Just saying that Silent Hill 4 is best game from franchise after Silent Hill 2

the premise was great but the the backtracking through reused locations escorting a cripple while being chased by invincible ghosts was pretty annoying

>I don’t know pal.
I do.
1>3>2>4

This game doesn't really feel rushed so why was it so adamant of reusing every area besides the hospital? To make you feel more trapped?

Origins is THE absolutely worst "Silent Hill" game ever created. No buts.

>This game doesn't really feel rushed
But it does?
It came out a mere year after 3, and devs have stated that it was a development hell.

This guy gets it

Origins is amazing. A miracle of a game that was basically made in a year under immense pressure. Probably the greatest reboot-and-salvage ever.

>Origins is amazing
Amazingly shitty, and a complete lore-rape for the original classics.

> Probably the greatest reboot-and-salvage ever.
you have terrible standards, and have clearly not ever heard of Metal Gear Rising.

Metal Gear Rising is a mediocre 4 bour long 100% linear hack and slash game.

Origins is a survival horror masterpiece. Also one of the greatest prequels in gaming.

why do people shit on origins and downpour this hard? to this day I dont understand.

The answer is "Japan worshipping fanboys". If Origins had been a Team Silent game nobody would have questioned its status.

Notice how Resident Evil 0 doesn't attract anywhere near the level of vitriol?

It's a huge shame Vatra's planned PC port of Downpour was canned by Konami. I think the game would have been far more appreciated without the technical issues of the console versions.

FACT: 3 and 4's OST's could be separated from the game and the members could make more music inspiried by the game.

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>Metal Gear Rising is a mediocre 4 bour long 100% linear hack and slash game.
That BTFO of 0rigins in every single way, including in the fact of being a salvaged project that was about to go under.

>Also one of the greatest prequels in gaming.
Please stop insulting Silent Hill, vidya, and life. Kys.

>I think the game would have been far more appreciated without the technical issues of the console versions.
The technical issues were just a final nail in the coffin. The whole game was just lazy and generic cashgrab, and an insult towards the IP.

>why do people shit on origins and downpour this hard?
Because they are absolute garbage?

Project harder.
SH4 was made by TS, and some delusional morons still bash its balls after 15 years.

>Notice how Resident Evil 0 doesn't attract anywhere near the level of vitriol?
No, because you clearly have not lurked enough if you can do such bullshit statements. 0 is despised with passion.

Origins is one of the best Silent Hill games. Deal with it.

Also, how was Downpour a lazy and generic cash grab? It was a bold new experimental direction for the series.

RE0 is not despised. It's just seen as inferior to REMAKE. SH0 attracts hatred despite being vastly superior to SH1.

>Origins is one of the best Silent Hill games. Deal with it.
Origins is Silent Hill only on paper, and on the same shit-tier level as The Movie, which clearly inspired and twisted it into the thing it is. A project that should not have happened.

>Also, how was Downpour a lazy and generic cash grab?
If you need to ask such rhetorical questions, you are part of the problem.

>bold new experimental direction
you call already generic Alan Wake x The Evil Within clone with shit gameplay and writing "bold" ?

>RE0 is not despised.
When was the last time you even lurked in a RE thread? Seriously?
It is CONSTANTLY rated as the worst classic RE games. Some extremists even rate it below 4-6.

>It's just seen as inferior to REMAKE
No, it is very often seen as inferior to EVERYTHING, period. A shit game with pretty face.

>SH0 attracts hatred despite being vastly superior to SH1.
Okay, now I must ask you to kill yourself.
There is no bigger insult on this planet than calling THE biggest fuck up, Origins, "superior" to the SH1, which is the GREATEST survival-horror game ever created,

Origins is an elegant prequel to SH1 with very few plot issues despite some horrific inherited bullshit from Climax LA. It looks like Silent Hill, plays like Silent Hill, and tells an authentic Silent Hill narrative.

It also BTFOs the "the fire was an accident" idiots.

Downpour predates The Evil Within, and was likely a strong influence on it and TEW2.

Origins has better writing, art design, gameplay, and music than SH1. It's the best kind of prequel.

>I like 4!
4 is good.

>> 4 > 1 > Shattered Memories > 3
*retch*

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Shattered Memories is in a whole other class because it's the only Silent Hill with actually good gameplay.

The on horror parts maybe but the game stops being remotely scary after you're second chase and you realise you're 100% safe as long as the scenery isn't frozen solid. Even the first SH figured out that the Fog World can't be 100% safe at all times even though it's the "normal" one.

How can anyone prefer 1 over 2? I really enjoyed the second game but I really don’t think I’ll ever finish SH1. It’s just not a good experience in so many ways.

Wow, imagine....

>Origins has better writing,
absolutely not.
>art design,
you would not even get selected as an nominee for art-school applicants with that level of art know-how.
>gameplay,
literally as terrible if not worse than SH4
>and music than SH1
if you're deaf, perhaps.

>How can anyone prefer 1 over 2?
Because it is scarier, larger, better paced, more challenging, and all around grander adventure, with no weak low points. The first 5 minutes alone destroy majority of all other horror games.

SH1 is literally cream of horror genre.
SH2 is just "so deep!" experience.

Whilst i wouldn't use the phrase "worse than", i do prefer 3 over 2.

I tried SH4 once a long time ago; I really liked the concept, but that camera movement was so annoying, and the dialogues were kind of bad. I’m thinking of giving it another try though. Can someone post that SH guide picture?

Sure:

SH1 NTSC DDL:
mega.nz/#!bVUCTJzD!PmnPw4S7fWGyvTjw9S0-RQdk7rRp2BQNuXJqRkZCZvk

SH2 DDL:
mega.nz/#!rFcj1SIJ!47JH9M4OrzmQKuaiJ6IqUgmgz_SVNtk4LIYNSa-D-_8

SH2 torrent:
mega.nz/#!bYcEnbhC!rYnhvcJiRC46T6yExS0Y61JHZ-5N3WxFvfZMI8xbyhE

>SH2 PC fixes site:
widescreenfix.townofsilenthill.com/SH2/
>tl;dr how to install this shit video tutorial + bare essentials pack:
youtu.be/fFVwI487ORo

SH3 DDL:
mega.nz/#!2JNkgJ7b!nfPf5cIs6I5K-sdAs7RcnHvGA2hAvIGdpQuIoBhF3iE

SH3 torrent:
mega.nz/#!GVVGRLpD!SyklVbuLIkc38ZYji5QL3sWHKtHt9-Bto700My8pH7c

SH4 DDL:
mega.nz/#!Us1XTaII!cglH0dZOaH5yQEm4cnEh3eyUz4bIf6rACQqcVzkb4Hc

Mount the ISOs of 2 & 3, and then run their installers like always.
DON'T use W10's own virtual disc app! Don't install under C:\Program Files\ !
The SH1 is a PS1 rip that you gotta emulate.

All the info & links you'll ever need:
pastebin.com/6B3qZs4S

Follow the SH2 widescreen fix site's instructions to the teeth, and you should be fine.
For 3 & 4, check the Guide.

>Protips:
Play the games in release order, and don't play on Easy mode.
Multiple playthroughs per game is very recommended.
Lower the in-game Brightness, crank up volume.
Turning OFF flashlight helps a ton!

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>scarier
these games aren’t scary at all, they are all about atmosphere, and SH2 does it a lot better imo
>larger
SH2 was big enough. I haven’t finished SH1 though
>better paced
I don’t agree with this at all. There are these bits in SH2 where you meet different characters with their own stories, and it makes you feel somewhat comfortable to talk to another person after what you’ve been through. And these bits happen actually when you’re might be getting tired of exploring. In SH1 though, you barely get that.
>more challenging
I don’t care about “muh challenge” in these games. The combat isn’t why I like them at all.

Thanks user

SH4 is dogshit

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>these games aren’t scary at all, they are all about atmosphere
Which is terrifying AF.
SH2 is just too tame and whispering to do much.

>SH2 was big enough
it was limited as fuck compared to the original, with way less actual variation between areas. Not to mention practically no optional segments.

>I don't agree with this at all
Your loss. Out of personal experience and from lurking SH threads and forums for nearly 2 decades now, I *KNOW* that especially the beginning section, up to the Rosewater park, is just a tedious slog. It becomes borderline intolerable during replays, but I have seen it totally kill many newbies' buzz on their first run as well.

>In SH1 though, you barely get that.
Says a child who has not even finished the game.
The scale and stakes of SH2's story are minuscule compared to 1's grand epoch of plot and backstory. The whole world of SH1 is filled with bits and pieces of what has been going down in the past, which actually may end up altering the outcome a bit.

>I don’t care about “muh challenge” in these games. The combat isn’t why I like them at all.
The fact that you think that "challenge" equals "combat" just underlines your naivety. On the flip side, I would also argue that if an implied survival-horror game lacks the thread of dying, it is quite a failure. And SH2 not only lets you off way too easily, bu you also LITERALLY cannot die on Beginner difficulty.
That's not even touching on the fact of how braindead the puzzles of 2 are, unless you play on Hard mode.

Reminder that just a few years ago this franchise was nearly hijacked by the most inexplicably successful talentless hack of all time, almost got its most popular installment to date because of a cult of personality, complete with a typo in the fucking title of the game, it would have been unbearably pretentious absolute trash with no connections to the source material and the franchise's new mastermind would have been solidified in the minds of the public to always have been the person responsible for creating Silent Hill. You're glad the series is dead. It deserved to die in peace and it did.

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1 has better enemy design and variety which makes just playing it feel better overall IMO. I also didn't really care for the few walking sections in 2, or escorting Maria. Though I still love 2, but 1 is just my favorite.

1 > 2 = 3 > 4 = Origins > Shattered Memories

Haven't played the rest.

t. konami

It's literally a walking and door-opening simulator and the action parts are the worst in the series. One of the lamest things is that it completely seperates action from exploration, so you never feel any tension in the latter sections. Your definition of 'a whole other class' fits only that it is much worse than the rest of the games.

>The whole world of SH1 is filled with bits and pieces of what has been going down in the past
Yeah, and that's why I think SH1 benefits the most from being replayed. You don't learn much about Alessa until later in the game, which makes replaying it feel very differently during the earlier parts. I think anyone who says 1 is just about the cult only played the game once, or maybe just didn't pay attention to everything else that was going on to appreciate it.

You do realize you're referring to a company that loves money so much that they sold out the fans of literally all of their franchises because gambling law loophole dodging machines make more profit, right? Imagine a company like that getting to publish a game that sells to Kojimafags instead of Silent Hill fans. It would have been free money.

Silent Hill 1: Good build up of environmental horror to the very end
Silent Hill 2: Beginning is overly long and tedious. Takes a while to get really good and then it's over.
Silent Hill 3: Really awesome special effects. Still looks pretty good be previous gen standards despite being two gen old by this point.
Silent Hill 4: Needs a tank controls mod.

>Silent Hill 4: Needs a tank controls mod.

pretty sure you can change the control settings to that, senpai

I agree 100%.
Hell, I've even seen evidence indicating that some SH1-bashers never even truly played it. They just jumped straight to SH2, the poster-boy game of the series, since it's "prettier" to look at and it's the game everyone talks about, and leave it at that. It's even worse if said people then watched the terrible Movie, and think that it's an accurate representation of SH1's story and themes.

>game was about to return back to Japan and into Konami's studios
>Kojima is good friends with most ex-TS personnel, who were going to make a return
>Owned one of the most cutting edge engines and people capable of using it
>Already stated that he's too much of a chicken to really guide making of horror, so the team would have to make do on their own
>fucking Junji Ito and Del Toro on board as well
Anyone bashing Hideo and failing to see the potential of Silent Hill's glorious return through the Silent Hills is a naive lost soul himself.

No, you literally cannot.

>The on horror parts maybe but the game stops being remotely scary after you're second chase and you realise you're 100% safe as long as the scenery isn't frozen solid.
Deliberate decision by Climax because they wanted to make more of a point and click style game. Tomm Hulett suggested to Sam Barlow that they place some ambient threats in Silent Hill, but Barlow wouldn't be moved.

Kojima is good friends with absolutely no one but himself. He doesn't let a team do anything purely on their own because he needs to inject his own mental diarrhea everywhere so he could technically be responsible in order to omit names from the credits. That restarting simulator would have been the most pretentious and nonsensical cringe ever produced with 3d scanning and zero art direction. It wouldn't even have had Akira Yamaoka's music because that name would have been too recognizable and might have overshadowed the great leader.
And the game wasn't returning to Japan. It never left. SH 1-4 are the only games in the franchise.

It's kinda weird because nobody plays a classic point and click game like Dark Seed or I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream and says, "You know what this needs? Monsters trying to kill you." Combat in point and click games was almost universally detested whenever developers tried shoehorning it in. Maybe there's some kind of issue with audience expectations? Most of the people upset over Shattered Memories not having combat or threats probably never played a point and click adventure game in their life. They're the reason that a lot of games just shoehorn in combat. Remember that amazing horror game The Nameless Game for DS? It was never officially released outside Japan because playtesters complained that all you could do was run away from the monsters, and that nothing could hurt you if you opened up your DS inside the game. They wanted guns.

>Even the first SH figured out that the Fog World can't be 100% safe at all times even though it's the "normal" one.
Narratively, in SM is 100% safe. Any danger is an illusion. Throwing in monsters trying to "hurt" Harry wouldn't make much sense since the monsters are only trying to hug Harry and comfort him.

3>2=1>The rest

Silent Hill 3 was just copying what 1 and 2 did and fails at both

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Is that really why Nanashi no Game never got localized? Brb, punching a hole in my wall.

3 is my favorite just for the amazing soundtrack. I like to listen to it when working out!!!FACT!!! youtu.be/yfJAooq3mTg

The actual order is:
1 = 2 > 4 > SM > 3 > Homecoming > Origins = Downpour

it's 1 > 3 > 4 > 2 > SM > origins > downpour > homecoming

Why do you like 4 so much? Story is laughable, no puzzles, limited inventory, only one good enemy design, bizarre sound design, brain dead protagonist, brain dead antagonist, makes you replay dungeons with companion, while her health is actually important for the ending. Is there anything good about it?

> 4 > 2

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silent hill 2 gave me nausea at its best and made me want to fall asleep at its worst all because of its fucking camera that fights against the controls
yet I specifically remember enjoying sh4

>its fucking camera that fights against the controls
i think every sh had that problem.

What did you feel when you hit patient monster in the hospital's exit ladder, so it fall and made burping sound at every step?

Puzzles are a pointless element of Silent Hill games shoehorned in to discourage rentals and also make brainlets feel smart in a relatively pre-internet era.

It has too mant flaws

Pros
>immortal ghosts are spooky as hell
>apartament hauntings are fucking kino
>combat system is the least clunky in the main series
>the whole plot about the sacrifices and Walter was great and memorable

Cons
>map draws itself, taking away the feeling of being lost for a while until you find a map
>absence of cool gimmicks like the radio, so there is no strategy and decisions around combat
>absence of flashlight. Mainly because stage illumination is very poorly made, there are no tones
>huge lack of fire weapons
>huge lack of bosses
>huge lack of puzzles. No puzzle difficulty level. There are only 3, and the game literally spoonfeeds you how to solve them.
>half of the game is an escort mission
>stage design is one of the worse I've ever played in a horror game. The forest is the best example. It is so linear and shallow
>obnoxious backtracking. It gives you the feeling you are playing an unfinished game
>Henry is probably the worst protagonist of a main SH. He is just an unlucky guy who was the main character just because he was there. He has 0 relationship with the background story. So symbolism around main character is totally forgotten here.
Anyway, I loved SH4 and I love the way you love it despite of its flaw

>>Henry is probably the worst protagonist of a main SH. He is just an unlucky guy who was the main character just because he was there. He has 0 relationship with the background story. So symbolism around main character is totally forgotten here.
I'd argue that "main character has a secret connection to the other characters" is a bad Japanese story trope when you really get down to the brass tacks of it. A lot of Japanese writers struggle with the idea of "normal person in the wrong place at the wrong time" and feel compelled to make the protag SPECIAL in some way.

I didn't mind that, if anything it was kinda funny
just the controls in the streets when it's very aggressively fighting against the camera, what a shitshow

Also seemed like it was trying to copy DMC by making Heather taunt the monsters sometimes. It really felt all over the place with no real direction. It wasn't an entirely bad game though, and it still did some things very well, but just doesn't feel up to par with 1 and 2.

>immortal ghosts are spooky as hell
Flying hobos and one grandma, only on the second route ghost are good and different.
>apartament hauntings are fucking kino
Can kill you, while you waking up in your bed
>combat system is the least clunky in the main series
even if it's true, it's nonachievement.
>Walter was great and memorable
how? he's just looks like Kurt Cobain and that's all. And plot wasn't about sacrifices, it's about walter being dumb and having mommy issues.
>map draws itself, taking away the feeling of being lost for a while until you find a map
Wait, how is it a bad thing? It's best feature of the room, you can't miss maps now.
>so there is no strategy and decisions around combat
What strategy? You're just running away from monsters.

>feel compelled to make the protag SPECIAL in some way.
I don't want them to make Henry special, he's already very special boy, just make him interesting, make a story relevant to him and not just a fucking observer. I hate plot in sh3, but at least in that game every character had something going on. Claudia did her thing, cause she abused by her father, Douglas lost his son,so he wanted to help Heather, Harry was afraid what Heather wasn't actually a Cheryl.

OP is a contrarian and smells like farts.

>liking 2 is being contrarian

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Liking 4 is beyond contrarian and you know that's what I meant, it's literally the worst game ever made. Keep sucking your farts though.

he likes two more, so he's fine. And sh3 fans prefer farts more, did you see all that heather's arts?

fucking weebs.

Thats a lot of BS.

>literally the worst game ever made
You need to be 18 to be on this site

I'm 27 and I've played games through all my life, Silent Hill 4 is literally the worst game ever made, sorry if it was your first game and you have some twisted nostalgia over it forever tainting your taste.

did you play Rule of Rose?

>he likes Homecoming

how can it be the worst game you've ever played when sh2 is worse than 4

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No.
I didn't play any Silent Hill after 4 because it was so shit, but there is no way the newer titles can be any worse since SH4 is an unfinished game that wasn't even meant to be a SH game, the newer games might be mediocre but at least they are real video games.
Suck your farts, that's right.

Did you play Nier Automata?

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Literally play more video games.

are you telling him to play more shitty games, so he could appreciate fucking SH4?

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2 is stupidly overrated. 1>=3>4>2

> >=3

How is two overrated? It has most dramatic and adequate plot in games.

You first, I've played more games now than you'll lineage ever will, eat your fucking farts.

It's okay but its not really fun to play.

Read Henry's analysis in this guide please, maybe it will change your mind about him: gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/198641-silent-hill/faqs/36931

Did youtube also recommend you the slavtalk thing?
Just found out about that plot analysis yesterday because of it

i don't see how any other sh games are fun to play.

sh3 is way worse to play, and its thanks to these fucking dickshits

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The crack for Silent Hill 2 doesn't seem to be in the download.

No, I've read it first like 15 years ago. Also slav linked an old version of this guide.

>SilentPyramid

Oh, no, somebody translated that fucking cancer.

>Henry's colors are white and light blue. Accordingly, these are usually regarded as colors of purity (or death - in Asian cultures). White has a meaning in many religions (color of the final sacrifice?).

Fuck, i wish that game was about shy asocial person, who's getting over his escapist nature, but it's not.

Also, don't read that shit, it's filled with reaching and bullshit. I mean,
> Accordingly, Townshend is full of this Wisdom\Love\Altruism

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This. It was never about 'good' gameplay, everything was done in service to the story and atmosphere. SH2 gets all the love because it didn't compromise on that, where SH1/3/4 just throw enemies at you constantly - though SH3 did it slightly better by making it more of a strategy to avoid them, where in SH1 it just feels like a hassle.

I'd rather stick with it, then be an average fan, believing that Laura is not real and Samael is punishing people for their sins.

you're alright user

>Walking Simulator Memories
>not absolute last
kek

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>I'd rather stick with it
why? it's full of shit

>Laura is not real
What, you needed that Plot Analyses to understand that?

>Samael is punishing people for their sins.
People thinks town is punishing people, not Samael.(well, cause most people didnt play SH1) But SilentPyramid is wrong about Samael anyway. Samael was just Dahlia's lie.

completely based

>why? it's full of shit
there's a lot of reaching there but it's absolutely on point about main things.
>Samael was just Dahlia's lie.
She believed in him tho.

Silent Hill 2 is the best SH for not having anything to do with the cringey cult story.

I guess I'm not supposed to play it

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>She believed in him tho.
no, she didn't.
>it's absolutely on point about main things.
like what?

Literally get a life

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All three in the original trilogy are good. 1 is dated but still fun to play. 2 is ok to play but does not have a quarter of the narrative depth attributed to it to. it's good but it's not the citizen Kane of gaming.

3 kicks ass. It is the most playable, has the best atmosphere, is a direct sequel to 1 in a creative way, and is actually scary. Heather is a great protagonist and the other characters are more like real characters. the ending is weak, that's its biggest flaw

>no, she didn't
her whole motivation was to bring upon the end of the world by summoning him. there's even an icon of Samael in "other church".
>like what?
like the main plot and mechanism of the games.

>upon the end of the world by summoning him.
But he wasn't named Samael. That's the point.

>like the main plot and mechanism of the games.
Elaborate, what did he explained right?

Point and Click Lite > Whatever the fuck classic Silent Hill gameplay is supposed to be.

>But he wasn't named Samael. That's the point.
The end boss is a mishmash of Alessa's delusions, but mainly it's what Dahlia calls Samael, hence why it's in Alessa's head. It doesn't really have a name, since it's not a real demon or anything.
>Elaborate, what did he explained right?
the stuff about psychic energy and everything that is happening is based on it.

Shattered Memories is literally the only game in the series without glaring flaws. Every other Silent Hill has something serious wrong with its core game design. Shattered Memories is polished and cohesive and does exactly what it set out to do. IIRC, what happened is that Sam Barlow or one of the other Climax devs handed his non-gaming girlfriend a controller and asked her to play one of the older SH games. Probably SH2. She stopped playing the moment you had to mash X like a retard to beat monsters to death. This inspired him to trick Konami into allowing him to remove combat entirely from the game because it is the element that ruined every Silent Hill before it. The replacement wasn't perfect, but less than perfect is still better than absolute dogshit.

This is your subjective opinion. I find SM a chore to play, while really enjoying older SH titles.

Whether you enjoy older Silent Hill titles or not has no bearing on their mechanical design being shit. They were always shit, and the defense force has always argued that they were shit on purpose.

you don't need it it's included in enhanced edition
>enhanced.townofsilenthill.com/SH2/#installEnhancedEXE

>The end boss is a mishmash of Alessa's delusions, but mainly it's what Dahlia calls Samael,
talking about delusions. Dahlia uses name samael only when she lies to Harry and never again. Even SH3 doesn't use that name.

>the stuff about psychic energy and everything that is happening is based on it.

But he's overdoing it, he's trying to explain every little thing by connecting it to the characters. His creature's analysis is dumbest thing ever.

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lack of guns in SH4 was a good thing imo. having a shotgun with 80 shells and a rifle with 50 more in SH2 felt a little silly

this
in SH3 it felt even more BS

>SM is shit, SHIT!
> SM is fine, cause it don't use terrible mechanics in gameplay, like old series.
>don't you dare to tell me how to feel about games i liked! Disgusting, DISGUSTING!

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I find a terrible mechanics. What now? I guess your opinion > my opinion.

>"you should play more games"
>get rekt by me telling I've played more games than you ever will
>"get life" backpedal comment
Literally swallow some farts.

>let me blame you for doing something what i was doing

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it's a long shot but does anyone have this track without footsteps?
youtube.com/watch?v=R0Hikr41mLA

I wouldn't say it's the best, but I think it's underappreciated.

Though, I can completely understand why people think it's not an SH game, I still think it's a great game.

funny how each game's theme song has been better than the last
Room of Angel > You're not here > Theme of Laura > Theme of Silent Hill

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1 has so many areas that by the time I got to the end of 2 I though I was only halfway through the game. 1 is the only game that makes you feel like you're exploring the town

>ranking origins so low
Yea Forums genuinely has bad taste huh?

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let me guess bro
your favorite game is sh3?

no, but keep trying you will name one eventually.

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I'm in this boat

>literally "We don't use the word fun"
You are everything wrong with video games. The first 4 games were fun to play and had something unique in their own way that made it so.

he's not talking about "fun", he's saying game mechanics of those games were clunky and bad, you still can have fun with those and even defend them by saying
>I LIKED IT, SO IT'S GOOD!

>has heather images saved
clearly lying

I like images of cute girls from bad games.

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I really liked it, but
>the cannonball attack ghost in prison tower
>the burping sounds that one enemy made
were pretty bad design choices imo
the ghosts in general weren't really scary and were a bad addition

SH3 is my favorite SH and I have as many Heather images saved as I have Eileen images.