This game is bad, it did not age well

Did the game not age well, or did you not age well?

Yea Forums should just have an auto filter that adds the words "I think" to the beginning of every post on this board.

then every post would start with a lie

~I think you're right! Oops just bypassed your gay filter.

the game

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You should be doing that yourself dude. Unless someone says objectively they're stating their opinion.

True.
True.
True.

Nah, friend. Video games were better when they required you to apply yourself. Almost everything is braindead now.

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Hey look it's another thread by someone who thinks a game is bad because it doesn't hold your hand like a retard and doesn't give you gratification instantly.

Based.
>dice roll combat in a real time combat system
>people still say this is good

It is a bad game. It’s casual trash made with consoles in mind. Yea Forums only pretends it’s good because it’s babbys first “rpg”

that I can agree with you on.
Wheres the challenge? Wheres the part where I need to actually think?

>pic related
If you're specifically referring to Morrowind, I would say the challenge comes in that the game doesn't hold you hand and you have to figure out what you're supposed to do on your own. And It's not like the game is particularly easy at the start. It's not the same type of challenge as say, Ninja Gaiden, but it's the type of challenge wherein you're plopped into a foreign land and told to "make it work."

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works in might and magic 6, diablo, neverwinter, nights, baldur's gate

What's the point of it except making your opinions sound as facts?

>it works in all these other bad games
>this is my argument

all those games are better than whatever you are thinking in your head is superior

I think they're good games. Not him btw.

Daggerfall

>Fallout is bad
>XCOM is bad

Why? Or are you one of those faggots who goes around spouting "Uh, well that's just your opinion" every time you see a statement you don't agree with?

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> that the game doesn't hold your hand and you have to figure out what you're supposed to do on your own.

Honestly one of my favorite features of Morrowind

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>it did not age well
Anyone who has ever used this phrase is an absolute retard. Games don't "age" like fucking food or something. If people were able to enjoy something 20 years ago, it is still equally enjoyable now. If you don't like the game then you wouldn't have liked it on release either.

>diablo, neverwinter nights, baldur's gate
>bad games

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA

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>it did not age well.
This is a flawed argument because it assumes it was good on release.

Daggerfall is a massive, empty piece of shit. There is a good reason Morrowind downsized.

I'm thinking of Bejeweled and I still don't believe you.

>mentions turnbased games
>not even what people are talking about
Amazing how many people here can type but not read.

>no argument
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Are you saying a morrowind remaster/remake wouldn't do anything to improve the game? at all?

Not him but a lot of Yea Forums behaves as if they're opinion is objective, Stephen Hawking backed law of the universe.

cringe

I didn't see the real time part, just the diceroll part.

You're still a faggot for pretending Baldur's Gate is bad tho :^)

What does that have to do with Morrowind?
Morrowind had the least amount of challenge of any Bethesda game.

Unless you count dealing with the brutal start as a challenge. Once you get past that you are on easy street.

I feel bad for the younger generation born into a time so devoid of creativity that they piece together old stuff to make one of their own being robbed of any decent memories unique to their time.
of course you guys dont like our old shit.

The only TES game I played is Skyrim and I didn't like it. It was mostly because of the combat. I like what I hear of Morrowind, with the weird setting and all, but is the combat any better?

Amazed you have the balls to call anyone a faggot after proving you can't fucking read, retard.

morrowind is zoomercore
2002 is about as far back a zoomer will go for an old game

How do you make these nice little charts? Thanks

I proved I can read by reading y

The combat from Fallout is bad.
It was a poor implementation of a simplistic version of TB combat.

Reminder that the concept of “aging” of media is done by shillers of new products trying to compete with their influencers/betters.

Morrowind is still a Bethesda game, and needs a ton of mods to be classified as fantastic.
But the base game hidden under all the shit is really good and is worth playing once you spend a day or two throwing in mods to improve the jankiness.

>ITT: Another faggot who couldn't figure out Agility dictated to-hit chance

I mean, we've seen it all before. Everyone go home, thread's over.

You'll never understand these games retarded zoomer, don't even bother and stick to your current year dopamine dogshit

You are being willfully ignorant.
When it does not age well you know it means it is far from what would be considered acceptable by current standard.

Tetris has aged well. Morrowind has not.

>Having taste this fucking bad

Hooo boy. I can understand hating on Baldur's, cause it moves at a snails pace. But NWN and M&M 6? Nah dude. You just proved you have the worst fucking opinion, when it comes to vidya.

What? No. How did you even vaguely get that from my post? I didn't even talk about a remaster.

If Bethesda were to remake Morrowind they would probably make it conform to the gameplay of the Elder Scrolls 6, for better or for worse. People would be split on whether it was an improvement or not, like with most video game remakes. If all they did was upgrade the graphics then everyone who would have liked the original would still like it, and everyone who wouldn't like the original still would not like it. You can already install graphics mods for morrowind anyway, so I doubt "da grafix" are a significant reason why anyone doesnt like the game.

Why would I argue with someone who's so far gone? There's no point.

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based

Tetris is timeless

That is why Daggerfall is called timeless.
It is considered just as shitty today as the day it was released.

Not him but morrowind required you to actually use a minute amount of brainpower to follow instructions and navigate the world, instead of just following an arrow that tells you exactly where to go.

That's pretty much every Western RPG, friend.

When I was a kid, seeing "Find Caius Cosades in Balmora", having NO idea where the fuck Balmora was, and having to follow the roads, look for signs, and then find his fucking house in the town, all on my own with no google or message board to ask for help on? Easily one of my favorite RPG memories ever. It felt like an actual adventure.

>it did not age well

Here's a retard's guide to Morrowind, be sure to follow it to the T

HIGHER NUMBERS GOOD
LOWER NUMBERS BAD

Find Dwemer Puzzle Box next

Thanks for your blog post and opinion. What are some games you enjoy?

You can't argue with a moron who thinks their opinion is right. I will tell you though: You are in the minority, and you will be hard pressed to find anyone here who agrees any of those games are bad, and that makes you the outlier in this situation.

Morrowind started the corridor walkers.

kill yourself Zoomer fag

Aged in what way? The only legitimate critiziems of Morrowind's "age" are the copy pasted NPC dialogue, anything outside of that are the ramblings of person who cannot understand high numerical values = good.

I feel bad for the oldtimers who beta tested the industry for us.

You ate plate after plate of shit so we didn't have to.
Sadly many old timers were fed so much they have acquired a taste for it.

G8B8M8

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if it's good wouldn't it be a trough in the shitheap

>current standard
Who exactly sets this standard?

Are you saying that anything that doesn't conform to current industry norms (quest markers, on disc dlc, micro transactions, quick time events, online multiplayer, loot boxes etc) hasn't "aged well". That's retarded.

WOAH THATS TOO ADVANCED FOR MY SMALL ZOOMER BRAIN

I think I'll stick to skyrim and fortnite

MGS3, RE5, Halo 2,3, and Reach. Thanks for asking :)

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Wowza, you liking those games makes me think that (You) have the worst fucking taste in vidya. Amazing how the tables have turned. It's almost as if I can say something is bad the same way you can say something is good.

>most people on Yea Forums like these games
>that means they're good
Amazing how critic opinions mean shit but the zoomers, boomers and shutins of Yea Forums are pinnacle of insight on games
If you guys don't think Fallout 3 is the best game ever made, I'm going to disregard all your opinions.

I wasn't trying to be a dick or make you upset. I legitimately feel for you guys. everything you guys get is a cheap remake of something we played that's usually worse than the original. Even the pop culture is so bland you guys find slang from the 80s better. That has to suck.

> "Where are the garden hoses?"
> "Aisle 5"
Woo hoo I am on an adventure.

You are easily amused aren't you

The first time I played Morrowind was after Skyrim released, and I was horribly disappointed with how linear it felt, even with an open world. Since then I have played Morrowind from beginning to end twice, with two different builds, and have not once thought "Man, this aged bad."

If anything, I was convinced Bethesda has only taken steps backwards over the years.

Yeah, checks out. Try to enjoy yourself.

Fallout 3 was fucking great.

>Not him but a lot of Yea Forums behaves as if they're opinion is objective
And why should anyone act otherwise? You should feel confident in your opinions, and if someone else doesn't agree with it, then they should explain why they think said opinion is wrong. That's how discussion works.

This whole "remember, what you're saying is only your opinion" shit is such a bitch-tier mentality that is only said by those who need to regularly remind themselves that some statements they see that's adverse to their own beliefs are "only an opinion". It's just a sad coping mechanism.

Like no shit it's just their opinion, not everything needs an "I think/believe" in front of it, it's just understood.

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Oh good. You're just a contrarian faggot.
Hey everyone, this guy's just a contrarian faggot! We can all just ignore the thread. He's just here to bait.

Make your points on their own merits.
Claiming everyone else is against you is a sign of weakness.

You aren't at the Codex so you are very likely wrong.

>Find the garden hoses.
>They're on one of the aisles.
>You're in a store with 30 aisles.
>Oh well, figure it out dude.

Fuck off with that. The game doesn't tell you where his house is, or where Balmora is. Just that he's in Balmora, and that his house is somewhere there. It's an adventure in the way that you have to explore, talk to people, and aggregate info to track him down.

I could argue that Fallout 3 literally POINTS you where you need to go, but I'm sure you have some half-assed argument for that as well.

>go play your corridor walkers
Alright man back to morrowind I go

>Poor combat feedback
>Reliance on escort missions when AI is terrible at pathfinding and constantly gets stuck in geometry
>Having to trudge through useless filler in dialogue before finding something you haven't read before
Morrowind has plenty of problems and most of them unrelated to age. These are all things that could've been ironed out in the design phase.

>Go play your corridor walkers.
Holy shit, you are delusional

And that is where I brickwalled for a couple days, as a kid. Shit was confusing. I must have spent a few hours wandering trying to do it.

Nobody cares about your opinion anymore because you listed RE5 as one of your favorite games.

Played it recently and I'll just say this, it blows the everloving fuck out of Oblivion and Skyrim.

I mean, fair enough it doesn't look that good, it's janky as fuck and still has bugs to this day. But holy shit you can feel the effort put into making the game actually great. Game is packed full of tiny hidden details and interesting things to find and discover.

You can tell the people who made Morrowind actually had a love for the game they were making. In Oblivion you don't feel this nearly as much, and in Skyrim you don't feel it at all.

It has nothing to do with how well it aged, though, you monstrous faggot. It was a broken, buggy, mess when it released, and was called out for it at the time. Character models and animations were bogus even then, and everybody knew it.

Concerning the story though, it's as great as ever. Die in a fire.

I like a wide swath of games, friend. There's a very high likelihood we like many of the same games. You're just completely wrong, and unable to back up your point other than using bait by saying "classic" games are bad. That's why I laugh at you, because you come across as a joke. But hey, you got what you wanted, (you)s.

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This. OP's just a beta zoomer fag who wants everything handed to him on a plate with a his Juul, and a chilled glass of Dr. Pepper.

I know right? New Vegas was definitely a stronger RPG but the atmosphere was on point in 3.

I think you're a contrarian. So does that mean I win, or is it a tie?
Also, crying "muh bait" after fuck knows how many replies does nothing to help your side. Not that the whining that not everybody loves the same games you do helped much.

This. It's universally accepted that everything you say about video games is your opinion. It's a SUBJECTIVE topic. Of course it's your fucking opinion. Why would somebody need to clarify that

>t-thats just like, your opinion man
No shit retard. Do you really need to constantly remind yourself that other people think differently to you? Seek help if youre this insecure.

I legit feel bad for the old timers.
Take Daggerfall for example.
There are cases of oldtimers who legit think that was good game.
It took 10 minutes of the Betony demo to realize it was complete and utter shit.

It was what they had and they just didn't know any better.
Poor bastards.

>Yes I played it for more than 10 minutes.
WOAH 10 MIN?! HOW DID YOU MANAGE THAT?

That is a lie.

You leave Dr Pepper out of this. Fucking top tier soft drink. I won't hear a word against it.

Play diablo 3 and then go and play diablo 2 and tell me which is better.

I probably could have worded that better, I played it for 7-8 hours before giving it up.

What the fuck are you talking about you spastic I'm a new user.
>so retarded you can't even see poster IP changes
No wonder you suck Bethesda cock so hard

You can think what you want. That's your opinion. But what I just stated is fact deduced from the shit you've posted. You're a bait baby, it's easy to tell from the replies where you keep throwing out shit that you know will trigger Yea Forums. If you've been here for a month, you know you're attempting to shit on one of their favorite games, as well as tossing in a few other names you know will incite outrage. (Neverwinter, Baldurs, Might and Magic)

You're just aiming for replies, and it's cool. That's what you want to do. Doesn't change the fact that it makes you a contrarian faggot.

Morrofags are so cute when they're defensive over their meme game.

Also all lies

Why do you press the enter key after every single sentence? Is this the fabled "redit spacing" I've heard so much about?

I don't like Morrowind's combat but it did age better than Oblivion graphically
I'd also say it aged better than Skyrim did

I think the problem is compounded by their thin skin too apparently.

It's reached a point where every single game that a young poster feels the need to advertise their distaste for is guaranteed to be good.

Daggerfall fans are retard hipsters who've never played more than 4 hours of it.
And that's an objective fact, because the game has an unavoidable save corruption bug that makes it uncompletable unless you're a speedrunner.
It makes sense that the game would give a good impression before you realize you've seen 95% of the content 5% through the game.

B-BUT VIVEC
SWINGING INTO THE AIR IS IMMERSIVE RPG JUST SKILL BETTER

>He doesn't use the github extension.

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You sound retarded. Nobody wants or needs your pity, the generation before you made the most of what they had with their creativity and imagination.

This generation is built on instant gratification, which is way worse. You literally cannot play a game without 5 meters filling up while points shoot onto the screen telling you "you did good"

People act like clunk in videogames is a bad thing. As time has gone on and games have gotten more streamlined they've sacrificed depth to do so, and made everything the same prepackaged shit. Nothing feels distinct anymore.

In general I do it because it seems to legit piss off some anons.
I do it at random with no real plan.

I mean, it's a damn fine beverage. But zoomers latched on hard to that shit to differentiate themselves from the Boomers with Mountain Dew.

Oh. So you do it because it's reddit spacing, and you're not used to posting on Yea Forums. Cool. I love summer.

Why do Japanese people think that making villains act gay makes them intimidating? Y'know, villains like Pegasus or Frieza. I never got how making them effeminate was supposed to make them scary.

They have a pavlovian need to defend Morrowind against any insult.

Thought my original point was clear. Games with dice roll combat despite being real time aren't good. If you're desperate for a reason why I think that, it's because I think a combat system where success is taken out of a player's hands and given to chance isn't fun and undermines the player's advancement. You rarely see it in games now because it was a staple of the time, and better alternatives are present.

I neve mentioned those games, someone else did. If you're so bothered, read the above. As I've said in past posts, crying "uhh bait" and "duhh contrarian" is literally shitpost tier.
Off you fuck lad, unless you have something to say about how aforementioned games are good, outside of "because Yea Forums says so".

That's legit retarded, legit faggot.

I'm a filthy clover phonefag right now, so no.

>Be in dungeon in Morrowind
>Inside this dungeon is another secret, well hidden dungeon
>Inside this maze like dungeon is another very well hidden dungeon that is very difficult to access
>Inside this dungeon full of traps and difficult enemies, hidden behind a very hard lock is a treasure room
>Inside this treasure room is another hidden treasure room that can only be accessed with levitation
>Inside this hidden treasure room is cleverly hidden a powerful artifact that without carefully looking you can miss
>This isn't a quest, no markers point you to it, no NPC tells you about it, you simply must discover this on your own
>Getting to this artifact requires a wide variety of skills and can take a player hours if it's their first time

Shit like this is why Morrowind is better than Oblivion or Skyrim.

Are you the Joker?

I thought the "boomer drink" was monster energy?

Which ES handled hybrid classes the best?

That was Half-Life.

Doesn't Daggerfall Unity fix that bug? I definitely have more than 4 hours on my save.

I grew up with Daggerfall. I liked it at the time. When Morrowind came out, I fell in love with it. By the time Oblivion hit, I realized how ridiculously made it was. The difference, however, is that when Skyrim/Fallout 3/Fallout 4 hit, I never stopped thinking Morrowind was great, and still replay it once every year or so.

There are some cases where a game doesn't age badly if you grew up with it, and some where it does. It's perspective I guess. Personally, Morrowind has not aged for me at all, and I still love it enough to play it every once and a while. Daggerfall is a muddled trek for me, now.

Still one of the best open worlds ever made

>pros:
>magic system
>lore
>cons:
>literally everything else
I'm so glad escort quests are a thing of the past

>can't provide any concrete arguments of why Morrowind has """aged"""
>resort to personal attacks

Yeah that's about what I expected out of someone with your mental capacity

I stated clearly why I do it.

You can tell when the blow lands.

You can walk off the roads. I know the game is old, but they were actually able to make the entire landscape playable. Shocking, right? It's amazing what they were able to do with only a couple transistors.

No, my dude. Monster was the apex of Boomer drinks, but "the" boomer drink of the 90's was Mountain Dew. And some fucking sickos stuck with it. It is not good.

Stupid faggot retard with idiotic braindead opinion.
youtu.be/av5Hf7uOu-o

You can tell when the samefag posts too, when you type like that. And I can see you posted a lot.

>so retarded you can't even see poster IP changes
imagine frequenting this shithole so much that you check / care for IPs like a schizo

fpbp

Lets not forget the part where:
>This artifact is in no way, shape, or form required to beat the game, but is only a reward for players smart enough to track it down.

Yes. You can walk off the roads to any number of dungeon entrances that magically appear on your minimap, openly ruining any sort've fun and excitement in stumbling across them yourself. So fun.

>ousting yourself as a newfag
Go back

been here since 2007. some people don't care as much as you.

>his opinion isn't even his own
>the person who's opinion his stole takes 40 minutes to describe it
Good one, you got me there. Here's a video I found that's really long and talks about something: youtube.com/watch?v=QNs8aB0huoc

Ignore me. I thought you were talking about Skyrim, not Daggerfall. Daggerfall's not bad because of travel, it's bad because it gets monotonous after a few dozen hours, and some of the dungeons are copy-and-paste on a couple of levels. (Horizontally, not vertically.)

I've learned to not pull punches when it comes to Daggerfall, but it is still a very interesting and important game to me.
It's just not something I'd hold up as "good," especially on Yea Forums, where odds are you're talking to someone just off the Fortnite and Skyrim train.

>been here since 2007
post the picture and prove it

You must hate any card game ever made, then huh? Or turn based games based on to hit chances? Saying "I don't like these games because of RNG" is perfectly acceptable. To just use a blanket statement and call them bad is absolutely retarded.

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Imagine that discussing a video game on a board dedicated to video games.

You are just pretending correct?

>I liked having real RPG elements, though, unlike Skyrim
Well then you understand why people prefer it over Oblivion and Skyrim. Wasn't so hard, was it champ?

No.

Reddit spacing makes sure that each line has it's own space.

Basically making a sentence or two their own paragraph.

Because large chunks of text don't display well on mobile, and reddit's css is cancerous.

Also making them write out more than a basic bitch twitter response is nearly impossible.

I only did it because you are fundamentally attacking Game Design, in a painfully retarded way. My point is that your opinion is out of sync with some of its most basic tenets.
And besides, I think "creator of Magic the Gathering" wins over "some faggot Let's Player."

Haha, no you haven't. It takes literally three seconds to look at a number and that's not even taking into account extensions that reveal the fact further. You're just a retarded newshit

>Morrowind has less challenge than Skyrim and Oblivion
Level scaling disagrees with you.

It is actually quite good. Played it 2 years ago and enjoyed it thoroughly.

Right. It's got its moments, but it is also very tedious at times, especially later on in game design. Morrowind still sits at a special place in the game design heirarchy where enough quality-of-life stuff existed, but didn't hold your hand. GUI's were more accessible for managing your character and map, inventory management became less of a bog, etc..

Not to say all older games run into that issue - Obviously, Morrowind is an old game. But there are games like Doom and Duke 3D, that when you bust them down to their base components, are still fun and intuitive to this day. So it's kind of hit or miss, when it comes to whether or not a classic still feels playable, or like a chore.

When done well escort quests can be fun. The problem is that the majority of the devs can't into AI and pathfinding.

Games don’t age.

Plenty of anons have provided examples of why Morrowind has aged poorly, you're just too much of a faggot to listen.

If you hate randomness so much go visit Gygax's grave. DnD's core rules are basically the basis of modern game design. If you can't see that you're probably 9 years old.

zoomer fag kys

Baitfags are so cute when their bait doesn't work.

List them.

it's almost like it's an rpg, and not some other genre.

You know, saying inb4 doesn't make it untrue

All I've seen in this thread is that the combat has random misses in it. As if random elements aren't present in modern games released today.

I like the smaller cities of Vvardenfell. But when I find myself in Vivek, my topographical cretinism prevents me from navigating the terrain. And it makes me afraid to get lost like a child in a supermarket who does not see his mother nearby.

youtube.com/watch?v=Gu8u2SxarEE

The pathfinding and AI makes escort quests rage inducing.
Your shield is tied to the RNG.
Detect spells show where the itemi not on screen. not on the minimap. It is shown in the map from the menu.

There was great deal of bad you just forget due to nostalgia goggles.
And no you did not just play it for the first time and loved it....just no.

>You must hate any card game ever made
Pretty much. Uno is quite fun after a few bevvies though.
>Or turn based games based on to hit chances
I quite enjoy turn based games, shame for you that we're not talking about them.
>Saying "I don't like these games because of RNG" is perfectly acceptable
>sayint they're bad isn't
These are the same. If it helps, I think they're bad because of the shit rng.

Not sure how I'm "fundamentally attacking game design". Plenty of games don't depend on luck and are good.
>my video beats yours
My point was I didn't give a shit that you ripped someone else's opinion off to try sound smart. I picked mine because it had rng in the title.

>ooh, its the basis of modern games
Times change grandpa. Using awkward shit because "muh traditions" is fucking stupid. I could say that Charlie Chaplain is what modern comedy is built on, doesn't mean we should still be filming comedies in black and white and without sound.

It's almost as if not every rpg works the same way.

It is just whoever designed Vivec city had no idea his cool idea was a giant PitA to deal with.
He forgot cities were meant to be lived in.

>it did not age well
Video games don't age in the same sense your milk does, retard

>moves goalposts
K

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At least milk has the decency to let you know it is bad.

Even in Morrowind's time it was not a game that people could get into and appreciate easily. It took time and commitment to just begin to see what was brilliant about it. It's still the most creative and well-realized open world in videogames IMO, I can only hope in futility that Bethesda can one day make another game with a setting as great as Morrowind's.

How is that "aging badly" when modern games still have RNG though? Sounds like you wouldnt have liked Morrowind on release either.

>another food analogy on Yea Forums

>being gay
Funny how we can both do that.
How did I move goalposts?

Arx Fatalis is not great, it has some neat ideas going on, especially the spellcasting but the rest of the game is a total slog. Arkane got melee combat right only with Dark Messiah

Look at this pathetic little man and laugh.

That chart is pretty embarrassing with those stupid fucking checkmarks.

Please get your shit sorted.

>you're being willfully ignorant

What would telling someone that as an argument achieve?

How could it possibly make you more right or help your opponent to perceive you that way?

imagine getting triggered over checkmarks. Spend too much time on twitter?

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>moves focus of discussion

Fair point, but pls, it's making it out as if Oblivion is somehow much better off than Skyrim.

Current standard is a horrible shit.

>BAAWWWW OLD GRAPHICS
The one and only "argument" of nugamers hating on old games.

That's because it is, friend.

They're both shit, mate.

I never said that wasn't true.

What is you opinion on VtM:B?

Bethesda gets flak for releasing games the fans need to fix.
I am sure those same people deride VtM:B asv garbage because the fans actually had to finish.

The old timers standards were pretty low as well. They are just clouded by nostalgia.

Sure there's still rng in modern games, but by no means in the same capacity. As I've said in previous posts, Morrowind's gameplay is a product of its time and not some fundamental display of gameplay. Played it around 2005 I think and enjoyed it. Not so much coming back recently.

>nothing worthwhile to say
Shocking.

>see above
Still can't tell me how I moved those goalposts of yours. Is it because you threw about some term which you didnt know the meaning of to try look smart? Oh dear oh dear.

True enough, but if one was to be said to be slightly more shit than the other, I'd point the finger at Oblivion.

Normally they aren't willing to say this because they know it will out them as a pleb, so instead they just make up some "improvement in game design" that has apparently occurred over time. It's always very vague, because they haven't actually played many old games and have no idea what the games industry was like before the Xbox 360 generation.

I don't know man. Maybe the overworld is samey, but Oblivion has better quests, characters, and magic. It's not like the game is very deep, but somehow skyrim feels shallower. Both games have repetitive aspects to them, but holy shit I can't tolerate another dungeon of Draugr.

You're replying to a different user, retard.

>Morrowind's gameplay is a product of its time
It really isn't though. There were plenty of games (RPGs and otherwise) with real time combat without RNG in 2002. Hell, games had real time combat without RNG on the fucking NES. Morrowind's combat system is fairly unique to that game. If you don't like it now I doubt you would have liked it in 2002.

This

Hell, Devil May Cry 1 came out in 2001. It's like they have no idea what they're talking about.

ZOOMER FAG KYS

Aw, shucks, guess I should have looked at your ID then. What's that, we don't have them here? So I couldn't possibly know who I'm talking to? Wooooah.

It's a product of its time because there were more games like Morrowind back in 2002 than there were afterwards. Like I said, I didn't like it when it released in 2002, because I never played it then. I enjoyed it in 2005 when I did, but not so much now.

>Hell, Wasteland came out in 1988. Its like you have no idea what you're talking about.
You wasted everybody's time typing that out. You could have replied "based" and had the same meaningful contribution while saving you a couple dozen keystrokes.

Imagine being this retarded.

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>I enjoyed it in 2005 when I did, but not so much now.
You ever think that maybe it was your taste that changed, and not the game "aging badly"? It's still considered to be one of the best games ever made amongst most gaming communities. Clearly you're in the minority with your opinion.

Imagine actually being an adult in your 20s and having difficulties grasping a game children and teenagers were playing in 2002.

Sad isn't it?

My one problem with Morrowind is that after a certain point(around lv. 20, when the glass and ebony gear start to pop up more often) the gameplay becomes way too easy exploit, even without doing alchemy or enchanting shenanigans.
You make one good loot haul from the ash wastes, sell it off to the vendors in Mournhold, then buy skilll upgrades from the master trainers, and you can quickly level yourself into an unstoppable demigod.
Whichyou somewhat need to do to be able to do anything of note on Solstheim or in Mournhold, but it makes questing in Vvardenfell too much of a cakewalk.

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Honestly I'm a boomer and I played it like two monthes ago for my first time. With the community patch of course. So I can't judge it for its' technical inconsistencies. From gameplay perspective it's a fucking blast. Amazing atmosphere. It's a low budget mess but still great. You say old timer's standarts were low? In terms of bugs yeah. In terms of actual game quality fuck no.

Isn't turning into a demigod half the fun?

Try Rebirth. Oh you know, stop exploiting.

Is selling loot and buying training really exploiting though?

Level 20 is where the scaling stops. It's pretty clear you're supposed to be near the end of the game anyway at that point, unless you've been exploiting the game.

Could be you, where I didn't have to imagine it.

Gaming communities circle-jerking over the same games for decades means nothing. The majority of critics will tell you Fallout 4 was fantastic yet people here would disagree. Maybe my taste has got better, maybe worse. Who fucking knows. You can go enjoy it if you want. But like I say, a real time rng system isn't fun and by modern standards, yeah it's aged badly. Stuff like Dragon Age would be what I consider a minimum for that style and that's not even that great.

>imagine actually being an adult in your 20s and having difficulties grasping the operation of heavy machinery children and teenagers were using in 1830
What does this even mean? People over 35 find it hard to grasp that we used to watch tvs in black and white with 3 channels. Time moves on, moron.

Your average person complaining about Morrowind is likely an early to mid 20s person who refuses to learn something different. The same people say "tank controls" are unplayable.

A good portion of those Black and White movies are better than the drivel we have now. But I guess Transformers is high art because it came out in the last 15 years.

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Bring it up with them then. I've played it and don't like it. What do tank controls have to do with anything?

>go back and re-read my post
>mention comedy and not broader films
Good work missing the point boyo.

>Morrowind fans: "The fun of the game is breaking everything and becoming super powerful demi god!"
>also Morrowind fans: "The game is so boring once you learn all the exploits and become too powerful."

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>modern standards
You still haven't explained how this is defined. Modern standard is that games are full to the brim with micro-transactions.

Its fine to have an opinion
Im still going to call you a faggpt
Faggot

Woah.... It's almost as if people have different opinions..... Mind blown.....

Imagine playing Morrowind and not finding RPG elements.

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Hey, I love that show.

How about "rpgs who's core combat system isn't entirely based on rng dice rolls" as a modern standard?

More like the faggots playing this old trash have shit rigs and can't play modern games anyway. Classic sour grapes argument lmao.

It's entirely possible to not like new games, and the way that game design has gone.

Plays great with the right mods/patches. I just started another playthrough recently.

>rpgs who's core combat system isn't entirely based on rng dice rolls
You mean real RPGs? Like Dungeons and Dragons? They still all use dice rolls, numb nuts.

You're basically saying that you stopped liking one genre (actual RPGs) and started liking action game. Thats fine but I don't know what it has to do with things "aging badly".

I'm pretty sure that fucking nobody is nostalgic about chance to hit and wiki dialogs.

>and can't play modern games anyway
Why not? This doesn't make any sense. Anyone alive today is capable of playing a modern game. Some people choose not to play shit games though.

You would be surprised.

>wiki dialogs
NO TALK TALK. ME JUST WANT TO HIT THINGS! SHUTUP TOO MUCH TALK TALK IN GAME

I guess not. Though it's pretty easy to get greedy when you find items worth 10,000+ of gold.

Chance to hit utterly disappears once you stop crying like a baby and train your skills up. Yeah, no one can defend hot key dialogue at this point, but that doesn't make Morrowind a bad game. Morrowind also has tons of mods like Tamriel Rebuilt along with HD graphics mods that will require a good rig to run.

I'd much rather have morrowinds hit chance than skyrims meat shield enemies and damage scaling that gets worse as you level

There's literally nothing wrong with hotkey dialog.

>your opinion is wrong because you don't like REAL rpgs
Fuck right off with your gatekeeping. Thought I was wasting my time and turns out I was right. Guess first person shooters don't exist anymore because they don't play like the original Doom.

based

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>use a script to add +2 to difficulty per level up
>don't exploit
>pick combat skills you will use as your major or minors
if you haven't worked out you need to self balance tes games to have the real fun you're retarded
if you have worked that out but you can't be bothered or can't do it - fair enough, move along

>Gatekeeping
www.resetera.com is over there.

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Yes, you're right. This whole thread is a waste of time because games getting worse with age is a concept that only drooling retards believe in.

Case in point from your post, Doom is still fucking great despite the fact that modern FPSs arent exactly the same. In fact, many modern FPSs are worse than Doom.

Not necessarily, but it lent itself to copy pasted dialogue for 99.9% of the NPCs in the game.

DOOM is still better than 90% of the shooters that have come out since.

>Doom is still fucking great

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What a shit translation. Slurs against the disabled aren't even allowed to be aired on Japanese TV.

Wow, I already thought you were a pleb, but this is just getting embarrassing. You might find that a different website like the IGN forums is more your speed.

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I've never understood the popularity of the TES games. I mean VASTLY superior WRPGs were coming out years before Morrowind, what with games like Deus Ex, Fallout, Baldur's Gate, etc.

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Post your custom items and spells

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>IGN forums
Are you an unironic 30 something boomer?

>he lurked the babe threads in the vestibule
I'm sorry for you

>unironic
>boomer
Are you incapable of communicating unless its in shitty internet memes? I'm 25 years old, kid.

>I can't type
I feel sorry for me

based af

Anyone have the post where the guy enchanted a pair of pants with Poison on Self with Vivec's Souls so it looked like he was farting

Then why are you arguing about video games with a bunch of teenagers? And getting this mad?

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>weakness to magicka
why exactly? i thought weakness to Magicka does not affect the damage taken from elemental spells

Have we had a lapse in generation retardation where Millenials are now Baby Boomers?

I mean, the game on a technical level didn't age well. You need mods to get working resolutions and near-necessary bugfixes.
It' still the best Bethesda game though

>This game is bad, it did not age well.
Great argument you got there faggotron. I bet your grades in English were bad too

>Neverwinter Nights
Nope Neverwinter Nights was a god awful game.

>He thinks that the majority of people here are teenagers.
Yes if you're 25 you're a boomer now.
You can get the game at modern resolutions just by editing the registry, it's simple.

>played morrowind in 2005
>teenager
Unless you played it when you were 5 years old then something doesnt add up about your story.

Weakness to magicka makes you weak to other weakness spells. So the weakness to frost becomes 200%.

And, not really shown in the screenshot, the spell effects are arranged in such a way that the frost weakness becomes permanent (similar to the soultrap glitch)

Sorry bro you either Boom or you Zoom now

This game is fucking impossible as a pure stealth character.

The large open fantasy world gimmick and "you can do anything" interactivity are the big draws of the series, I think. It's not a bad world setting either.

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I bloom, thank you very much. And sometimes I coom.

bro i was born in 01 and morrowind was one of my favorite gaming experience's neck yourself you uncultured piece of shit

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That wasn't even me.

I got Morrowind when it was given away for free on the Bethesda launcher, tried it a for a few hours with OpenMW, thought to myself "this must've been so impressive like 20 years ago lmao" and never really looked back.

Skyrim was my first TES game.

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>bro i was born in 01
This distresses me

As opposed to a muddy brown field walker? Morrowind's world is more empty than Skyrim's, and at least the dungeons in Oblivion's world are more than 2 rooms and have actual loot in them.

Oh, okay. Cool troll dude.

>Bethesda Launcher
>Skyrim was my first TES game.
Jesus Christ. We need to pray for him... Are you the same user that was saying Fallout 3 is the best game ever made?

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Is there some point to this chart? I feel like it's trying to make some kind of point by comparing apples to oranges.

Fuckinghell. The rose tinted spectacles are clearly in use. How about you fuck on off and through out the monitor you're using in exchange for a huge crt on becaus they were great for their time right? Don't stop there either, black and white TV was great for the time, go swap yours out for one of them.

>Doom is better than what comes out today
Good to see that the retards are getting represented in this thread.

You've obviously never played the original DOOM. And you misquoted me.

>muh 30 yo pixel shit
Go to your containment board, hipster

>he doesn't like a game today
>that must mean he never played it
This is what you think.
>you misquoted
Oh, so you think that Doom is better than most of the games that come out. Sorry about that. Still a stupid post.

>Old bad
>New good

>My opinions are wrong
>diablo, neverwinter nights, baldur's gate are bad
Ironic, isn't it?

Now you're misquoting me, you cheeky bastard.

Morrowind is still a great game, however I think people who have been playing just a "little" too long with mods tend to forget the shortcomings of the vanilla game. As far as I'm aware, Oblivion nor Skyrim need a fucking patch for the executable to fix numerous bugs with the game. Graphics and texture mods have also come a long way. Scripting mods allow you to have sheathed weapons like the later games, hire mercenaries, etc.

>dice roll combat in a real time combat system
>people still say this is good

>works in might and magic 6, diablo, neverwinter, nights, baldur's gate

>it works in all these other bad games
>this is my argument

>so you think that Doom is better than most of the games that come out.
>Still a stupid post.

Hmm.

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I started playing it for the first time 4 days ago. It's much more fun than skyrim.
>no quest markers,
>no handholding
>having to prepare with potions (cure disease/blight and restore skill
>combat success being determined by character's skill
>guilds/factions aren't a one off questline adventure and has multiple branches in different cities
>more weapons types
>better magic
>mc isn't treated like a messiah

>still neglects to read the rest of the chain
That's your opinion dude, and it's wrong.

>mc isn't treated like a messiah

>even though literally almost every single NPC greets you with thanks and reverence for being the nerevarine

The instructions you receive tell you where to go in balmora to find him, (the cornerclub) and one of the guards in the very first building recommends you take a silt strider to balmora rather than walk

I've been replying to you for the majority of the thread, retard.

And which posts were mine, because not all the ones in are.

Yes, after you've completed the Main Quest of the game. I'm not sure how the fuck you actually think that's applicable to someone just starting out.

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don't give me that look fuckboy get the fuck back to your post

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Where's your uniform, user.

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how is it comparing apples to oranges it's literally comparing sequels in a running series of games it's comparing apples to older apples you fucking tool

Play Skyrim instead, OP.

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He won't believe you.

>Games don't "age" like fucking food or something.
Wrong. Plenty of games age because more context has been added. People were fucking crazy for Pong once upon a time, but it has aged badly because of its simplistic gameplay and graphics.

You act like it's now impossible to have fun playing pong.

based autist misunderstanding phrases intentionally

I think "I mean" and "to be honest" are way worse than "i think".

>dude it's fun with friends

>a multiplayer game is fun with friends but not as fun against the AI

funny how that works

>dice rolls are too hard for me, mommy
actually based

Then LoL and CoD are great games, glad we've come to a consensus.

If you agree with NEW GOOD OLD BAD, then yes.

Only the combat really hasn't aged well but it was bad even when it released.

>dude nobody plays morrowind for the combat!
>we play it for the cool magic system!

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Just use the 10gb overhall mod.

>No Stamina
>Fucking Orc mage
I do appreciate these webms from keeping the retards that would unironically complain about this shit constantly away from the game though

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I wish there was a place to talk about games without all the bait and faux rage.

>just exploit alchemy my nwah in arms!

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Am I the only one that thought both expansions sucked ass. Bloodmoon was much better, but exploring Solstheim and fighting 1,000,000 Reiklings made me want to uninstall it.

Do you have the one where he tries to unlock the gate

No, my first rpg was the original Dragon Warrior on NES when it was current.

i got you hamalam

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tribunal is straight garbage in execution

If you were to replace the graphics with current generation visuals, leaving everything else intact minus the bugs, you'd hail this game as a masterpiece unrivaled by other open world games.

Thanks, I don't know why that's the one that makes me laugh the hardest

This quest isn't so difficult if you are accustomed to exploring new dungeons thoroughly. I was a teenager when it came out and had been playing rpgs for a long time already, so I can see how this could be a stumper. The temple pilgrimage was intense.

>dude you can just kill shopkeepers and take their house!
literally nothing I could do

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Baseline, normal vidya taste. Nothing to insult, but nothing surprising. At least some of those were fun.

>be shopkeeper
>literal God walks into your shop to murder you
>get saved by bad rng
Based shit game.

Is this DSP? Got a link to the full vid?

You gotta admit, though: despite its flaws Morrowind has the best main quest ending.

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Damn boy what texture set is that?

Rate my Breton.

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Ah, so you don't enjoy risk management and mitigation. You realize that your statement "...combat system where success is taken out of a player's hands and given to chance..." demonstrates to the majority of us that played the game past Balmora that you didn't understand progression or character stats.

but ive been here since 2007 as well and have never given a fuck about any extension other than 4chanx

Oblivion

>No recall or intervention can work in this place
Hold my sujama.

Brainlets don't understand fatigue and racial affinity, I see.

>alchemy skill of 5
>probably sub 40 int

>Altmer
>security skill of 5

>serious responses

>tfw no thicc telvanni gf

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>can ask the reincarnation of your greatest ancestral hero for literally anything to prove his worth
>ask for a thick wife

absolutely based