Possesses an army of robots that are more combat effective than any opposing force in the region

>his entire grasp on the strip and source of power is his technological superiority over every other regional power
>WHY DOES HE WANT TO COMPLETELY ELIMINATE THE ONE GROUP THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO CHALLENGE HIS TECHNICAL SUPREMACY????????

I get this is probably a troll post but just think about it for like a minute. Aside from benny there isn't a single person in/around vegas that has the ability to deal with what house is doing tech wise, except the brotherhood of steel. All it would take is one crafty scribe to figure out his setup, or how to hack his securitrons, and all of his work would be for naught, and end up in the hands of fanatic technophiles. Sure it would probably take the brotherhood a while to get into his shit, but it is a risk that house clearly cannot afford and as such its obvious why he would want them gone

What? They just pissed off House at some point. It's fairly obvious since it's one of the few times he becomes emotional instead of all logic.
You don't piss off house.

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this isnt fo4
>What the FUCK was Obsidian thinking?
they were thinking "oh shit, we don't have enough time to add everything we want to because bethesda is rushing us, i guess lets cut the appeasement route for House and BoS with some other stuff"
its cut content

FUCK MR. HOUSE

If you don't see why house or any of the other factions would want to deal with/destroy the brotherhood I don't think you played the game. If you think the BoS are the "bad guys", I also dont think you played the game.

Based Yes Man poster.

The first thing the BoS has you do in 1 is go on a mission that you are expected to die from

It was idiotic to have a character like him. His calculation thing is actually universe breaking i don't know how obsidian let that in to the game

Are you stupid? Do you not understand what the Brotherhood of Steel is about and what their goals are?
Did you only play Bethesda's shitty fanfiction that completely misrepresents the Brotherhood?

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They would have to do all that before House defeats the Legion and kicks out the NCR, which is practically impossible. Afterwards it's simply a matter a sieging the Hidden Valley. It's seriously unreasonable to think this tiny chapter that is now cut-off from the outside world could develop tech/weaponry that could annihilate the securitron army. Especially in the short-term, they're a non-issue, and they'd be long out of breath before the long-term arrives. For a man that up until this point has a highly logical sequence to achieve his goals, this one sticks out as highly illogical, and betrays the reality of the character.

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The Brotherhood of Steel were a bunch of losers and they deserved everything they got, and then some.

Blew up their stupid base and then Veronica joined them in hell.

Hence "yet cold"
They shouldn't let any bozo into their group, only the best of the best

because he crafts an interesting narrative about the idea of a benevolent dictator, and his status as a pre-war guy who is still around elevates the status of new vegas since he knows what it was like before the bombs, as opposed to if it was some guy LARPing like all of the casino heads

he also allows for the player control route, in that you take his path, remove him, and give the player more control over what they want to do for a true neutral option that is good for both gameplay and representing the sort of chaotic nature of independent vegas

Cold is saying "no"
Malevolent is tricking you into killing yourself

It's even worse in FO4. The hardline approach that Maxson takes against synths, and the decision to nuke the Institute rather than take out its leadership and salvage the valuable tech seemed very poorly written and out of character for the BoS

>"We must preserve ALL the technology! Only the Brotherhood of Steel should have this!!!"
"Hey, this water irrigation system is really doing wonders for our crops. The wasteland isn't so harsh after al-"
>THAT SAVAGE HAS TECHNOLOGY!!! ANNIHILATE HIM!!!"
How can one faction be so autistic?

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today they're irrigating crops, tomorrow launching nukes

or something

There's a fully voiced option in the game that allows you to tell him that the Brotherhood are friendly to you and that they won't make a fuss for the time being which he'll accept instead of destroying the bunket. It was intentionally dummied out before release because the writers didn't want House to be such a perfect neutral good option.

I fucking hate the BoS quests regardless of how you do it. One of the most boring quests

The Brotherhood of Steel has been pretty shit after Fallout 1, and Bethesda fucked them up even more by turning them into catch-phrase spouting retards like they are a faction from The Elder Scrolls. To them, death will be a mercy.

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user, one of them got so assblasted over losing that he decided he wanted to genocide the whole Mojave.

Them willing to join the NCR was a fluke out of desperation. They second they would see what's House is up to they would go full autistic screeching and try to pull who fucking knows what.

also this makes no sense because it's pointed out several times that the Brotherhood doesn't care about tech that isn't directly related to killing people. They would literally walk straight past the guy using an advanced water irrigation system to shoot the guy who found a half-wasted energy cell in the bottom of an irradiated mine shaft.

Honestly, thats probably exactly when the BoS might try something. They have scouts monitoring the NCRs proceedings and will probably be aware of the second battle of hoover dam taking place. Assuming the player has installed their communications tech onto black mountain, they may radio out some intel back west or even to the east.

In any event, all the instances House has made an error or has failed, it always involved human agents. He must be wary of that and simply wants them gone as a variable. Yeah he could storm hidden valley but until he builds factories that can build more robots, his army remains precious.

The BoS are only the "bad guys' because of a war with NCR that happened off screen.
I hate how fucking obsidiots will mindlessly spout "ZOMG BOS WAS ALWAYS BAD!1!1!" because they think FNV in any way correctly represents fallout lore

Wasn't there going to be an option where you could convince him to spare the BoS after alying with them?

In, one they are not loving in the slightest, they want control of tech through force if needed and the mutant army poses a threat to everybody including themselves so that's why they fight them.
Their actions are very self interested and show clear disregard for the lives of non Brotherhood civilians regularly sending them to their deaths for shits and giggles, letting them fend for themselves against raiders, deathclaws, etc, they help no one that doesn't benefit them, they couldn't care less.
In two, once again they are self interested and know they can't do it themselves so they seek out your help, mostly because they are losing the tech battle to the Enclave, the NCR is growing stronger and the rising Chinese in San Francisco are also posing a threat.
I haven't played through Tactics yet so I can't comment.
I completely disregard 3 because Bethesda are full of retards that only could understand the very superficial surface level concepts of Fallout, their thought process was probably along the lines of "the BoS kind of operates like an army and they have knights so they are the good guys XD!"
In NV they are the same group as in one or two, trying to get control of tech,self interested and only team up with someone else if it benefits them.
You clearly never understood them, did you even play the earlier games, talk to the scribes or read their database?

look what the courier was able to do by himself, now think about a brotherhood of scientists and soldiers.

Delusions of grandeur that is encouraged via a cult like and nepotistic belief system.

Say what you want about the Boomers but at least their paranoia is built around libertarian esc. freedom so they are actually okay with other people existing so long as they are mindful of borders. BoS entire philosophy is just "Fuck you, we're better then you" with no real power to back this philosophy up.

Fuck the niggerhood though.

It's okay you babies, they go back to being the helpful friendly rascalls that spout catch phrases and one-liners IN FALLOUT 76.

I think that's the most ironic screencap of FONV I've ever seen.

TECHNOLOGY BAD
VERTIBIRDS GOOD

>hasn't even played tactics
>lectures others about "real" fallout
you cant make this shit up, obsidiots are truly demented

How can one man be so based?

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Would you leave a thorn stuck in your side? Hes right to do so considering if they survive in a yes man ending they become little more then highway men, robbing every travelling merchant on the road to New Vegas. Why leave bandits roaming the most used route by customers and traders to you live?

That IS said, and then contradicted by the in-game event of BoS Paladins shooting up the Followers of the Apocalypse because Veronica might've shared her medical knowledge with them.

>obsidiots are truly demented
Where the fuck did you pull this out of? How did you come to this conclusion? God damn you are stupid.

>BoS are the loving
Stopped reading there.
They literally send you to a suicide mission as a joke in the first game. Even when they were the defacto good guys they were always cunts and I prefer this evolution of the BoS over Fallout 3 "Perfect faction that can do no wrong".

If Benny and his ratpack could disable and reprogram one securitron, the BoS could easily do the same on a larger scale if they ever recover. It's not unreasonable he'd want them out of the picture while they're still weak.

>save the wasteland from supermutant thread
>bad guys because they tested some yokel who wanted in
single digit IQ

>so they are actually okay with other people existing so long as they are mindful of borders
Per Pete:
>To restore the bomber, to fly the open skies in armored safety, raining high-explosive ordnance upon ignorant savages - this is our destiny!
Their plan is literally to fly around and bomb everything indiscriminately.

In Fallout 1 the easiest ending for the BoS is the one where they slowly start re-introducing technology to the other factions and stay out of politics in the interest of becoming a research powerhouse dedicated to restoring humanity to its previous status.

In 2 they were outright beneficial, though secretive and still isolationist, only helping the PC.

>>Fallout New Vegas: BOS ARE THE BAD GUYS XD
More like
>BoS is very paranoid about their safety after losing half their numbers to a superior power after they elected some nutcase as Elder who was more considered about old world ghosts then his fellow comrades
If you wanna make jokes about the BoS being "bad guys" lets talk about Fallout 4 and how Beth is so shit at writing that they just make them Nazis and call it a day.

They only help against The Master because he is actually a threat to them. If they were loving and caring they'd actually help people against the radiers, droughts, and everything else that makes live in the wastes miserable.

>REEEEEEEEEEE BOS MUST BE SUPERHEROES JUST LIKE IN THE ONLY FALLOUT I'VE PLAYED, FALLOUT 3
Back to the Smash thread with you.

To be fair, neither of the low level gate guards that gave you that mission expected you to actually do it, it was their way of telling you to fuck off. Those jerks aside, the rest of the BoS is self-centered, but hardly malevolent.

Who was in power when the NCR started a war with Brotherhood?

With the way they rant about how awesome Not-Emperor Maxson is, I always read them as more, "We want the 40K audience" than Nazis.

>faction has character development
>NO! I DON'T LIKE IT! THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE GOOD GUYS FOR EVER!!!!
Good G-d. What's wrong with your people? All of the factions change a considerable amount from Fallout 1 to New Vegas.

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I wish that Fallout had never changed hands and would have enjoyed the benefit of a consistent set of writers. The Brotherhood from FO1 and FO2 are nothing like the Brotherhood from 3 and beyond. People have tried to explain this as a difference between West Coast and East Coast factions, but it's still internally inconsistent when you compare the FO3 and FO4 Brotherhoods. It's such a mess

Midwest BoS went around enslaving and conscripting random tribes that weren't interested, and FO3 doesn't count, otherwise fine.

I genocide the Brotherhood of Cucks on every playthrough. What's the problem?

I don't think it was ever specified and I don't think it mattered.

>What the FUCK was Obsidian thinking?

Illustrating the biggest problem with supporting House. All the other faction leaders are, in some respect, limited by the infrastructure which surrounds them. They have responsibilities and limitations imposed on them and their desires. House has none of that. Supporting House means supporting his every childish tantrum and bitter grudge. It reinforces the fact that House is a tyrant, even if a somewhat benevolent one.

>if they ever recover
You'd need to employ some really strong mental gymnastics to explain how they'd achieve this, particularly in a post-House Mojave scenario. The Boomers are leaps and bounds a stronger regional player than the BoS at this stage. Don't forget that before you arrive, they got severely beaten by the NCR, lost their leader (Elijah), who was such an unorthodox figure in the chapter history that the man that succeeded him returned them to ultra-isloted hermits. The Mojave BoS is absolutely not a threat to House, and their shitty leadership likely means they wont become one in the future (by which time House could easily route them anyway).

The Brotherhood int he Mojave were a bunch of retards anyway. Killing them and looting all their energy weapons is pretty based. Bonus points since you can get two birds with one stone and kill that annoying Dyke Veronica while you're at it since she's the easiest way to get inside the bunker.

3 babies are mad they aren't good goys

Well I remember it wasn't Tandi because the BoS/NCR allied to mop up the Enclave, so IIRC it was whoever was after her.

They didn't enslave, they made a deal. You got BoS protection and support in exchange for sending some of your dudes for recruit training. Midwest BoS could be a bit harsh, but even they drew the line at slaving.

>childish tantrum
>wanting the faggots who slaughter a entire outpost of followers on the off chance Veronica said something dead is bad
>the same faggots who become no better then power armored bandits robbing caravans of anything deemed too advanced from them
t. shitposting scribe.

there is no midwest BoS
their not canon

This

I wish that was true. The problem is House for 90% of the game is pretty chill and allows you to do whatever. In fact his demand to destroy the BoS was a last minute addition when the writers realized how so much better House is compared to other factions.

If New Vegas ever gets remade they should actually make House how you described. Where he has very specific demands on how he wants you to deal with factions and not doing things his way will have consequences.

He should be an annoying manager that constantly rides your ass for not following every instruction to the letter.

They don't owe the wasteland nor those that inhabit it jack shit.

The vehicle escort mission with the food, Macomb. You enslave everyone who survives.

Not very loving, is it

>BoS are loving
>Then why don't they help people suffering from the wasteland more
>They don't owe anyone shit

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Then I shouldn't feel bad about mass murdering them after they killed a bunch of followers of the apocalypse for no real good reason. BoS are a bunch of faggots. They only ever bother helping you when its to their benefit. Infact they only help you in Fallout 2 because they KNOW that the Enclave are better then them and outclass them in every fucking way.

The Mojave branch of the Brotherhood are basically a terrorist cell with better gear and a propensity for targeting tech like what House has.

House doesn't want the Legion or the NCR destroyed, maintaining a balance between them brings a political stability he finds desirable and he can always threaten to ally with one to placate the other. Also they're valued customers. The BOS just hang out in their underground bunker until it's time to murder people with laser rifles.

You don't have to agree with his solution but his assessment of them as a dangerous pest in need of irradiation is consistent with the rest of his views and methods.

Everyone's saying that they send you on a suicide mission without even warning you about the radiation, but they do. If you ask them where's the catch or what makes it so daunting they flat out stay it's an irradiated hell-hole. They expected you NOT to accept, they didn't send you in to die.

>BoS always helps the player because the player is the only one that can stop the big bad antagonist and the big bad antagonist is going to kill the BoS
>the BoS were always the good guys, guys! just like in Fallout 3!

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>BoS have always been a mostly neutral faction that only get involved in big picture/apocalyptic shit
>NV is just about factions just doing their typical warring shit
>Closest thing to apocalypse is Ulysses which nobody is aware off
>When they do BoS are one of the two that are appreciative of you for not using any nukes whatsoever
BoS have always been egotistical pricks. It's just they are pricks whose philosophy is about only getting involved when shit goes genocidal scale.

So of course that when we are in a time period where this isn't the case they seem like paranoid weirdo's. Add the fact that the whole idea is that without the Wasteland "needing" them they have only grown weaker and larger factions have overtaken only makes them more paranoid and thus creates a vicious cycle.

Nothing they do in NV is inconstant to how they always are.

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Cabbot's snarky about it, but he definitely warns the player of the danger.
>You have to go to the ruins of the Ancient Order. That's south of here. Uh, you've gotta go inside and bring back something that proves that you were there.}
>How will you know if it is from inside this place?
>This place is high tech. There's things inside like you've never seen before. Oh, uh, it's also radioactive. Aheh.

It's 2019 and House is STILL the best option in NV for both Vegas and the Courier.

Faction fame or infamy don't make any sense in Lonesome Road.
There's no conceivable way NCR or Legion could know you were the one that set off the nukes unless Ulysses told them. And the plot hole goes even deeper if you killed him in the fight.
LR is just a fucking mess.

because that is against the thematic concept of Fallout's retro-futurism that drooling retards from Bethesda do not understand.

Better safe than sorry

>Allowing tech-fetishists to commit thuggery because some random jack-off in the wasteland was carrying a laser pistol

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The Brotherhood's ideals will always be incompatible with House. To not eliminate them now when they're at their lowest in years would be foolhearty, the only other option would be a lengthy campaign to infiltrate the BoS and slowly bring their ideals in line with House, which would probably take decades.

If the BoS ever rose to a position of power again after House won the battle of Hoover Dam, it can be assured that they would remain a throne in his side and be far more difficult to excise after that fact. There's pretty much no situation in which the Brotherhood would ever tolerate House's existence and robotron army.

t. Benny

>seemed very poorly written and out of character for the BoS
They consider that technology to be an abomination

>to be an abomination
Now I'm getting Fallout 3 flashbacks.

I bombed them both on my first playthrough thinking there's no way it WOULD be found out I did it. Obsidiashit strikes again

I actually like how the proper Fallout timeline basically has the wasteland "Outgrow" the Brotherhood. In the first game they were a force to be reckoned with but they didn't adapt and now the world's left them behind. By NV they're actively struggling for relevance and have turned to some dark methods to maintain any kind of power. I don't think I can name another game franchise that allowed one of its more iconic elements to become narratively obsolete like that. It's ballsy.

By which I mean, bethesda are fucking idiots for just making them a powerful "Good guy" faction with no real thought behind it beyond "It's a Fallout game, we NEED the Brotherhood or how will they know?"

He explains it

youtube.com/watch?v=nBv3-VYR1lg

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To be fair, I'm still pretty pissed about them sending me on a suicide mission to an irradiated base without any more details in F1.

This. I always kill them all because their quests are a complete chore to do.

I always stop the bombs and use a mod to get the cool rifles that they were intended to be in OWB.
Ulysses is another one of those begin again loony toons. If you didn't blast his ass the second you saw him in his temple for being a fucking madman for trying to bomb everything then your playing the game wrong.

I completely agree with you and it's why I love NV.
Not to mention it makes sense both in-universe and just allowing more writing potential.

I faction that solely exists to be useful everytime the world is going to end is one that'll probably fizzle out sooner or later since how often is that something going to happen? Not to mention how that limits what stories you can tell.

I feel everyone's gotten so up in arms against 3's portrayal of the Brotherhood that they have gone far off in the opposite direction and think them worse than they really are.
At worst they're a bunch of techno-thugs and scavengers, but people also forget they've done much good for the wasteland as well, like in Fallout 1's ending. Their only problem is that the need of them has passed now that the wasteland is recovering.

Their war with the NCR was totally justified, by the time of New Vegas they're already set in their imperialistic ways, would you want THEM with the technology the Brotherhood has hidden from the wasteland? Think of what they, or the Legion would do with it.

Because synths were a fucking mistake, Literally just 3D printed humans with cyborg enhancements, It was just Bethesda's excuse to add slavery plot-elements.

>I feel everyone's gotten so up in arms against 3's portrayal of the Brotherhood that they have gone far off in the opposite direction
Because the people that hate them never looked into why Lyons changed the East BoS mission. They just wanted more of the same from the original games.

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Fallout 3 doesn't matter anymore. Fallout 4 ruined everything that was decent about Fallou 3's BoS.

The Pitt was really rad.
Fallout 3 should've just been about that honestly.

based

Most of Bethesda DLCs are better than the base game. Far Harbor should've been the base game in 4.

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I really liked the Pitt. It's moral choice was pretty on the nose, but effective none the less.

Lyons chapther should have never existed, it could have not existed.
He would have been shot in the head and dumped into the river if a missinon involving CROSSING THE UNITED STATES FOR NO APPRENT REASON was about to be compromised.

How about the midwestern chapter? They too ignore or outright changed a lot of their chapter's ideology. I don't think the BoS is as cut and dry as people say, people should take each chapter as their own thing, some have the better people, some the worse.

>CROSSING THE UNITED STATES FOR NO APPRENT REASON
They crossed the US to set up a permanent presence on the east coast to raid tech and kill muties

Midwestern chapter isn't cannon and doesn't exist.

Probably because the BoS are the only Mojave group capable of storming the Lucky 38 and killing him and fucking up his robot army, even if the possibility is remote House would rather play it safe

Who gives a damn what Bethesda said is or is not canon, I'd rather recognize them as canonical than anything Bethesda conjured up afterwards.
Besides, if we want to be pedantic, the pivotal elements of Tactics are totally canon. It's just the details and minor elements that are not recognized. Bethesda's own words.

I wish they would have extended on houses beef with the brotherhood more. He could have known about the existence and the size of the capitol wasteland BOS or the chapter out far west, or the Chicago chapter, hell possibly a large BOS chapter down in the south east. So just straight up daddy dicking the Mojave chapter before they got into contact with one of the larger chapters was the right choice for house. Better to wipe them before Vegas had an entire army of power armored soldiers knocking on their door while house was still setting up shop and trying to calm the locals down and patch things up with the NCR after he defeated them at the dam.

It is cannon. If you talk to that one guy on the prydwen in f04 he says the midwest chapter has an entire fleet of airships like the prydwen.

Saying the glow is simply radioactive is like saying the sun is hot. A random puddle that animals won't drink is radioactive, the glow is the equivalent of going into a nuclear power plant's reactor. It also ignores the absurd amount of defense the glow had; they killed at least two entire BoS patrols, and the only reason the PC has no issues is because of the previous BoS disabled most of the security, something Cabbot wouldn't know. As far as he's aware, he's sending in some nigger with leather armor and an smg into a place that would destroy anyone less than full power armor and a gauss rifle.

So what's the verdict? I know it can't really be summed up into "good or bad", but what are your thoughts on the Brotherhood and its various chapters? Do you find yourself generally siding for or against them?

The airship accident that created the Midwest is referenced in Fallout 3, NV, and 4.

I honestly think he just expected you not to accept. He sounds really surprised when you say to him you're still going.

Far harbour was the only good fo4 dlc

The BoS primarily sides with its own interests and the player character always being foriegn to them should respond the same way. They would understand temporary cooperation as a means to your own end, because it's their MO.

Automatron was good. Nuka-world was retarded. And the rest of them were ingame assets sold back to the player.

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I would imagine that he wanted to eventually de-age his real body. Going through the effort of making extremely human-like robots is unnecessary when he has a Mojave to control.

>Implies people who don't like this are babies
>Censors the word God

Casar says this
>Some of the Brotherhood scribes we captured further East didn't even know the name of their founder, Roger Maxson
Guess what's east of Legion territory?

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Sometimes, even really smart people do really dumb things. Nobody is perfect.

i just remembered that the bos in fo3 say "steel be with you"
christ

Destroy your enemy as soon as you can, no point fighting 3 fronts when you can erase BoS and go for the big guys later

He just hates the BoS, and for a fair reason given their technophilic/Luddite retardation.

Why wait to deal with an inevitable problem? Better now than after Vegas is open and attacks by the BoS can create bad publicity.

Be a super genius that creates a robot army that is the envy of the wastes.
The crux of his plan to control the wastes.

Meanwhile onthe East coast:

Some pre war jarhead creates a robot army that would tear houses army a new asshole out of spare parts and random shit.

Seriously why is the West coast lagging so hard?
East coast has restarted heavy industry and has flying aircraft carriers now.
C'mon man it is post post apocalyptic by now.

To add to this, it was mentioned, and it was hinted canon that the warrior destroyed the "AI" which lead to the midwest BoS to slowly die out, as per that ending in Tactics. So the existance of the midwest BoS is canon, but their presence may no longer exist beyond artifacts, the remnants melding in to the various tribal towns in the area.

This. House is smarter than you are, OP.

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East Coast stumbled on Liberty Prime allowing them to defeat the Enclave and push the holdouts out of Adams, where they could build an airship using Enclave tech.

Enclave has always been ahead, if not for LP they's have all that shit.

so the NCR building by the Boomer plane was owned by him then?

It's literally called the House Resort.

Camp Golf?

I believe it was his property, yes, if it wasn't a private residence to play golf then he was probably just a regular, advertised due to his fame.

because why would you murder potential customers?

>Fallout Tactics
>peace in wasteland
Midwest BoS is literally the most evil faction in the series. Offering "help" to towns in exchange for citizens to become recruits and eliminating those who refuse the offer, members can only use brutal force and are not allowed to ask questions, functional concentration camps, aggressive expansion and total control on the conquered territories - no independence for towns and tribes.

They're evil in the same way Caeser's Legion is. They provide stability and security to a region that was barely one step above Mad Max style chaos. With them around, you have to serve or tithe, but you don't have to worry about raiders raping and pillaging your little village anymore, which is something priceless for many folks who can't fight back.

Canon is not decided by an official, it's decided by the fact that a substantial amount of people use the canon material as canon. This is how it works with real life religion(where the word came from), and how it works in the case of fiction.

At least when you are under Caesars control you don't have to serve in army. Their soldiers are always slaves from conquered tribes so someone living in civilised town has nothing to worry about. On Midwest BoS territory if you are physically fit you are basically forced to volunteer to be recruit or your whole town/family will be slaughtered. Even if their armies work similarly on the first front line, living as a civilian is hundreds times better in Caesar's Legion territory.

The thing I hate the most about Fallout is the fact that civilization has done so little over the course of eighty years to two centuries. People can't even be bothered to move trash out of their homes into the empty wasteland no one is using, let alone care about thriving in the new wasteland(other than basically the NCR and House in NV).

Eh, that's the way that Caesar's Legion was supposed to be, but it's not the Legion we got. The Legion we got is basically just another Mad Max-style raider group, just with fairly advanced tactics and organization. Maybe, somewhere, they have nice caravan protections, but the best we hear about that is some rumors.

I don't think all able-bodied men are forced into conscription, but then again, we don't know the exact nature of the tithe, only that if you can't pay in goods, you pay in bodies. A dirt poor village that produces nothing worthwhile would be pretty much forced to provide the only resource they have, able-bodied men, while somewhere that's at least able to grow crops would probably be able to meet most or all of the tithe with goods.

Though whose to say said tithe isn't adjusted upwards in times of need for more recruits, and the recruits do seem to have a somewhat short lifespan for the most part...

That's because what we see in game is Legion's military and they are ruthless and kind of savage in their way of fighting. Living in towns under Legions control (not on the front lines) is peaceful but we would never see this in game because Vegas is the battlefield. Even besides that, every time someone mentions what it's like to live in Legion's territories they mention how safe it is even if they are not keen on the Legion. So despite that much of the faction's content was cut or unfinished we still can get enough information to deduct that living in towns under Caesar's control is even safer than living in NCR.

I understand that, but the intention was to have it so we *didn't* only see the Legion's military, there just wasn't time. So the tangible Legion we actually can deal with, the only thing we ever concretely see of them and can reliably work with involving them, shows them to essentially just be well-organized raiders with good tactics. There's basically no one who knows what it's like to live under the Legion that's not a Legion soldier(who would likely be literally crucified for making the Legion look bad, honest or not). Even if there are a few NPC's who say that there's not many raiders in Legion territory and that caravans can travel more safely, they've probably never been to Legion territory themselves and have no idea what other problems might exist in a territory ruled by a conglomerate of raiders under one charismatic, intelligent leader.

Mr House doesn’t even know where the Mojave chapter is. All he knows is that they’re in hiding, they have a serious army, they’re familiar with guerilla tactics, and they will oppose houses reign.

Dale Barton is one of the NPCs who says that and he is a trader who regularly works and travels on Legion territory. He also mentions that unlike traders in NCR he doesn't need to pay income taxes to be allowed to work.

One guy saying that it's easier for him to trade in the Legion tells us very little about what normal, everyday life in the Legion's territory is like, especially compared to life in and around Vegas and in the NCR, which we know much more about.

House is emotionally stable though.

considering how fucking garbage that faction is it's actually a very reasonable decision. What do the boomers and khans have in common? they aren't niggers. they dont steal and murder random people and pretend that they have some higher ideal. the PoS are like a pack of vultures set upon to mojave. i exterminate them and any NCR shits i see on every playthrough. they are niggers of the highest degree trampling over innocent people. the legion is the good antithesis to the garbage ncr and the followers of the apocalypse are the good antithesis of the garbage bos. FACTS.

BoS is just a savage tribe with laser weapons and power armor, and all tribes that do not join the NCR should be exterminated like the fucking rats that they are.
Fuck House.
Fuck the so called Son of Mars.
Fuck Joshua Graham.
And also fuck the NCR.
History will repeat it self, NCR is doomed to fail, but so is everyone else. The wasteland will be better for it, for now, and the courier will be long dead when the new world kills itself all over again.
Because war never changes.

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Unironically this. BoS are glorified TV-stealing porch monkeys. They do not create anything new, they're only exist to take and hoard.

based schizo poster

And also
Fuck Elijah
Fuck Dean Domino
Fuck God/Dog
Fuck the Think Tank
Fuck Mobius

I dunno, FO4 is a bit more true to form what with them wanting to sieze the Institute's tech and recognizing the hazard that a humanoid robot courser assassin would pose

>lets tell them to go to Chernobyl reactor core
>nah, we just need to tell them its irradiated, we dont need to tell them HOW irradiated

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>dumb meme that BoS in the original Fallout were bad guys

when will this die?

They cut the option to ally them due to it making House seem like the most 'Good guy' option
The files for it are still in the game.
nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/37729

They're not bad guys, but they're not good guys either. They recognize that their interests align with those of basically everyone else in the Wasteland when it comes to the Children of the Cathedral. That's why they help. They have their own issues and politics, just like everyone else.

The universe of Fallout is one where the transistor is never invented and thus all technology is vacuum tube based.

The "platinum chip" you are to bring to Mr house is literally the first computer chip which is why it upgrades the computer's capability to control more robots. Therefor he doesn't have the technology to create a robot in the likeness of people but only clunky vacuum tube bots.

Didn’t they just barely figure out the transistor and an alternate power source right before the bombs dropped? No bully pls, I have memory problems.

>the transistor is never invented
Actually it was invented, just a lot later in the timeline. The Platinum Chip was a unique piece of specialized hardware designed exclusively for House's personal systems but everything else you said is downright wrong.

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Yeah it was invented in 2077 and delivered to Mr House the day the bombs fell.

This is unfair though, if you aren't willing to accept the word of pretty much the only Legion citizen we can meet then you aren't open to listening.

Aa user said, the Legion we interact with is a faction at war; if you're going to extrapolate that to daily Legion life but shut down the other side of the coin then you're covering the full picture.

Plus, Raul says pretty much the same thing.

The Legion is strict, authoritarian, but safe

The NCR is free, but chaotic and corrupt.

That's the point of the two factions.

It's not unfair to acknowledge that one person's perspective isn't enough to understand a society on. I am willing to listen, there's just so little there. Yeah, one guy had a nice trading experience in Legion territory. Everyone else we meet from there is a soldier or a slave hauling giant backpacks uphill all day and being raped all night by the soldiers. The Legion is strict and authoritarian, but it is not safe. It's a threat to itself, there are no raiders because they all became soldiers. They still act like raiders. The point of *The Bull* and *The Bear* is to contrast the perspectives of people who gave up to the Wasteland(the Legion) and people who still had hope in the Old World(the NCR). I'm not saying the Legion is only comprised of soldiers in-universe, I'm saying that the only things we can reasonable say about the Legion are about its soldiers because we know basically nothing else about it.

i hate that well never be able to actually walk through legion territory towns

Yes, but as I said, he's the only source of information.

Do you have any reason to believe he's lying? To have anybody from Legion territory telling you otherwise?

If no, then there is no reason not to take his word based on the lack of confirming or conflicting information.

Plus there is Raul, who states something similar, and the scrapped Ulysses companion who would've been pro-Legion. So every Legion citizen/people who have been in Legion territory say it's not as the NCR fearmongers about.

No, but because he's a person, I have reason to believe that his experience isn't going to be the same as all of the other thousands of people in the Legion. With a sample size of one person, there's not a ton we can know. I don't doubt that he had an easy time trading in the Legion, and haven't said I do. I've said that the experience of one person isn't enough to judge an entire society by. I don't know Raul's experience in the Legion, but again, that's two people with civilian experience in the Legion. You can never truly know a society, but having a sample size of two people is going to give you basically nothing, while understanding the experiences of even a few hundred people(or tens in-game, for obvious scaling reasons) will give you a much clearer picture. I haven't mentioned anything about what the NCR claims about the Legion, I've only mentioned what we get to experience of the Legion first-hand, and even from people who are probably reliable like the two friends you've brought up.

Except the Legion isn't stable. In fact the only thing holding it together is Caesar, evidenced by the fact that it pretty much falls apart after he dies.

That and literally almost every person who can be described as knowledgeable about wasteland politics directly mentions that its unsunstainable, his ex-#2 included

It doesn't, this a stupid meme by NCR brainlets.

Caesar knows this is a risk, thus his desire to make Vegas his Rome; believe in Rome besides just the dictator.

Even in the worst Legion ending the worst is a power struggle, not immediate collapse.

Oh wow, the guy set on fire and kicked into a canyon for failing doubts the Legion, as do a handful of NCR supporters and a Super Mutant.

Game over. Ulysses is the honest take, if it can get past Caesar's death it'll be fine, which is what Caesar is working towards in NV.

you are a retard. as a person....nigger he isnt a real person he exists solely to be an exposition dump to tell you that the legion isnt hell because they scrapped the bits where you find out with your own eyes...fucking faggot

>Eastern BoS tries to attack the Strip after he killed the Mojave Chapter
>House takes over Liberty Prime since he still has the master key somewhere on his data banks
>New Vegas is impenetrable due to House having his Magnus Opus back
HOUSE ALWAYS WINS BABY

Do you like have an imagination or like enjoy having conversations that involve thinking about things or

My problem was doing the "independent route" trying to give the keys to Yes Man over to the NCR, so they could have a robot army to control. But at some point I hit the "if you keep going in this direction you'll be an enemy to the NCR" prompt.

As near as I can tell there's no option to independently secure then give the robots to the NCR. And there's no way for them to ask you to do it.

And why couldn't I install The King as the leader of New Vegas?

The King couldn't handle that.

He can lead on a small-scale with his charisma, even that has some difficulties, but he lacks the knowledge and pragmatism to be a wasteland leader.

I want to join the Enclave.

Same.

House makes a valid point about the Brotherhood of Steel giving no fucks about medical equipment (or anything that could be used to better the state of mankind), they just want to hoard all the super advanced weapons and will kill people to do it.

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>Fuck Mobius
Why though he was pretty based.
Almost as based as House honestly.

>Arkansas is just part of Texas
I'm fucking seething as an Arkansan.

He's a gentleman, saved the place from disaster and treated you as an associate.
I think he deserves the trust.

House is a meglomaniac, and a psychopath. He just wants them annihilated because they irritate him with his ethos. Not to mention, the condition of that chapter of the Brotherhood is probably only temporary. Like, there are other chapters, Lost Hills is probably going to send relief at some point and then they will be a force to be reckoned with.

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>Like, there are other chapters, Lost Hills is probably going to send relief at some point and then they will be a force to be reckoned with.
Not happening. Lost Hills is already at war with the NCR I find it highly unlikely that they will be in any state to send help.

It wasn't delivered to Mr House at all.

But BOS actually is evil, user
>Fallout 1-2. Did basically nothing, just used player to annihilate global threats.
>Fallout 3. Actually are paladins of light, cuz Bethesda writers are retards. So, local BOS is completely out of character.
>new Vegas. Would just sit on a bunch of tech, literally hostile to everyone, if not destroyed, would start raid trade routes.
> FO4. Basically Enclave 2.0

Same.

It's the only reason I downloaded New California.

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Lost Hills has been ass-raped by the NCR brah.

>I completely disregard 3 because Bethesda are full of retards that only could understand the very superficial surface level concepts of Fallout, their thought process was probably along the lines of "the BoS kind of operates like an army and they have knights so they are the good guys XD!"
Except they directly address that through Lyons' explicit renunciation of the original BoS mindset and the existence of Brotherhood "Outcasts"

>rogue AI fears technocult that would unplug/modify/cage his ass faster than you can say the words "Yes Man!"

It makes sense, what is the problem?

They literally did it because otherwise playtesters were too fucking stupid to not just go along with whatever House told them to do

By throwing a mildly controversial curveball at them it made players think about whatever it was they were supposed to be doing

>So, local BOS is completely out of character.
Not entirely, when you take into account the Lone Wanderer was the one who did most of the work for them.

It's also hinted several areas of the game (specifically Broken Steel) that Lyons isn't nearly as altruistic as he claims to be. He takes the Jefferson Memorial and their first course of action is to establish a means of control over the populace. Indeed -- by filling the power vacuum left by the Enclave, the people of D.C. just traded one tyrant for another. By 2287, it is implied the East Brotherhood run the land like feudal lords.

So they became the thing that they were supposed to be the whole time? What's the fucking complaint here?

>it is implied the East Brotherhood run the land like feudal lords
this is also implied if you take anything from fallout 4 seriously.

Well, there's the whole rest of the game, and the way Bethesda made them into catch-phrase spouting retards like a faction out of Skyrim.

So what does Lyons do with this control over the populous his group holds? Isn't it shown in FO4 that he stays true to his ideals and then Maxson takes over and goes WE OLD BOS NOW?

I don't know, cocksucker, I haven't played Fallout 3 in years and I will never touch Fallout 4.

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>trying to argue the plot of a game they can't even remember
this was the easiest BTFO-ing I've ever produced

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According to Maxson's biography in 4 (which was clearly written in his favor) he came to power after a series of failed Elders that succeeded Lyons and his daughter who both died under unknown circumstances. One popular theory is that the Brotherhood Outcasts and/or Lost Hills staged a coup and installed Arthur as some kind of godlike figure because of his lineage, but it's never really said either way.

That said, 4 has so many plot holes it practically runs on headcanon.

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Just because ghouls can and like to eat doesn't mean they have to. Not even trying to defend what happened in FO4, it's just a simple logical step.

There was a cut dialogue option (that you can mod in) where the Courier convinced him to leave the Brotherhood be.
I think they made him so rigid on the Brotherhood to give him a downside compared to the NCR.

>big point of Fallout 1's quest is that if the ghouls will die out if they have no drinking water in Necropolis
>sah dood, they dont relly need 2 eat da food-food!
Retard.

Only a fool underestimates his enemies, and House was no fool

I thought the issue was Bethesda contradicting it's own lore though? Or are we moving goalposts as usual?

>first playthrough of NV happened in june 2015
>second on exactly 2 years later down to the same day
>couldn''t play in june 2019 because of exams
Yet now Im getting the itch again.
Maybe this time I won't end up reenacting a cold pragmatic courier that sides with Yes Man for the third time.

Like he did with Benny? Or the Courier if they are so inclined?

>seemed very poorly written and out of character for the BoS
Everything was poorly written in Fallout 4 why are you surprised that they were too?

>take 2 rad-x
>The Glow is now perfectly safe
in-story I guess they were just trying to get you killed for some stupid reason, but it's not especially dangerous at all.

You didn't go down into the levels with the eyebots and the robo-brains?

I want to replay New Vegas [hardmode]
Quick, list all the essential mods.

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ihud

Raul whips out his D for Harambe

Look it up

Project Nevada core
JSawyer
Solid Project

STREAM IT

He probably just really hated the BoS, dawg.

Need neutral

I was gonna make a thread for it, but how good are energy weapons in NV?

BoS are fags who are detrimental to the mojave in every ending. They should be btfo'd

Good

The BoS see themselves as the sole controller of all technology and anyone else using fancy tech is a threat. Even for a small group they would still pose an issue to House. Actually keeping the BoS alive gives you an ending that they began to basically rob anyone of their technology regardless of who they are. That would put a major damper on House getting the supplies needed to further his work. Don't let Bethesda's "BoS are the heroes" version of them from FO3 fool you, the BoS think they're better than everyone else and would want nothing more than to control all technology. If anything they're a bigger threat than the NCR or the Legion since they can hit House harder via hacking his systems. The last thing a person who wants to restart his tech empire is a group of highly educated engineers, programmers and power armour wearing soldiers, wielding advanced weaponry that see themselves as the ones to control technology.

It literally makes perfect sense. He’s an immaculate perfectionist. They’re a huge uncontrolled variable that could seriously throw a wrench in his plans if left unaccounted for.

get that unique plasma rifle in repcon or how was it called hq, there, you have a good energy weapon lasting you for very long, get YCS-168 and you're set

Energy weapons a shit but holorifle with MC ammo is good

House is just afraid they'll confiscate his cryotank

Exactly. Literally everything he is is wrong to the BoS. Upon learning what he's doing, they would do everything in their power to sabotage him.

"The Brotherhood and the NCR in the Mojave Wasteland declared an official truce, despite continued hostilities between the two in the west. As per their agreement, the NCR handed over all suits of salvaged power armor and in return the Brotherhood helped patrol I-15 and Highway 95"

fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_endings

The problem with this is the BoS in NV never once mentions House off the top of my head. They seemed more concerned about fucking Hellios One and Internal shit than anything even when most of them had no idea why they were trying to defend it in the first place only Elijah knew that Hellios One was a super weapon. Even when you do Independent Vegas with upgraded Securitrons all they do is if they are around is harass travelers for Tech on I-15 (and maybe retake Helios I believe depending on whose elder). Up until the lockdown is ended all they think is the NCR is their biggest problem and still think they are being hunted. Boggles my mind why you couldn't tell house they cared more about NCR and the War back west and basically made House lay off as opposed to leveling a small chapter giving other BoS chapters an actual reason to attack House and view him as a threat.

Didn't house say that they only care about weapons?

What are the chanes of a mod that recreates New Vegas on the FO4 engine?

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Infinite ammo laser is nice for HC.

i hope the next fallout game will be more in tone of the older games with the retro futurism and the overall tone instead of the wacky wasteland that fallout 4 went towards

f4nv.com/faq.html

This will fail.
Especially now that Bethesda told them they aren't allowed to reuse voices from NV even if it required you to own NV.

>bawwww not allowed

Good luck banning a free mod, faggots

What are the modders going to do?

Continue working on the mod, nobody from Bethesda can visit your houses and smash the computers

they're redoing all of the voice lines which basically means the mod is never going to get done.

But I want to hear the original recorded dialogues.

>Brotherhood almost took Helios One
>Elijah by himself could potentially wipe out the Mojave(Dead Money secret ending)
>highly militarized and technologically advanced squads of elite capable and willing to do long distance solo missions against overwhelming odds
>"What can a few people or ONE person do?"
>House's entire plan depends on you, the Courier

Seems reasonable to me. Makes about as much sense as handling the Boomers. In the post-apocalypse any group of people that has its shit together long enough to reach tribe status or better is noteworthy. Anyone who begins to learn specialized skills and/or has better than scavenged weapons is really worth paying attention to.

The only real argument is that maybe this particular pocket of the BoS is too depressed and sad to bother anyone but that's pretty wishy-washy. It also gives House a bit of a neat little personality tic to dislike the BoS.

What's the problem OP, having trouble thinking of smart ideas for your daily "New Vegas actually BAD!" threads?

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No they won't.
The voiceover team works independently of the main staff.
Meanin that when the mod gets released (if it does), some parts of the game just be left without recorded dialogue if the voiceactors don't make it in time.

>they think FNV in any way correctly represents fallout lore

Is this that nu-nu-Yea Forums thing where contrarian retards start imagining things that aren't actually true as reality?

"These things that happened in this game developed under the IP holders aren't relevant lore."

Not indiscriminately. They want to just blow people up who try to attack them more efficiently.

Implying I'm not a techno hitler mowing everything down with a plasma rifle

Bos are based for the courier, they like cool guns, I also like cool guns

Blame Bethesda for being retards with the setting and shifting it ahead too much in 3. Fallout 2 was only what, a hundred years after the bombs? And you had modern city states, victorian technology, cars being repaired, etc.

Fallout 4 isn't canon bro

And it isn't fallout

>So, what does this chip do?
>WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST FUCKING ASK FROM ME, YOU LITTLE BITCH? I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW I SAVED THIS WHOLE GODDAMNED CITY FROM BECOMING A PARKING LOT, AND I AM INVOLVED WITH NUMEROUS CASINOS AND MOB FAMILIES, AND I HAVE OVER 300 ARMED ROBOTS. I AM TRAINED IN I.T. SYSTEMS AND I'M THE TOP POLITICAL FIGURE IN THE ENTIRE MOJAVE WASTELAND. YOU ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT JUST ANOTHER PAWN. I WILL WIPE YOU THE FUCK OUT WITH PRECISION THE LIKES OF WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE ON THIS EARTH, MARK MY FUCKING WORDS. YOU THINK YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH SAYING THAT SHIT TO ME IN MY CITY? THINK AGAIN, FUCKER. AS WE SPEAK I AM CONTACTING MY SECRET NETWORK OF ROBOTS ACROSS THE DESERT AND YOUR LOCATION IS BEING LOCKED ONTO RIGHT NOW SO YOU BETTER PREPARE FOR THE STORM, UPSTART. THE STORM THAT WIPES OUT THE PATHETIC LITTLE THING YOU CALL YOUR LIFE. YOU'RE FUCKING DEAD, KID. I CAN BE ANYWHERE, ANYTIME, AND I CAN KILL YOU IN OVER SEVEN HUNDRED WAYS, AND THAT'S JUST WITH MY BASE UNITS. NOT ONLY AM I EXTENSIVELY TRAINED IN SYSTEMS MANAGEMENT, BUT I HAVE ACCESS TO THE ENTIRE ARSENAL OF THE NCR AND I WILL USE IT TO ITS FULL EXTENT TO WIPE YOUR MISERABLE ASS OFF THE FACE OF THE WASTELAND, YOU LITTLE SHIT. IF ONLY YOU COULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT UNHOLY RETRIBUTION YOUR LITTLE "CLEVER" COMMENT WAS ABOUT TO BRING DOWN UPON YOU, MAYBE YOU WOULD HAVE HELD YOUR FUCKING TONGUE. BUT YOU COULDN'T, YOU DIDN'T, AND NOW YOU'RE PAYING THE PRICE, YOU GODDAMN IDIOT. I WILL SHIT FURY ALL OVER YOU AND YOU WILL DROWN IN IT. YOU'RE FUCKING DEAD, COURIER.

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>House route doesn't give you the 21 courier duster
Dumb as shit.

>There's these 2 large factions full of stupid people I want left alive so I can sell them things since they're too dumb or bureaucratic to ever be a true threat to me
>This smaller faction, on the other hand, is full of people that literally have the knowledge required to harness the power of an orbital laser, I want them wiped out of existence so such a thing never has a chance to happen
Makes sense to me lad.

There was a way to continue the mission without destroying them, but it was patched out.

This line is better than all of FO4 dialogue.

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You're alright user. Take some Mentats

>someone actually saved my OC from that thread

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House is brilliant but he isn't reasonable. He hates the BoS, it's as simple as that. There's nothing to argue because logic doesn't come into it, he hates them, go kill them.

My problem with the independent route was I couldn't tell the enclave remnants that we were there to shit on both the Legion and NCR. Being forced to tell them that I wanted to help either the NCR or the Legion was a dumb choice.

There's always idiots who think a Fallout game could be set completely outside the US.. despite that ruining a lot of what the series is about.

But you could still depict certain events (like say, in a dlc for a future game) as involving the outside world. The only question would be how the American Wasteland is involved. Is it the states going out into the wider world (like, maybe an NCR colonial expedition), or would the wider world be coming into the states? Which would you prefer?

Why don't they just do what TTW did and include a tool that automatically converts the audio from the original game?

Because Bethesda told them they can't.

is that a fucking nipple

All Bethesda said is that they can't include the original game audio in the mod. TTW uses a tool to convert it from your original install, Todd hasn't executed them yet.

Converting the files from the original install with a tool was what they wanted to do from the start.
And then Bethesda told them no.

You did a great job user. I am saving it too

YEEEAAAAH! Who won the lottery!? I DID!

*activates VATS*
heh nothin personnel kid

>bethesda doing everything it can to throttle and stamp out modding
I hope Bethesda continues on this downward spiral. I just want to see Todd brought to the absolute low. It'll be hilarious.

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If that were the case there's absolutely nothing Bethesda could do to them. TTW has been doing it for years and nothing happened.

>Do something good once in self-interest
>Will never do evil for self-interest

glad to hear it,here's another New Vegas oc thingy

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