What went so, so wrong?

Nothing went wrong at all. :^)

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What are platform fighters

NOOOOOOOOOOOO DELETE THIS

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Gay and retarded, why?

Melee is propped up by a combination of a dedicated group of autists who will never move on and being given favorable times at every single event due to bias. Ultimate is consistently going on past midnight while the final for melee always happens in prime time. Thankfully they're no longer at Evo.

>zoomers are the cause of all problems
Get a fucking life, nerd

Who the fuck watches a video game tournament at all? I don't get it.

you guys watching evo this year?

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...

Too smelly

it's a side event with like under 100 entrants

What a retarded image, what idiot made This? Your charts show all the melee finals happening in primetime around 7 pm, while all the ultimate finals happen around midnight or even later. Here's the thing, when it's midnight on the east coast, it's 3 am on the west coast. That huge chunk of the audience can't watch. Your image tries to justify this fallacy by looking at smash 4 numbers, a completely different game. No one watched smash 4 because it was highly defensive gameplay with boring characters and a stale meta.

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>a dedicated group of autists who will never move on
brawl and sm4sh were garbage. ultimate is good but it's essentially a refined smash 4 which means anyone who played tr4sh has way more experience than curious melee players. every single top 30 player is an ex-top sm4sh player or at least a decent pro.

and don't be mad that melee had a primetime spot when its only competition was sm4sh. that shit always consistently had 1/3 or less the viewers for melee regardless of what event it was at.

Melee is better than tekken. Convince me otherwise

I'm mad that melee is being given every primetime slot now when ultimate clearly has higher potential viewership and more room to grow. Its just bias by the organizers. They want to prop melee up so they give it great times while they shove ultimate to after midnight.

How much viewership will melee have at Evo?

Ultimate has 100x the skillcap than SSBM, despite what meleebabs claim

>hurr hurrr Melee got not at EVO haha smelly melee
>reeeeeee how dare they show Melee in daytime bias bias bias
Don’t you have a mii fighter matchup to deal with?

>fox vs. jigglypuff: the casual party game
>"actual gameplay"
take a shower, smeleefag. you reek.

I think melee has a higher skill cap in terms of just gameplay but there are so many more players in the ultimate competitive scene that you have to be much better to compete in ultimate than melee. To be a top 10 ultimate player you have to be top 10 out of hundreds of thousands while to be a top 10 melee player you gotta be top 10 out o f maybe 2 or 3 thousand people. Its a completely different scale.

He's right. Why aren't you posting the tournaments that had their Melee finals and Ultimate finals side by side? Melee is just Ultimate's pre-show, deal with it stinkypits. :^)

why's Yea Forums hate melee players so much? genuine answers, no stinky memes because those apply to all smash players.

Elitist mindset. Says rude things about other smash games and their players.

but doesnt every ex-smash 4 player say the game was bad? isn't the general Yea Forums consensus even among ultimate players that smash 4 and brawl were boring to play, watch, and only ever had merit as casual games?

Well yes, but there's no need to be a dick about it. I knew Smash 4 was not good but I didn't have to be constantly reminded about it.

I rarely see Melee players shitting on Ultimate, it's more the other way around.

paradigm has shifted.
Now ultimate players are the new stinkies

We need to go deeper.

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I don't understand why they won't move on. Ultimate is not perfect but it's still a great game, with so much new content. Its not like melee is perfect either, jigglypuff is fucking everything up.

>muh gamecube
>muh peak smash bros game

The game is almost 20 years old. How the fuck do people play it when there is no dev support and its already been completely analyzed?

>namedropping SFIII out of nowhere as the high watermark of fighting games competitively

Blatantly obvious you've never played it, SFIII is fun as hell but any game with only 2.5 viable tournament picks (as of 3rd strike) sucks.

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If it ain’t broke

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Its worse than that. The game is horribly broken to the point they are starting to ban the use of certain mechanics or restrict how many times you can use them. Some prominent players have even suggested banning characters.

Pretty sure Armada called the general FGC sheep for keeping up with the most recent release.

Literally mad because bad.

>Community scares off new players before they even get going
>Meta has been cracked for so long the most interesting Melee has been in 3 years was a guy bantzcamping
>Fans are so obnoxious that they ruin other games by proxy
>Nearly every big personality that plays the game and brings in new viewers drop it because of the above

It takes genuine skill and creativity to do well in. You can grind all fucking day against bots like a sperg but still get TRASHED by some dude who can bait you into a pattern that you aren't even aware of.

Nothing at all OP, melee has always been the worst smash and it's finally breathing it's last pathetic breaths. About time too, sm4sh was better than this pile of garbage.

Obnoxious fans. I don't really think about the game at all.

I didn't know melee was the only fighting game conditioning and mind games existed in.

>its midnight on the east coast so its 3am on the west coast
Brainlet

Hungrybox lost to a captain falcon, a pikachu, and then to a fucking yoshi. people are wising up to jigglypuff.

>I don't understand why they won't move on
So you're just mad they won't play your game?

Other games are a joke in comparison

Not him, and I don't really care if they do or not. I'm just baffled how this game can still be fun after all these years of competitive play.

>So you're just mad they won't play your game?
not him but yes. Sakurai poured his heart and soul into ultimate and there is absolutely no reason to play the old games. meleefags need to play ultimate for their own good. continuing to play a shit, glitchy 17 year old game is autistic and extremely disrespectful to ultimate and sakurai. grow up.

>STOP PLAYING OLD GAMES

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>IT-ITS THE ZOOMERS FAULT THEY DONT WANT TO PLAY MY G-GAAAMEEEE THAT WASN’T EVEN MEANT FOR THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!111111

The absolute state of Meleefags.

>name thing that exists in every fighting game like its unique to melee
>but hurr melee do it better
>why does the FGC hate melee players ree

Ultimate is just the better game in 2019, and I say this as someone who shat on Brawl and 4.

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>SFIII tier
ahahaHAHAHA

You meleefags are so pathetic

give me one fucking reason to play melee over ultimate? the smash 4 players quickly got it since they're not mentally handicapped manchildren who know the superior game immediately. but not you. sakurai makes this fantastic game for you. he puts in so much effort into making it the best casual and competitive game. he adds every long-time favorite newcomer that you've been whining about since melee. and you don't play it. you disrespectful little stinky whelp. fuck you.

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There's so much shit that's genuinely hard to do, for every character. The skill ceiling in general is way higher than any other fighting game, then there's the skill ceiling per character on top of that. You are forever learning because you can be amazing at one character and completely trash at another one, the skills barely transfer laterally.

It's simply the deepest fighting game there is.

When did SF3 become the go-to "best fighting game" for people who don't play them?

Lol; Ultimate has all of that tech and more.

Melee is the clunkiest smash to date. So many things are missing in the game compared to Ultimate.

Hell, even 64 plays better. Then again 64 is 2nd best if not the best smash.

Nintendo isn't fucking entitled to my money, what the fuck kind of fanboy asskissing is this?
>How dare you DISRESPECT Sakurai-sama by not playing the newest game!

>Lol; Ultimate has all of that tech and more.

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can someone get this grandpa his party game?

this post is everything wrong with gaming. Fuck you corporate bootlickers. And I'm not even a Melee fan.

>i won't buy anything that isn't a 1:1 copy of melee!!!
honestly fuck you. seriously. i hate you. i hate you and your pathetic ilk of smelee autist fart smelling glitch abusing greisy haired idiots who refuse to move on. i wont rest until you faggots see the light. it's for your own good.

>How dare you DISRESPECT Sakurai-sama by not playing the newest game!
yes the main is literally killing himself working on smash bros and wanted to cater the game especially to melee players this time with all of the new competitive techs and return of directional airdodging. the least you could do was buy it and try it. but no, you're afraid you'd be wrong and actually enjoy it because it's a masterpiece. youd rather play a fucking gamecube game on cancer-inducing 480p CRTs. you probably have tumors making you mentally retarded and unable to appreciate good games anymore. or bathe.

This is hilarious on 2 fronts. First being that you think Melee is 3rd Strike level of good. Second that you think 3rd Strike is in the highest tier of gameplay.

>First being that you think Melee is 3rd Strike level of good
it's not, it's better.

>Second that you think 3rd Strike is in the highest tier of gameplay.
it is regardless of what you think

Zoomers are subhuman, we both know it, and you got triggered because it hit way too close to home for you.

Delusion: The post

To people wondering why melee players get looked down on imagine this. Think if there was someone who still played Super Mario world constantly. You're a bit weirded out and suggest to him he should try some of the newer Mario games, 64, sunshine, Mario Maker, etc. He tells you those games are all shit despite barely if at all ever trying them. He makes it clear he intends to keep playing that single Mario game forever. He's not just waiting for a different game, he is actually satisfied with that one game and has no intention of ever trying anything else. That's how everyone else sees melee players.

I like how you just assumed I played melee and projected all that word vomit on the screen because you're so offended on the behaf of a man you'll never meet and a company that doesn't care about you.
Keep up that blind fanboyism, I'm sure you'll show those big bad meleefags someday!

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Weren't they constantly getting complaints at EVO about how horrible they were to work with/cater to?

Not a competitive Meleefag, but even from a casual perspective, nothing will ever beat the jump from Smash N64 to Melee. Melee to Brawl, Brawl to 4, and 4 to Ultimate didn't have as big of an impact.

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>meleefags are also tranny anime posters.

Would you not to if you had to pull out heavy TV’s for Melee

Plenty of people play Morrowind, Deus Ex, Fallout 1&2, VTMB, etc. without any interest in playing the newer entries in the series. No one gives a shit about them
Why is it ONLY melee that drives temper tantrums about how you NEED to play the new game?

>comparing a competitive game to a single player game
>ignoring that the quality and skillfulness of the games have decreased

If I met someone who still played morrowind and refused to play any of the newer games I would feel the same way.

Since they watched parryman does the thing video

Fitting because turdstrike is absolutely garbage and pales in comparison to SFIV AE and Ultra.

Nigga you haven't even touched SFIII. What the fuck would you know?

Because Melee is objectively inferior to ultimate. Stop playing your glitchy 20 year old meme game that requires 4000 hours of autistic glitch tech practice and come join the rest of the world in a fun game that actually requires though and execution instead of "HURRR I WAVEDASH"

Game is old, the roster is narrowed down to only a few characters being used.
You can only play a game faithfully for so long. And a lot of melee players are playing ultimate and sometimes melee.

Now someone do one with jannie

There's z-wavedashing in Ultimate, user. It's in the game. You do the same inputs, but with Z (grab) instead of shield. Is that a glitch?

It’s an old game. Still fun

There's at least 3 FFXIV threads you can find all the anime tranny posters in, no need to assume it's elsewhere.

Do you ever get tired of being mad about a 20 year old game you know literally nothing about?
PS. Ultimate has wavedashing too. Better stop playing that glitchy shit meme that requires 500000 hours to get good at.

>B-b-but you can wavedash in ultimate
sakurai made airdodges have a shitton of recovery frames when used into the ground specifically to cuck wavecheaters. theres no reason to even wavedash in ultimate because you can do anything out of a dash now. not an argument.

also nice samefag

After spending most of a day fumigating them for roaches of course.

>samefag
>less than a minute between posts

>believing this urban myth

>neckbeard modders make the best in the series

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>midnight on the east coast, it's 3 am on the west coast

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Take your heart meds, Earl

>they faked an incoming lawsuit to make some shitty F2P clone
slap city wasn't free but it still did better

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Same 3 or 4 dudes win with the same characters every day.
Watch one tournament and you've watched them all.

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I thought it was icons

You can say the same for Ultimate

it's not like zoomers existing made the boomers supporting melee go away. the game is just dead

post the full image

You really can't.

Why not

>arguing about two successful games
neither are dying anytime soon, melee is distinct enough to have people want it around forever and ultimate is the fancy new one with a billion characters. The only current fight game in danger of being ded is SCVI, because Tekken is doing better than expected and nobody really wanted to branch out into it. Small roster hurt too.

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>Faked
nintendo already silently took measures against it. they got in touch with a bunch of TOs and said they'd lose their nintendo sponsorshop if PM was featured. then they made twitch outlaw anyone with a sub button from streaming it. it was definitely on nintendo's radar, i don't blame them for getting spooked or just wanting to make their own game. sucks icons was garbage.

Ultimate's accessibility practically allows for more upsets in the tournament scenes with different players and characters winning top spot. Melee has just gotten to the point where accessibility is just pointless because you'll never be able to reach the top spot.

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Zain?

it was icons
i was talking about how icons did worse than slap despite the former being free

Skill in Smash 4 directly translates to skill in Ultimate. 9/10 top ultimate players have been playing sm4sh since it came out.

We finally got a Smash game that most players can agree on as being generally superior. If we'd gotten something like Ultimate (or even 4) after Melee instead of Brawl, Melee would have been relegated to the side almost immediately.

3rd strike sucks dick and so do all smash games

>smellee finally dead

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to be a top ten Melee player you have to play the game for over a decade.

Zain joined in 2014

neckbeard weebs playing Ultimate and shitting themselves, who knew

>muh broken in glitchable controllers
>muh crusty low-res Spongebob Squarepants CRT televisions

Gee, I wonder why tournament organizers might think Meleefags are a pain in the ass to work with.

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*ahem*

FUCK SAKURAI AND FUCK NINTENDO

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>weeb poster
>bad post
pottery

>anime post
>pure unadulterated truth

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Smash is better

That is because Slap City is based and Fun, unlike Icons.

'Melee was the most broken so its the best!'

youtube.com/watch?v=JpOaQxrsaqI&t=0s
Melee
vs
Ultimate
youtube.com/watch?v=8nsiIOaBXzI

Has the Melee meta gotten stale yet? I mean the game is like 18 years old with no patches or anything. I would think it would be played out at this point.

Nope, and more and more people continue to start playing it. You can enjoy all of the games, most game series don't have people autistically hating each other based on what game they mainly play.

>Here's the thing, when it's midnight on the east coast, it's 3 am on the west coast.

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based

The fucking state of ultimatefags

How will Ultbabies ever recover

People somehow expected other people WITHOUT autism to watch people play with their purple sandwich for twenty years straight. The prime years for watching or getting into melee was 2013-2017. "Wobbling" was the first of terrible things to come. Once every lame trick in the book for all of the S tier characters was encouraged, while banning any other possible variable that dared to challenge a players skill because of "random luck" (learning the level), and became the same matches over and over, nobody gave a shit anymore. The community turned into speedrunner tier quality within a year. This is what happens when you spend your time that should have been spent showering and applying deoderant on frame perfect true combos.

But dude you are sperging out and I like didn’t read man take a shower

Have you ever thought that maybe people are tired of watching the same damn game/gameplay/moves for the past 18 years?

At this point people the Melee meta is so developed and well-known that (most) people watch for the personalities and narratives. This gives it more niche appeal but it does mean that it will probably continue to stick around even when interest in newer meta-games begins to wane.

>this is your brain on ultimate

Thus, I am the sperg, and thus I know what I'm talking about.

Third Strike has way more character diversity in Japanese tournaments because i think those guys are still playing it and have just moved beyond it. That recent 5v5 tournament i saw way more ibukis, makotos, and yangs than kens.

>2nd clip is a shiek edge stalling
Dropped

Maybe watch the Sheik get rekt, or continue living in your brainlet sm4.5sh world

>Boomer game

Op is a retard and should hang himself

Memes and FGCfags (also memes). Seething over melee for its entire existence is Yea Forums culture.

I cannot name a single game that is as rent-free in anons heads as melee.

wrong

>Wanting to play Smash as a fighting game
>Not playing it as a party game

What the fuck?

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I'm glade you put arrows to where I need to focus.

Not bad.

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YY-MM-DD
Brainlet 3rd worlder

Despite the sales numbers and high number of entrants at tournaments like EVO, it feels like Smash in general is declining. The era of Melee, PM, and Smash 4 caused a flood of enthusiastic new players for the scene, but now Melee continues to decline, while Ultimate somehow has no new blood, and little passion for the game. It feels like roster warriors are truly the only people who care about Smash anymore.

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more like nintendo is slow as shit at releasing patches/info, hero got announced a fucking month ago.

plenty of people care about smash, just not competitively. competitive players could literally all drop dead and nintendo wouldnt notice a single difference in their profit margins

>while Ultimate somehow has no new blood
Take a look at Sparg0, or Prodigy, or Zackray, or LeoN, and tell me that none of these are new blood. And that is only counting the current people with top-level blowout potential just yet; so long as the game lives, new ones will rise out of the massive pool of people who have purchased the game and play lowish levels yet.

ShareX uses YY-MM-DD to sort faster you brainlet nigger.

so is catherine every year yet its always my favorite part

>a lot less input lag
>faster
>better dash dancing
>better spot dodge
>better air dodge
>wavedashing
and i still prefer Ultimate
input lag is horrible though

Input lag is the biggest reason I don't fucking touch Ultimate. I bought it, felt that shit, and regretted getting the fucking thing digitally. I play on a fucking HDCRT TV and it still feels fucking off.

its fun if you just play it for fun. the variety of characters is reason enough to play it. just stop trying to play the game at some tryhard competitive level

you play ultimate on a crt?

How do we fix the Gen Z?

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>working during the weekend it's going on
I should invest in a portable battery so I can at least catch CTB & Samsho while they're going on. I'll definitely catch Ultimate, Tekken, and SFV at the very least, and I'm going to keep my nose to Eventscrubs to make sure I'm there for all the reveals.

I just want my inputs to be correct. I'm not trying to be win a competition, but when I play anything and feel a simple action be off simply because that's the way the game is it gets a little annoying because it's not like recovery frames it's just the game itself taking too fucking long.
Yes, big ass bulky flat screen CRT

The absolute state of seething samefagging smelees oh my shit

I don't know how to show (you)s on Yea Forums X but one of them can, calling samefag is just asking to get btfo

Tourneys are already a shaky deal, but when you had devs entering and frequently placing high, that's just not a good look. It's shitty but a bit understandable if Nintendo did indeed actually take issue with PM.

Not as bad as Melee got btfo of EVO tho :)

Anybody born past 2007 cannot be saved, for they have been glued to an iPad or mobile phone constantly since they were two years old

gas

>t. Millennial zoomer that only started posting on Yea Forums after 2012
Old Yea Forums shat on Smelees harder then any other site. Used to make jokes about how they would make GameCube controllers sound like crabs in mating season, and how it was the closest they would get to mating in general

you probably never understood why a crab was thrown at HBox right

>18 years old
>relevant until recently
it's hella old, call me if Ultimate is still a thing in a decade

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>SFIII tier
So crouching normals into super arts: the game?

pure soul

since the most popular figure in the FGC said it's the best fighting game ever

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Daigo parry

dagger

how will meleefags ever recover

It's 18 years old.

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CHINGER CHAGGER

She is coming to Ultimate to end Melee once for all.

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Ultimate combos are just sad to watch
they even included a Palutena nair combo... wtf

maximillian pepe when?

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Hungrybox is coming to kill your game zoomers

Fucking hate Ultimate the game is so random there's no real comboing no jump momentum seems like every tournament winner is a different person no consistency a literal who can come out of nowhere and win a major. Smash 4 was more entertaining than this crap. The game is almost too balanced, which makes it ultimately boring.

Man this is so full of contradictions you must be some sort of bad troll

bait

Was literally going to post this.

Rather fucking play EX2 plus than 3. Only fairweather fighting game fags namedrop TS.

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It's a solved game. Barring a few upsets, it's not very fun to watch since you can usually guess the outcome just by knowing which characters were chosen.

Call me a troll retards but their are 3 different tournaments going on right now and all of them have completely different characters in their top 8. The games is inconsistent as fuck.

>comparing SFIII to Melee

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And Daigo actually prefers Super Turbo to Third Strike anyway.

>Posting nigger Stalin

Autistic stinky nerd trying to pull us boomers to his side ... go take a shower

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Ultimate is the most popular nu-Smash has ever been though? Melee is the one that's declining rapidly since it gets no viewers unless when upsets happen.

there's a major tournament happening right now with 8k viewers