The game at the highest level of play still allows for varied and unique playstyles, and while meta may exist...

This.

Dark Souls

Wrong person, pal. I just asked the LoL guy a question.

These are both really good answers

>comp tf2
>unique playstyles
>unusual approaches
Steel shitter detected, eat shit and die

Aside from toxicity and cancer are there any other game problems?

Tf2 is all about fun my guy. Try it sometime.

OP specifically mentioned HIGHEST LEVEL OF PLAY not in tour useless pubs

Melee

Rocket League

Ah yeah? Tell me about tf2.

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Not him but the OP is talking about the highest level of gameplay. Invite has been a stale bag of shit for years now.

Literally the only game that fits this is Pokemon.

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Dota

very few champs overbuffed like pyke,the toxicity is varied,sometimes you get really nice fellas in your team,sometimes you get super scrubs that feed the enemy team and start trolling.
T. wood division noob

I don't speak Spanish so I have no clue what any of that says. Have a wonderful day.
I just play 2Fort and Degroot Keep. More or less anything works if you're good enough. That's good game design.

>even if it's not meta
Don't make shit up, they literally ban people for not being involved in the meta. They have game modes where you explicitly pick your meta role before you play.

Starcraft 2

Guild Wars

The original not the garbage korean sequel.

Ah I see you’re just pretending to be retarded. I suggest going outside for a run, lifting weights, gaining height, or having sex. Do something more productive than pretending to be a simpleton.

and they have game modes where none of that matters,you don't need to go full ranked to play lol.

have sex

>this is what lolfags actually believe

Starcraft II. Casuls will whine about "gookclicking" and whatnot, but the game legitimately allows for many unusual approaches, and I'm not only talking about cheesing.

Valve way is the best way.

dilate

It does not exist, and remains an open challenge in video game science. One that I work away on tirelessly with every fibre of my being.

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Starcraft2 and Broodwar

Imagine being this elitist over a game like TF2.

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Dark Souls 2 would let me do that. It was the game I replayed the most of the three only by the fact you can make any weapon and their combinations work if you eager to min/max

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Yes, and if any of them can counter the meta they nerf it into the ground. Remember when Urgot was considered the worst champ in the game? Remember when one pro team switched up the meta by going 2 top, Urgotv2 bottom? The "worst champion in the game" got nerfed after that.

TF2 is severely borked m8, if you loved the game half as much as I do you'd understand this.

Oh, so you're just a troll.

I’m not. OP said highest level of gameplay and you just pretend to be an idiot. What exactly do you get out of it? The attention that you never received in school or from your parents?

But that's true in all of the Souls games. It's probably the least true in 2.

Good fighting games and good 1v1 games in general

You and seething is pretty funny. I just threw it out as a game I play where anything works, I'm not autistic or unemployed enough to play competitively.

broodwar

SF3: Third Strike
Not to long ago a Hugo won a major tourney.

considered worst by bad players. just because shaco was a monster before and got nerfed,that don't stop good players from doing well with the champ. i still don't understand why they overbuffed pyke,if a champ is popular enough,it get buffs?

Yeah but you sure are illiterate. Don’t know what you could really do other than operate a cash register or flip burgers.

Shaco is trash in modern LoL, the devs intentionally keep him numerically shit so he doesn't do what he's supposed to.

The meta in league is pretty varied now. Splitpush, 1 3 1, ARAM, poke are all viable strategies and theres been a lot of shitpicks that see the light of day in this meta. Stuff like volibear, kled and pantheon

Illiterate how? Do you not understand English?

>considered worst by bad players.
You clearly don't remember the time period I'm talking about then.

Rocket League I guess?
There are rotations and Octane or Dominus-like cars are the best, but you can pretty much use whatever you want and play your own way and be effective.

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English isn't my first language and even I have a better grasp of it than you. You're bad at reading the original post and you missed his point. You respond with "lolz I just play for funzies and understand nothing LOL." You're a simpleton. I'm suprised a braindead wagie like you isn't flipping burgers on a sunday.

no user,your 2010 lol days are forgotten forever..

what about that fat fuck pinkward?if he can make trash works,what's stopping autistic high elo players from doing it?

I'm surprised you even carried this on so long. You must really be butthurt over such a lowly idiot.

2 came up with combat stance, costumizable dual wield and that magic gel that let you decrease the requirements for specific spell. Sadly none of these ideas were implement in 3, instead all dual weapons became a single item, special attacks were kind of cool but I still prefer spells being counted than how many you can cast in your mana pool.
Is more a personal preference for each player but the 2 has a special place in me with its flaws and all.

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>play a "bad" champion in a way that works extremely well and keep winning with it
>play comp and keep on winning with it as well
>get banned nonetheless because it's not meta
The Riot way.

>Things that have litteraly never happened

A guy got banned for playing Nunu as a counterjungling support in diamond, same with a Singed player I think. Also another guy got banned a long time ago for playing Singed and exploiting the reduced gold bounties on death to make killing him a waste of time.

>the game at the highest level of play still allows for varied and unique playstyles, and while meta may exist, unusual approaches still work
Well done, retard.

Ring runner. The amount of crazy, unexpected stuff you can do is insane.

Supreme Commander with the FAF upgrades (since gpg died forever obviously vanilla FA never got to have long term official balance patching at all even for obvious stuff). At the highest level there are definitely a lot of different things to do and ways to win, and the assassination mechanic for the ACU while simultaneously having the ACU be potentially one of the most powerful units in the game allows for wild last minute come backs and strats.

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your bronze games are not highest level of play.

>not on gog
this is a crime against humanity

>the game at the highest level of play still allows for varied and unique playstyles, and while meta may exist, unusual approaches still work

>and they have game modes where none of that matters,you don't need to go full ranked to play lol.

>highest levels of play

>don't need to go full ranked

Based retard.

lolskill site literally shows you grandmaster using off meta champs,just because your scrub ass can't make it work,it doesn't mean it's not possible.

>a fucking Treasure Island crop
>from the Spacetoon run
holy shit

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Sure, but can we start discussing why game companies are being pressured to nerf weapons in SINGLE PLAYER GAMES WITH NO MULTIPLAYER?!

You're listing a very specific exception. And anyway, he was completely remade and now commonly sees play, he's in a much better place now.

What you're referring to is like old school Poppy which Riot straight up said "She's weak, but has a completely unbalanced strength. We're keeping her the same since people like her playstyle, but if it ever sees competitive play, we'll change her, because it's completely degenerative."

In the end, she saw some very niche play at competitive level and was eventually reworked, and it was all good.

Starcraft, although some matchups feel a bit stale from time to time.

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Splatoon 2

Playing a game at the highest level is a sure way to suck all the fun out of it.

that is just games as a service mentality, people want mtx and updates for even solo games, the novelty is more the goal than actual balance.

Starcraft 2

if it's a shit game

All of those are examples of people playing in a way that completely fucked over their teammates and doing it either after being asked by their team-mates not to do it, or without giving any indication of what they were doing.

>Hurr, I'm gonna play Nunu counterjungler!
>I've got a 46% win rate with this strategy, it's totally viable!
>Meanwhile the ADC that thought he was getting a support picks Kai'sa
>ADC spends the entire game getting fucked over 2v1 while Nunu dicks around in the opposing jungle

"WHY DID PEOPLE REPORT ME!?"

Exactly. Niche anti-meta strats get nerfed out of existence in order to maintain the forced meta. Thank you for only further proving the point.

Exactly this
>Master Yi used to have insanely high AP scaling on his kit
>Well since he's an AD champ, there should be a noticeable benefit to building a hybrid item, so it works on him!
>This just makes people buy full AP anyway and oneshot with his Q.
>This scenario, though technically intended, gets removed because it's "unintended"

Now, this isn't the ONLY scenario mind you. This happened with a couple different characters even in recent patches like On-Hit Neeko, where it took people like 10 patches to realize her W had insane base damage and didnt need to build AP to begin with, and that a burst mage played better as an ADC.
This shit goes as far back as AD Kassadin, where he was intended to be a hyper mobile AD Assassin like Master Yi, but scaled better with AP. It's unbelievable, but really, Kassadin was meant to be AD. Riot forces this garbage beyond belief and it's blatant.

>What is that game, /v?

Clearly not Bloodstained

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TF2 does apply if it's HL and not 6v6.

the fuck is imba?

>then proceed to ban people who play off meta thing like two junglers because it ruins the experience of meta-liking players.

This

On-hit Thresh was sleeper OP in threes.

A Mere 145

>playing competitive in TF2
ah, see, that's the problem.

>It's probably the least true in 2.
It is absolutely the most true in 2. The only way you'd ever think this statement is by not having played PvP in 2, where the Blood Arena was full of wacky cartoon nonsense and the idea of a "Meta" didn't exist, and invaders just use whatever bizarre slapshot build to punish unsuspecting career players, much moreso any rando who gets caught off guard as they hidden weapon/greatscythe or +10 Lightning dagger you to death.

Not with superarmor and basically infinite stamina

It's not.

Because most people like being able to enjoy the game without it folding in half the moment you start exploring your options.

So in your mind not following the strategy your teammates want you to should be a bannable offense? Why not just let the ADC pick the character for his support then?

Tekken 7

>unironically playing comp 6v6

there's your problem

Delusional

Cringe thread?

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Tekken

Monster Hunter

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This. People will cry about "Muh Chun and Yun", but it's not too rare to see Dudleys, Makotos, Yangs, Hugos, and Ibukis up there.

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>half the roster of a two decade old game is still viable or semi-viable, despite all of the characters having vastly different playstyles
It's kind of a miracle, really.

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>Support does more than babysit the ADC
>WAAAAAA BAN HIM

ADC player here, Maybe riot should make it so ADC don't die in two hits so Supports are not glorified babysitters?

Oh wait, the best ADC right now is Ezreal who does exactly that.

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DotA

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First decent post ITT

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Counter-strike is RNG, no way it requires skills.

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I'm not going to bother linking every reply, but this comic presently being dumped is badly-drawn badly-written fetish shit. If your aim was to kill the thread by boring everyone so they leave I think it fucking worked.

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Not Dark Souls 2 or 3. In DS1 metafags meta hard, but unusual builds are often more useful for being unpredictable.

Half of Yea Forums would prefer if all singleplayer games had an optional god mode and 1 hit ko toggle.

Valve way best way.

C&C: Generals

People apparently have no self restraint and can't stop themselves from using broken shit even though they don't want to use broken shit.

Warcraft 3

Off meta shit hasn't been in since S3
S4 forward they crunched in hard and even the Akalis and Kayles of the roster want to pool one or the other because there is no hybrid 'damage,' just useless fucks whose damage gets split hard and who fucking fold to anything with defenses in-kit or built.

I shouldn't have to basically do a challenge run on my first playthrough of a game, if a game encourages me to, for example, minmax my build and get good gear, i don't wanna have to artificially restrict my build to make the game fun.
That's the developers job. It's like telling someone to do a nuzlocke on their first playthrough of a Pokemon game because it's the only way they can be challenging. It's a bad if you NEED to do this.

I want games to present me with a challenge, not create the challenge myself arbitrarily.

Jokes on you shitposter-kun, incest is my favorite fetish. Get fucked idiot.

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Very few games are so easily broken that you just stumble into them in casual play. The vast majority of the time you have invest serious time into become so powerful. Either way, what you are talking about is impossible. Challenging to you might be a cake walk to me and vice versa. They should make the game to their vision and not worry about changing that post release just to please one group.

I'm laughing so goddamn hard what the fuck

Paladins most characters have at least 2 viable playstyles plus the meme build that does work from time to time if the enemy is retarded

melee

>"unsheathes golden tracer"
Pshh nothin personnel havelmom
Other than that most people you invaded had varied builds

Might very well be the best balanced fighting game ever. Unless I missed one?

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You just described PvP in all Souls games. Shitters stick to a "meta" defined by popular streamers, not a lack of balance. Everyone else just makes whatever work.

>The only way you'd ever think this statement is by not having played PvP in 2, where the Blood Arena was full of wacky cartoon nonsense and the idea of a "Meta" didn't exist
What the fuck am I reading? I spent thousands of fights in blood arena, all I ever saw was metaweaponfags, magic builds that worked but only on players who hadn't seen them yet and then trick builds that didn't work if you had anything to counter them like healing spells or used items.

Project M
Dominions

Overwatch

lmao what the fucking hell

>rock paper scissors the shooter
LOL okay user

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...

You're joking right?

It used to be true before tencent.

Guild Wars (2005)

Used to be guild wars 1 and 2(before expansions).
They had the best combat of any mmo no matter what 40k and wow incels say.
Arena net fucked up and hopefully they close soon.

Examples?

>GW2
>anywhere close to GW1 in terms of varied playstyles
have to be braindead to think that

AP Alistar was my personal favorite.

Gragas on the other hand was made into a mage even though his intent was a tank.

Only Guild Wars

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Rocket League ez. every few months someone figures out some new mechanic that makes reading shots that much more difficult. at top level its almost entirely mind games, so its funny to see a pro player occasionally getting annihilated by some shitter because of how unorthodox their aggressive approaches can be.

>user never played engineer back in 2012 playing piano and doing crazy shit with combo fields.
You all missed true complex combat.

>guild wars 1
alright, go on...
>and 2
nigga get the fuck out

I'm sure I can remember a few with all the time i wasted on that game.
>Fizz
>people realize his on hit shred is strong, so they start building him one damage item+full tank and DoT people to death in long fights while escaping with CDR mobility
>riot takes away the health shred entirely

>gragas
>original version had huge AP scaling and would kill late game via a 3 hit ult, barrel charge combo
>riot makes him a tank instead

>karthus
>was never considered op or strong, but some creative players would use teleport+revive in combination with his death defy passive to suicide bomb the enemy team to win fights
>riot removes revive from the game

>AP reksai
>nerfed ratios on Q

>AP tryndamere
>Trynd's Q used to have static 100% AP ratio independent of rage. And spinning slash was 100% as well, so building AP meant a useless early game and a slippery mid game where you could heal your whole bar instantly. Only good for clearing minions since CDs and no crits
>riot makes the AP ratio tied to your rage bar so its useless again

>Varus
>people would go full armor pen flat AD and only use his Q arrow to snipe
>riot nerfs the cooldown and AD items

>Vladimir
>post rework people started running him mostly tank due to the high health ratio on his new E. Vlad has no mobility so hitting the E is already not guaranteed without flash.
>despite AP still being better overall, riot tanks the ratio and nerfs the cooldown.

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>the valve way
>fight broken with broken
The delusion of valve shills.

>comp TF2

This right here is why I gave up the game. I wanted the optional to thrive while Riot only wanted a single optimal path with a few exceptions.

That's actually the blizzard way. In D3 they almost never nerfed anything, just made other things stronger. That how damage done got from 15 million to 200 trillion in a couple of years.

PvE isn't the same as PvP, retard

Super Smash Brothers Ultimate for the Nintendo Switch.

Warframe

yep that's Dota

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>video games are not video games
Fuck off.

Are you retarded? The comic depicts a PvP based scenario and fucking Riot's game is ONLY PvP.

lmfao

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yeah its part of the charm

is this from a "pro" game? why is there a timber fightning a creep skipping axe and why is he tping next to him when he should know that axe has a taunt to cancel it?

There's too much to explain, but long story short, Axe was cutting wave, so he could have TP'd out and healed, but TSaw would have uncontested lane and Axe would not have been there for early XP/CS
Axe decided to use some of his remaining 1/3rd mana to debuff him, and Tsaw assumed that was all the mana he had (didn't check) and decided he was free to TP out back to tower, to which Axe instantly taunted. He then let creeps wail on him to proc CounterHelix and Timber couldn't outpace this

Truly, DotA2 is the wrinkliest of brains

Imagine actually having sex with your mum. No, stop, you're imagining someone else having sex with their mum. Imagine YOU having sex with YOUR mum. Report on your feelings.

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I just wanted to pile on even though everyone has already established your opinion is bafflingly stupid and I don't have much to add.

dota 2. It's one of the few esports with oldschool design philosophies and doesn't have the devs force a meta

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Nothing outs a silver/gold scrublet like calling someone else wood.

I have 9k hours its just that I stopped watching esports after Gaben fucked James over. And the games overall just seemed like brainless clown fiesta that straight up compareable to pubs. These guys not even bothering to check each others mana yea.

>clown fiesta
back to lol with you

Yea the meta is instead forced by twitch zoomers. The game overall is very "balanced" and you can do things that are out of the meta to surprise your opponents. BUT because it is a teamgame it will also surprise your teammates because hey have conditioned themselves to play with only strategies currently played in the esports scene. Or like that sudden nerf to stout shield stacking right after its being used in esports even thought some people have been doing it for decade.

Never played a single match of that game.

>Gaben fucked James over
To be fair, James was given multiple nods and subtle hints by his co-casters to ease off with the racist shit and general irreverence on air, especially when the audience listening is growing and there is no "opt out" option on the streams
If GabeN him-fucking-self has to tell you to your face you're gone, then go on plebbit and tell everyone else why it happened, you know you dun goofed

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behind the scenes James was a cunt
he's also not a Dota personality because he has his own game which was designed to compete against Dota, just not surprisingly failed because he's a shit designer

>tfw friends are getting into tft and it's fun but in just the one patch, it's obvious I bought another ticket to Mr. Rito's wild ride

AAAAH, IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN

his own game? I am waiting for Diabotical but it is an fps

DS3 and Nioh

>behind the scenes
And on the scenes
And on the sideline
And basically anywhere else
The fact that Soe even tried with him shows more to her stupidity than James' "heart of gold" second chance desires

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Tekken 7, objectively the most balanced game

Dota. Every TI has over 100 heroes used in weird and working ways.