In hindsight, maybe Dante should've just let Vergil retrieve their father's power. All he wanted to do with it was defeat Mundus so he can protect his family.
>Vergil wouldn't have been tortured for 20 years causing him to become even more unstable.
>Millions wouldn't have lost their lives to the Qliphoth as opposed the few thousand getto trash that died to the Temen ni gru.
>Nero possibly wouldn't have grown up an orphan.
the autismo didn't tell dante what he wanted to do with that power
Dante knows his brother doesn't like talking about his feelings. What else would he think Vergil was trying to do? He never talked about world domination. The only thing he hinted at was trying to protect something.
Reminder that Vergil
>destroyed an entire city
>twice
>and there are still apologists
>inb4 e-everyone was evacuated before DMC3
>What are you gonna do with all that power?
>I'm going to kill the demon emperor who murdered our mother
>oh
I acknowledged that people died to Temen Ni Gru. read the post again.
>well, uh, can we still...?
>of course
>*Vergil 3 fight begins*
I'm not talking about you specifically, but they will come.
>What are you gonna do with all that power?
>I'm going to kill the demon emperor who murdered our mother
>No, I want to defeat Mundus!
He didn't want a repeat of the chocolate cake incident.
>"what are you gonna do with all that power"
>"YOU'RE WASTING TIME REEEEEEEEEE"
vergil did everything wrong
this. both these guys are knuckleheads
Vergil didn't tell Dante because he wanted to protect his little bro.
DMC5 wasn't all that great, but I want to believe it's a stepping stone to something greater
First time he had Arkham do it so he shouldn't get all the blame.
He should've just let Vergil stay Mundus' little bitch instead of "killing" him.
I like Vergil
It's not like Dante would've listened. He never listens. V literally walks in with the same book Vergil read as a kid and Dante was still shocked when V turned out to be Vergil. Every time V tried to talk to Dante he woohoo'd off.
What are the best mods for dmc5?
I think Dante knew and that V even told him when he walked into the shop. Him not knowing at all until the end would make Dante and Trish the most amoeba brained retards imaginable, plus it works better for character building if the reason Dante's so pissed at Vergil at the end is because he was willing to give V a chance but he just ends up merging back anyway.
this one if it counts as a mod twitter.com
Why Gerbil?
Did you forget defeat after defeat line? He became demon bitch, wandering around hell for ten years.
Balrog announcer
>He became demon bitch, wandering around hell for ten years.
Are you suggesting that Vergil was being passed around hell as a demon cock sleeve this whole time?
Hope the mango clarifies that scene.
Virgil hates blacks
I think the "Was this your plan all along, V?" line confirms this.
>not putting those cute lips to good use
Look at this post and ask that again. You can't walk around hell with lips like that safely.
Yeah, everything points to Dante knowing from the start besides a couple of minor points that could easily be explained, like Dante saying he "realized something was off" to V's summons (he might just not have realized the summons were Nelo Angelo's thoughts) and him laughing off V's attempt to stab him through the head with Sparda (it would be incredibly dumb to brush that off when Dante's still not sure how much of Vergil is in V but then again the brothers skewering each other might as well be a greeting).
I think the most obvious evidence is Trish telling Dante "V told me everything" after the first SDT fight and Dante doesn't question it
If he knew then why did Dante let him go near Urizen?
I think he thought he was really going to kill him.
Because he knew V was the human side of Vergil attempting to atone for his sins so he was fine with letting his human form finish off his demon form and didn't understand what was going on until V started reciting poetry
If Dante didn't know, then you have an even bigger problem with him letting a rando walk up to the demon form of his brother to finish the job.
Even if Dante stole the glory of killing Mundus, Vergil could just steal the Mundus Boots quest rewards right out from under his brother.
Just like he did with Beowulf.
i shouldn't have laughed at this as hard as i did
Trish and Nico Lingerie costumes, V's My Little Pony jacket.
What kind of devil arm would Mundus drop?
>Mundus merges with yamato and becomes devil katana vergil
a sniper rifle
This.
He is the best figurine.
When will developers finally put hamster demons in DMC?
Its the 21st century. Its time.
I really don't want them to ruin Yamato like they did to the rebellion.
Mundus's Boxers.
Flaming Strawberry prints in a repeating pattern, with a flame particle effect. Lets Dante blast ass around the room, releasing a noxious cloud that gives passive damage over time to all nearby combatants.
Based.
I bet Vergil is a terrible kisser.
Had Vergil taken Sparda's power without embracing his humanity first he would have probably ended up taking Mundus' place after defeating him.
Yeah but he'd be better than Mundus at least, isn't Vergil's desire for power more of a "I want to be the strongest so nobody can fuck with me" instead of "I want to be the strongest so I can subjugate everyone" deal?
51 days and 28 minutes until the Tokyo Game Show in Chiba, Japan bros.
>terrible father
>terrible husband
>terrible mundus killer
>terrible mother protector
>terrible brother
>terrible at jokes/aliases/fashion
he's terrible at a lot of things
Vergil doesn't want power so he can rule. He's never said anything about wanting to rule, even as Urizen.
I'm reporting these posts.
>51 days until disappointment
What IS Vergil good at?
Jobbing?
Pleasuring old demons?
Dying?
Surely theyll announce some DLC costumes and gacha toys, at the very least.
>terrible father
Never got a chance to be a father to Nero.
>>terrible husband
He was never married, he had a one time fling with her.
>>terrible mundus killer
They said if it weren't for his fight with Dante he would've beaten Mundus.
>>terrible mother protector
He was 8 and wasn't even in the house.
>>terrible brother
They both are.
>>terrible at jokes/aliases/fashion
Maybe he's bad at aliases.
I wonder who could be behind this....
I would use Vergil for pleasure, if I had the chance and I'm not even a demon.
At first, sure, but power corrupts. Even if he didn't "lead" the demons, he would still rule them just by virtue of being the strongest. They would constantly try to overthrow him in the power struggle, not to mention Mundus wasn't the only one who wanted revenge against the Sparda bloodline. In a world of constant struggle, with no incentive to be righteous, he would eventually become a tyrant.
But then he wouldn't look like the qt dilf he is now.
>dying
even that he's bad at
Stop bullying!
Sometime I like think about alternate scenarios, like what if Dante defeated Arkham and was swinging Sparda like a new toy, much to Vergil's frustration
Hey now, no need to get so upset! there is one thing Vergil is good at, do you know what that is?
Jesus, why does Deadweight want this Deadbeat around, then?
What is he going to do in this game from now on if he's not screwing up?
No I don't, don't answer that question.
Killing people?
>This thread
Stylish cutscenes?
Because then they can gang up on Dante and bully him.
You see... there is one thing Vergil is good at, Vergil is good at getting bullied
Devil May Cry needs Time Travel.
Demon Lords from the present need to recruit troops from the past and send them to lay waste to the scions of Sparda, with Apocalyptic ramifications.
God, crying Vergil is so erotic.
That's it, user. I'm coming over there. I'll show you bullied.
Sure is.
Lucky bastard. I wish Dante would bully me for a bit. Some people dont know how good they have it.
Pfffffff, you'll never find me Vergil, just like how your mummy couldn't find you.
Yeah, I'm gonna need the rest of this, pronto.
No sexual bully!
YOU CANNOT KILL MEEE
Wait why is Vergil's theme playing outside my house?
Was there really anything stopping Dante from grabbing the Yamato again after he fell?
Vergil stuck a sword right through his hand when they fought on top of Temen ni Gru.
Like the papercut coulda stopped him from launching Virgin's maudlin ass back on the ledge
>No Dante, I am not long for this world
>Vergil no
>Farewell, Danteeee [slice]
>Oh no, my manicure. Guess Vergil's dead forever. Peace.
N I C E
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Thank you, user.
user, drop everything you are doing and cover yourself in chocolate ice cream. Dont question me man.
Just do it fast.
Did you really think he couldn't track you down?
user's getting a limb removed, soon.
Fuck off already we get it you are a nigger, you are worse than the faggot tomokoposter
Millions would still die, user, Vergil made it clear he would not do anything to prevent demons from skewering humans in the whole city and beyond. That is the demon way he was embracing at the time, you either have power or you die.
Getting your arm torn off by vergil would be an honor.
How do you know that Virgin wanted to use it to defeat Mundus? Where in the games is this stated?
Wrong. Vergil turned his back on any semblance of his family with the exception of his Father who he idolized and wanted to become. His resentment born from what he perceived as betrayal by his mother led to him rejecting his human half while Dante suffered from the exact opposite, embracing humanity while rejecting his demonic heritage. This should be obvious and yet people misinterpret even the most blatant narrative tropes like complete morons on the daily in regards to this series and it never ceases to bewilder me.
Do you tards need everything spelled out for you?
First thing he does is try to fight Mundus in the demon world that he purposely fell into.
Was this in a cutscene? I don't remember this
Its a secret ending you get when you defeat all the demons at the end with Dante.
He was most likely going to use Sparda's power to defeat Mundus, but that fight is not a good proof, cause Mundus came looking for Vergil, not the other way around.
Did Vergil even Idolize the guy? For all of his Sparda talk, he does the opposite of what Sparda did, yet failing to notice Dante gained power by unironically following his father's footsteps.
>it crashes every time
I curse my stars in bitter grief, etc. Thanks a lot anyways, user.
>but that fight is not a good proof, cause Mundus came looking for Vergil, not the other way around
What difference does it make? He still ran at Mundus trying to fight him, he knew he wasn't going to make it out anyways. Remember he wants to emulate his father and his father defeated Mundus.
Why did Dante even try to stop V before he stabbed Urinal?
That's too bad. I'm so sorry, user. :(
He doesn't want to emulate his father, he wants to be a powerful demon like his father once was, there's a difference. If anything, Dante emulates their father more.
And the point i was trying to make is that Vergil fighting Mundus in the epilogue is not a proof of his goals, it's a consequence of his actions.
Remember when a bunch of anons believed V was Mundus and called him Vdust? Remember how pissed they would get if you suggested that V was Vergil? Remember that?
>he wants to be a powerful demon like his father once was
In other words, he wants to emulate him.
This, he doesn't seem at all surprised to see Vergil at the end.
Yeah respects his father and wanted that power that Sparda had..the same one that defeated Mundus. Vergil challenges Mundus to a fight as soon as he enters the demon world, what other reason would he want to get stronger?
>he doesn't want to emulate his father he just wants to be like him
That's what emulate mean, dumbshit.
Sparda used his power to protect humans, Vergil doesn't care what happens to them, if they get all obliterated by demons or not.
I see too often people confusing Vergil being obsessed with Sparda's power with him trying to do everything Sparda did, when that is not the case.
>Remember how pissed they would get if you suggested that V was Vergil? Remember that?
To be completely fair, there is a lot of concept art and some dropped plot points that hinted at V being a Vergil clone by mundus, possibly Gilver from the novels.
It seems they created V as a character before defining exactly who he was going to be
Idiot, read this
Same vujos that went crazy after the reveal ?
Maybe, if that wasn't the issue. Vergil hates his humanity but and no strong emotions about humans in general. When he rose the tower, killing a few blocks, he wasn't concerned with their well being. Most people think he hates humans but he doesn't, he is completely detached from any strong emotions either way, that's according to the staff. However, he does have an attachment to his demon blood and if they want to be conquerors he will follow in suit.
Considering there is concept art of V as female, that just might be the case.
Oh fuck is this during those credits sequence fights? I always skipped those
Which game?
I thought he was Adam driver
>Which game?
DMC3
Concept art had Vergil as himself and then changed from Gilver to V. In the novel I think they changed Gilver into something Mundus made.
Itsuno says that he pretty much creates the gameplay before creating the story. So you are actually right. Itsuno wanted a summoner character and that's what he was before anything else.
There is more weird stuff
Nico has William Blake poetry tattooed on herself.
There was a theory going before launch that both her and V(Gilver) picked up on Blake from Nell.
>His resentment born from what he perceived as betrayal by his mother
He wanted to protect eva and her death was jumpstarted his muh power obsession.
Wasn't this concept art of female V also have some notes that say about female V being Nero's twin sister or something? It would have been interesting for sure.
Double wrong, Vergil wanted to avenge his mother because he blamed himself for being too weak to protect her.
Though part of him also thought she abandoned him. He thought both things at once, it's arguable which was the rationalization against the other.
Nero's little sister
How? Nico never met her and Gilver only saw her twice, one to buy her weapon and the other to kill.
>Nero's half-sister via kinky demon imprisonment sex
I remember this one "leak" going around that said that Nico's family took V in as a kid and he got all his tattoos to emulate her. Even though his tatts look nothing like hers.
>How could the story be different during pre-production?
user, please, dont be as dumb as Dante for a moment. Obviously that discussion happened several years ago at Capcom. Back then they could easily write so Nico actually knew Nell and maybe add a couple extra times Gilver met her.
*VRRMMMM* *SHNK* *SHNK*
Why didn't they make the game look and sound like this?
youtube.com
There is only one thing Vergil thought, mother was powerless and thus failed to protect her family and herself, so now that he was alone he must gather all the power to never be at demons' mercy again.
No resentment, it's just thinking power is the answer to everything, an old theme in fiction.
Because DMC isn’t a horror game, faggeroni. They rightfully stepped away from that since it was only ever a leftover from RE, same with all the shitty key items and backtracking.
>failed to protect her family
She didn't fail at protecting Dante and Vergil since they're both alive. Vergil wanted to protect eva so HE thought he was powerless, that why he admired Sparda's power.
You're an idiot, and DMC3 had a similar atmosphere to that video
It isn't horror anyways, Mission 2's beginning has a horror vibe to it with the demon shadow moving in the background, and mission 11 had you in a graveyard with blood dripping at the top
They did not ditch the horror vibe, they just failed at making it a consistent theme
Not only did no one come to save Vergil from demon attack and he survived solely thanks to demon genes, Vergil thought Dante was dead for years until they met again a year before Temen-ni-gru. You probably didn't read the manga that was prequel to DMC3.
There's no other concept art except different versions of Vergil. Female V was just the artist doing his own thing. I don't know if its from the same thread we saw femV but there was supposed to be nelo angelo splitting himself from vergil.
>Just like Dante, Vergil wanted to protect Eva, and also you can see his sense of reverence for his father Sparda. This is not merely a picture of polar opposites with Dante = Good and Vergil = Evil. Their love for their parents is the same, but the most important part of their father's legacy is for Dante, his soul, and for Vergil, his power. Sparda and Eva would have treated the brothers equally, but the fact that their mother was killed trying to protect her children was a turning point for the twins, and it seems that after that their lives were divided.
That's what I read from the side material
Gamescom is coming in august we might get something there
nah, we're getting Dragon's Dogma 2 in 2 years and DMC5SE a year after that
SE wouldn't be releasing that late though, it'll probably be late next year.
>Blaring buttrock in every stage
>Dante acting so cool that anything scary wouldn't stand a chance
Yeah nah
That's kinda what I said, because as a human she had no power to even defend herself against demon attack, let alone anyone else, Vergil saw it as his own humanity being a weight and tried to embrace the demon way.
Meanwhile Dante witnessed her effort despite the odds, and took the path of helping the weak.
Dante doesn't even remember Sparda, except some foggy memory of Vergil and him getting sword lessons, the fact he took Sparda's path of humanity's protector is result of other things, same with Vergil, who focused on Sparda's raw power.
The point is to give it a horror-like atmosphere to contrast Dante's behavior. 3's music was more fitting to that sort of thing than 4 or 5's, though 1's tracks were generally the best for it.
That's exactly how Dante acted in 1 retard, and would work because that's the essence of DMC, an action character that's isn't afraid of the horrors he is facing
Like Ash in the Evil Dead 1 and 3
>and DMC3 had a similar atmosphere to that video
No it didn’t. It literally begins with Dante kicking a jukebox, dancing and swinging on a stripper pole, and those levels prominently feature a clown who keeps threatening to give you a spanking. It’s not like that video at all, and even if it was it’s better off going for a fun, wacky vibe anyway. THAT is DMC, just because it deals with hell and demons doesn’t mean it has to be gloomy all the time.
do you think arkham ever spanked lady's butt as punishment while wearing the clown outfit haha
It actually started with a scene that seemed to show Dante getting killed before a weird guy entered his shop, created a bunch of tension, flipped his desk, then a bunch of demons suddenly impaled him. THEN Dante shrugged it off and had his action scene.
That's the point. You contrast the dark mood with Dante's brash attitude plus the weirder elements of the series.
DMC3 begins with a creepy dude talking to Dante and DMC1 starts with a crazy woman throwing a motorcycle at Dante and trying to kill who him, who he agrees to help afterwards, and Dante doesnt swing in a stripper pole in cutscene that's just gameplay that he does with any pole in the game, and when you aren't fighting crazy demon characters, you have this dead city with blood all around, and a tower that demon worshippers build, and DMC3 was gloomy for most of the play time while in cutscenes and bosses it felt more lighthearted
I wrote that in my first post aren't we just writing the same thing lol
I don't know anymore, all I know is that Vergil doesn't resent anyone, merely just doesn't want to feel afraid again and in his opinion humanity can't give him that.
The only problem with this is that Dante's coat is darkened too. If the environment is darker, his jacket should pop more too, for a number of reasons.
>created a bunch of tension
HAHAHA, no. The series lost any tension it had after Dante took a sword through his chest and laughed it off.
Sorry, I can’t hear you over the sound of my demonic electric guitar created from the spirit of a titty demon. LET’S ROCK!
Someone give me some tips for King Cerberus in Bloody Palace with V. I've died to him twice already, the fucking room with the 3 Furies was easier than this.
Nevermind, I'll keep the app in case I ever get a new phone. Vergil's in the same app, right? I only see V in the icon and twitter link.
Why are you se dense? All I'm asking for is to have a nice atmosphere while still maintaining the wackiness, you know like 1 and 3 did
Agreed, it's just that I think some missions needed a better color palette that didn't consist of gray and beige with some red, and they can easily solve that problem since there's already a mod to make Dante's jacket vibrant
Make Dante's coat more vibrant. That's the only thing that needs changing in that mod. Also DMC1 and DMC2 costumes when?
Because 5 is better than 1 and 3.
You mean in terms atmosphere and art direction? Because you're wrong, but that's all just subjective stuff, I personally would want DMC to have it's essence intact, I also want the silly key items and a little of the backtracking back
Also, you say all of this as if DMC5 doesn’t literally take place in a city on the verge of destruction and overrun with demons. Why can you just enjoy DMC5 for what it is, with wacky demon hunters driving around in their portable home? Why does everything need to just be DMC1 and 3 again, as if you can’t just go and replay those games as much as you want? I like seeing these characters in an urban setting and I like the lighter tone, that dismal gothic shit gets boring after a while.
5 that borrows elements from DmC is better than 3 and 1? yikes.
Salvaged it. If you're making such an obvious joke, at least don't keep it straightforward.
It’s essence IS intact, you just want the series to blur together into a flavourless blob of the same old shit.
Would you eat it?
>Why can you just enjoy DMC5 for what it is, with wacky demon hunters driving around in their portable home? Why does everything need to just be DMC1 and 3 again
Lol, DMC can do whatever it wants, it can go as lighthearted as a disney movie if it wants, I'm not complaining, it's just me expressing how I would prefer it to be it's own unique vibe, an action horror vibe, because there aren't many games like that, and dont get me wrong I enjoy the wackiness and lightheartedness, I also would enjoy it more if the world was more grim and some times upbeat, instead of whatever Mission 9 and 11 were trying to do with it's tone
I didn't say the essence isn't intact, just that that user said he didn't want DMC to have a horror vibe at all, which I disagreed with and persisted that it is the essence of DMC and should not go anywhere
>Has rising dragon
>also has real impact
But like why? That directional input could've been used for something else
so what is the lore behind vergil liking to dance and shit?
It's in the Sparda blood
I think Eva probably danced a lot around Vergil and Dante.
He's so dreamy...
No homo though.
Do you think Eva was a dancer before meeting Sparda
Peak aesthetics that picture is.
If she had white/light-blonde hair it would elevate from a 9/10 to a 10/10.
Unironically what did he mean in pic related?
Dante answered all the questions he had in his mind, the reason he fights Vergil, and his demonic identity, all are in peace now and he can move on and face his shadow self
Thanks user, that particular scene has always left me wondering.
Dante with Morrison's clothes.
You have a screen with Faust equipped and that mod right?
Unfortunately not. I've been busy playing other games.
Actually I'll try blast through mission 12 now so I can get one. Once my controller connects.
Or not. HDD with the game on it disconnected. Sorry user.
dmcbros...
coat over shoulder costumes when
I really want Vergil to pull off the Itachi arm sling look
Quick faggits, what new moves do you think playable Vergil is gonna have?
>Lucia will appear in the new anime
I'm just wondering if he'll get new weapons
A button to turn into a T Rex.
What will his air taunt be?
>Millions wouldn't have lost their lives to the Qliphoth as
This happens anyway
Vergil should've kept the single arm scabbard.
What?
Vergil would have lost. It took Dante ten extra years of training and hunting demons before he could confront Mundus with the full power of Sparda, and even then he ultimately needed to seal Mundus with Trish' help. Vergil would have lacked those ten years and wouldn't have had any way to seal Mundus.
But what if they teamed up? Like Vergil asks Dante why he doesn't want power, they talk a bit and Dante actually decides to help his bro, how things would've been?