How do we save Final Fantasy?

Ignore XIII, XIV, 1.0 and ARR, and XV. Take Ishikawa and Soken from XIV. Stop announcing games way in advanced till they have an idea set in stone.

It’s too far gone

Bring back Sakaguchi.
Kitase back to a dev role.
Nomura back to a side role

Bring the serie back to the roller coaster of emotions it was back then. The unexpected humour after serious part of the story and vice and versa was a great part of FF success.

Just make fantasy again and stop with the futuristic twink shit

>stop starting projects that need 10 years to complete

this is why 7R is being split and people are still complaining
I think it's more important they don't announce shit way too early

>fire money machine

lmao

again?

Worked for everything else so far.

It already sounds amazing based on the confirmed info
> three key FFXIV staff members are all working on the game, Battle designer Gondai, Director Takai (of other notable SE projects, not FFXIV, though he contributed), and Scenario writer Maehiro (who also worked on all of Matsuno's Ivalice games)
> It will bring back Traditional FF style Turn-Based combat
> 100 % Fantasy setting without much Machinery & absolutely no Mecha
> Naoki Yoshida the director of Final Fantasy XIV & all of it's expansions, is the lead director of Final Fantasy 16

At that point just play Dragon Quest or Bravely Default.

>Bring back Sakaguchi

God no, his games have been absolutely awful. Lost Odyssey and Last Story were bad.

>still complaining
well duh, being given bits and pieces certainly doesn't make it complete

when it comes to 7R, most people weren't even asking for a full blown remake in the first place, they really just wanted a clean remaster (maybe with some extra content) that didn't look like someone modded the original

Had shit like time-travel to tech and airships and shit forever.

I would buy another FF IV remake so i guess you are right

>Allow Nomura to do limited character design OR combat design
>under no circumstance is he to direct the project

Congratulations the project will now take less than 7 years

>> It will bring back Traditional FF style Turn-Based combat
>> 100 % Fantasy setting without much Machinery & absolutely no Mecha

sounds terrible

>Naoki Yoshida
>director who wants to only play it safe and never push boundries
>amazing
What a great joke

Ask FromSoft

Seething, kill yourself Barry
Worked with Final Fantasy VII, it played it safe & is now universally considered the 3rd best RPG of all time

bring back pre-rendered backgrounds

bring back people standing in a line and taking turns

7 did not play it safe at all, fuck are you on about?

the fuck is Barry?

Lost Oddysey was mediocre but the Last Story was pretty nice
Doesn't mean he wouldn't be good at making FF games.

>> 100 % Fantasy setting without much Machinery & absolutely no Mecha
Even Final Fantasy 1 had mechs.

Just stop putting cup noodles in your game and having the party drive around in a fucking Audi.

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Stop making console/PC games and focus on mobile, recent experience have clearly proven this is the best way to move forward and make a profit with Final Fantasy.

Fun battle system with a job system and multiple playable characters and fucking OPTIONS (IE: no snapping into controlling the pretty boy unless you want to, wether in villages or exploring, looking at you FFXV and XII), having the whole fucking story in the game instead of in DLC and NOT VIDEOGAMES spin-off garbage.

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It's beyond saving. The day 14 croaks is the day FF is truly utterly dead.

VII was the complete opposite of playing it safe, you moron.

Back to basics.

There's nothing to save, you people just grew up and can't deal with the crap it has always been anymore.
>Bring back Sakaguchi.
You want him to kill his company twice?

>The day 14 croaks

oh so never
cool story bro

> Firstly, the main villans from both games were injected with something that enhanced their power, but eventually lead to them going insane. The final bosses from both games have an angelic appearance. Both games have an evil empire/organization that is harnessing some sort of magical power and creating super soldiers with it. And finally, Terra and Sephiroth were both taken from their mothers and raised as weapons of mass destruction by the aforementioned evil empires.
FF7 literally copied the best game ever FF6

If the next game doesn't have a job system it's automatically trash.

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best post ITT

Why so they refuse to make a modern FF with a job system? It's the only standout feature of the franchise but it's like they've relegated it to spin offs

If the next mainline game doesnt have a job system with as many jobs as V then I'm not bothering

MMOs don't live forever

FF died with 9, which is why that game is such a celebration of what came before it.

10 is a good game, but it obviously led the series down a different path.

FF7 is barely a Final Fantasy game if you look at it in the context of the previous 6 games instead of it being the first FF game you played when you were 12

My nigga

Make a FF themed Elder Scrolls clone

I don't think there even was a single mainline FF without some kind of mechs/machinery. Sometimes played a weak role but still something you were confronted to at one point or another.

JUST MAKE A SELF CONTAINED GAME
STOP TRYING TO MAKE A MINI SERIES WITHIN A SERIES LIKE FF13 AND 15 WHILE BLOWING THE STUDIOS BUDGET HARDER THAN TORIYAMA SUCKING LIGHTNINGS DICK
EXPLORE DIFFERENT SETTING IDEAS AND GAMEPLAY MECHANICS
DONT FUCKING GO BACK TO BEING A DRAGONBALL QUEST CLONE
STOP PUTTING NOMURA IN CHARGE OF EVERYTHING HES JUST THE FUCKING CHUUNI IDEAS GUY

Just make it into an XIV expansion and put the talented fucking people on it instead of desperately trying to control relics of the past (yes, Nomura, I'm looking at you).

Also. stop courting Disney.

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*kills your series for over a decade*

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Sakaguchi did nothing wrong.

People wanted an updated or improved look to ff7 not a full remake. People deserve to complain about a cut up remake when the developers are the ones going full retard with the remake.

Yoshida said FF16’s setting will look similar to Heavensward

Type-0, 13-2, and LR were all great. XV was a disappointment but I wouldn't call it bad either. Fuck 13-1 though.

- bring back the strategic turn based combat the series is known for
- bring back cool and fun MC’s like Cloud, Tidus, Squall
- trash console exclusive shit
- bring back meaningful stories that don’t feel like a Japanese action film
- stop copying DMC level action scenes nobody wants

Basically reboot the series from 7 and work forward. Also scrap live battles

>FF13 kills FF for two console gens
>FF7 Remake will kill FF for another two console gens

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Most people wanted a full remake, inspired by the PS3 tech demo

Any word on characters or a job system?

seeing the people complain at how different it is all the fucking time. I don't think so

they wanted the exact same thing

You're never getting a modern mainline turn based FF again so no sense in expecting it. Mainline FF is AAA shit and they want to make them by AAA standards. Turn based jrpgs arent hip/impressive so they're not going down that route again

please no

How's it feel to be more autistic than XV-kun?

FFXII-3

>"just let it die gracefully, they already released the best game ever made in IX and they simply cannot exceed perfection"

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dropped

>- bring back the strategic turn based combat the series is known for
>FF
>Turn based
>Strategic

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Square Enix thinks that Dragon Quest fills the turn-based "niche" and FF should be something else. That's literally all it is. They don't want two turn-based series. Dragon Quest is turn-based, Kingdom Hearts is action, FF is a terrible mix of the two.

T. Barry, nice cope

I find it hilarious how Type-0 was probably the one that actually realized the "myth" the best and it started as fucking Phone game, and not even a Smartphone game at that. I mean it was still a poorly presented mess, but considering what the "sibling" games were. Rem was so fucking broken it honestly kinda undermined the "I GOTTA PROTECC REM" storyline for Machina when she was basically THE best Class member and Machina basically the worst due poor stats and moves and even poorer availability rendering him outleveled.

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People complain about the partition, and are otherwise hyped. Look at actual responses on YouTube, look outside Yea Forums.

The "strategy" usually boiled down to using Haste and then unloading 9999 attacks and changing equipment for elemental/status-inflicting enemies as necessary, but that's still objectively more strategy than a game like FF15 requires.

Oh shit you're right

> FFXIV literally grossed over 2 billion dollars with turn based combat
> FFXV only grossed 500 million which is the lowest since FF2
Cope

that's the end result of what they see now, originally people were asking for something more realistic than a full blown remake of everything (especially since SE was saying it was impossible at the time -- but they actually went with it anyway and now they'll be working on this for the next 2 decades in parts)

Play FFX and:
Pick three characters you like after unlocking them all and then try and beat the main story without switching them. It’s not Hearts of iron I’ll admit, but it goes beyond just blindly attacking

>XIV
>Turn based combat

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>My Rock Paper Scissor """""Strategy""""""
Sorry, I'll pass over your shitty looking Quick Attack benchmark simulator.

Uhhhh user FFXIV is an MMO. The combat is like WoW, not turn based

He is probably making a joke about 2.5 GCD

I for one can't wait for the FFXVI BULLSHOTS.

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>FFXIV
>Turn Based
I mean, I understand FF faggots don't even know how turn based games play like given most of those games aren't turn based, but goddamn.

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Release all of the ff7 remake in one game

If YoshiP is the director, that means Matsuno is definitely on board of FFXVI, so we are getting medieval fantasy. Potentially set in the Ivalice universe. Also he said Less Machinery, not “no Machinery”.

I wanted a full remake, but I didn't want a full game of Midgar. That sounds terrible.

Has any Final Fantasy game since 12 come out without some huge fuck-up or controversy?
It feels like they've all either taken 5+ years to come out, needed to be radically reworked after release or have been completely lackluster.
I didn't pay too much attention to stuff like Type Zero or World of FF, so if anyone can shed some light on how that all went it'd be welcome.

> “I hate turn based combat but lets join this final fantasy thread”

Kys

>fire nomura
>bring back ATB
>bring back fantasy

More like:
>Pick Yuna (Stats directly influence Aeon stats, hits like a truck with magic if you place her on Lulus grid and/or use Black Magic Spheres there.
>Pick Tidus (Haste and constant availability)
>Pick Rikku (Steal-Use, Highest speed in game and has Mix)

Since Tidus and Rikku are both the fastest AND can swim they are really solid, Yuna is just plain broken due Summons, even if they get Banish'd you can still use them to shit out high powered Overdrives, you can just plain brute force the shit they supposedly are "weak" against by having that many my turns and Aeons to pick from.

no source on any of this btw

More like "I love turn based combat so I laugh at plebs who think FF is even remotely competent when it does try to be turn based".

>FF7
>Game that put itself at risk by going Playstation
>Remake going thru lengths to present the game in a new style of play
>playing it safe
Go back to praising your WoW-clone user, you're making a fool of yourself.

They won't top IX, or get close, so they shouldn't even try.

>combat of FFX
>job system of X-2
>world design of XII
>field encounters of XIII
>Uematsu/Hamauzu collab OST

Final fantasy 14 is the series saving grace at the moment but the fact that it’s an MMO scares away a lot of fans. Shadowbringers is fantastic and truly a worthy addition to the series. Unfortunately no mainline series has come close to being considered even “decent” since final fantasy 12.

>How do we save Final Fantasy?
Do we have to? What is Final Fantasy anyway? Just a bunch of spell names and chocobos?

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based brainlet

>Matsuno on board
More like
>Yoshida will beg Matsuno to once again save him from being exposed as a mediocre Director
Stormblood would have been irredeemable trash were it not for the Ivalice raid series that Yoshida had no control over.

>Just a bunch of spell names and chocobos?
Pretty much, that's what you get from a series that can only ape what other series do and add money hoping it works out.

>WoW clone is the saving grace of Final Fantasy
Oh how low this franchise has gone

I got a better idea

AAA Remake of VI
Modern remake of VIII, just fix the dumbass past the first CD and junction/draw shit
Modern remake of IX, just fix the story past disc 2.
Modern Tactics remake.

There, FF is saved.

14 had to be rebuilt from the ground up before it could even be considered decent, let alone great. I've heard a lot of good things about it ever since ARR but the original release was a fucking trainwreck.

this
just stop making new games and remake all the classics without changing the gameplay
literally no one can save final fantasy.

>What is Final Fantasy anyway?
A very high budget jrpg with art that used to not be generic shit

But i like using Auron :(

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Go back to the simpler 1-5 style setting with crystals, airships and the like, maybe have a job system too. People are completely fatigued of future settings and emotional edgy characters.

Had to be rebuilt and based on WoW to be redeemed in the MMO space. ARR is mediocre in storytelling with Heavensward being enjoyable. Stormblood was utter trash and the start of Shadowbringers looks good, so as it stands only 50% of the Story is even good with this being right about the only good thing about Stormblood being a non-Main Story raid series being good given Matsuno's control. Hell it was so well received rather than relying on their own storytelling they're getting Nier's director to make their 24-man raid series.

Numbered or otherwise? Im pretty sure Dissidia (The first one) came out without any major issues.

Numbered it has basically been rough since 11, i know some kiddies don't remember but 12 had some quite sharp critique between the "rushing" and "IT PLAY ITSELF", and that one lead dude "leaving". 13, 14, and 15 all had their issues with varying degrees of damage control of varying degrees of success depending on who you ask, im, quite sure some faggots here will sing praises to XV Royal and FFXIV: ARR-Shadowbringer.

They need scale it way back and stop trying to make these weird anime movie games nobody wants. Get back to turn-based and stats and jobs....focus on the people who actually LIKE Final Fantasy.

I'd kill for a reboot like sonic mania with some devs who understand classic FF. Modern Square seems incapable of swallowing their pride so that's never happening sadly.

It’s been a few years since I played through but isn’t switching to Auron/Kimahri necessary for several encounters because of armored enemies/bosses. Unless Rikkus grenades count as a heavy attack

>Yoko Taro Raid
incoming rhythm-based active time events

Pretty much
I used Lulu instead of Rikku cause magic fell absurdly strong but yeah Yuna is just way too broken so it doesnt really matter which third character you pick

Based Yoko taking FFXIV down with him and making sure another Theme Park dies alongside its mother MMO, WoW.

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I doubt they can do that since music is client side afaik and doesn't sync up between players.

Please don't mix high fantasy with some low effort techno shit, PLEASE.

>turn based

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>with art that used to not be generic shit
>He thinks Amano was not peak generic

Hopefully, after that and a new trump tweet that will probably be enough for you zoomer niggers to kill yourselves en masse.

also wakka for ranged physical damage is very convenient

As said, you can brute force them since you get so many turns, AND you can actually get piercing weapons for Tidus and Rikku rather easily from what i remember. Or you know, just nuke em with Aeons (Even ignoring Overdrives Ifrit Pierces with Meteor Strike)

They actually did that with the 4 Heroes of Light years ago, and then it got a "Not Sequel" in Bravely Default, then Bravely Second kinda came and shat on it by being way too "Modern JRPG"-esque. by Octopath the "Old FF" aspects are pretty much all gone.

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During the story yes but towards the middle/end you can mod pierce onto other weapons with a level 2 key sphere

>money machine

Considering how long it actually takes him to develop a game I wonder how true that statement even is.

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Setting wise I hope it's similar to IX or XII.

Make a sequel to FF9 and bring back best boi.

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user...

>Vivi grown up

iirc isn't he dead at the end of IX?

Also there's nothing to grow he's literally a magic-filled doll.

it literally doesn't matter if he's dead. He can be brought back through bullshit.

>betray one of the major themes of the game for no reason but a forced sequel
Am I talking to Nomura right now?

fire all the staff and hire new, nobody left making these games anymore appreciates what FF used to be so the only chance to save it is by starting over from the ground up

You carnnot starp me, user.

>nobody left making these games anymore appreciates what FF used to be
yoshi p

>DUDE BRING BACK SEPHIROTH!!!
>DUDE BRING BACK TIDUS!!!
>DUDE BRING BACK VIVI IT'LL BE SICK!!!

I'd settle for a small scale game set between the necron battle and epilogue about Vivi learning how to create, give sapience to and then teaching his children magic before he dies. With one of the themes focusing on preparing your children for when you're gone.

rent free

My memory is a bit fuzzy. But wasn't there a fleet of mages walking down the streets of Alexandria during the final cutscene in the game.

They're his kids, but the game doesn't explain the specifics of what that actually means.

Presumably they found a way to create more Black Mages, with longer lives, being their goal all along wasn't it?

Vivi's son.

Wasn't mage making tech is exclusively alexandrian? No other natiob had it right? How did vivi managed to get that. I forgot to ask, I understood that his part of his arc was accepting his “expiration” but did he actually die at the end of the game? I'm asking because young me saw that fleet of mages in alexandria and think “Hey it's Vivi!”

>Turn-based
>bring back equipment customization from X or support materia from VII.
>have job system like FFV except job crystals are found through exploration but there's not enough of each so that every party member can be every job.
>Bring back Kitase or Ito to direct
>simply have a story/characters that aren't completely retarded or unfinished.
>Shit ton of minigames.

You don't see him die, but the speech to Zidane at the end of the game is from Vivi, and you don't see him at Garnet's coronation. The black mage kids say they're Vivi's sons.

>type-9 was great
no, it really wasn't. It had some cool combat but that's literally all.

Set in Ivalice
Yoshida designs all the characters
Job System with Cross Classing
Preferably turn based with a strong gimmick or full action, no gay FFXIII shit
Controllable Primals like in X or XII
Super flashy, when someone casts ultima the entire screen should be covered effects
Story about collecting / restoring / saving crystals

Evil Empire can go tho, that shit is so lame by now.

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It's stated in a few different npc convos that some of the black mages understand how to build the machines that make them, so it's possible that they retain the info when they become sapient.

type-0*

>Set in Ivalice

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>primals
MMOfags pls go.

ivalice isn't actually good, you just like yoshida's art. he doesn't even work at squeenix anymore, he's in the cygames gacha mines.

>copied WoW
>Guys he saved Final Fantasy

14 is the best final fantasy game since XII

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MMOs are not games

FF Tactics Ivalice is peak Final Fantasy kino.

>Primals
You mean Eidolons/Aeons/Espers right? God you XIV secondaries are annoying as shit. Of course the director had to make a WoW-clone to make the game survive.

But Final Fantasy has always been a copy of something else, that's the only shred of identity the series ever had.

What's wrong with you

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>WoW clone is the best final fantasy since XII
XIII is trash, XV is a dumpster fire. Not the hardest to be the shiniest turd when the only 2 other mainlines you're comparing are pure trash. If you honestly think a WoW-clone is peak FF then i feel sorry for this Franchise.

I don't like MMOs.

JOB SYSTEM!!!!!!!

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they're all fucking terrible

Nobody said it's peak but at least there are some redeeming qualities to it, unlike XIII and XV

The only good major MMO is OSRS and that's literally it.

This this this this this

There's a speech? Damn it. Better rewatch the entire ending of IX back. Thanks user.
Ah, wait, wasn't mages made out of “mist”, and with the fall of the Iifa (till this day I call it Lifa) tree, mist should’ve stopped producing right? Sorry for asking so much, I haven't played IX in ages. Man, I do miss that game. I really like the bug gondola underneath Treno. And the Mage’s village was both comfy and sad at the same time. Comfy as fuck village but sad that the vilage might be empty in just a few years after all the mages expires.

Being the shiniest turd is still being a turd.Just because 2 expansions have good story while the base and the other have shit for stories doesn't make your game good, especially not with being a WoW-clone. At that point the only redeemable qualities are the music, 50% of its story and w/e they took from WoW.

Just make one of his sons replace him. You can even say he's a spiritual successor. Maybe an incarnation or whatever.

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Shut the fuck up retard, how many times do you want to repeat that they're all shit. Nobody is even that it's not.

You give it to this man. And SE did.

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It strongly implies that every black mage you see is dead by the epilogue.How Vivi made his sons isn't explained. Garland created his genomes and the Lifa tree/mist was a by-product of the process so it's possible Vivi managed something similar, which would make his sons closer to zidane and kuja than the black mages. That's all conjecture though

>Lost Odyssey was bad

How fucking stupid do you have to be to think this

FF7 literally doesn't do anything that FF6 doesn't, other than use a 3D engine. FF7 didn't invent ATB in FF either.

>implying anyone is going to know how to cheese the game on their first playthrough

Unironically hope Soken does the music for FFXVI when that comes. He does a fucking great job with FFXIV.
youtube.com/watch?v=aKHUcCQ65mg&feature=youtu.be

For me the last good FF was 10, and 12 was passable. Since then I'd say the single biggest factor has been how "japanese" they've become. Lots of girly looking, spiky haired fag characters with banal "I WILL STOP YOU" dialogue. They play like a sailor moon episode in contrast to the older more mature styled games with gritty worlds, characters, and more mature/amusing dialogue.

That's the single biggest factor for me. Plus the worlds became uninteresting. FF13 was just battle hallways, and FF15 was huge but nothing to do in it.

Oh man i cant wait for excessive asset reuse, content corner cutting and failure to implement basic features

FF7 abolished classes and instead materia let you be freeform with your party's abilities

If i figured it out back when i was playing the PAL version as a kid other people should be able to, i was, and still isn't, a smart person. It is just blatantly fucking obvious.

VI mostly does that too. Each character has a specific ability but espers let you shape any character into anything

The worst part of this post is that it's definitely not satire.

I didn't like 10.

The characters became really Japanese feeling as you complained of later entries. Voice acting detracted from the overall experience. I hated the cast and the world was meh to me.

>FF7 abolished classes
FF2 already did that
>and instead materia let you be freeform with your party's abilities
This shit has been there since FF5 and Materia is just a lazy retread of Espers for all intents and purposes, the only actual thing it added was function comboing, which isn't exactly groundbreaking either.

How come Black mages look like Jawas, but White/Blue/Red Mages have faces?

FF7 didn't abolish classes it just made them more of a theme than a hard mold.

Cid was obviously a dragoon, Tifa a monk, Aeris a white mage, etc.

And II and V never came out in the west.

Ah. It's possible that he used Garland’s tech. That entire other planet was nothing but clones right? Damn. Till this day I still can't quite figure out IX’s story. I was surprised when one user mentioned that the final boss of the game was hinted at the ship wreckage part where we first learnt about the second planet, Zidane’s planet. Man I wanna replay IX so bad, and now focus more and on he story and some small details since older me could possibly detect something. Like I was playing VII just recently, and I noticed Barret actually raised his head up and turned to look at the NPC that talked about Avalanche and it's “charismatic” leader during the train section.

>And II and V never came out in the west.
Outside of not being relevant to this argument it's not even true.

10 was very “japanese-y”. 12 didn't unironically.

Didn't happen, only remake. Why everyone was confused when it went from III to VII.

Yes

It was more japanese-y than the others yes, but it didn't suffer from the other issues I mentioned.

It was true in 1997.

Wonder what game he's going to copy next. He already did WoW, so maybe he'll copy another mainstream RPG to make XVI?

The other planet (Terra) is populated by things called genomes, which is what kuja is. They're basically artificial bodies that the planet's original occupants (the race that created Garland) can have their souls grafted into. Most of the ones you meet are soulless and kind of blank slates.

I mean it worked for Sakaguchi

Dragon Age Fantasy

If it weren't for Vaan and corporate meddling you’d probably won't have the same stance with 12. Unrelated, I was talking about FFIX with other anons ITT, I seem to find that a lot of FF character and story reuses the same ideas. Like an MC that is from an entirely different world like Zidane and Tidus. Characters with memory loss. Story about the “flow” and cycle of life and death. Characters that are human test subjects and etc. I just find this to be interesting in retrospect.

Hopefully he copies Final Fantasy IX

It's already saved

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some of this shit isn’t even true you absolute retard

Make everyone who is making Dragon Quest work on FFXVI and then fire Nomura and everyone who is working on Final Fantasy
Now you have a great game.

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>WoW clone
>saved
Christ I love the delusion of you MMO secondaries.

A Cactuar Draws Near!

Amazing how Kino can blind people to terrible job changes to everyone except dragoon and black mage, boring ex primals and the same old corridor dungeons "but they're so pretty now! DId you hear the boss theme!!!"

fuck MMOs

I hate them so much

Is it worth saving?

Literally stop calling their new games Final Fantasy. They should just let sleeping dogs lie.

Yes.

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Seethe

The storyline is pretty enjoyable, i will admit i was fucking DREADING doing every single trial, not because of the mechanics of them being complex or anything, but because i would have to do them with other people who would act less competent then the fucking deliberately sub-par Trust AI. Also i would argue WHM also got off easy with the new Lily system since LMAO SPAM CURE1 for a CHANCE of a Lily wasn't exactly a riveting concept.

Shadowbringers more then anything made me wish XIV wasn't a MMO.

Don't forget never pushing the letter and playing it as safe as humanely possible.

No remakes.

Ports.

If it doesn't run on the original hardware, had to be changed to work

MCH is great
SAM evened out the shit with the good
NIN is good it just needs to be retuned and TA debuff can fuck off so it can do big boy DPS
SMN is cancer but it was cancer before so whatever
I haven't touched BRD but it looks like much the same
MNK is a little worse
RDM is the same shit
PLD is better

I don't heal or play other tanks so idk how those are but DRK seems like they traded a shit mechanic for being boring.

You don't let Nomura anywhere near it and give control to Chiba.

>REMAKE

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Holds up great without one, besides the battle speed.

Isn't yoshida already confirmed to be in charge of the future of final fantasy and 16?
Considering how well shadowbringers was, for a fucking MMO of all things, i have confidence in 16

AHEM

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WHM is in a great spot, Lily System is much more manageable and the DPS is great.
SCH overreacted hard about their Nerf, Eos and Selene are still fucking good even without going into Seraph, Mainly because most SCH "Mains" were ones who loved to DPS.
AST got ass fucked again, but that was their default state anyway since AST was a fucking mistake even back in HW when it was added.

Hefty homogenization around the table reducing Job Identity, but in the case of WHM that was all around buffing, im expecting the nerf bat to get slammed on WHM at any moment as a result.

Been looking for a thread to talk about this. I just beat this, thought it was good with quite a few annoying flaws, but really enjoyed some story moments. Was there supposed to be a connection between the Ifia tree and the evil forest? They both have big vines chasing people and petrify in some way. Or is it just supposed to be another thematic tie-in?

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MCH is a mess. Fun on a casual level, horrible if you actually know how to play
SAM used to be boring and they added nothing to make it more fun other than bigger numbers.
NIN got away a lot better than most jobs, fun rotation but they lost all their utility except for trick and their damage is awful now
SMN seems fugged but that's what everyone said at the start of Stormblood and it turned out really strong once people got gud
MNK is terrible now. The looping tornado kick rotation was great and added more decision making to the job but TK is completely useless now since it does less damage, you will never drop greased lightning and using it at any point other than a >12 second break is a dps loss. Bootshine PB is also lame as fuck.
RDM is still the least fun job in the game
PLD is decent, the way they handled Sword Oath is better than how they butchered WAR but without having to manage aggro or tp all you're doing is popping cooldowns for busters and moving the boss, overall a downgrade.

SCH and AST are completely fucked because apparently you need to ruin every other healer to get WHM out of the cuck shed.
BRD lost it's identity, the only utility it has left is Battle Voice yet it also does shit damage.
WAR lost so much of it's uniqueness by losing Stance Dancing, Raw Intuition, Mitigation on Fell Cleave, Lifesteal on Decimate and all it got back in return is bigger numbers on fell.

>Tornado Kick rotation
>Great

Fuck you, I'm glad it's gone. MNK's still in a shit spot, but Tornado Kick is the exact opposite of what MNK is supposed to be.

It's just a forest, dude. One with more big bad Mist than the others.
I guess it's somewhat related since the Ilfa tree has roots over the entire map.

>didn't use Moguri Mod
dude

High Fantasy FFs > Mecha FFs

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Who cares, it made the rotation so much more involved and made you consider down time and movement much more.
Riddles forcing you into a stance actually made every stance have a purpose instead of just using FoF like in Heavensward or FoF for the first 15 seconds of a pull and then FoW for the rest of it like it is now in ShB.

> holds up great without one
> despite this one thing that makes the game complete unredeemable shit

It was mostly all the petrified people lining the walls on the inside of Ifia tree like how the evil forest petrified itself when it was attacked that made think there may have been a relation. It's probably just mist shit.

Damn that looks a lot better

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What if they made it turn based but way deeper than other FF games with ATB or turn based combat, ie make positioning matter, friendly fire with spells ground elevation making a difference in range for spells and stuff

Why? I thought Matsuno was done with FF and he was only brought on board for Ivalice as a guest. Did him and Yoshida become gay lovers or something? Return to Ivalice was trash.

Oh user, the best FFs are the ones with a healthy mix of both, even FFT has a Mech in case you forgot. The issue is that they stuck with the ones more on the heavily "Modern" ones too much in a row, with the only arguable "break" being a fucking MMO, that even that has some very sci-fi segments (that work mainly because they are just that, Segments).

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WELL YOU KNOW I WOULD PLAY ANOTHER FUCKING BRAVELY DEFAULT GAME
IF IT EXISTED

it can't even be ported because the Switch cut out too much of the 3DS' hardware

If by "horrible if you actually know how to play" in regards to MCH, you're a pinglet, no it isn't.

The only actual problem it has is that you have to run in when you deploy the queen to avoid it using it's shitty charge.

>they brought her back to life after she fucking chokes to death
that was absolutely not sleep medication you hacks, she should be fucking dead

Remake ffv

The only actual problem is that your cooldowns misallign for burst phases, you have nothing for trick attack, queen doesn't interact with anything else you do, wildfire does less damage than a Fire IV

I thought it was pretty fun since you were able to do it so much cause 30 sec cd on riddle of wind and 60 sec PB cooldown lmao, now it is just me wondering what they were doing with these changes since the only reason to be in fire is when you have riddle of fire and being very confused as to what the point of our level 80 ability is. I really wish monk didn't have it's QoL abilities locked behind levels,

Final Fantasy was never turn-based. They only tried it once with FFX but after that was a colossal flop they're never doing it again.

hire me

So far I've only used six sided star for shit like brambles in titania or sword tethers in innocence where you can use it while you're leaving and still charge chakras before you get back to the boss

What "burst phases" what "cooldowns"?

You have reassemble which lines up fine with the move you want to use it on, wildfire only needs barrel stabilizer which has the same CD as it.

MCH is clearly a priority based class not a burst phase class.

Get your mind out of Stormblood.

FF1/2/3 would like to have a word with you.

>X-2's battle system
>IX's setting
>cast like VI
>X's UI direction
>VII's music
>XIII's approach to status effects
>XIII's stagger mechanic
>Tactics Job Class system

Throw in a minigame as awesome as Triple Triad and I'm sold

user, he is clearly joking/baiting. I hope he is anyway.

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make it play like darksouls

What would you even add to MNK to make it less garbage

Pull "yoshi's dick" out of your "ass"

Drill and Anchor. They're on the GCD so they will naturally be delayed over the course of the fight and on top of that you'll save them up for raid buffs which is shitty when you're sitting on 90 battery and don't want to let it hit cap.
It also sucks when you have hypercharge up but drill is still on more than 10 second CD because you're just gonna sit there and wait, using it without anchor / drill is a waste.
It's generally poorly thought out.

MNK isn't garbage at all.

Maybe "garbage" isn't the right term. "Clunky"?

It's not clunky. The MNK rotation right now is smooth. What is clunky is dropping all of your GL stacks every TK rotation and having your GCD time jerk around.

Can someone explain to me whats wrong with XIV and its expansions? What have they fucked up each new release and all

Doesn't Anatman have some funky shit with server ticks? I've heard complaining about it.

>Lost Odyssey and Last Story were bad.

oof

Monk isn't bad, it only plays like garbage.
It still does better damage than dragoon and can adapt to fights much better, Brotherhood also powercreeped and is now on par with Litany.
The problem is that you're just doing Buff Combo > Damage Combo on loop for the entire fight, only broken up by shitty Bootshine > PB > DK > Bootshine > Demolish > Twin Snakes > DK > Bootshine every 160 seconds.

It has become entirely based around not losing your stacks for the entire fight and it's boring.
SSS is almost never needed and never part of your regular rotation unless there's a long transition about to happen and you can SSS > TK > Anatman for 12-15 seconds.
Also Anatman fucking sucks. You can never use it last second because it has like a full second of delay before it freezes your GL and Stance Timer and during the opener you can actually lose 2 seconds because you pulled on a server tick and now you're sitting there waiting for the next one.

You go back in time and tell them to stop making games after VI.

He's in charge of some project we don't know about. I'm not even sure if it's Final Fantasy. It could be fucking Dragon Quest XII, the next DQ MMO.

>4 Heroes of Light
Is this game any good?

Truth, except Sephi and squall are good aesthetically

m8 he's literally on the board of directors now and at helm for final fantasy as a franchise

What job do you think is fun if you think MNK is bad?

By beating the IRL Final Fantasy game and destroying the warring triad of Nomura god of fuccbois, Toriyama god of waifufagging and Matsuda god of Final Fantasy 15.

Apparently the story is dumb but the gameplay is a predecessor to BD's.

Not sure if you're just doing a kneejerk overreaction, but really FF as a series has been playing it safe for almost its entire existence. The only "innovation" the series has are in cinematic presentation, not gameplay. FFXV is the most risky FF game they've made, disregarding the risks inherent in MMOs for the MMO titles.

>Completely different settings and gameplay styles
name one franchise which doesn't stir shit up more

How to save ff
Serviceable STORY! DON'T try new shit get a good crystal story or a good magitech vs old World Story.

Combat should be turn or atb based, biggest selling point should be a big fucking huge job system. Action may be more mainstream BUT but it will be outdated pretty fast(ps5 etc., Coming. Except high skill ceiling like dmc, but that won't happen.)
Fuck post game. Don't get me wrong there should be a fucking huge amount of post game content just don't balance it for shit. Let there be op shit, let there be shit shit builds. Normal story should be balanced though. Give the music to sokken.
Get emotional push a character in the spotlight, kill the character. Don't want to kill the character? Have him stay half of the story then make him go to the villains.

Tldr. Go turn or atb based.
And just fuck with the players expectations hard.

Where the f(airy) f(lies)
(S)End (P)Layer,

>Turn tornado kick into a Coerl stance weaponskill that just requires full GL stacks but does not add or refresh GL
>Literally remove the fists of X stances they add nothing to gameplay, move the effective potency implications into the skills or a trait
>Get rid of the skill speed slow on Riddle of Fire, reduce the buff if you have to just get rid of the goddamned speed nerf
>Riddle of Earth should function more like SAM's third eye, short cooldown with an effect that works with your attacks instead of being the thousandth way to extend GL, or if you want super bonus points have it function like Blade and Soul's KFM's counter where it's just a short stance you can take to auto-retaliate with an attack, in our case we would use it for party/raidwide spells
>Put Perfect Balance back at 60s cooldown so that dungeon runs aren't as annoying
>Make Meditation give 5 chakra if cast outside of combat
>Solving what to actually do with the Fists of X stances if they feel needed for class flavor is a pretty tough solve admittedly if people would be unwilling to wholesale remove them

Just for starters

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They're never, ever going back to turn based user. Their own words.

Ninja. It's the opposite: fun rotation, bad performance

>People keep saying Hunter is a good class in FFTA

Fucking morons

>not liking the job system
L O W - T

>(S)End (P)Layer,
awww I was going to play this

call Yoshi p up

I am truly sorry

Nah, it's cool.
I was spoiled on the first game's twist too. I actually don't think there's a single Square game I haven't been spoiled on before I played it

Not nearly enough cunny.

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Reminder,

XII > IX > X > V > VI > IV > VII > VIII > III > II > I > XIII > XV

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If you are eu I can gift you my hard copy
(if you are in the Hannover region I could deliver it personally)

>thread about Franchise
>FFXIV hijack the thread and then wonder why they're getting hated on Yea Forums and /vg/

Nah, sorry.

I realized it doesn't make any sense for me to say sorry when you were offering me, so instead; thank you for the offer.

Get Yoshida off XVI before he can irredeemably ruin the franchise. He won't be able to just copy WoW to make a single player JRPG and it'll turn out a disaster.

Action could be good too, but it would be fucking hard to deliver something timeless. I men for an instant classic you just had to be better than Kh3 and that's not really hard

Sounds decent. We're lacking a direct high potency coerl stance attack right now, in fact Snap Punch is Monk's weakest skill right now, the only reason it's still used is because it builds greased lightning and clipping demolish is bad. The tornado kick change sounds good.
I would've agreed with removing fists in heavensward but stormblood showed that they can each serve a unique purpose, maybe give fists of earth 5% damage resistance for your party. I feel like that would make people use it defensively again for big transition attacks or even just huge aoe damage during mechanics.
Agreed on PB, just nerf Bootshine's damage.
Don't even need it to be instant, just let me hold the button for it to keep charging, speaking of that also make Anatman a channelled ability that generates GL at a fixed rate instead of server ticks.

I wanted exactly that since I first played the game

ff14 1.0?

I think he wants something that takes place in the original world

Np that was a hard spoiler to bravely 2, I just though Everybody interested playerd it by now (BTW what region?)

probably has something to do with every single other thread getting deleted

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making an mmo again after 2 mmos would be a bad idea, maybe if they do a compilation of 7/reverse FF12 and make a non-mmo spin-off set in the same world

US. I think I have someone who can lend me their copy though. I would've played it earlier but I was stuck for a long time on the original.

just make a new dragon quest but have nomura do the character designs instead of toriyama redrawing trunks or gohan again

sounds awful

so still a top 5 final fantasy game?

Who looks like Amano that is not directly copying Amano?

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I'm talking the character design thing
Nomura and DQ sounds like a terrible mix

>ivalice
>good
>better than any of the 4.x patch story
Holy fuck man see a doctor you might have cancer

>he thinks toriyama did anything for XI

Well OK good for you, I have a spare starter edition PC account. I once lucked out and won a fat chocobo alarm clock a Kloe figurine and a Mameshiba Plushie and I don't know what to do with starter edi code

give it to Kawazu

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XIII-2 was good. Should have been the original XIII to begin with.

He did. The character art notes even have yuji horii comments on the process of creating the characters with Toriyama. For example, horii wanted Serena in a mini skirt but Toriyama promptly rejected that idea and instead designed her default outfit to be more maidenly like. Horii's outfit was put in as an alternate one.

>rushed liberation arc
>splitting focus between Ala Mhigo and Not-Asia
>but my waifu Tsukiyomi
>Omega: Hey remember this game guys?

>forgetting Lyse-sue

She'd be a sue if she was shown to be amazing. She doesn't really do much but hang around, get mad, and lose to Fordola. Conrad probably picked her because shes the whitest mhigan they had

How do you recover GP faster in ffxiv? currently a 33 miner.

Trade your GC seals for cordial, which give you 300 GP a pop. They're super fucking cheap too

Yes, Ivalice was such shit that it was worse than the majority of those
Everything after Tsukuyomi was gold and that patch was only driven down by how much of a waste Asahi was as a character that he needed to be killed off alongside Yotsuyu

>director who literally did the ballsiest move in the history of the video game industry by completely scrapping a massively expensive MMO and rebuilding it from the ground up all the while it was still active
>wants to only play it safe
????

>hey remember this game guys
>in defense of a raid series that only existed as fanservice for IA nostalgiafags

Not that user but theres literal fanservice with no tact like Omega and then theres the Ivalice Raid Series which tried to at least tie itself to the Eorzean world like they did KoTR and Thordan. Stormblood as it stands is nothing more than dogshit in terms of story as it had no pacing and split its focus up entirely.

>SMN

Is this actually complicated or am I just overthinking it

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Lost Odyssey had a good story and decent characters but the gameplay is fucking abysmal.

Thank you, I was near 50k flame seals and had no idea what to use them on up til gathering power leveling.

Try playing a FFXI summoner that's the only healer in the group.

Try playing with with more than access to carbuncle.

We're definitely due for another generation defining title like FFX, fo sho

FFXV could've been really good if it had another year in development. I imagine FF7R will be the same but they'll have two more games after the first one to refine things. Unfortunately, the revenue just hasn't been there for them to really invest in their games. However, I'd say Shadowbringers has been the most well funded attempt that was executed extremely well. It gives me hope that their confidence in their projects and their willingness to expose themselves to more risk is growing.

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>Since then I'd say the single biggest factor has been how "japanese" they've become. Lots of girly looking, spiky haired fag characters with banal "I WILL STOP YOU" dialogue.

You're describing shit that has been in every single FF game since FFII.

It's not. Your first 20 GCDs are all Ruin 3, the real rotation is only in the ogcds and even then all you're doing is tri disaster > spend aether > summon bahamut > tri disaster > akh mhorn > repeat for Phoenix

as long as it doesnt have the flash game aesthetic like the mobile and steam games. i feel like square is trying to kill final fantasy at this point, they clearly havent given a shit for awhile now while dragon quest has maintained the same level of quality since the merger

>The characters became really Japanese feeling as you complained of later entries. Voice acting detracted from the overall experience. I hated the cast and the world was meh to me.

It's amazing to me to hear people say this today, and you're not the only one. I remember when FFX first came out on the PS2 all those years ago I used to post on an FF message board and everyone there couldn't stop bashing FFX, claiming it had become "too Americanized".

Trade unwanted dungeon drops to your GC officer for seals. I hit 90k pretty often and spend them on ventures, glamour prisms/dispellers, spiritbond potions, durability potions, and food so you always have that +3% exp buff. You can also buy those scrolls that give you an additional xp buff for the next 100k xp as a crafter or gatherer.

Niggers.

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FFXV was the best FF game, so make it like that.

oops I meant to say XIII*

bring back the FFX battle system and and lots of side quests done.

XIII is 2nd best.

>MCH feels good but not needing to care about positioning makes it less interesting than a melee class
>MNK does not feel super great right now
>Everyone and their mother is going DRG
>NIN's aesthetic just really is not my thing

How's SAM looking nowadays

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Still the most boring melee.
NIN and DRG have the most fun rotations. DRG is the scrub job and NIN doesn't do big dick damage so pick your poison

Fire Nomura

SaGa 2 final boss was kino