Why is there so much implied hostility between Nintendo and Game Freak lately? Spin offs strictly mobile...

because they hate it, but also are greedy and don't want anyone else to make better pokemon games than them. which would be super easy, because the bar is really low.

If they allow a studio to make a DQ11, or Monolith-Soft quality game. They would not be able to meet that standard once they eventually do feel like making pokemon games again. So no, you will never see another studio make a main game.

Nobody gives a shit about anything Gamefreak makes that isn't Pokemon
Nobody can't name a single not Pokemon game Gamefreak from memory

Town is going to flop like everything else they have made that ain't Pokemon

That harmony knight game, that I specifically avoided.

Which is exactly why they're working to change that.

Imagine if your company was only known for one series. You'd hate it, regardless of how much money that one series makes. No creator likes being famous for only one of their creations.

They would go bankrupt by the end of the next decade without Pokemon. Everything else they made has been a commercial failure.

If they wanted to break out of being known as "the people who make Pokemon " they should make a game that doesn't look super generic like Town does.

>Game Freak doesn't to hand it over for obvious reasons, but they do want freedom to work on other games too

And they can't do both because they're only a small indie studio, please understand.

It's time for Nintendo and TPC to put Game Freak down for the good of the brand.

What happened with the mystery dungeon games?. Did the flop or someone up there just said nor more spinoffs?

Neither Game Freak nor Nintendo controls Pokemon, beyond development and publishing.

The one who's in charge is the guy in your pic. Ishihara controls everything Pokemon-related. All the marketing and merchandising is controlled by The Pokemon Company.

>we don't want to work on pokemon but we love easy cash
uh...

TPC is the one doing the most damage to the brand though.

pic related is the only jrpg that nintendo has ever made in-house with no help.
game freak is terrible, but there is no evidence that nintendo could do any better by themselves. i'd rather see pokemon go to a studio like atlus or falcom that specializes in making jrpgs.

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I was going to say Pulseman then I remembered no one cares about it plus it’s a Mega Man rip-off.

Yeah they probably would, if Nintendo agreed to a contract where gamefreak got the same percentage of money from it and Nintendo basically did it for free. Which would never happen so no

it's their only cash

Post the man who ruined pokemon.

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game freak can't even do pokemon right, yet they somehow think they're above pokemon now. they're a joke.

>ame Freak is probably experiencing fatigue from developing Pokemon games constantly
I'm pretty sure taking the existing code, doing the same thing over and over and just cash out will never get old
>Game Freak literally does not want to make Pokemon anymore because they're burnt out.
probably, but they don't have a single skill, the best pokemon games are made by other studios

As others said, they want to keep the free autism bux but they don't want to put in their manpower on it when they could instead spend it all on a game people only heard about because it's the game that resulted in an even worse Pokemon than usual.
I can vaguely guarantee that Town will flop fucking hard. The only other game I know GF has Developed was Yoshi's Island or some shit, and that was because someone on Youtube did that research and put it on a video. I don't think Town will do well at all considering there's reason to blame it for Pokemon managing to fuck up its first console game.

>implied hostility between Nintendo and Game Freak
I know all the bad news about SS, but I don't know what nintendo has to do with it. someone quickpill me

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>pokemon goes to atlus
>becomes a rail-roaded LIFE sim with garbage RPG elements
>pokemon goes to falcom
>becomes another case of trails shit with a localization time of 3 years each game

Fuck you. Pulseman is kino.

Gamefreak never gets any attention unless they fuck something up. I think it’s starting to break Masuda. Wouldn’t be surprised if these are their last Pokémon games as developers.

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Can't they just make their studio larger? Then have a team develop Pokemon and another team handle original projects? I'm sure they have the money to.

The issue with this is that Gamefreak is not a person, they're a group of over a hundred interchangeable people. There's no reason a new Pokemon game has to be made by people burnt out by making pokemon games for two decades, even if it's being made by Gamefreak. Let new staff who'd love to work on pokemon take over the series while the old guard pursue passion projects.

They can't, Gamefreak and TPC own Pokemon IP like they do, this whole thing is a cockshow, Gamefreak's sole income is Pokemon games, they hate pokemon alot, TPC is undermining gamefreak more by making their own Pokemon mobile title that's not GO or Battle Masters and Nintendo can't even get a word in because they're just publishers

>The only other game I know GF has Developed was Yoshi's Island or some shit, and that was because someone on Youtube did that research and put it on a video.
Clearly they didn't and neither did you.

I wish

Didn't people like Miitopia? I never got around to it but people said it was surprisingly good.

>The only other game I know GF has Developed was Yoshi's Island

It was a Yoshi puzzle game

They also made Mario & Wario, and they made Sega games like Magical Tarurūto-kun and Pulseman

plz

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I should've implied that the other games they made were no-name as fuck in comparison to Yoshi's Island, but it still stands that Yoshi is the only other game I've heard of that Gamefreak has made.

Can't they just subcontract out work, then? Instead of telling Nintendo "go bother someone else to make Pokemon," just hire out some other company to do all the heavy lifting, slap on their own character designs and put out another "Gamefreak presents" game? They kind of already do that with Creatures Inc.

It’s become obvious that Pokemon has become a merchandise brand, rather than a video game brand.
The games are half assed and rushed in order to meet a cycle of selling merch. After all, the only reason they’re the highest grossing media franchise is because of merchandising.
Both Nintendo and Gamefreak can go fuck themselves for turning Pokemon into a toy selling machine and putting the games second.

They have no reason to

youtube.com/watch?v=OYU51Gebx4w

Pokemon games are like Star Wars movies. The quality doesn't matter because they're just vehicles to sell the merchandise.

I hate this guy the most, the art direction change when he showed up has been a shitshow.

Drill Dozer

It was a toy selling machine from the fucking start, the games were never the driving force. Even back during "Pokemania", it was the toys, the cards, and the anime that everyone was crazy about, not the games.

>Armchair developer

What is he thinking about right this second?

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To be honest, the last time I had some amount of fun with Pokemon was Gen VI. Yeah it's not really the best game in the series but it was still fun enough for me despite pretty much being the easiest games in the series. Gen 7 just didn't do it for me with how many out of nowhere changes they made. on top of the literal ocean of unskippable cutscenes, and 8's looking even worse. Maybe I should go back to SoulSilver and BW2 again sometime to also help. But is there just no turning back at this point? Is the franchise just this fucked forever now?

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TPC doesn’t own shit. Look it up.
TPC is just a licensing management company that takes care of the Pokemon license.
Pokemon is owned by Nintendo, Gamefreak, and Creatures Inc. and there’s some speculation that Nintendo owns most of Creatures Inc. so they own more of the Pokemon brand than they let on.

>"i don't know any atlus games besides persona or any falcom games besides kiseki": the post
the funniest part is that if pokemon did turn into persona or kiseki, it would be a vastly better game than it is now.

>Let new staff who'd love to work on pokemon take over the series
new staff doesn't necessarily mean good staff
all those little mistakes you see in the animation that you guys love to point out is exactly the kind of stuff you get when dealing with fresh blood who suddenly have a deadline of a year or so to make a game. Not only that but they still need mentoring and training and that only comes from the old guard.

No because they need money user, how many times does this need to be said, they despise pokemon but they still need to pay their rent and eat.

Why does everyone talk about Masuda but never the guy who actually runs the franchise?

nintendoeverything.com/pokemon-ceo-on-the-series-early-days-and-rise-in-popularity-bringing-it-west-more/3/

>>Ishihara: The high quality and good identity from the beginning of Pokemon Red and Green without a doubt became a trigger to the entirety of Pokemon. And there must be a way to live as a conservative art, always coming back to the origin roots, and never breaking the tradition. Even so for these whole 20 years, I have been able to pour my wisdom and scheming, and also somewhat able to continue receiving support from everyone. I’d like to tackle the future for expanding the world of Pokemon; if there is a need to destroy something we’ll destroy it, and if something else is needed to be protected we’ll protect it.

He said it himself; if things need to be destroyed for Pokemon to continue, they'll be destroyed.

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They want to just make mainline Pokemon for mobile only for the easy cash. It's Nintendo stopping them.

>FUCKING SWITCH WHY DIDN'T YOU FLOP I WANTED TO DROP CONSOLES AND GO FULL ON PHONE SHIT

Exactly.
You can’t expect a company like Nintendo to put profits aside and focus of the video game aspect of the franchise. If they ever delay a game and skip a year in their cycle, merch sales would dropped drastically, and they don’t want that shit.

TPC is still its own company that operates independently. It exists because neither Nintendo, nor Game Freak, nor Creatures have the capability to manage Pokemon on their own.

TPC has more control over Pokemon than its parent companies do.

They're just publishers? You don't seem to know how it works.
TPC is a joint venture established by Gamefreak, Nintendo, and Creatures to manage the Pokemon brand. They each own 33% of the franchise/TPC.
It's often suspected that Nintendo also has majority ownership of Creatures, which if true would mean they are indirectly the true owners of the Pokemon brand. If push came to shove, Nintendo could probably dismantle TPC and cut Gamefreak out of the loop.

because masuda is the one making the decisions on the games.

>Is the franchise just this fucked forever now?
While technically the answer is "maybe not" since they could always choose to get their head out of their ass but it's better to just expect it to always be at least this level of shit.

I've heard a lot of good things about the Yokai Watch series and apparently it's a similar monster-catching game.

You got the wrong guy, Ishihara the president of Pokemon Company said that.
That's Tajiri, CEO of GameFreak, and since they make the mainline games, I doubt he'd want the money to be flowing into the mobile developers instead of GameFreak.

The games mean jack shit in the grand scheme of things, and Masuda still answers to Ishihara.

I guess I'm having trouble understanding why they wouldn't get the lion's share of any profits when contracting someone to do work for them. When Activision/EA/Unisoft contract out work to Chinese asset houses, those asset houses don't get those profits, they get some set fee. Why couldn't GameFreak do the same, just with a competent studio?

"So, do you hate me? I'm not surprised... If you do, I wouldn't blame you. So many shit sequels have come to pass. Whether they are poorly-made or canceled, so many franchises you love die. It's enough... to sap one's tears."

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>Iwata: When Gold and Silver proved so popular, the number of proposals for related products coming your way increased.

>Ishihara: Yes, and it wasn’t just in Japan. Product proposals flooded in from overseas too. Things gradually got out of hand until I thought that approving this volume of products simply wasn’t a job that a single person could cope with.

>Iwata: I think it was probably around that time, but I can remember that you wrote down a list of what was needed for Pokémon to continue.

>Ishihara: Is that right?

>Iwata: You wrote down things such as the necessity of the animated series continuing, releasing a movie every year, as well as the way in which the software titles should develop.

>Ishihara: Ah, yes. You’re right. I said that if we had a plan like this, we’d be able to continue.

>Iwata: It was at that point that you concluded that a new organisation would be necessary and you established The Pokémon Company.

>Ishihara: That’s right. At that time, Game Freak really had their hands full and wouldn’t have had the capacity to work on the next title. The necessity to properly gather together all of the strands of brand management and overseeing licensing led to the establishment of The Pokémon Company.

This man controls everything

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>do you understand how much money pokemon makes
but also would say
>game freak is a small indie company
pick one, nigger

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TPC is still a joint investment between the three, so you have to a assume Nintendo has some power over what they do, especially since Nintendo has investments over both Gamefreak and Creatures Inc.

Neither do the companies brought up I just want Ys to be good and Adol-only again and maybe a new Sorcerian.
Also, WHERE THE FUCK IS SMT5?!

TPC is literally run by the guy who gave Game Freak money when they were having financial problems during Gen 1's five year development cycle

because when the other studio inevitably does a better job they won't get it back

gold/silver and diamond/pearl got delayed and the franchise didn't go bankrupt. the real reason why the games are rushed out yearly now is because the backlash against the ds era (especially gen 5) sent the message that quality doesn't matter and effort won't be rewarded. most fans just want babby's first jrpg with KANTOOOOOOO every year, so that's exactly what game freak is giving them.
it doesn't help matters that the spinoffs always flopped. if stadium, ranger, mystery dungeon, etc. hadn't consistently sold like shit, they could have kept being made and bought game freak some extra time to polish each new generation as much as possible.

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If anyone but gamefreak made a Pokemon game no one would ever want a gamefreak made game again.

the games are the foundation for the rest of the franchise. no ne games = no new material for the merchandise, the anime, the movies, the manga, etc.

>It's often suspected that Nintendo also has majority ownership of Creatures,
Nah, it's actually only 10%. And TCPi is the managers of the brand, so they make the decisions regarding it. That's the reason for their whole existence. Nintendo is quite hands off, especially at this point.

oh yeah in case you didn't believe me on the 10%
marketwatch.com/story/nintendo-stock-a-sell-despite-huge-success-of-pokemon-go-2016-07-14
>while Nintendo owns a roughly 10% stake in Creatures, according to CSLA.

>Which is exactly why they're working to change that.
You can't get away with boycotting the biggest media franchise on earth under your own wing and expect to have any of your nameable employees come out clean.
Even if Town somehow comes out as fucking polished gold it'd be gutted, body bagged and chucked in to a river.

I’m just saying there’s nothing stopping Nintendo from putting their foot down when it comes to the games. They still are a very large presence in TPC. You can’t deny that. It’s just that Nintendo is in on the deal, they’re aware of the money making machine Pokemon is and doesn’t want to jeopardize that for quality, when quality isn’t needed to keep churning out merch.

Nintendo has been supporting Game Freak's laziness since Generation II. Hell -- The only Kanto made it in GSC was because Iwata was a goddamn coding wizard.

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Yes, cause we need more Tempo the Ass Elephant.

>not respecting Tembo the BAD ASS elephant

>gold/silver and diamond/pearl got delayed and the franchise didn't go bankrupt

Those delays happened early enough that the other parts of the franchise could make filler material to stall for time.

They don't have that kind of time right now because we're too close to release. The toys and cards are already made and ready to release in November. The anime is already produced and ready to air in November.

They've already moved on from Gen 7 and started production on the Gen 8 stuff, so it's too late to make Gen 7 filler now.

If you're gonna delay something, you have to delay it early enough that your franchise is able to adapt and survive. You can't just announce a delay 4 months before release.

>Gamefreak, we need you to make a pokemon for the switch, people are expecting one, make it good this time, people weren't that hot on your ultra sun/moon
>Nah, we don't really want to, here's shitty kanto remake that you'll have to try and pass off as a killer app
>God damn you, take this seriously, look at that negative reception, make a real one
>Ok, we'll cut the national dex, cut other features, and make it graphically on-par with a gamecube game
>you fuckers
Not that hard to figure out.

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That still puts them above Gamefreak in terms of ownership/investment.

This is all deeply ironic because Game Freak is a shitty developer and the concept of the Pokemon IP is the only reason why they're successful. If they made an original project it would almost certainly be shit, and it would still have FROM THE MAKERS OF POKEMON plastered all over it

KANTOOOOOOO in gen 2 really was the start of the downfall and we didn't even know it. it exposed game freak as the bethesda of japan, and it created a generation of entitled genwunners who expected every game to pander to them forever.

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There is none. Nintendo, doesn't give a shit about what, Gamefreak does as long as they make the Switch sells increase.

MORE LIKE CUNT-O

>Nah, it's actually only 10%
Any proof of that beyond the word of journalists, who are some of the most untrustworthy people in the world?

Their Town game is going to bomb beautifully, while the shoddily made Sword and Shield will sell 15 million easily.

I think having Kanto in Gen II at least made a little more sense because GSC was originally meant to be the finale of the series before money convinced them to keep going for many years to come. So it did make sense to connect both games for the ultimate ending. But yeah, I tend to avoid a lot of the Gen I stuff they just hand out for free in the modern games cause I just wanna enjoy the new stuff without all the pandering shoved down my throat.

>people weren't that hot on your ultra sun/moon

It sold over 8 million and became the highest selling "third version" game, so this is BS right off the bat

And LGPE sold over 10 million, so no, there was no "negative reception"

The whole point of journalism is to expose secrets and report on things that companies don't want reported. So it's likely true.

Stop, corporate fanfiction is all he has in his life. You're killing him.

>there was no "negative reception"
Do you not remember people being angry that the big pokemon unveil for the switch was a kanto remake mixed with pokemon go?

What baffles me is that Creatures Inc. takes care of all the modeling and animations for Pokemon, they did Pokemon Stadium and they modeled all of the Pokemon for the 3DS games (the future proof ones), yet Gamefreak doesn’t go to them for Sword and Shield, despite claiming that they remade all of the models.

Do you remember that outside of the angry autistic nerd bubble online? You will fail to find anger from the wider audience at that. It was just the dedicate angry fans, normies didn't give a shit because normies don't take this half as serious as people on internet boards do.

Money speaks louder than words.

No just the modeling I think

They make the animations too. Both the models and the animations are made using the reference sheets that Game Freak's artists provide.

Japan was the only place that saw a decline in sales for LGPE, which is not surprising because they have less kanto nostalgia.

Mystery dungeon was doing pretty good until gates
They sold about as well as third versions of mainline games tend to(granted third versions are incredibly cost efficient to pump out compared to the spin offs) but still hovering just below 6 million sales for rescue team and just over 6 for explorers isnt shabby

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Oh you meant pokemon animations, not attack animation.
Yeah, Creatures handles everything having to do with the pokemon themselves. Beside stats I guess.

>densetsu kusoge

Japan was also the only market to actually bash the game, while the rest gobbled it up like good little kids.

Fuck off weeb, you will never be Japanese

My guess? They saw very little if any at all of the profits from GO, which dwarfed the amount that the main games made, and their attempts to cash in with Let's Go weren't as successful as they'd have liked.
On top of this they're probably some internal pressure from Nintendo due to the National Dex backlash
And as other people have mentioned they seem like they're burnt out on the franchise and want to try other things
tl:dr they have no choice to but make Pokemon and Nintendo isn't satisfied with them despite raking in millions on their IP with Pokemon GO

to be fair, 5ch bashes everything

Because they know the second they let someone else make a mainline pokemon game they're done.
Gamefreak are incompetent. They know that if someone else, who is competent and actually has passion for pokemon, makes a pokemon game it would blow them out completely. People would see how little effort gamefreak have actually given for their flagship. And they'll never get to get back on their throne.

kanto was a shit ending, though. it's more of a boss rush than an actual region in gen 2.
it's also the reason why johto is so boring and doesn't have much of an identity of its own, because KANTOOOOO took resources and development time away from it. it's kind of the prototype for kalos, alola and galar in that regard.

the games weren't selling 15 million each, so they weren't good enough in the eyes of the decision makers.

>The whole point of journalism is to expose secrets and report on things that companies don't want reported
I'm under the impression that most journalists are incompetent at best or in bed with the people they're supposed to be exposing at worst.
With the few genuine journalists getting their careers destroyed, or possibly worse, for not bowing to those with money and power.

>No creator likes being famous for only one of their creations
This guy seems to be content with it.

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>Because they know the second they let someone else make a mainline pokemon game they're done.

Genius Sonority did it. Yet Game Freak absorbed most of their staff (that's where they got James Turner from), and let them as a shell only capable of making mobile games.

Any company that makes a better game than Game Freak will just get gutted and have all of its talented employees moved to Game Freak.

Let's GO was very successful though. It sold more than previous remakes (well not ORAS) at a 50% higher price. So it almost made as much profit as a new gen game.
Sword and Shield is probably where they might see losses. I doubt nintendo cares much, and TCPi only cares that Gamefreak releases the games on time and doesn't fuck up the merchandise/card/anime/everything else schedule.

>experiencing fatigue from developing Pokemon games constantly for the last 9 years
>tired of being forced to shit out Pokemon games every year
The Sonic Team slow death experience, classic.

>Game Freak wants to stop being forced to make Pokemon games
>but also dont want to give up that sweet Pokemon dish

These faggots cant have it both ways.

I mean a proper mainline, new generation type, pokemon game. Not a side game.

>over a hundred people
Don’t kid yourself

They've already solved their issue.

Out of their 143 employees, they've got half working on Sword & Shield and half working on Town.

That just seems like a blueprint to end up with two mediocre games instead of one decent one.

They literally have 143 employees, not counting

>Out of their 143 employees, they've got half working on Sword & Shield and half working on Town.
>solved
I'm having a hard time telling if you're using very subtle sarcasm.

He took a break to make some new manga just a few years ago and he does have some other stuff before berserk
Granted none of it is anywhere close to as popular

why would anyone even join Gamefreak for any reason other than to dev pokemon? that's literally just their fucking thing now. its like joining valve and expecting to make video games

you don't like drill dozer...?

They literally have 143 employees, not counting freelancers and contractors from other companies.

Sun & Moon for instance had over 500 people working on it, but only a very number of those were Game Freak's own staff

You say that but Gamefreak has always been a bunch of mediocre devs at best. Every Pokemon game past some of the understandable problems with Red/Blue has had technical issues that bafflingly went unresolved. Especially the 3DS games.

>300 lillies

it's because TPC is making a major push for mobile games after the success of Pokemon Go and are allocating fewer and fewer resources to GF for Pokemon Projects. TPC is going where they think the money is and main series entries aren't it so GF is getting pushed aside. It's why GF is putting more work into their unique IP than they are into SwSh. They know their relationship with the Pokemon franchise is on shaky ground so they're basically looking to build their own brand that they can rely on if they get pushed out and lose their share of the franchise.

Pokemon Masters is probably testing the waters, and that will definitely be a success.

Over 65% of Pokemon's revenue is from merchandise alone

The amount of money the games make is tiny in comparison. Hence why games aren't the priority.

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Tajiri never intended to stop after gen II. What kind of series has a finale as its second game anyways?

This. I wish they would focus on the anime and shows more. Ash sucks and it's time for more mature pokemon adventures like the mangas.

We already have 6 anime series, another one starting in November when the games come out, + Origins and Generations

Pokemon has enough fucking shows

GameFreak has always been a studio of lazy incompetents riding on the success of their super-autismo creator who hasn't actually had anything to do with the games since gold and silver

They're absolutely fucking petrified that Nintendo will wise up and take the license somehow and give it to a competent dev studio. They can't let anyone with any skill make any spin-offs because if Nintendo sees what a competent studio can do with the property they'll drop gamefreak in a hot second.

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Nintendo literally can't drop Game Freak because Game Freak owns just as much of the franchise as they do.

the only people made at gamefreak are people who dont play pokemon. sword and shield will sell well and will go down as the best selling game on switch

Game freak hates developing for nintendo since mobile costs less money and makes more daily.
It takes too much money to put it into a nintendo console where nintendo limits how much p2w stuff they can put in.

Why doesn't Disney lend all their IP's to random devs? Basically, a mix of greed, not wanting anyone else to touch the IP and because they don't want to either damage the brand if the game is bad or damaging themselves if the game is good.
If some other dev licensed the Pokemon IP and really did something amazing with it, and they would since they'd be careful with the IP, it only makes Gamefreak look bad in the process because they haven't been able to do that.

I doubt they've actually changed much in staff in the past decade

I still don’t know who owns Pokémon between Game Freak, Nintendo, and TPC

>The reason Sword and Shield look so bad is because Game Freak literally does not want to make Pokemon anymore because they're burnt out.
Yeah no, otherwise they would have put pokemon on hold for the time being.

There are a number of ways Nintendo could get gamefreak to give up development rights or at the least force them to play ball; mainly owing to the fact that Nintendo has bajillions of dollars and can easily continue merchandising the pokemon series without developing a new game, but gamefreak will absolutely go tits up if Nintendo isn't paying them to develop Pokemon titles

Game Freak, Nintendo, and Creatures all own equal portions of it. TPC is the company that manages the franchise.

>put their only source of income on hold
>when TCPi won't even let them

It's shared.
They each have 33%

>can easily continue merchandising the pokemon series without developing a new game

If you don't have a new game to introduce new characters and Pokemon to make merchandise of, sales will dry up

You can't make money off of the same characters forever

>kanto took away resources and development time
Thats not true at all, its because the coders were idiots and ran out of room. Kanto was added in because Iwata fixed their code and they didnt have time to design more, so they just added what they had available.

>If you don't have a new game to introduce new characters and Pokemon to make merchandise of, sales will dry up
Yeah that's why Pikachu and Anime merchandise has consistently sold the most for fucking decades

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The Pokemon Company is owned evenly between Gamefreak, Nintendo and Creatures. As far as I can tell they simply handle the branding, with Gamefreak being their exclusive developer, Nintendo the exclusive publisher and Creatures making merchandise.

BOAT

>You can't make money off of the same characters forever
Sales would slow down but you can ABSOLUTELY milk the sqme shit forever if it's popular enough
What I don't get is why Gamefreak never used their fat stacks of Pokemon cash to hire more if they're really so strapped for manpower

Gamefreak Nintendo and creatures equally own pokemon, however Pokemon has the rights to all of the characters from the show and games and all of the Pokemon designs. On top of that, Nintendo has a lot of ownership of creatures as well so in reality Nintendo defacto owns Pokemon. Gamefreak has no power.

Nintendo has the rights to all the characters and pokemon*

Pikachu is the mascot, and the anime does replace its main cast of characters and Pokemon (bar Ash, Pikachu, and Team Rocket) every generation.

>gamefreak
>fat stacks of pokemon cash
lol

more like Pokemon SHit and Pokemon ShoW

>You can't make money off of the same characters forever
Disney respectfully disagrees.

At this point this will end like an intervention: Nintendo, Creatures and even TPC gathering around GF and telling to let it go. GF will still see a lot of cash, but they won't let to have their baby taken away with them.

Of course this would happen if the quality of games affects the sales. But this is pokemon, so sales won't ever be a problem.

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>Gen VI
explain
now

Well everyone keeps saying they own a third of the franchise, so where's all that go? Unless people are lying on the internet.

Nintendo won't take away gamefreaks ability to make the games unless sales start to tank. Gamefreak have 33% ownership so things become a huge legal mess if they get pushed out.

>Gamefreak has no power.
Not really. Nintendo only has power of the console publishing. It's a private company and as far as I can find, not owned in any way by Nintendo, not even private shares. They're not even associated with anything that's mobile or trading cards or anything of the sort.
I'm sure if Nintendo wanted to, it'd be an easy fix to buy their way into full power but right now they're content with just being associated with Pokemon instead of having any real power over it.

I dunno, I guess I just didn't hate it like everyone else does on here. It's hard to explain, I just didn't mind it that much. But I completely understand some people's issues with it. I still think the previous ones were better if it means anything. I just didn't think it was the worst thing either. To be honest, it feels like Yea Forums almost memed Gen VI into being the worst thing in the whole franchise after Gen VII came out, at least from what I saw back in the day. Not really sure what else I can say on the matter.

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Owning a third of TCPi doesn't mean they get a third of all money that the franchise makes.

What you should understand is that management at Nintendo associated companies is filled to the brim with former Nintendo insiders. These people are absolutely loyal to Nintendo and will do what they want. If it became gamefreak vs Nintendo you would see Creatures and TPC immediately fall in Nintendos corner.

This

Pokemon is a "sellout" franchise, the games are made to sell merchandise

It's the quintessential "we need to make games to make money" and not "we need money to make games" franchise

Yes this is a massive mistake people make. The money is not gonna be divided evenly like that. It will be decided in contracts where gamefreak has much less power and will thus get a much worse deal. I doubt they're getting even 5% of Pokemon revenue.

noooope, wrong

to be honest the only thing I enjoyed out of Gen VI was VGC 2014
please give me more of that Gamefreak tyvm

I don't get the hate. Game had tons of QoL features, full 3D environment, full 3D battles (3D as in ACTUAL 3D too) everything was brand new, region was beautiful, exploring was fun. Negatives was that the story was pretty much gen 1 tier, and the game was pretty easy, but honestly it was the first time battling was dynamic and fun and not just a chore so I didn't even care. Game felt kinda more multiplayer focused.

Had some good pokemon too. Of special note, Sylveon and my favorite of all time Hawlucha.

Because they literally own a 3rd of the brand.

>These people are absolutely loyal to Nintendo
Oh yeah, I'm not disagreeing there. Obviously if Nintendo suggests something, the other associates listen, they basically all act like one company, but what I was arguing is that if Gamefreak had a stroke and decided to get away from Nintendo, they potentially could. Much in the same way that all Nintendo really has to do to get rid of Gamefreak is buy Creatures, which doesn't seem to be split in any way, meaning that 33% on the Pokemon Company suddenly jumps to a hostile takeover.

miitopia was amazing what the fuck are you talking about

>falcom
Subtle bait

GF is being attacked by fans and they are trying to save face.
They give zero fucks abput mainline Pokemon. They will probably close the games if the game undersells.
Spoilers: it won't because Pokefags are retarded.

What could Gamefreak do? They only have a contract to develop mainline games, right? But Nintendo owns the trademarks right?

So it'd have to be something like how when Marvelous left Natsume and Natsume kept the Harvest Moon trademark and they had to change to Story of Seasons.
Except with pokemon it wouldn't just be a name change since they own the designs too right? And Pokemon isn't Pokemon at all without, you know all the Pokemon, so what could GameFreak do?

I guess the contract is probably more complicated than that

game freak always wanted kanto in the game. what iwata did was fix their spaghetti code and remove all the bloat so that it could actually fit in a game boy cartridge. still, every moment anyone spent working on kanto is time that could have been better spent on expanding and fleshing out johto instead.

i liked miitopia. i'm not saying it's a bad game. i'm just saying that one game isn't enough of a sample size to prove that nintendo could do better. that's like arguing that game freak deserves to keep making the games forever because they made b2w2.

New staff might not be good, but old staff will absolutely not be good, as has been demonstrated time and time again for the last several years. I'll take the risk.

>I never played miitopia, le post
Miitopia is fucking amazing.

>But Nintendo owns the trademarks right?
Doesn't the Pokemon Company own everything? They simply license the several aspects of the brand to different companies. Gamefreak being the exclusive developer and Nintendo only serve as the exclusive console publishers. They're technically not involved in any other part of the brand.

Thats not even Tajiri.

see

Fuck gamefreak
www.pokemonswordandshield.com links to pornhub

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>Pokemon red, blue and green coding was a mess
>game was delayed several times
>Nintendo saved the original coding, make a fund to keep the franchise separated from their own to avoid tax issues
Not like game freak dont deserve credit, but their credit alone is Pokemon which is co owned. Nobody gives a fuck about gamefreak because since the beginning was nintendo and gameboy what made popular the franchise.

>their only source of income on hold
You do realise that pokemon goes well beyond the main games right?

>www.pokemonswordandshield.com
Holy shit

>Nintendo owns the Trademark; Nintendo, Game Freak, and Creatures hold the franchise copyright, and all three co-manage The Pokémon Company which manages the franchise and licensing. It was originally created by Satoshi Tajiri, with the first game(s) developed by Game Freak, and published by Nintendo.

And straight from the man themselves
pokemon.com/us/legal/
>Pokémon, Pokémon character names, Nintendo Switch, Nintendo 3DS, Nintendo DS, Wii, Wii U, and WiiWare are trademarks of Nintendo.

what did he do?

Yeah, all these hiatus can prove it lmao

I stand corrected then. Thanks.

Gamefreak is like a mentally ill person making art and Nintendos been acting like theyre not and it’s getting to the point where expectations of GF are too unrealistic.

Oh boy, can you tell the class which expectations are too unrealistic?