Custom Robo
>the expectations poll
lmao
How the hell does metal gear have "tons of history" on nintendo consoles? All it got was worse remakes of the MSX games on the NES, a worse remake of MGS1 on the gamecube, and a worse remake of MGS3 on the 3DS.
i would argue smash could use a dozen more third parties, because without them nintendo would just be stuck with the assist trophy fodder and most people would hate it.
Nintendo owns the right to Dr.Wright as he was made for the Nintendo versions of SimCity and has made cameos in Zelda, but EA owns the rights to SimCity, it's the only time this ever happened in Smash.
TLDR, Nintendo owns him.
Rex ranked highly in lots of western polls too, you're out of touch. Xenoblade is bigger than golden sun ever was, pikmin as well. Pikmin doesn't get character requests because it's hard to implement anymore than what's already available
there was one with who they wanted, the top 3 was the same except bandana dee was switched with rex. I'll try to find it but it's all in moonrunes
I don’t remember puff, falcon and ness having a game that was on a non-Nintendo console, therefore they’re Nintendo all stars
I looked these up and watched the DYKG video, I saw nothing outside of over a million
Compare the two retards
Oh fuck off, there always are Nintendo all stars to add!
Don't get me wrong I don't really care about not getting more Pikmin and I don't want Isaac as well. I'm just really sick of boring JRPG dudes, that's really why I hated Joker's inclusion so damn much.
Replace Luminary with Erdrick and it’s perfect.
what did he mean by this
joker is a shit tier inclusion, I agree. Hero is cool though and has iconic/Nintendo ties
I think you're mistaken. It's similarly in a situation like Pikmin was in Melee. Created at around the same time so it couldn't fit in the project plan, successful but by meager means to the point where reasonable doubt can be cast on it.
What sets Arms apart from Golden Sun, Chibi Robo, and Custom Robo is that Arms was developed by Nintendo EAD while all those other games are outside studios. Anything by EAD gets precedence in crossovers. That's why you see so much Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing AND Pikmin stuff in other games, despite Pikmin not being a particularly huge series.
He may have replied to the wrong thread, or had a stroke.
Should probably include the third party spirits just because.
I can't really knock Hero too much because of how huge his series is abroad but I'm not going to buy him either.
This is why I fucking want a reboot, remove third party shit for actual most wanted first parties, then sell third party a dlc, so it’s optional if we want them to join our roster or not.
Lmao
This, Simon isn’t even as iconic as you think and is just in because Konami pick shit reps. Best thing he did was create Metroidvania type games.
I want to add to what you're saying by saying that Xenoblade also kind of has a bit of a legacy with the other Xeno games. In a lot of ways, you could consider it a part of the same series as Xenogears or Xenosaga considering it was made by the same guy, has the same prefix, and has references to the other games such as KOS-MOS appearing in XBC2. If it wasn't for legality, they would definitely be the exact same series.
All the most wanted first parties already are in, cope
Too lazy. I was too lazy to include the stages and items too and somebody else added that on their own, hence the filename. Maybe i'll get around to it eventually.
>He doesn't like more legacy video game icons in a game about legacy video game icons
>He'd rather have a fighting game with Mario, Luigi, Yoshi, Peach, Toad, Bowser, Bowser Jr., Daisy, Wario, Rosalina, Waluigi, Koopa, Piranha Plant, Goomba, Hammer Bro, Dry Bones, Chain Chomp, Shy Guy, Bullet Bill, Lakitu, Metal Mario, Gold Mario, Pink Gold Peach, Gooigi, E.Gadd, Wart, etc.
Fucking yikes
ATLUS kind of deserves a spot in some way, megaten as a franchise is a NES-era grandpa that goes stronger than ever with Persona 5.
Aadd Chief and Crash to this list.
If you're not going to bother refuting me then go home.
Simon's fine, he just has the same issue any legacy cast has, do you pick the first, the most Iconic, etc. That's why they opted for an additional echo in Richter. By your own arguement, what genres has Bomberman created? (granted, I'm of the opinion that both Simon and Bomberman should be in Smash.)
Shy Guy would be infinitely more dope than half the guests we have already.
no, but there are too many smash threads on Yea Forums.
>chief
cringe
I'm a fucking fag and I while I want a lot of 3rd parties, I...can't help but want more generic enemies after plant....
So does Tecmo by that logic but they only have an AT.
>just because no one knows who it is doesn’t mean they aren’t all star
Holy shit
Bomberman is the grandaddy of multi-player in gaming and revolutionized 4-10 players in gaming before it became a stable. Back then, it was only 2 controller ports before the fifth generation.
hey guys! just letting you know that smash is objectively cancer
Wait, which AT is Tecmo's?
Ryu Hayabusa should be in, and so should some iteration of Sophia.
>tfw bandana waddle dee is so irrelevant that he has to get bunched up with Waddle Dee to get noticed
Hat goomba just keeps on getting shit on with each passing day.
The Fatal Frame girl.
FRIENDLY REMINDER
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I agree with sonic and Megaman but i’d rather have more most wanted first party picks such as BWD and Chibi robo over retard ryu and shitty Simon.
Ah right, she's technically first party so it slipped my mind.
He had N&B that wasn’t on a Nintendo console. Yes he IS 3rd party.
2nd party
Bomberfags seething that the Chadmonts got in is the best
>BWD > Bayonetta
This is true weather you like it or not, but they’re both equally deserving.
Remember that time when bandana dee fags were clamoring that the theories were facts and not just going up their own ass. Or that time when they thought a pause description meant that it was going to be playable in Ultimate? Sad to see you in this state.
Banjo will always and forever be a Nintendo character in my heart.
Jokes on you a waddle see HAS an amino. I do agree that bayo won’t be cut though.
You have to be over 18 to post here.
>retard ryu and shitty Simon.
Imagine being this mad that they are in Smash instead of your picks.
Yes it is, it still existed, you can’t change that, and looking at the spiral mountain stage, it looks like N&B is canon.
There aren't any more lost wanted first party picks.
There's a small minority of you screeching about them and each and every one of you wants a different autistic deep cut
Explain the reason why she got picked in the ballot instead of that other thing.
Joker is the only third party who doesn't belong. You cannot refute this. All the other 3rd party characters are at least okay or Echoes
This nigger knows what's up.
Same reason she got in over K.Rool, bias and rigged poll
I bought a fucking Wii U for either K.Rool and he wasn't even in. What a waste.
>Remember when Smash was about Nintendo-Allstars?
You mean how The Twin Snakes was a landmark Gamecube game?
Or do you mean how Sonic has had a home on Nintendo consoles since the year 2000?
Maybe you're referring to how Mega Man was born and raised on the NES.
Or you could mean Pac-Man, who has had Nintendo games all the way from the NES to the current year.
You could mean Ryu and Ken, who finally brought Street Fighter to home consoles on the SNES.
We can't forget Cloud of course. He may be from a PSX game, but he is the face of Final Fantasy, which had it's origins on Nintendo systems. A gesture of good will from Square Enix.
You can't possibly mean Bayonetta, seeing as her games are exclusive to Nintendo consoles now. Even you can't be that retarded.
I wouldn't put it past you being retarded enough to forget the Belmonts though. The best games in their series are on NES and SNES.
Not thinking of Joker, are you? He's the current face of the Shin Megami Tensei series, which had its beginning on, you guessed it, the Famicom.
I shouldn't even have to explain the Dragon Quest hero, and if I do you're even more dense than I imagined.
And finally Banjo's only notable games were on the Nintendo 64.
In conclusion, eat shit and die.
They need to be added, all of them are far more important to be added in smash than about 3/4 of the shitty third party characters.
Waiter! This pasta is stale.
> Facebook Frog
Kill yourself zoomerfaggot
if we consider bayonetta as a surrogate first party then I agree. Snake is REALLY pushing it, I think he's ok in ultimate but should be removed moving foward. Otherwise yeah, every third party not joker is historically iconic, involved with nintendo, or both
Absolutely fucking based
Mad because your faggot thread's logic was torn to shreds? Deal with it, you child.
Who the fuck cares? They could make a frozen dog shit dildo character and if it had good moves it would be a good addition to the roster
Why do you need to play as a specific character?
>ZOOM
Double cringe
>Implying i'm OP
Frogposters deserve shit, all of them are Twitterfags who are under 20 and deserve death. Fuck off.
Do you have evidence it was rigged? Please don't tell me that you were actually this salty.
The reason there are so many 3rd party characters because that's the only selling point smash has left.
Fanboys accept the gameplay because it's only about the roster now, I mean just look at the way the roster is treated by the fanbase before release with the fucking petitions and bullshit
Stay mad, shitlord. Frog = free replies. You played into my hand.
I more or less agree with you, I think Snake is iconic enough to warrant his spot, but he's probably the second one I'd cut.
>If you're not going to bother refuting me then go home.
Reality and facts refute you. I'm just laughing at your sadness.
Based. I don't care for Waluigi but I don't mind him or any Smash addition. Hang in there, fellow Genobro. He'll get his time to shine again, Smash or not. Hope you get your WAH, too.
1stpartyonlyfags are the real plague in the fanbase, they make stevefags look like heroes
Posting Frog proves that you are a newfag who unironically thinks Pepe is Yea Forums's Mascot. Kill yourself
This desu, first post best post
However I think no third party character should be there if they aren't older than the GameCube desu
So fuck joker and fuck bayonetta
Pepes and wojak are tumblr cancer, thus why I used him for free replies. Deal with it.
F-Zero was never hugely popular especially when compared to the other series represented in smash 64.
The only reason Falcon was selected for the game was because he was easy to fit over the scrapped fighter movesets from the original Smash before it had nintendo characters.
Sonic is cringe desu
>character nobody ever, EVER even mentioned wins a popularity poll
yeah sure okay
Nobody gave a fuck about Snake and Metal Gear until 1998, characters like Pac-Man and Mega Man predates that in decades.
Waddle Dee has an amiibo, bwd does not. What happened to you guys? At first you were trying to differentiate him from the other species and saying that it is its own individual, now they're trying to say he's in the same level as a goomba? What a fucking joke.
Might as well get rid of Sonic. He's a lost cause at this point.
cringe
based
NAH, he’s human shit nobody asked for, third party should at least be a recognisable mascot.
Fuck you
I agree with you on every point except Joker, Flynn is the face of SMT at this point. Joker is the face of the casualized spinoff. Remember that P5 is the first Persona game to drop the SMT from the title.
Official poll is different from the fan poll. Not everyone is going to partake in fan polls in which there is a small timeframe to participate in one. Meanwhile the official one was announced in a direct, multiple outlets advertise it, was on the official website, and it stayed on for a prolonged time for someone to cast their votes. Also where is the evidence that it was rigged?
Needs more.
>No body even asked for many of these.
How is that rock you're living under?
based
That’s actually much better than most American polls.
With the exception of bwd of course.
>were still debating who belongs in Smash
Stop crying and find something better to do
Fuck you, it’ll be you coping next game when almost all third party is cut.
Most of this correct but the best way to debunk this is simple
Sakurai doesn't give a fuck about these rules of who belongs, he really fucking doesn't care
Most are fine and are either longstanding icons or have some amount of history with Nintendo
Some, like Joker, make zero sense and shouldn't be in the game because who the fuck is Joker?
There are 5 Smash games (6 if you include 3DS). There have been more Smash games with third-parties then without
Cope cutfag
Cut the roster, massively.
Bayonetta is the only underwhelming 3rd party addition in Smash Bros.
Joker is from the best selling game in the Megami Tensei series, which has been a mainstay of Nintendo systems.
>Sakurai doesn't give a fuck about these rules of who belongs, he really fucking doesn't care
This, he's said he picks whoever he fucking wants to pick. If he thinks they'll make for a fun and/or unique character, he'll put them in the game.
These people are as bad as the
>muh patternz
autists over on /vp/, acting like fucking anything and everything sets some kind of hard precedent that dictates the future.
Based. You've earned this.
Purse Owner 5 isn't on Switch, Joker is a literal-who outside of Japan. Easily the least-exciting smash reveal ever and the only one I've ever been actively disinterested in.
>B-b-but 900k sales in the west!
Wow, that sure is a huge number and totally not representative of a niche, non-mainstream game most people haven't heard of, let alone played!
Based, remember the fact that Crash has more nintendo exclusives than sony exclusives and has had nintendo games since the early 2000s.
Nice headcanon fag
Scramble will be on Switch, Joker will be in Catherine Full Body, and PQ2 is on 3DS. Joker was chosen for the same reason as Cloud: he's the character from the series most people are going to recognize and be excited about. Not nearly as many people would be excited about Flynn, Kazuya, or Raidou. Joker is from the best selling game Atlus ever made, even if it wasn't on Switch.
Pretty much. I'm not really sure where Smash debates began but I feel like the people who obsess over this shit are just retarded. They don't even care about the game it seems, they've just amounted to so little in life that they need to be correct in a debate over a fictional crossover game.
Cloud is a gaming icon, joker is not. Nobody is going to buy those games, they would have bought persona 5
I can’t wait for the day your heart breaks when ugly bear cunt is removed next game and never appears in anything again.
They're both bad choices for Smash. Final Fantasy 1-6 were on NES/SNES, plenty of great characters there, but no, we get Cloud. May as well just put literally any fucking character in the game at this point if they don't need to have any real connection to Nintendo, bring on Goku. He's had at least a dozen games on Nintendo platforms!
Because we have enough first party characters
2/3 of the roster are 2/3
Third party characters are more exotic, and they already deconfirmed the only two new third party characters I cared about (springman and reX)
It's real fun spotting the seething stevens.
>Autism
yeah no shit, dummy
Cope, we’ll never give up, we will win.
Fuck off
>It has to be a lesser-known character from the series instead of literally the most recognizable JRPG protagonist ever.
Yeah I'm thinking stay mad
YEAH! LOOK AT ALL THESE EXCITING FIRST PARTY IPS
>Because we sell enough video games
>2/3 of the store is video games
>Gamestop is now Hot Topic for nerds
Smash doesn't need to turn into PlayStation All-Stars
stay mad
>Banjo will still be in
>Stevefags screeching
Lip should've been playable already
joker is more of a gaming icon than fursuit bear.
>due to the cuts, people stay back and just play Ultimate
>cutfags seeth due to the next game taking a hit in popularity and being less successful
>Sakurai re-adds every character to every Smash sequel
>They all get in as DLC in the new game regardless
Screencap this
If a nintendo character is good enough to be an assist trophy, he's good enough to be an actual character especially when fucking pichu,Dr Mario,dark samus and dark pit are in the game
I'd fucking love to be able to play as andross or nightmare
>But how would they play?
I'd tell you how they would play
Like a not fucking anime swordman
FF7 was on PS1. Cloud has nothing to do with Nintendo. I'd argue he aesthetically doesn't fit well in the game either, and he's an obnoxious character to boot.
Leave advance wars and starfy out of this
first of all, no he's not. second, banjo has been tied with nintendo historically
You know who else is an icon? Steve. He in smash? NOPE
Unless they just add to Ultimate, it's going to be near impossible to bring back everyone again. Some may return here and there in various sequels but never again.
no lie: takamaru, balloon fighter, ayumi, bubbles, mach rider, goku, starfy, lip, urban champion, captain syrup and sukapon would all be awesome
Just like how people kept playing Brawl instead of Smash 4, right?
The Mario and sonic games exist, they’ll never remove him.
>Remember when smash was about nintendo-allstars?
No, because the very first game had random nobodies like Jigglypuff, Ness, and Captain Falcon.
No, more like how people kept playing Melee instead of future games
yes he is. fursuit bear is from a dead franchise that nobody other than smash rosterfags cares about. joker is from a series that's been running for decades and his game was the goty of 2017.
Seeeethein Steves~
No, with his high inclusion!
>Cloud has nothing to do with Nintendo
FF7 is THE game that established Playstation as a significant competitor to Nintendo, causing them to lose majority market share for the first time ever. To think that isn't significant to Nintendo's history, the decisions and direction they took makes you a moron.
This.
Kirby, Ness, Pikachu and Jigglypuff were third partiers from the get go.
>his game was goty 2017
Cloud is included because he's a popular character from a popular franchise, thinking of it any further than that is just mental gymnastics, that applies to Snake too in addition to Kojima wanting him in the game.
Yes indeed starting with at least 3/4 of the characters in the OP image.
Doesn't matter. It's about series. Final Fantasy has a lot to do with Nintendo and they needed to pick a character. They decided Cloud was the most recognizable character, so they went with him. Same thing goes for Joker and Megaten.
Nah
>snake
>ryu
>cloud
>bayo
>snake
>joker
>hero
>banjo
All fucking underwhelming and not needed.
These. He's a massively popular character who people still like today. It's an easy choice for Sakurai
There has never been rules for Smash candidates unless Sakurai says so (and even then, he breaks those rules)
FUCKING. BASED.
Yes there are you fucking retarded frogposter
based
>taps glass
"ahem"
i have an announcement to make
FUCK CUTFAGS
FUCK REBOOTFAGS
FUCK RELEVANCY FAGS
FUCK NINTENDO-ONLYFAGS
FUCK SALESFAGS
FUCK NIGGERS
AND FUCK JANNIES
Please enlighten me with this amazing rulebook that Sakurai himself has approved of
There is no "we" it's just one ESL retard seething on Yea Forums
Think of all the unique movesets, so much better than all that third party shit.
>waah waaah why are there more options :(
Kill yourselves everyone ITT
Nah, ugly bear cunt is a guaranteed cut, I personally don’t want Steve. I don’t want a Microsoft rep in general.
not a single major outlet had P5 as the goty, nor did Yea Forums vote it as GotY. No one's crying here
Part 5 is pure fucking kino, catch up soon user, the hour-long special finale is this sunday
Smash is a Kirby game.
Nope
I'm not interested in talking about that subject. Delete this thread.
>sonic
Yes
>megaman
meh
>pacman
meh
>snake
meh
>ryu
Yes
>cloud
Yes
>Bayonetta
meh
>simon
Yes
>joker
meh
>dragon quest
Yes
>banjo kazooie
meh
>only one reply
Kek sure.
Absolutely based
>trannies hate him because he spoke the TRUTH
You wanted 5 games of Mario vs Yoshi? Upset that AAA icons like Solid Fucking Snake took roster spots from Baby Mario?
What are you fucking retarded?
>Mega Man and Pac-Man meh
Your opinion makes me more mad than it should.
Entire thread BTFO'd by a frogposter, yikes
>Both Nintendo and Microsoft agree that Banjo was one of the easiest deals they ever made.
>Nintendo was "surprised" by how much fans got excited by Banjo's inclusion, so they are aware that he is a fan-favorite now.
>The only time a 3rd-Party has ever been cut was with Snake and that was when Konami was going full retard and burning all kinds of bridges.
Banjo will be an obligatory 3rd-party rep from now on, just like Sonic. They'll just toss him in because it's easy money for minimum effort.
>megaman and Pac-Man Meh
>Retard ryu, shitty simon, and stingy square as yes...
What a terrible taste you have.
Wouldn't even be mad if Terry got in
>Cloud is included because he's a popular character from a popular franchise, thinking of it any further than that is just mental gymnastics
Yeah, that's the fucking point, that's not a good thing.
Again, let's just have Goku and Shrek if that's all that matters. They're popular characters from popular franchises, right? They stopped all the polls, people want them. We already dropped the pretense of the character having to be related to Nintendo in some way, why do they have to be video game characters at all?
>They topped all the polls
>Shitty simon
Seethe more, bomberfags
>it's not a good thing for the face of an entire massive series that had strong ties to early nintendo consoles is in smash
durrrrr
>why do they have to be video game characters at all?
Because THAT'S the fucking point, the first third party guest already had more history in other consoles than in Nintendo, but only fanboys care about that.
Stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill waiting on that rulebook, kiddos
Konami probably will have a 3rd rep.
Either Bill rizer from Contra or Venom Snake.
>it's not a good thing for the face of an entire massive series that had strong ties to early nintendo consoles is in smash
You rang?
>if this video game franchise that started and is most well known for being tied with nintendo can get in, why not these not video game characters THEY'RE PRACTICALLY THE SAME!
>Because THAT'S the fucking point
Oh, so now YOU get to arbitrarily decide where the line is drawn?
Before it was all
>lol dats not da point dey all can be in :^)
In response to the argument that Smash is about NINTENDO characters and NINTENDO games, not just video games and video game characters in general.
>What went wrong?
Sakurai uses Smash as his mid-life crisis to work on other characters and games. Meanwhile, you have two kinds of Smash fans. On one side, you have the spergs who need constant dopamine rushes and normal Nintendo characters wont do that. The other are the cosmopolitains who are going to go on Twitter and post images and say "WOW IMAGINE IF YOU TOLD YOUR 8 YEAR OLD SELF THIS WHAT WOULD THEY THINK OMG." Combine this together and you have everyone trying to turn Smash Bros into fucking MUGAN.
I also think there are actually a lot of Smash Bros fans that don't like Nintendo. Smash communities are the only ones I see claim that Nintendo's new IPs will flop. Who do you think keeps saying ARMS was a flop (despite selling as well as SFV). I've also heard them say Astral Chains will be "just another Wonderful 101" despite every metric showing people are more interested in that title. They want series to fail so they maybe don't have a shot at Smash. They hate Isabelle despite her being one of Nintendo's most popular characters. They also fuck up Fire Emblem discussions and they are starting to do it to Kirby too. I wouldn't be surprised if they hate the next Smash Bros if they start adding Nintendo characters (which they'll have plenty of next go around). Not to say everyone is this way but this is a sampling of what I've seen come out of the "community".
Really, I just want a Nintendo All-Star games. It's what got me into Smash and I hate that others have used it success to play make legal MUGAN. I almost don't want a Nintendo themed Mario Kart because I know the minute they do that idiots will suggest Megaman or Sonic to be in fucking Mario Kart and the cycle repeats. They can have Smash Bros just give us something Nintendo.
ah yes, Dragon Ball, the famous video game series
I refuse to believe unironic gokufags exist, no one can be that unironically retarded
Who says the characters have to be from video games
You stupid faggots said the same fucking shit when people didn't like that random third-party characters are in the game, you called that line in the sand arbitrary and irrelevant, why do you now get to make the same argument and draw your own arbitrary line in the sand?
I rly hope its Goku and Master Chief. They're the only characters that can potentially top the Sonic/Snake/Cloud level of 'this cant be real' hype
Nah, this is the ultimate smash, he gave us Ridley and K Rool, you unfortunately couldn’t complete that without ugly bear cunt. Need I remind you that ugly bear cunt is dlc, makes me think none of the fighters pass characters will return next game....what’s that ryu cloud and bayonetta were also 3rd party dlc? guess they might be cut too since they were only brought back for everyone is here.
>hurr it's not nintendo allstars already because it has 3rd party characters in and no waluigi :(
End yourself
i never understood why smash bros being mugen was a complaint, isn't smash already mugen since the first game by definition? why is having a bunch of video games together in one fighting game a big no no t some people?
This is what i call prime based, look at it go. OP and all the first-party only defenders are eternally and inhenretly BTFO for mutiple generations movin foward.
because it's the only established rule by sakurai
Sakurai himself you fucking brainlet. He's explicitly said anime characters won't be getting into Smash in an interview
Autism
and how wildly appropriate would it be to blatantly break that rule as the final DLC character in the final game?
>Gokufags are this desperate
>muh patternz
>muh rules
Sakurai also said he wasn't making DLC for Smash 4, I guess we never got any?
>has no argument so has to resort to going "muh"
Basado retardo
Yeah, more retro reps would be great. Sure they’re obscure and never ever but a lot of these characters have super strong moveset potential.
>DLC is guaranteed to be cut because I said so
>And don't you dare bring up Ryu, Cloud or Bayo, because they dismantle my poorly crafted bait!
Okay chief, have one last (You) for the road, you look pretty desperate for it.
No fuck Konami they have such shit picks.
>a lot of Smash Bros fans don't like Nintendo
This wouldn't surprise me, and I think its the price we have to pay for opening the floodgates too wide. Now everyone wants a piece of the same pie and many are willing to throw away everything that made Smash endearing to get what they want.
"firstpartyonly"fags absolutely decimated.
Because Chosen Undead is so much more interesting
but this isn't true in the slightest nig nog, none of the third party reps are out of place at all and only add to the roster, as this based poster put it
>B-b-but Sakurai said this, that one time!
>Even though he directly contradicts himself all the fucking time
Nintendo chose the DLC characters anyway, Sakurai didn't even make any of the decisions. If Nintendo picked Goku or fucking Shrek, guess who's going to be in Smash?
This, just give us a smash game without 3rd party...!
We can have hope because a reboot would likely do this.
this but unironically
>he doesn't like based bill Rizer
>this, please, no one asked for iconic reps! smash lost its soul because we don't have king boo and waluigi in the game :(
what a baby
Oh that's definitely a realistic guess, because Goku and Shrek have noticeable presence currently in the industry on nintendo consoles right?
>I play a game built and marketed entirely around fanfare. But I also have severe autism, and am unable to overcome a throwaway statement on the origin of characters. Because of this, I argue online that another generic swordfighter rep would be superior to the most iconic protagonist in fiction outside of Luke Skywalker
>all of his normals are the gun, so he plays just like how he does in the original game
>when you buy the DLC or appears in the next game you have to punch in the konami code on the title screen
>the NES contra title theme plays as the title screen flashes black and white
>you then can fight him
>most iconic protagonist in fiction
Gokufag delusion stinks enough, you already got your meme pick's face included with Erdrick, suck it up it's never going to happen.
I'm fucking furious. Look, Yea Forumsros, the publisher purity of this pernicious culture known as Smash BROTHERS (cunts, leave) is under assault. To Pacman, to Bayonetta, to Cloud, to Duck Hunt, I say GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM. YOURE NOT WELCOME HERE
kek
BASED
Whatever, i know I’m right, you need no proof, I can’t wait till the day you seeth and cope when ugly bear cunt is axed and never makes an appearance again.
Read the post again, moron. Third-party wankfests are caused by anons like you who are only here as a result of the oversaturation of the third-party shitstorm.
Also, Cloud and Joker absolutely don't belong because they're SPECIFICALLY crossovers of games that aren't on Nintendo systems. If they brought references to Nintendo-related games with them, it be different, but don't pretend those PlayStation incarnations deserve to be on a Nintendo crossover.
>My arbitrary rules are LAW
Xenoverse 2, DBFZ and Super Dragonball Heroes or whatever the fuck its called have sold more copies than any FF game has on a Nintendo console in years and years.
Yet another shitty human from Konami that nobody asked for.
>games that aren't on Nintendo systems
>what is Final Fantasy 7 on Switch
>what is Persona 5 S and Persona Q1/Q2
durrrrrr m-muh purityyyy
There's a reason brainlets like you are a minority
Ultimate is the last game we need with too much third party bloating the roster, next game needs to seriously step it down and add most wanted first party characters since they could be just as unique as the shitty third party that is bloating up the roster.
I wouldn't say there are too many, but a few of them aren't anywhere near on the same level as the rest and could probably be cut. I'm looking at Bayonetta and Joker.
I'd take 11 third parties over seething Ashley pedos any day
>third party bloat
>12 characters out of a roster of 70+
>most wanted first party characters
like waluigi? First party purists are just embarrassing at this point, nothing but pure autism
>spinoffs
Don't pretend that counts, it specifically says Persona 5.
I'll admit, I forgot about the VII port, but that wasn't the case back in 2015, so the point preemptively stands.
FUCK YOU WITH YOUR BOMBERMAN BULLSHIT I DON'T WANT TO EVER HAVE TO DEAL WITH BOMB SPAMMING WI-FI FUCKTARDS IN THIS GAME IT'S BAD ENOUGH ALREADY WITH SOME OF THE CAST.
I hope bomberman is NEVER playable because he would only be insufferable to play against. He is a garbage character for this game
Persona 5 S technically counts then. if cloud's anything to go by it's practically inevitable we'll get a Persona port eventually in a few years too so that argument will also be moot.
>W-whateverrrrr! i know im right because i said so!
MUGAN is a bunch of random characters. Anyone and anything can be in MUGAN. When someone says Smash Bros is MUGAN they mean the game just has anyone and everyone. There is no common identity to the characters. The only differences between Smash and MUGAN is Smash Bros has only video game characters.
First, why is it when you say "I'd like this game to be about Nintendo" idiots always bring up Waluigi. It's like they know so little that that's the only character they can bring up.
Consider this. Megaman got about 17 remixes in Ultimate. That is more than the total songs for the Yoshi series over the last 5 games (14 in total). Castlevania got 13 new remixes. Meanwhile, Wario, Punchout, Xenoblade and Star Fox got nothing. This is in spite of Star Fox and Xenoblade having a Wii U title.
The problem with Smash isn't just that there are 3rd parties. It's that the third party stuff is added at the expense of Nintendo stuff. Starting from the Smash 4 DLC, they have added 14 new characters. Of those only 7 were from Nintendo while the other 6 were 3rd party characters (in fairness, one of them was Banjo). Of those Nintendo characters, 2 were some of the most requested characters of all time, another was one of Nintendo's biggest characters (Isabelle) and the other was from one of Nintendo's biggest new series. Meanwhile, they add characters like Joker and Ryu because LOL WHY NOT. Getting into the weeds a bit but my point is it feels like the Nintendo characters have to be fucking monuments to get in. Oh, by the way, despite selling better than any Castlevania games Splatoon got fucking 4 remixes compared to Castlevania's 13 and Megaman's 17. Its gotten to the point where they add more non-Nintendo stuff than Nintendo stuff. Again, Smash is suppose to be a celebration of Nintendo. The issue isn't that 3rd parties are in Smash. It's that they don't add anything from Nintendo anymore. Most of the Nintendo stuff in Ultimate is legacy shit.
>salesfag
yikes
Persona 5 is, in itself, a spinoff.
What are:
>Dragonball 1-3 for NES
>DBZ Super Butoden for SNES
>DBZ Legendary Super Warriors for GBC
>Legacy of Goku 1-3 for GBA
>DBZ Budokai 1-3 for GC
>DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi 3 for Wii
>DB Xenoverse 2 for Switch
>DBFZ for Switch
As you can see, Dragonball has a long, long history with Nintendo and has had multiple releases on almost every Nintendo platform. There are dozens of Dragonbvall games on Nintendo's platforms, why does Goku not deserve to be in the game?
>Cloud is the most popular and iconic FF character!
>W-w-what do you mean this other character is more popular AND has sold more games on Nintendo's systems!?
>DOESN'T COUNT DOESN'T COUNT DOESN'T COUNT SALESFAG REEEEEEEEEEE
oh no, how dare nintendo add 12 third party characters, think of the poor 65+ first party nintendo characters that have been overshadowed :(
>he's still trying to push his goku meme
please don't reply to me ever again.
Mega Man, Ryu, Simon, Sonic, Banjo and Dragon Quest are small, but important pieces of Nintendo's gaming history. Pac-Man is a videogame icon (and Bamco is the co-developer of Smash Bros), Bayonetta is associated with Nintendo now.
Cloud, Snake and Joker --as character choices-- are the odd ones.
Nintendo has exhausted first party characters that they think are interesting enough to be in Smash. They're not going to dig through the casts of Advance Wars or Golden Sun for potential newcomers when a character like Cloud would be far more hype. Even if they weren't choosing third parties, that doesn't mean you'd get more picks like Captain Falcon and Ness. The roster would probably look more like Mario Party + Pokemon.
none of your arguments work because the end-of rule Sakurai's stated is the character has to originate from a video game. There's 0 reason and 0 chance to deviate from that when there's other video game characters that are more deserving of getting in than Goku, who's an iconic ANIME AND MANGA character, not an iconic VIDEO GAME character
>Cloud is the most popular and iconic FF character of a beloved video game franchise!
>W-w-what do you mean goku, an anime character, isn't vidya? he has video games too!
>THEY'RE THE SAME, THEY'RE THE SAME, THEY'RE THE SAME REEEEEEEEEEE
omg why does smash have 12 third party characters!?!?!? Ryu and Banjo totally stole Goomba and King Boo's slots! ultimate is SOULLESS bros!!
by your logic Luke Skywalker is far, far more likely to get into smash than Goku because Star Wars has had video games on nintendo systems too
This doesn’t account for the re-releases of Mother 1 and 2 on Wii U, which were actually best sellers on the console.
but the common identity to all the characters in smash is that they've been represented on a nintendo console, so no, comparing it to MUGEN doesn't work you brainlet
Alrighty guys and gals of all ages, I wanna get YOUR opinion. If you could switch to a timeline in which the Grinchleak was real but there were no dlc characters afterwards, would you?
>didn't add Banjo
FOUND THE STEVEFAG!
But Luke Skywalker didn't top any of the fan polls :^)
I didn't add him and Ken because they are in both timelines. It would be redundant.
fuck no. The world couldn't replace Plant
>I can make up rules but YOU can't!
We're not having a sleep over in your mom's basement, sweaty
Stop being paranoid m8, Banjo is in either way. They just didn't bother because it was obvious.
>11 of my 74 characters are 3rd party. That’s too many!!
>replace third partiers...with third partiers.
He's still extremely iconic, both in the east and west so he has far more reaching appeal than Goku does. He also has a huge legacy and a new Star Wars game coming up as well.
Replied to the wrong guy
Nintendo still has lots of interesting characters, but no one will generate as hype (and sell as well) as a 3rd Party character like Crono to give one example.
Except, of course, a new Pokemon from SS they want to shill.
> Putting Banjo along with all these other franchises
Fuck off, Banjo is a joke compared to the likes of Street Fighter and Sonic the Hedgehog
sorry kid, sakurai makes the rules, not me.
definitely
Do you only ever play Nintendo games? Why would you not want to include characters from other games you've enjoyed as well?
> getting angry that other characters are in
> actually taking time to bitch about it
> getting angry that 3rd parties are in
> getting angry at a nintendo game
> getting angry
>Labeling any character as a bigger joke with Sonic in the same sentence
Stevie stevie cope and seethie
>I also think there are actually a lot of Smash Bros fans that don't like Nintendo.
no, there really aren't. smashfags are the most autistic nintendofags of them all.
>Cloud
>Joker
>been represented on a nintendo console
>Simon
>not recognizable
he was in a TV show with mega man and pit
Swap Dee with Dark Matter (or noone at all if we're talking absolute needed remaining reps)
Issac
AW rep
Captain Syrup
Space Firebird, Mach Rider, or other ancient IP
Custom Robo rep
EBA/Ouendan
Anna
Lip
are you perhaps, mentally ill?
>Street Fighter
Sure
>Sonic the Hedgehog
Sonic's been dead for years and is only kept afloat by weaponized autism and nostalgiafags who remember the "good ol' days" when Sonic was actually Mario's rival and not his bitch.
> MUH STEVE!
Obsessed retard, your shitty bear did nothing for gaming. Baffles me he got in over actual iconic characters like Bomberman
Yeah.
Sonic forces is a joke
but you'd be fucking retarded to say the entire series is, you can't deny it's popularity.
Also fuck stevefags
Nintendo chose the DLC roster, actually, but okay lol
Banjo was my most wanted, so I personally am happy with either timeline. I would choose the Grinch timeline mainly because Isaac and Geno fans have wanted their characters for a long time, and I would like them to feel the same happiness I did at this moment.
A shame snake and sonic got the shorter stick for their movesets. Megaman, hero and joker be having authentic UI elements or faithful animations while Snake still can't use guns and Sonic mostly uses made up attacks outside of spin dashing
> Shitting on Sonic the Hedgehog
Go back to your Fortnite streams you fucking zoomers.
Sonic is only alive because Sonic Mania is the only good game to come from the series in fucking years.
Sonic is still a joke though
t. a long time fan
>T-t-they were in these 1 or 2 spin-off games as side characters!
Meanwhile Goku has starred in literally dozens of games on Nintendo's platforms.
Final fantasy started on NES and Cloud was in the kingdom hearts ds games
SMT started on NES and Joker was in persona Q2 on the 3ds
At least the majority of sonic games are good...
>Bombermanfags
Oh no, even worse, aren't you tired of getting dabbed on by BelmontCHADS?
> sakurai stated video game characters only
> sakurai stated no anime or manga originating characters
> B-BUT GOKU HAS BEEN IN TONS OF GAMES ON NINTENDO'S PLATFORM!111
Shut the fuck up you retarded ass bitch
they had a good streak with generations, then they went "lol why don't we just stay ironic and memey instead of actually having some backbone as a series" and shat out the most soulless game in the franchise: sonic forces.
Mania 2 when tho
> Banjies can't argue because they have nothing
Kill yourself shill
And Banjo isn't even alive.
>First, why is it when you say "I'd like this game to be about Nintendo" idiots always bring up Waluigi.
because waluigi, and other trash like geno and isaac, are the type of characters that the anti-third party crowd wants. these are characters that would excite nobody, would add little to the game, and even they know it deep down. that's why they want to gatekeep third-party characters out of smash, to lower the competition for the boring-ass characters they want.
this type of shit is another classic example of why rosterfags are laughed at by normal people. the amount of energy that gets wasted on arguing about a party game's roster that you have no control over is mindblowing.
Not a video game character, sweaty. Luke Skywalker and Bruce Lee for Smash when?
>because they have nothing
yeah except a slot in Smash Bros, how's that assist trophy glass taste Bomberfags?
Yes persona is a spin-off game
Give Crash Bandicoot.
>more relevant than Banjo
>better than Banjo
>Crash original games sold more than Banjo originals
>got revivals because.... see above. more relevant
why people pretend to care more about Banjo is beyond me. noisy minority perhaps?
>Banjies have nothing
They have their character in Ultimate
>Crashkeks seething that a fucking BEAR got in as the platformer mascot instead of them
oh no no no
>all these newfags taking obvious bait
of course.
> Sweaty
Banjokes can't even spell
> What is P5S
Retard
>zero nintendo all stars left to put in Smash
*ahem*
Is there even enough exciting character choices from Nintendo left to fill a set of newcomers for a new game?
I'd much rather have updated veterans than boring trash like toad and dixie kong
Bizarre cope
>471479381
NOPE. don't even fucking try
ignore it, its a stevefag.
>Bomberfags are newfags
>Bomberfags still seething they got dunked on by BelmontCHADS and now BanjoCHADS
Poor baby
He's saying that you're sweating a lot, have a wash
b-but king boo and dixie are iconic!!
>inceniroar fan is projecting
every time
No way. I like the characters we got.
3rd party characters are simply more interesting than the vast majority of remaining 1st party characters
Sakurai also stated third party characters would "have to be a very special situation." How many "special situations" do we have now?
Sakurai also stated he wasn't making DLC for Smash 4.
Was there not DLC for Smash 4?
> Banjokes think their bear is hotshit just because he's in Smash
Nigger he did nothing for the industry and will most likely never be in another game, why are you glad this shitter got in?
sakurai still picked the characters.
Oh so steve and crashfags are also consolewarriors
noisy minority. Crash is superior and you know it. Crash got 4 revivals, Crash originals sold more. gg no re
Because it makes you niggers seethe and the based bear got to make it in despite years of being a NEVER EVER
argument doesn't work. none of these "special situations" have involved bringing in characters that don't originate from a video game.
Try again, Gokek
Every character who appears in smash is automatically hot shit, that's just the effect smash has
I'm sorry that your most wanted didn't get in but being bitter and seething makes you look like a bitch
retard, it's a falseflagger.
>471480080
even if you aren't a stevefag, fuck off anyway
>Look at this shit, why are there fucking 11 third-parties?
because of the 70 first parties
>Nobody even asked for many of these.
the only character that's true of is Piranha Plant
>It's so bad that retards these days actually want more third-parties instead of first-party characters.
well yeah because Nintendo ran out of notable first party protagonists a while ago, it's either that or add shit characters or don't add any new ones
also, remove yourself from the gene pool, rosterfag
yeah but Crash isn't in Smash and Banjo isn't. Whoops
No, Nintendo picked them. We've known this since before the game launched.
>Super Smash Bros. Ultimate’s DLC line-up is now complete. This time the selection was made entirely by Nintendo. I decide if we can create a fighter based on their selection, then come up with the plan.
stop feeding the stevefag retard
As if that Simon looked anything like how Simon's really meant to look like.
you just named five games which is a ton of history.
also you forgot Ghost Babel.
Sakurai got tricked by the noisy minority, silly guy. this is also why he will be tricked into putting fucking Geno in
>Sakurai also stated third party characters would "have to be a very special situation." How many "special situations" do we have now?
12 because all the third party characters added are special
>Sakurai also stated he wasn't making DLC for Smash 4.
>Was there not DLC for Smash 4?
That's a shit argument and sakurai never said smash 4 would have no dlc just like how he never said ridley would never be playable
nintendo picked a bunch of characters
sakurai chose 5 out of the characters he was given. retard.
Banjo is just a 1st-Party IP whose slot is long over-due. He should have been added in Melee as just Olimar got in Brawl and Inkling in Ultimate. Sakurai himself said that they are a natural inclusion and that the only reason they didn't happen sooner was because of Microsoft.
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Cope retard, Nintendogs and Brain Agehas outsold the majority of the first-party franchises in the game, including some third-parties too like your autism bear
>keks still seething that the Belmont Boys got in
ww@ BelmontCHADS?
>tricked
fan demand is still fan demand, no matter how small
>stevefag
stop being obsessed with that irrelevant faggot. I'm team Crash always, banjobitch.
and yet he's still in smash and your meme pick isn't. O h n o
i'm having fun man
Olimar shouldn't even be in Smash, he literally only got in because Miyamoto made the IP and Sakurai rarely rejects Miyamoto's creations since he's his supervisor and overhead.
>Nintendo game features Nintendo characters
>This somehow mandates non-Nintendo characters be included
???
Why isn't Wario in Uncharted????
I would gladly trade Bayo for Travis Touchdown, give Joker a mainline SMT alt ala Hero, add Doomguy and Rayman and call it a day
Thanks bro. Good luck to you too Genobro, and any hopes for characters you may have.
>third party characters added are special
Fuck off 3/4 of them aren’t special just iconic
>Fun fact: iconic =/= special
I also want Crash, but you're being an obsessed retard with Banjo.
Only one I disagree with is Joker since his game isn't on a Nintendo console, but otherwise the rest are all on point.
snake and sonic were almost going to be in melee so fuck off with this nintendo only shit
Yeah well as times gone on that’s slots become more undeserving...this will be ugly bear cunts last appearance...screencap this, cunts ;)!
He didn't pick any of them, Nintendo did. If I give you 10 pairs of shoes and say pick 5, I've already selected all your shoes for you. You're just choosing the 5 that you want to wear the least or not at all, you didn't get to choose the shoes you wanted to wear because I chose them for you.
I don't understand how you fucking morons can read
>This time the selection was made
>ENTIRELY
>BY
>NINTENDO
And come back with
>lolno, Sakurai picked 'em :3
How does that contradict what I said? Those things are both in Smash.
Only if you promise you'll stream your suicide when Banjo's in the next game
because people want them there dumb dumb
because people don't want him there, dumb dumb
Stevefags seething ITT, go back to discord
> Anyone who badmouths autism bear is a Stevefag
Imagine being this obsessed
>because people want them there
Literally no one wanted Joker
>Anyone who badmouths autism bear is a Stevefag
this but unironically
imagine being so obsessed with a character even after he's been confirmed for smash
>"I decide if we can create a fighter based on their selection, then come up with the plan."
meaning, he still picked the characters in the end.
my mate's most wanted picks were Joker and Banjo
i've lost two fucking bets with him now on who's getting in thanks to this shit
I wanted Joker.
sakurai wanted it
Who said that user
if nintendo did say goku, then sakurai is going by his rules and didn't choose him, what are you trying to prove?
>moving the goalposts
You said the 70 Nintendo characters mandated the 11 non-Nintendo characters, you said nothing about whether people wanted them or not.
>Look at this shit, why are there fucking 11 third-parties?
>because of the 70 first parties
Where does this say fans have to want them there? Who the fucked asked for Piranha Plant, ROB or Duck Hunt?
Joker: Sakura wanted him
Hero: Japan wanted him
Banjo: The West wanted him
No one asked them but they're loved because they're in specifically because they're very fun to play
fuck duck hunt though
i wanted duck hunt dog :(
No, I'd rather it be the gaming mugen than just an nintendo fighter
Plant is shit and is hated by many
Only if you stream yours when he’s cut. That way, it’s fair...one of us has to die. ;)
Only hated by seething grinchfags, like (You)
I wanted a Megami Tensei character if that counts. Didn't have any specific one in mind so I suppose Joker works.
Screenshotted your post, you screenshot mine, lets do this brother.
Nah, Plant is truly shit, bottom tier and waste of programing time
We could have had stuff like Excitebiker, but NOPE! Have this shitty meme plant nobody wanted because fuck you
It's not really hated but it's literally a meme. Past day one nobody used it anymore because it it's only value is "haha they put a regular enemy in le plant gang xd"
>Grinchfags STILL completely boiling at the mere mention of our plant overlord
Truly, the best character in Smash
Speak for yourself peasant
Street Fighter is the King of Crossovers. Smash needed it more than you think.
Kill yourself zoomerfaggot
>next game
Cut the cool ones and keep the lame ones. No thanks.
It's true. Plant posters are incapable of posting anything related to it that doesn't involve "salt" or making fun of another character. It and Inceniroar are literally the only characters on the roster that don't have a single genuine fan.
Source...OH...WHAT A PLEASANT SURPRISE...IT’S OBVIOUSLY YOUR FUCKING ASS!
Nope, they’re the only ones that are guaranteed mainstays, they’re the only ones smash needs. Easily represent Nintendo’s three major Japanese developer rivals...
>but muh Konami
See
Are you attempting to further prove his point?
Ultimately, with or without Piranha Pants, we got the better timeline than the Grinch. Instead of Shadow being the 3rd Sega character, we got a Shin Megami Tensei/Persona rep. Instead of getting a throwaway jrpg hero like Isaac, we got 4 heroes from the king of jrpgs. Additionally, we had Incineroar and Plant drop a bombshell on people while still being fun to play as, and we still have two characters left.
>you need a source to prove that a giant series like SF deserved to be in Smash
Really?
Metal Gear on the NES was one of the best selling games for the console.
> It's deserve to be in because it's popular
By that logic, GTA and FIFA should have reps too
> Metal Gear
> NES
MSX you retard, Kojima disowns the NES port and had nothing to do with it.
>implying that would be a bad thing
>By that logic, GTA and FIFA should have reps too
>Comparing a video game franchise with a franchise that makes Persona and MGS look tame as far as mature themes are concerned
and another one with real life people in it
>then sakurai is going by his rules and didn't choose him
He has no "rules" you blithering idiot, stop making up rules and regulations for the man when he's literally never said there are hard, concrete rules to who he picks for his fucking video game.
If Nintendo picked nothing but anime character, guess who's """"rule"""" is getting broken?
>NOJ wanted it
ftfy, crusty old Japanese men who have no idea what a Purse Owner Five is picked him because money in Japan.
Some early FIFA games had original characters newfag, do some research.
so by that logic we can expect a Souls character since it's popular in both regions
That would be cool though
I wasn't implying otherwise, the music would be great
If any anime character gets in it should be Joseph Joestar
Doesn't matter it's the same situation as dragonball
>so by that logic we can expect a Souls character since it's popular in both regions
>NOJ
>caring about anything that isn't Japan
He does have rules
No characters from non video game series
sakurai has said multiple times that goku spongebob and iron man aren't getting in. this is his only established rule
remember when smash was made by japanese people?
Simon, Mega Man, and Banjo are honorary Nintendo characters though.
Problem is that you get morons who bitch about Geno and Isacc not being in
Sakurai should just stop giving a fuck about if a character is well known to the West and put the characters he wants in there
>he should put the characters he wants in there
i guess Geno is in regardless, i can live with this
He's forever a costume
I 100% support the playstation associated characters being in because Sony sure as hell doesn't give a shit about them because it's part of their "embarrassing past" and at least Nintendo does.
you dont know that
Is Bamco not japanese all of sudden?
sakurai sperged non-stop over how much he loved persona 5
Ok boomer
From the sound of things, Microsoft was super chill about letting Banjo in. I think he's here to stay.
The only grinch character I cared about was banjo so I couldn't care less whether it was fake or not
a man can dream
They are literally making a FF7 remake now
Shitty Simon and ugly bear cunt are nowhere near as honorary as megaman though. You could easily cut shitty Simon and ugly bear cunt for most wanted first party with unique movesets and nobody would notice.
That’s this time, who’s to say things will change next time, you never know what’s going to happen.