GTA IV is better than GTA V

If your game has nothing, then the devil's in the details. It's the little things that matter in the end when you've got nothing big to pick up the slack and keep the attention.

Except it doesn't because nobody plays the game looking around for little details. It's about how fun the base game is, and guess what 4 is just as empty as 5.

>It was a tech demo.
So was GTA 3 and VC and SA. All glorified tech demos.

>Except it doesn't because nobody plays the game looking around for little details. I
I do because Rockstar games are known for that shit, faggot.

GTAIV is the best GTA game. It plays way better than the PS2 titles and has a better story and more interesting game world than GTA5.

I love this new push to retroactively pretend GTA IV didn't have it's issues.

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Need I remind you how clunky IV is? Sure there are some minor details it does better than V, but it means nothing if the game overall feels like sludgy diarrhea.

IV = memorable
V = forgettable
This alone should be an indication of the better game. I refuse to believe people who like V better are anything other than zoomers who haven't experienced any other GTA game.

And what does V feel like by comparison? Because it ain't smooth as butter.

>IV>V
>IV has no issues
Grow up brainlet

V is just as clunky, except they decided it would be a good idea to replace the realistic driving with Saint's Row-esque arcadey garbage, which was the best part about IV

The only time V got interesting was when IV characters got cameos.

That is what's implied when you cherrypick a few key features it gets better than V. IV would have to be a flawless game for "IV>V" to be true.

never played gta, but i always thought gta 4 was the mediocre one that nobody cared about, since i never heard people discuss it or reference it anywhere on the internet, unlike every other gta game. fast forward a few years and apparently it was the best one. hmm.

>IV would have to be a flawless game for "IV>V" to be true.
IV has flaws and yet it's still a better game than V.

Because you care about a few attention to detail qualities than an overall game? Is it autism? Serious question because I don't see how else someone could like the shitty mission design in IV.

He's right though, IV is overall a better game.

>a few attention to detail qualities than an overall game
The little details add to the whole game which was pretty good.

>Serious question because I don't see how else someone could like the shitty mission design in IV.
If you don't like the mission design in IV, then you've never liked VC or SA since it's the same shit since 3.

You motherfuckers talk like GTA V doesn't have an autistic attention to detail.

youtube.com/watch?v=3kDVwRyCq0s

>Crowbcat tells me so!

>calling GTA V an empty world compared to GTA IV
is it possible you have brain damage

The kids who grew up with GTA IV are now finally old enough to post here and since GTA IV was the first GTA they ever played they immediately think its the best one. If they only knew how IV was fucking despised by a good portion of the fanbase back when it came out. Everyone rightfully though it was a step down compared to San Andreas.

Vice City was the peak of the franchise

san andreas was consoletrash with too many nigs
see for the correct answer

goddamn I love vice city.

nigga the driving was fucking atrocious on 4. I can't tell you the amount of times I would swerve into shit without evening trying! Anybody who says 5's driving was worse is fucking retarded and needs to be lobotomized!

>The kids who grew up with GTA SA are now finally old enough to post here and since GTA SA was the first GTA they ever played they immediately think its the best one.
Huh.

Not when GTA 3 exists you faggot.

GO BOWLING WITH YOUR COUSIN OF COURSE

Yep, see I was there when GTA IV first came out and I can say how hating on IV was the norm back in 2008. The "GTA IV is a masterpiece" phenomenon is very recent and is being pushed by zoomers who grew up with IV and are now old enough to post here and contrarians who like to hate on GTA V simple because its the more popular one.

Vice City was an improvement over 3 in all respects my friend.
But you probably never played either.

It's also not very fun to play at all.
>Cars control like clumsy boats except for the super fast high performance ones which are usually somewhat impractical in the extremely condensed roads of Liberty City
>Guns sound and feel like absolute ass (GTA V tries to alleviate this by making guns sound like they fire faster than they do, which sounds awful, but I can live with it)
>Perpetually utterly miserable atmosphere and unlikable characters for miles, that trademark rockstar satire where everything is just fucking awful and your main character is basically in their own personal hell because they aren't a great person
>mission design is extremely boring and unmemorable, drive here, shoot these fools, escape the cops
i don't feel like going on

>zoomers who grew up with IV
Zoomers are the faggots who grew up with V.

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ballad of gay tony was a huge step up.
GTA IV tries to be gritty and grounded, but at the end of the day it still feels arcadey just by the nature of the game's structure, so what you get is a game that's stripped out so much of the earlier games' spectacle and fun for the sake of mood but ultimately still feels like it fails to be a compelling crime drama.

>SA
Game looked significantly graphically worse than anything in its gen. III and VC were the tech demos. SA was a culmination of everything they had learned from making the previous two games. It wasn't technologically the best game out at that point but it did get GTA formula right (imo so did the stories games and EFLC).

Just finished replaying GTA 4 and the biggest complaints are the driving takes some getting used to, mission replays start from the beginning, certain missions have scripted parts that are unknown unless you fail a bunch of times prior or waste all your ammo, limited weapon variety, and that at night certain areas are too dark. Still a great game but 5 is objectively the better game.

>Vice City was an improvement over 3 in all respects my friend.
>shittier story
>smaller map
>soulless synthpop
Only thing it has over 3 is bikes and motorcycles.

When I replayed 4 I didn't notice any of the details that crowbcat nitpicked, I payed attention to the missions, the characters, the cars, the map, etc because in the end that's the bulk of the game. GTA 4 is empty as fuck. Not only is the world shallow, but the sheer lack of customization is astounding. It's basically a better graphics GTA 3.

>B-BUT THE CAR HAS AN EXTRA DENT WENT IT CRASHES LOOK AT CRWOBCATS VIDEO
Who gives a fuck.

>Present a variety of examples as to how Game X is more detailed than Game Y despite Game Y being newer and featuring a vastly larger budget
>"CHERRYPICKING! NIT-PICKING! DETAILS DON'T MATTER! WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO IMPLY GAME X IS SO GREAT HUH ACTUALLY GAME X IS AWFUL! LOL THAT SHIT'S ALL DUMB POINTLESS STUFF WHO EVEN CARES?!"
Every. time.

It's like people take it as a personal insult that a game they preferred isn't actually 100% absolutely perfect, it's hilarious.

Oh yes, theres also the racist boomers who think Vice City was the peak of the series because "muh 80's", "muh Hall and Oates - Out of Touch" and "this game allows me kill Haitians and Cubans!". They don't appear very often because they think this franchise will never be worth playing again unless it goes back to the 80's.

>III and VC were the tech demos.
Stop with the tech demo shit, it's gay as fuck.

gta iv is dismal and i am never going to start a new game because i don't ever want to date that midwestern girl again. WORSE than cattle herding in RDR1

>Fuck this I'm out.

you definitely didn't play it

>the music of GTA IV
youtube.com/watch?v=atha8XPhkuQ
I liked some of the music in GTA V too but damn, GTA IV had nice music, even on the pause screen.

>>Guns sound and feel like absolute ass
Worthless post, GTA 4 is the only time in the series when the guns don't feel like shit.

>game released in the late 2000s on zoomer core systems (360/PS3)
>boomer
what retard made this image.

Oh yeah, I guess they are called doomers now? Gloomers??? Doesn't matter, they are just a different kind of insufferable.

>waaa there's no WIZZ BANG BOOM in my GTA game!

Grow up.

Also,

>extremely condensed roads of Liberty City
you can change the density

>Perpetually utterly miserable atmosphere
I actually like that about GTA. Some big cities genuinely do feel like LC. The realism makes it a fun 'fuck the world' game to play on a sunday night before you have to wagecuck the next day.

Cope

>never got his mansion
I pity the fool

>It was a tech demo.

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You're a failed tech demo of humanity.

Not as retarded as the dumbass who thinks zoomers started with 4 when they were too little to even start school.

>tries to prove a point with shitty /r/Yea Forums wojack memememe

Saint Row IV was the peak of the series
Prove me wrong

Played it, beat it twice.

Got it and beat the little side missions to get some pizza and pornos to show up.

Why do you people have to be this dumb?

detailed =/= better

are you kidding me? cousing lets go bowling was a huge meme here.

I can't

SR IV = GTA IV > every other GTA game

He's right to some extent. GTA IV was the first triple A game using the new RAGE engine and its pretty clear Rockstar was still getting used to the engine during development going by how bugged the game was at launch.

the oldest zoomers are in their mid-20s

And STILL you think 3 had more to offer? Guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. Are you from NYC or something?

This entire thread is either a competition of who comes up with weakest bait or who comes up with the spiciest take.

Something tells me you aren't a very good driver

do you know what a zoomer is? anyone born in the late 90s and early 2000s. i was like 10 years old and me and every other zoomer i knew were playing GTA IV.

People who say GTA 3 was the best are either idiots or have a very strong emotional connection with that game. I can't for the life of me think about anything that that game did better than San Andreas or even Vice City.

>And STILL you think 3 had more to offer?
Better music, atmosphere and missions.

>Are you from NYC or something?
Georgia, the dumping ground for Floridian trash and other garbage from the South.

It was though.
New base engine. Euphoria, car damage. New concepts and features like contacts to do things with.
It also ran like shit, was missing a huge amount of content from the previous entry, had no real direction, had untuned awkward physics that lead to car boats and humans stumbling around like drunkards for 15 seconds after getting shot in pinky, and an empty map.

Missions, Shoot outs, grand theft auto.. Anything you want fag

>had no real direction
The fuck? It was the game with the most direction since 3.

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Now user I know you love cocks in your mouth so go back to your cave and keep sucking them.

>do you know what a zoomer is?
I don't think anyone does but it's a common fact that the average demographic for IV aren't kids anymore considering the game has been out for a decade now.

I felt like SR IV looked like shit. Still enjoyable game

>I can't for the life of me think about anything that that game did better than San Andreas or even Vice C
Having genuine soul.

youtube.com/watch?v=BuYZqC7wUSs&t=283s

I bet you live in valdosta or macon, you rural fuck. dilate and move up to the atl.

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user you are doing gods work these guys suck some cock. Fuck these zoomers

Did nobody play pic related?
I liked it a lot

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>no car customization, limited range of weapons, one memorable mission

I didnt believe the zoomer meme until I read your post. Is car customization seriously your standard for a good game? Grow the fuck up dude

>I bet you live in valdosta or macon, you rural fuck
Comfy, but no I live in Marietta and it's alright.

i just don't understand why boomers would like IV more than V when V is closer to SA which is what a lot of old school GTA players love.

Favorite gta. Running drugs for mad profit was so much fun

Have on the old DS. One of the best games I've ever played, funny too.

>i just don't understand why boomers would like IV more than V when V is closer to SA which is what a lot of old school GTA players love.
I can't explain it either. V's story is literally about boomers who get their groove back and show the zoomer the ropes.

shit man i just moved up to gwinnett.

nice.

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>I-it's better because it has less features, fewer activities, and a smaller map than a game from a generation prior!

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No, I even mention the rest in the quote you directly greentexted my man.
Any yeah, the game had barebones customization and weaponry and a bunch of really boring ass missions save for the bank robbery and a couple absolutely memorable as fuck characters. Removing features is never a good thing, especially when it was so fleshed out in SA.

The DLC had some more weapons and better missions at least (especially BoGT), as well as a return of more side activities that the basegame lacked.

>it has less features, fewer activities, and a smaller map
4 trimmed down the excess fat of SA and what little it had, built on them.

God GTA IV Zoomers are so pathetic.
>they realize their game is way worse than VC and SA so they try to pick on V to make their game look good
Your game is soulless garbage that everyone thought was mediocre, grow up. And it had no jetpack.

>gwinnett
Nice. Metro Atlanta is pretty nice. Fuck the traffic tho.

>>they realize their game is way worse than VC
VC isn't even the best game set in VC.

What is wrong with third worlders? Why do they do things like this?

that's the worst part of living this close to the city, i can't drive anywhere outside my town between 4 and 6.

>no argument other than "muh realism" and "muh soul"

>not a single use of the words "soul" and "realism" in those post
Gay

GTA IV free roam and story is much more enjoyable than GTA V.
I love cruising around Liberty City at night, there's a very distinct cold feeling to it that you don't get from any other GTA.

GTA V often feels very hollow. The car customization is extremely good but there's so fucking little things to actually do in singleplayer with your car that it's not that advantageous.

I want a GTA in a big city where I can sell drugs, sell stolen cars, recruit homies, assassinations, rob stores, rob NPCs all in free roam in a way where every action feels like it has REAL weight to it. There are too little dynamic things going on in V for the world to be interesting.
I much prefer the serious vibes of 4 in front of the wild spectacle in V. San Andreas is the perfect mix between the two.

yeah I just still play sa and couldn't give shit about the others have fun though

other than the technology, the gunplay in V was ass. IV guns felt like actual instruments of death and not like you were popping off paintballs. once you got the micro SMG or pump shotgun and ditched your crappy 9mm you know shit just got real.

Wonder if SAMP is still alive.
So many hours of fun in Cops+Robbers and the autism RP servers.

Sucks SA pushes an anti-drug message because you they would've slapped on that CTW drug dealing if they really wanted to.

This is peak Rockstar. Max Payne 3 was a fluke. It's been nothing but pandering to niggers and children with mommy's credit card.

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It's being kept alive by south americans, russians and autistic role-playing germans.

>I want a GTA in a big city where I can sell drugs, sell stolen cars, recruit homies, assassinations, rob stores, rob NPCs all in free roam in a way where every action feels like it has REAL weight to it.
That's why we need an foreigner as the next MC. Would a Mexican drug dealer really give a fuck if his product was slowly killing people in a country that isn't his?

>IV guns felt like actual instruments of death and not like you were popping off paintballs. once you got the micro SMG or pump shotgun and ditched your crappy 9mm you know shit just got real.
FACT. You can't get this on the other GTAs unless you got mods.

youtube.com/watch?v=RrwOIjq2tRQ

where's the warriors?

The bottom looks more early GTA than IV ever did, even with all its issues and microtransactions. IV might be the most drab GTA game ever imagined, the story is alright but it has nothing going on for it. Just like Mafia 2 it's all dressing with no substance, it's not a fun game to play at all. While 3, VC and SA made grand parodies of crime fiction, politics and american culture, IV is like a Soprano episode with none of its great characters.

>While 3, VC and SA made grand parodies of crime fiction, politics and american culture, IV is like a Soprano episode with none of its great characters.
>confirmed for retard who never actually listened to the in-game news or ads

How could I forget?

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>no GTA III

shame on you.

Is that all you care about ? A fucking jet pack?

Muh no argument ... Whats yours fucking retarded

i made it user
and im the same cunt who recorded the driving webms
i dont even have to post them myself anymore other people do, i'm passively farming your cope user and there is fuck all you can do about it

>i made it user
no i made it

Yes, a jet pack, among other things. Is the story of IV so great that we have to excuse the removal of most sandbox element and side content?
Where's my ambulance missions, where's my firetruck missions, where's the import/export, where's buying and owning activities. Where's the gun variety, the car variety, customization and all the side activities you could do? Even the landscape lacks viariation, how can III looke more varied than IV, when they take place in the same city? Boggles the mind just how repetitive and samey it is. I'll take the empty country of V any time, and that's not saying much. It's just how droll and utterly devoid of fun gameplay elements IV is. Shooting a gun off a cop's hand is not a substitute for mission design.

Exactly. In fact it's the best GTA. Shame R* sucks so much ass now. Last gen was so based. LA Noire, Max Payne 3, GTA IV, the DLC for GTA IV, Red Dead Redemption and the DLC for it.

Fuck i'm depressed now.

add mp3 and rdr1

SA=VC>>III>>>IV=V

That game sucks ass

I miss how arcadey the old GTA games felt. They never really recovered after IV.

No. They're really not that good.

It was better than 5 in every way

4>VC>>SA>III>V

wow, since when did people decide they liked gta 4's driving? before 5 came out everyone hated the driving in 4.

Finished neither, both were boring.

>every way

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????
I'm a 20 year old zoomer, and i assure you all the other zoomers my were playing gta 4 when it came out.

You're right but some people just clutch onto their nostalgia way too hard here.

red pill me on bully. never played it for more than like an hour.

suck my dick

>Boy gets dropped off at academy by whore mother
>boy is a bully who moves through school social hierarchy
>go to classes and have adventures

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>LSPD
Strong grip, never drops his pistol, looks manly as fuck,cool sunglasses
>LCPD
fat and outta shape,drops his pistol on duty doesnt even try to pick it back up, wears faggy hat, runs away from illegal alien

Clearly LCPD cops are just fat cowards

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The only things IV has on V is the swing set glitch and kino explosions when you pack a bunch of cars into a gas station.
Wasted screen was way too short in V not satisfying to ragdoll off shit.

>tech demo
>none of the cool tech shown off was put into GTA5

>car customization
I too remember when I was 12 and wanted this

GTA as a series is one of the best time capsules of pop culture as well as "gamer" culture. The practices in sale for every single one of those games differs from one another. From marketing down to DLC and expansions. The PS2 trilogy focused on gameplay and aesthetics, while 4 and 5 focused on immersion.
I want to make a video about this desu. I've been thinking about this for a long time.

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>5 focused on immersion
hardly

With mods, maybe.
Vanilla? Not on your life.

>most of it MUH GRAPHIC

Were talking about NPC behavior, physic interaction etc.
Having better textures does not make it a better games.

Yeah that isn't the right word. Realism mixed with arcade-iness, maybe.

V has the worst cop ai in the entire series for some reason
youtu.be/SDUcoDnsHvI

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There is nothing more zoomer than thinking gta4 was good. It was a complete step down after san andreas. If you were actually around when it came out you would know that every hated the overly serious story and the boring missions. Atleast GTA5 has some fun parts in it.

youtube.com/watch?v=qFbkXffa85E

I will never understand this, why wouldn't they just code it so the cops can actually pit maneuver instead of this wheel teleporting gimmick bullshit

I was around when it came out and loved it, don't care what others thought, imagine being this low IQ bandwagoner

What is the best version?
DS, PSP or Mobile?

GTA is a stupid series.
The only good ones are the ones you grew up playing. Without nostalgia, VC and San Andreas are dull games. At least I can enjoy 3 with rose tinted glasses

Why did 5 decide that you should have superpowers?
>dude just press a button to make your car defy inertia

The DS version by a mile.

It's a video game. Realism faggots need to leave.

Ok retard.

Context is important. Unexplained slow motion was fine in Fear because that was a game about psychic supersoldiers anyway. In GTA it's horribly out of place.

IV > V story/characters
V > IV arcade

>V > IV arcade
what's that supposed to mean?

And what makes the DS version the best?

>More features = a better game
Philistines shouldn't post.

The game was designed for a touch screen, a lot of the game's charm comes from that. Haven't played the mobile port but no physical controls instantly puts it on the bottom for me.

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>The chad gun holder
>vs.
>The virgin gun dropper