Why do some people call Zelda an action rpg?

>tfw a girl will never enthusiastically ask to see your dicc
What’s the point of living?

RPG means "Role Playing Game". You play the role of Link, as he saves Hyrule.

Zelda is so CUTE

Zelda is an action adventure series except for maybe 2 since it actually has xp and levelling

>stats you can choose to upgrade
>Armor you can choose and upgrade
>large selection of weapons
>dialogue options

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That would make any videogame with a protagonist an RPG.

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>Why yes, I do genuinely enjoy Afrobull's art, how could you tell?

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Good

Because the exact definition of what makes an RPG is so uncertain and contentious even among fans of the genre that you could expand it to include most video games.

>can’t refute my argument

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>Zelda is an action adventure game
I always considered it just an adventure game with some action elements. The combat in Zelda is usually just an afterthought, the focus is on exploration and puzzle solving. Even the mandatory boss fights are more about solving a puzzle. You can't attack them from the get-go, you have to figure out their pattern and apply the appropriate tool.

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Why?

Princess Zelda was genuinely born to be bred, mated, FUCKED by black men. From all standpoints this is correct. Her body is shaped like she was sculpted specifically to please fertile black bulls. Her flowing golden hair has a slight curl at the end, as if it beckons to be wrapped around a black man's knuckles while he makes her into a woman. Her bottom is soft and shapely, the cushioning plenty adequate for a pent up, powerful black bull to pound her into a creaking bed. Imagine all those years cooped up in the royal castle, never allowed to explore her femininity, all those nights spent fantasizing about what normal people do to each other. A regular dose of dick is not enough. A little elf cock like Link's can't make up properly for those years lost. Zelda's entire body, mind and soul are practically BEGGING to be bent over and dominated by a black man. Imagine her cute little ears flushing red and twitching in his hand as the black bull of her dreams goes balls deep inside her. No princess should be denied this kind of pleasure. You are legitimately a selfish person if you think Zelda shouldn't be allowed to seek out a black king to empty his balls inside her after everything she has been through.

>stats you can choose to upgrade
You are partially right on that. Most people can agree that stat management is a characteristic for most RPGs. You remind me of Sword of Mana for the SNES now that you mentioned it.
>Armor you can choose and upgrade
Zelda has that.
>large selection of weapons
Zelda has that.
>dialogue options
RPG’s started out incredibly linear in video games. You didn’t get idolize options unless you played table top ones.

...only in the extremely limited sense that there are not enough shrines to fully upgrade both health and stamina. That's the only character-based choice in the game. And you aren't even held to it, you can change your balance when ever you want.

Are musous ARPGs?
They have all the basic qualities of RPGs, don't they?

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They're more a "action game with rpg elements" sort of affair.

She looks like she sleeps around with Hylian guys

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A game is a computer RPG if it features player-driven development of a persistent character or characters via the making of consequential choices. The Legend of Zelda does not have that at all, not even Zelda II. The Legend of Zelda should be better classified as an Action/Adventure game.

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Hylian men are for Zora females only

That’s a child user. Literally a child ingame.

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>471326667
By seeing your obvious reddit post.

I'm only here for Zelda ass pics

ass is literally way too big for that body

This. Even if a game has stats and upgrades, it doesn't matter when you can just grab some new equipment or if there is only one way to upgrade a certain thing. The stats and choices having permanent consequences is what makes it an RPG.

i'm here to provide

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and not coincidentally, a world map with multiple towns that actually feels like a world and not just a theme park like every other Zelda game.

There is a traditional Zelda action RPG. It’s Skyrim for the Switch.

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Why do stupid people keep making threads on this board? The world may never know.

>But it's not an RPG unless you're referring to Zelda 2.
do you even know what RPG means?

xp and leveling =! rpg

it's like facsim and national-socialism
they don't HAVE to be put together into one government
but you'll never see a fascist government without natsoc

>A game is a computer RPG if it features player-driven development of a persistent character or characters via the making of consequential choices.
yes just don't get too fucking hung up on the "consequential choices" part. This trips up lots of roleplay fags when it comes to distinguish RPGs from adventure games or action games with branching and consequential decisions.
RPGs are meant to feature tactical combat and simply being an ARPG in the first place makes a game less of a true RPG.

That is horrible Art user.

hey, where are you from?

because they have no idea what they are talking about

Good idea but unappealing art.

I hate subliterates

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Blessed images.

Is there more?

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None of those say anything about whether Zelda is an RPG or not.

Role-Playing Game. And as far as videogames are concerned, it refers to videogames with mechanics derived from Role-Playing Games.

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One might think that combat provides the unifying link. However, one would be wrong.

RPGs began as an outgrowth of tabletop strategy games—consequently, the genre inherited their laser-brained focus on dealing randomized damage to things. But only a select handful of RPGs, mostly relegated to the subgenre ghetto of “strategy RPGs,” still have something resembling the old grid-based, turn-based tactical affairs of their forbears. Indeed, some of the greatest gems of the genre feature real-time combat and free movement (like Morrrowind).

Meanwhile, RPGs have increasingly begun to copy from other genres for their combat systems. RPG battle systems now range from Diablo-style clickfests to Bejeweled-style puzzle minigame battles to over-the-shoulder shooter combat. And yet, all of them are still recognizably RPGs. Clearly, whatever RPG-ness is, it isn’t something that resides in any particular combat system now.

It actually bugs me that some people consider it a RPG. I know "HURR ON PAPER" but it's so far from the conventions of any traditional video game RPG that I don't see it.

I don't even know how it's an RPG on paper. Is it because it's a fantasy setting, with swords and dragons?

right, like zelda

a shame he takes so much in his drawings

What mechanics does Zelda take?

>You failed to spot check and was then blindsided by two fairies that caused your horse to freak out and you fall off your horse
>You wake up to find a imp playing with your ocarina who quickly tries to hide it behind his back.
What do you do /tg/...er I mean Yea Forums?

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Then define what makes a rpg

No. The setting doesn’t make a game an RPG.

No EXP. No levels. No points distribution. No classes. Nothing.
And you don't manipulate all of the mechanics through the above.

Then what even makes it an RPG on paper? I literally can't think of anything.

See

Things are always in a state of change. Call it whatever the fuck you want, nobody really cares.

Oldfag and nintendofag here his 40ies. In the olden days zeldas was called action-rpgs by magazines and shit. With emphasis on the action. rpgs was slow moving games where you took up the role as the party or the warrior and collected shit with loads of talking and circumspect with turns and resources.

The fucking hobby have expanded beyond what anyone could believe who grew up with it, we differentiate games. ALL games was an adventure unless its was racing or top down shooter or some shit like it.

Fuck, I could argue skyrim aint a rpg because no matter what you do youll always be the fucking Dragonborn. Not autistic enough to do that though and what would it gain me?

So just dont give a fuck. Games are a bunch of tropes and elements like everything else.

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Zelda 2 has xp and point distribution albeit very limited.

I quickly try catch one or both of the fairies in my bugnet if they're still close enough for this to be feasible.

And it's an RPG. The other games aren't.

Botw does have point distribution as well though and the spirit orbs essentially function as xp

There's my definition and then there's how people define it. By my definition, pretty much all JRPGs aren't RPGs, because:

1. You need to be able to create your own character, which at the very least means assigning their stats (Planescape: Torment).
2. You need to be able to talk through your character, i.e. have your own voice through dialogue options.
3. You need to be able to develop your character, and said development requires your input when it comes to defining your character's stats, skills, and so on.
4. For the purpose of the above, any development which is reversable doesn't count. So "my character uses swords" isn't an RPG mechanic if you aren't actually commiting (through stats) to that. Contrast with games like Baldur's Gate, which has weapon proficiencies.

I'm sure there are more stuff I can think of. But that's my personal definition. When it comes to what the population as a whole calls an RPG, then it is:

1. It needs to have stats.
2. It needs to have experience.

This is how we get shit like Symphony of the Night being called an "RPG" even though you do no roleplaying at all (no voice, no character development at the hands of the player).

Zelda 2's point distribution is so limited that if you classify it as an RPG than you'd also have to classify most action games released these days as RPGs

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Addendum. With todays standards, the only real rpg possible is pen and paper tabletop ones with a gm/dm and one or more players.

Everything on computers or consoles are games with x amount of rpg tropes.

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And that's a good thing

>clearly, whatever RPG-ness is, it isn’t something that resides in any particular combat system now.
It's all the various elements of the game built up around the tactical combat, of which making "consequential character decisions" is just one thing. It's also the general idea of doing that tactical combat in an open-ended manner in a fleshed-out alternate reality over the natural life of a character, and all the details that flow from that concept.
The main one is the world and setting. The vast majority of RPGs have a world that is designed to feel like an actual world with towns, cities, and politics. RPG worlds should feel like they exist (or could exist) apart from the game itself.

Basically, TBRPGs developed a host of traits. If you swap out ONLY the combat system and leave EVERYTHING (or most everything) else, it will still feel like an RPG. However, if you change fucking everything and retain just some vague sense of character growth and consequential decision-making, it's probably not.

>RPG battle systems now range from Diablo-style clickfests to Bejeweled-style puzzle minigame battles to over-the-shoulder shooter combat. And yet, all of them are still recognizably RPGs.
Maybe not. I will guess that some of those games only get away with being called RPG because marketing types have continued to just slap this label on anything they can in order to get more sales.

Zeldafags seething that zelda isnt a rpg

The term RPG didn't entail stat building and level ups for a good while, it still doesn't really make sense that it does. Classic Zelda's were a long form commitment for their time, the player comes back to a save file where they've named the protagonist (a role playing element) and garnered more health, equipment, and a lvl2 sword (an element in tune with games like FF and DQ), so it seemed like the best descriptor. The biggest difference was just the real time combat. The point of contention comes from Zelda not really having changed those aspects of its formula while time has changed the use of terms like RPG

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Their effects aren't permanent as you can remove and redistribute them at any time. You can't do that in Zelda II.

>didn't draw the trap from one piece with a giant bitch breaking dong
No he isn't.

People don't know what the word "rpg" means anymore.
I remember last time some zoomer complained on Yea Forums that they expected DIV OS2 to be more fun and not a visual novel/ slow because it was supposed to be a "rpg".

>The term RPG didn't entail stat building and level ups for a good while, it still doesn't really make sense that it does.
Yes it did.
At least, the modern use of the term as a game genre originated with D&D. Previous to D&D there was no "RPG genre." Anything called a "roleplaying game" before that was just people using the word "roleplay" to describe some game they'd come up with, like a drama club exercise or some interactive skit for schoolchildren to learn about manners, etc.

>By my definition, pretty much all JRPGs aren't RPGs, because:
So in other words your definition fails to include a massive swath of games that have long been unambiguously considered RPGs.
That is a major clue that your definition is misleading and wrong.

The whole point of a role-playing game is that you can be multiple persons. A game that locks you down into a specific character with specific skills and abilites cannot be a roleplaying game.

Final Fantasy IX is an action-adventure with RPG elements, nothing more, nothing less.

>So in other words your definition fails to include a massive swath of games that have long been unambiguously considered RPGs.
That's who you look at it.
The way I look at it is: my definition succeeds in excluding a massive swath of wannabe RPGs.

How can you look at Final Fantasy IX and say with a straight face it belongs to the same genre as Fallout?

>Final Fantasy IX
>action-adventure
>action

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I had a total brain fart there, it's just that action+adventure are ingrained in my head.

After that Gerudo comic Afro can do no wrong!

>RPG means stat increases
lol

You are way overly focused on character creation. Yes it is part of it, but not all.
>1. You need to be able to create your own character, which at the very least means assigning their stats
Incorrect. The important part is that a character can be defined with stats as a unique individual. Creating the character is not part of the requirement. Indeed the Dragonlance "DL-series" modules for D&D came with pre-created characters if you did not want to roll your own.
>2. You need to be able to talk through your character, i.e. have your own voice through dialogue options.
This doesn't work for videogames. Dialog trees are dumb 99% of the time and never effectively simulate human interaction like you can in a real tabletop RPG with a good GM. It's either a trite and annoying gameplay mechanic or its an awkward representation of human dialog. Both are bad and liking them means you are easily fooled.
>3. You need to be able to develop your character, and said development requires your input when it comes to defining your character's stats, skills, and so on.
This can be streamlined heavily and still be a valid RPG. Characters need to be able to grow and change, but the degree of input you have in the customization can vary. In some cases, stats and experience is all that is necessary, so long as the rest of the game is sufficiently structured like an RPG to be considered one.
>4. For the purpose of the above, any development which is reversable doesn't count
This is the only one I mostly agree with.

>This is how we get shit like Symphony of the Night being called an "RPG" even though you do no roleplaying at all
Unfortunately, you have taken the term "roleplay" too literally here. SOTN is not an RPG because it's mostly an action game with a sprinkling of RPG elements. Its world design is consistent with an action game, its side-scrolling action gameplay, etc.

So D&D was called a role playing game because of stat building?

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>How can you look at Final Fantasy IX and say with a straight face it belongs to the same genre as Fallout?
Because JRPG is a subgenre of RPG, just like dolphins are a subclass of whales. My definition of RPG is robust enough to both exclude games that were never seriously considered RPGs (like Zelda games and SOTN) but still include JRPGs.
If you say Fallout is a WRPG and Final Fantasy IX is a JRPG, people will get it. They are both different takes on the parent RPG genre.
>The way I look at it is: my definition succeeds in excluding a massive swath of wannabe RPGs.
Have fun as the lord of your own little linguistic kingdom but in the real world you should try to use language to communicate. This kind of arrogance guarantees fuckups.

Kill yourself, stepping stool

I want to suck out a creampie from Zelda!

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Fuck are you on about?

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Jesus Christ. Fucking best girl from BOTW right here.

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Is this implying Link's daughter with Riju or Gerudo tf?

Can someone explain why is afrobull such a huge cuck?
Going by his name, he's a nigger but only draw white cock, is he like spics who think that they're whites?

it was a part of it, yes. Basically:

1. You take a strategy wargame that's all about tactical combat. Units all have pre-defined stats and the game is about making decisions for these units on semi-abstract tactical battlefields.
2. "What if you applied these concepts to a dungeon crawling adventure?"
3. "What if you followed the same character from adventure to adventure over a single lifetime, until they died?"

I'm summarizing but virtually everything that makes up the modern RPG came from this line of thinking.

I knew a guy in USAF tech school that enjoyed doing that. He was one of those getto niggers that loved to brag about the bootys that enjoyed himself all the time. After he confessed doing that, everyone in our flight stayed away from him except for that one Mormon girl.

Gomabura > Afrocuck

That’s clearly TF since the guy in the right is the boots guy.

Based degenerate mormons

Link born as the Gerudo king would be great.

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You’re mistaken, Mipha is the best girl in botw

>this is your mind on BLACKED

how do i get my dick wet, Yea Forums?

Open secret too. Everybody knew it, and we couldn’t help but laugh behind their backs “who are fooling?”.

Good, now I can masturbate to it.

Just answer the question.
Since he's a nig, why drawing only white cocks?
If you were a artist, would you draw nig cocks? even though you're white?
I wouldn't, because I'm not a cuck.
Do blacks like him want to be white so much?

funny how the old eye designs have more SOUL

Are you people fucking retarded or something?

Link is like the most well known silent and zero-personality protag that you can name for the exact reason that they wanted you to roleplay as if you were the hero. Role play nigga, playing a role, inserting into the part.

Stats and shit only tend to define RPGs because obviously customizing what you can do makes the role playing more in-depth. But technically any game where you're supposed to imagine your own character or version of the character is a roleplaying game.

>what is forced perspective

yikes, too nuch buzzwords

your problem is you're assuming he's back based on a name

Mipha is a very, very very, very close second but the blue lips assume direct control over my cock

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>old eye designs have more SOUL
That's called nostalgia, kiddo.

Ok but if that is the case why doesn't it let me change link's hairstyle and color. That's all i ask for.

>Have Gerudo childhood friend that wishes that you will fulfill your king’s duty with her for the continuation of your line.
>Destiny says “LoL! Link is Zelda’s true love” and snatches him away from her.
>Gerudo childhood friend is a female Ganondorf

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Plus not being dead helps.

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So you confirm that he's a cuck?

Why calling yourself "afrobull" then?
Wouldn't it be racist to call yourself like that without having nigger ancestry?

man, ban only ever draws the same chick. Doesn't matter what species or gender. It's always the same exact face and body.

I wish i was next to you irl so i could donkey punch your ass into shutting the fuck up. Goddamn, how do do you manage to be more annoying than the average Yea Forums poster?

I fucking love his futa works.

you just outed yourself as a newfag, congrats.

Anyone who was on Yea Forums around the time /vp/ was created knows what afrobull is

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>Anyone who was on Yea Forums around the time /vp/ was created knows what afrobull is
Enlight me

What must be done for the Zelda character to ever be as downright lovable as she was in SPirit Tracks again. Even if she's playable in BotW 2, that Zelda is still naturally unappealing and poorly voiced

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Despite his name he’s not an NTRfag or anything. He draws futa though but thankfully those are mostly variant images.

The point is to lure Anons in with delusions of lewd to get more people posting in the thread. It's actually super effective.

kek

>Despite his name he’s not an NTRfag or anything. He draws futa though but thankfully those are mostly variant images.
If he's white, why calling himself "afrobull"?
That sound pretty racist when a white man using a nigger name

name 1 black man named "afro" or "bull"

hello is this the virgin thread?

That’s the only way to get people to respond. I would right a miniature essay about valid video game topic, but it would be archived with zero replies user.

based ignorant zoomer

correction
>jrpg