We live in a society, Arthur

He is trying to make things right, it's society and Arthur that keep from making the Dream true.

Dutch is just Julian from trailer park boys

I'm in Saint denis right now, and this shtick about not having enough money is complete bullshit, the camp has to have over 100000 dollars at this point, that's plenty of money for these people to move on and start a new life

JUST. ONE. MORE. SCORE. A R T H U R.

Great design and voice performance. But writing is shit. Ask 10 people what Dutch's goals and motivations were and you get 10 different answers.

>durr dats the point post modernism xD

It was always about Dutch wanting to be a king

he's a greedy fuck

it's clear though: he wants to go to a paradisiac island with a lot of money.
just like the rest of the gang.
they all kill hundreds of innocents for this.
but then they're supposed to be "morally grey" and live in a society. i don't get how kids get fooled by such horrible writing

maybe he should pick up a rifle

I feel this game would be better if you could be a merc, and didn't have to do the stupid shit these people want you to do

the motivations for needing more money and killing entire towns simply isn't holding up any more

>i donated 100000
No you didn't.

I'm not sure you know what postmodernism means

>play cowboy game
>we are thieving, murdering outlaws
>game decides it needs to have a following out
>gang leader
let me repeat
>MURDERING THIEVING ***GANG*** LEADER kills someone
>oh no wat hav u dun ahfucki cunt believe youve done this

the camps share from the jobs I've done has to be around 100000 at this point

upkeep for making stew isn't anywhere close to 100000 dollars in the time frame of the game

Dutch don't give a fuck about money, at all

They were like robin hood though, they only stole and murdered people that they felt deserved it while saving and helping people in need.

There's always some disconnect in Rockstar games with in-game money vs. the narrative, like how Niko complains how he and Roman are broke even though he makes money hand over fist with the work he does. I don't recall ever being strapped for cash in a Rockstar game.

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just one more job, we need more money arthur

They drop that line once or twice but it is never reflected in their actions.

Wouldn't be surprised if that was added late to justify the retarded writing.

>kill klansmen
>get "honnor" points
>kill sadist slave driver
>get minus "honor" points

Great consistency R*

the fact that my main character still risks his life in literal gunfights everyday, instead of just working alone and being a mercenary blows my mind

Arthur could have 100000 dollars right now and be far gone from this shit show

I feel this game would have functioned better if you were a merc and could work for any faction, such as the grays giving you quests, or the law giving you quests, and not being tied to the camp, you could hire other mercs to help you

They really go out of their way to shove shit down your throat. It's nearly every single mission, women rights this, black discrimination that, injuns this. Force you to be a dick to the slave hunter and heavily encourage you to kill him for no honor loss. I AM RACIST crier in Saint Denis, WOMENS RIGHTS in saint denis.

Shit is just constant. Maybe if they werent so focused on that shit the writing would be better. Oh, like it was in the epilogue (the best part of the fucking game) where it didnt have any of that retarded shit

just fuck my shit up, Dutch

Arthur is loyal to the gang, Dutch raised him and made him the man he is. When thing start going to shit he contemplates leaving. He literally tells John as much.

In an era where like $2 could buy a week's worth of food for an entire family, the gang constantly needs hundreds to thousands of dollars. They live in fucking tents and cook over open fires.

None of this shit had any thought put into it at all and its like the bulk of the game.

keep playing, there's a story reason.

>heavily encourage you to kill him
In what way?

based brainlet

>I GOT IT ARTHUR
>SEX
>WE NEED TO HAVE SEX, ARTHUR

fuck

>do the mission for the guy to get his stuff back from his old repossessed house
>find out he worked with slaves, and after the Civil War he no longer had a job
>his life went to total shit
>Arthur with no input from the player contemplates killing this man
>the guy was brought up at a different time, he saw nothing wrong with slavery
>his time has passed too, just like the games, but I guess it's different because MUH RAYCISM

The whole quest was awful, I felt sorry for the guy. He came from a time that was passed, and did not understand the world he lived in. It was not his fault, are the Roman's evil for thinking of war as the ultimate virtue? We simply cannot apply our modern morality to the people of the past.

user, it would maybe cost a couple hundred bucks to get all of those people on a boat to Tahiti. The entire game's premise, what drives the story, is the gang needing money. Absurd impossible amounts of money. It had no thought put into it whatsoever.
They have 1000X more than they ever would have needed before the game is even half way over. The gang end up millionaires even if you're bad at the game. BUT. THEY. JUST. NEED. MORE. MONEY. because Rockstar has literal retards writing for them, and you ate it up.

Arthur points a gun at him, throws his shit in the fire, calls him shit, guy unlike many other npcs is free from the invisible force field, and the fact that no honor is lost on killing him.

To start a new life for 20 people you need a lot of money, retard.

I get it but at whatever the fuck age Arthur is right now would have been the time to move on, it obviously has gone to shit, he has to be mid 30s at least, old enough to make a big boy desicion, when faced with death every day

him saying that he doesn't care for killing people is even more in congruent when he kills about 50 people every day

the story just feels like bullshit at this point

answer me this: did you even finish the game, or at least Arthur's part of it? because this is literally answered in the finale

Arthur due to his upbringing disagrees with his life style and how is is today. You don't have to kill him or anything, you can just fucking walk away.

>Replay game to get good ending
>I suppose I can give this Master Hunter a go
>get really in to it
>Try and get Cougar
>DUDE YOU HAVE TO FINISH THE GAME AGAIN AND GET IT AS JOHN

I just wanted to have the cool hunter gear as Arthur, why do Rockstar do this every fucking game?

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MY NAME IS LEVITICUS CORNWALL!

MANGOES

Arthur doesn't go out of his way to kill people, unless you play an evil character. It's the gang that gets him into deep shit all the time.

He however knows no life other than this gang. He gives a speech in which he says that he will kill for this gang, and that he will die for it. He is trapped because this is all that he knows how to do, this is the only life that he knows. This is the tragedy with Arthur's character. Stop looking for plotholes where there aren't any and actually analyse things a little.

you dont kill him but you break his shit, and that's not a player prompt or decision. The game forces you into wokedom where in many other quests it gives you an option on what to do or how to act.

I'm not sure he knows what art is

He was bounty hunter wasn't he? He used to track down run-away slaves and keep them in his prison basement while waiting for their owners to pay him for returning them.
It's pretty easy to understand why Arthur would hate his guts.

Game gives you more ambigous choice in other grey area situations but goes all in for one side here, losing any built up moral ambuigity. Arthur is a mouthpiece for left-leaning writers. A real cowboy in that day and age wouldn't be so 2019 left-leaning politically minded, championing women/colored people as equal, fighting the damn racists/sexists, shitting on religion, etc.

He's a terrible character that is terribly written. Not to even be a character but a mouthpiece.

I know Arthurs story but from an outside perspective it's so easy to solve, just fucking leave

>a white outlaw from the 1800s hates racism
yeah my man....i can't even be sarcastic. you are fucking retarded, straight up.

They would have needed maybe $10,000.-$20,000, and coming across a couple grand is trivially easy, even in early game. Dutch wasn't promising them they'd have an army of servants and never have to work again. The dollar was worth far more, and people had lower costs of living.
There is no reasonable excuse or explanation for why the gang didn't leave right away. They had enough money.

Yeah I just remembered how shit that quest was.

I don't sperg out the minute I see a black cowboy because it's not impossible given the time period. But why did Arthur suddenly become the beacon of fucking virtue here?

One quest he threatens to take a debtors wife as a slave as payment.

So Arthur was just mad at Dutch about killing the old women because of his lying right? He changes from saying he knew she'd betray them because he knew some Spanish to claiming he could just tell from her body language.

Don't go so extreme, Arthur is a good character and Red Dead 2 is a good game. These issues that you pointed out are there, but they don't ruin the game. In my opinion at least, you can disagree.

everything is easy to solve from an outside perspective

And Arthur clearly doesn't like him. It makes sense and is in character. You yourself might have sympathy for him but Arthur does not. Arthur is also not a cowboy, he is an outlaw raised by someone who preached equality and to rebel against society. You clearly didn't play the game or are just too brainless to actually understand a huge fundamental part of his character. You are just shitposting and looking to be mad at something you don't even understand about a game you probably didn't play.

you are mentally retarded and obviously did not pay attention to arthur's background

There are only a few people who actually put in work in the gang, this is Micah's main issue with the gang. If you earn $1000 you need to split it between 20 people and now you're down to $50.

These issues you have are actually addressed in the game.

>There is no reasonable excuse or explanation for why the gang didn't leave right away. They had enough money.
Did you not fucking catch the whole theme that Dutch was just a bastard who wanted to do outlaw shit with his friends

>someone who preached equality and to rebel against society
this is some next-level satirical irony.
calm your tits, tranny.

the thing that bothers me is that Arthur is essentially the hand of God with 500 iq, he knows how to win every gunfight, finesse every situation and not be harmed, but he'll stick around a sinking ship and drown, it doesn't add up in any way

I love, adore RDR2 as a western game. I was lost in that game for months. The world and the epilogue are excellent. Voice acting and character design also top notch. Maybe too much on the collectible shit, but other than that the main story writing is straight trash. Arthur and Dutch, as much as I love their design and voices and wanted to like them, their writing is a clusterfuck as is the entire story.

Epilogue is great except for the very end when it goes back to the gang shit, because that whole final encounter made no sense.

YOU would leave, bur Arthur is not you. Like I said before he has reasons to remain and help these people, especially because they're constantly getting into deep shit when he's not there to save the day.

>the KKK and slavery are bad is now a subversive liberal opinion
white genocide can't come fast enough

>he'll stick around a sinking ship and drown
did you miss the part where Arthur was already under? Whether he escaped or not made no difference. And Arthur WAS planning on escaping before the ship sunk. Literally the entire point of the Mary Linton questline.

You know it's not the real world, right? It's Rockstar fantasy land.
Do you think San Andreas was an accurate portrayal of early 90's California gang culture too?

There's such a huge disconnect between gameplay and story.
Robbing people and killing cops lowers your honor in free roam but when you're doing it in a story mission it doesn't affect your honor at all.
This can lead to some weird moments. When you're doing that train robbery mission with John, you can beat the shit out of the passengers to help John robb them of their possessions and nothing happens to your honor but try to rob them yourself and your honor lowers.

i got it
a 7

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No one is saying that, we're simply saying that because of the time period applying modern day morality to characters does not make sense. People today are different to the people of the past, and that is how it always has been.

he has reasons to help them

but you would think that his 500 iq, and literal hand of god, and ability to finesse any situation, all of these things combined would leave you to believe he would realize how fucked this situation is and not get stuck on a sinking ship

>Camp bicycle wants to bust the bank in Valentine
>Fuck it lets go
>Pop in real quiet like do the job without going loud, only get minimally shot at
>Easiest job there ever was
>Make out like a fucking bandit
>Do with Dutch to rob a bank
>Everything falls to shit, people die, constant danger of a bullet putting sunshine in you
>End up losing all the money anyways

post face when a dumb hooker can plan and execute a heist better then Dutch Van Der Linde

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I just want a pc port and hope they use some forbidden magic to make it run on toasters.

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I tried to max my honour, and in some shooting sections I swear that regular cops spawned. These regular cops would then lower my honour when I killed them, but there was no way to distinguish between them.

Min-maxing honour was a pain in the ass, had to save-scum a lot because random things would happen and poof I'm evil now I guess.

lol I'm not there yet dude, I'm still in Saint denis

funny how their literal ship sinks

I'm the poster that says he's in Saint denis

>it makes sense
Except it fucking does not make one subatomic lick of sense given the time period.
>you might have sympathy for him
THE GAME MAKES YOU HAVE SYMPATHY FOR HIM. IT CONTRADICTS ITFUCKINGSELF.
Why else have him drunk and crying then have you find all those letters of his family and him being a good guy? Seemed like they were going to present the situation as more than just SLAVE BAD but they went all the way back on all that and undid everything they set up by just having Arthur all but kill him, the conceivable reason he doesnt is so lefties can have their "nazi killing" catharsis.
>preached equality and revel against society
He preached getting money and loyalty. Outlaws dont have fucking moral codes
Great counter point my man

Did you play the game?
The pinkertons knew about Dutch's bank robbery plans ahead of time because Micah told them

>Great counter point my man
Do I need to present a counter point? It's plain simple and evident in the game for everyone to see. Arthur's opinions make sense within his background, context and upbringing. How would it make sense for Arthur to be a white power magapede when he was raised by an ideologue proto commie anarchist and had black friends?

>you know its not real, this is our fictional (but totally real!) take on history
oh here fucking go again with this retarded sjw logic
>Do you think San Andreas was an accurate portrayal of early 90's California gang culture too?
Did Big Smoke tell CJ not to hurt or rob anyone because thats mean?

Saving Private Ryan is a fictional story, but they didnt have unicorn cavalries just because they wanted that.

>do i need to provide an argument?
>why cant i just call everyone racist
Uh yeah you do need a point you mental child.

Micah got flipped when the gang split up coming back from Cuba, they literally say this in game. Your theory makes no sense, Micah's a survivalist why the fuck would he tell the Pinkertons about the bank heist then hang around the gang to get shot?

That's the point. Dutch been had money to leave, but he wanted to follow his own ideals

Arthur is an outcast in a multi-ethnic gang. Of course, he'd hate slavery. It's another example of "the man" trying to tell people how to live.

>end of game
>tens of thousands of dollars in a chest
>rdr1 dutch continues making a gang and trying to do his thing
Why did he shoot Micah and walk away from all that money he worked to accumulate?

The world in which he lives is a racist one, inside the gang they might be fine with blacks/Indian's etc (just how I am), but you cannot forget that the world at this time is a hostile one for anyone but the white man.

He can be fine with black people, but going out of his way to shame this one racist seems no pointless when they are literally everywhere. Look at Lemoyne raiders for example, they are everywhere and 100% racist.

He could have just got the job done, got his money and went on his way. He kills people for money, but helping a slaver (you don't even know if he is racist or isn't at this point, he might have redeemed himself) is too much not to make a big scene.

tl;dr it's inconsistent

That's because they also mention they use to be like that, and some of them don't buy into it anyway like Charles.

>first part of the game is max comfy
>getting used to the controls
>getting a horse and good weapons
>hunting and upgrading camp
>story missions and side quests
>suddenly the failed bank robbery
>everyone dies
>arthur is dying
>people leaving the camp
>everyone are mad at each other
Stopped playing there, was depressing as fuck. Just wanted to try and play as john.

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Because it was never about the money, it was about being this amazing badass wild west naturalist king dude. He wanted to be a romantic hero for the "little guy" because it would fuel his own ego

Arthur doesn't point a gun at him, the guy tries to do that with his old one. And you do get a honor loss for killing him. The guy you originally responded to who mentioned about the klan even said that.

>Stopped playing there, was depressing as fuck. Just wanted to try and play as john.
things get super comfy after Arthur dies.

youtube.com/watch?v=j8068ZrwicQ

>an outcast in the gang
no
>multi-ethnic woke gang in the late 1800s
lol

All arguments of "arthur is woke and hates racism because thats his character" is equivalent bullshit as "kojima isn't perverted, quiet is nearly naked in mgs5 because of her in-universe condition that totally wasnt made up as an excuse to have a near nude attractive women in the game."

Some forget how the legend of the east outfit is clearly made for Arthur yet without that glitch to enter New Austin which from what I recall has since been patched, you can't get for him but only John who it doesn't suit. It's like having John wear Arthur's default outfit.

>Duuuhhh he couldn't have known slavery was bad back then
Enough people were telling them slavery was bad back then that they went to fucking war over it. Retard.

you do realize there were people who weren't racist in the 1800s, right? there was a whole war fought because half the country wanted people to be treated like human beings. Even if the majority of abolistionists were not legit, there were people who thought all men were created equal.

You have two options
1. Accept that Rockstar games are historically inaccurate and move on with your life.
2. Accept that with Arthur's character and background and "occupation" it makes perfect sense for him to be anti-racist, anti-slavery and anti-bounty hunters.

Crying about how he should have been ok with racists and slavers is never going to work.

Dutch is basically a functioning, highly charismatic retard.

The more money he gets, the more lavish his plan becomes.

He could've settled a patch of land with the West for like $100 and had the loyal people to do it with if he really wanted.

>going out of his way to shame this one racist seems no pointless when they are literally everywhere

You need to get out more. Why stop [incident] because [incident] literally happens everywhere - well maybe because it was there?

"Why did you want to climb Mount Everest?"
"Because it's there"

it has been patched. kind of bizzare to have an outfit and dialogues for arthur in new austin but you cant actually get there.

if you were just wanted dead or alive and allowed to roam, or got sniped in blackwater only that might have been one thing, but to lock off the entire new austin area was kind of silly

what would dutch have actually done if they made it to tahiti

Doesn't the game mention how Dutch is different, treating minorities like Charles and Lenny fairly and hating the Confederates because his father fought for the union? Arthur was essentially raised by him so it makes sense he'd be a bit more progressive then most in 1899. Even then he still shits on the chick asking for womens right to vote by saying only a brainlet would want to vote to begin with or some shit.

just one more score, we need more money arthur

Stop what incident? What are you talking about? All of this is LITERALLY in the guys past? What does he do that's racist?

My entire point is that this guy is not to blame but the system in which he was raised. He saw nothing wrong with that he did because the people of his time saw nothing wrong with it.

>things get super comfy after Arthur dies

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>Look at Lemoyne raiders for example, they are everywhere and 100% racist.
yeah, and from memory, Arthur kills every lemoyne raider he finds. Arthur also heavily dislikes other gangs because they are not just and fair like Dutch.
tl;dr - he's not inconsistent.

Because Dutch is suppose to be charismatic enough to string them along, at least until the end of chapter 3.

People from the North, not the people where they lived.

(And yes there were exceptions, but the Southerners died in their millions for their cause)

That was a very wholesome part of the game and I wished more moments were like that.

He does not, that's not true at all. There are plenty of special encounters with Lemoyne Raiders sticking people which you can simply ride past.

he doesn't kill the old man either

I already addressed this point so I won't reply to you again.

>some people werent out to lynch and enslave people
>therefore the majority of people were woke and 2019-level progressive about inclusion and equality
Ah yes, the "there was one fabled female samurai, so clearly they were 50/50 and respected" misuse of statistics "argument." People like you are incapable of understanding that people throughout the world and throughout history do not share modern liberal values.
I won't even acknowledge the term "racism" and how utterly low IQ and childish the existence of such a bogus word even is.

1. Historically innacurate is fine. Shoving politics down your throat every mission to the point that it ruins the story and takes you out of the world their more intellegent programmers slaved over to make is something worth mentioning and convincing people to get Rockstar to improve on so that future stories and games won't be such as clusterfuck.
2. You can equally accept that Quiet is not Kojima wanting a sexy woman but no really there is a condition that makes her die if she isn't exposed, it makes perfect sense and any out-of-universe look at the decisions to why that was made by the creators/writers is invalid. (this is what you sound like). Ultimately you can sit here and say Arthur's character is this or that (just like Dutch, no one can agree on what or who they are because the writing is such a mess to begin with), but even if you were right that Arthur is Antifa anti-trump 2019 San Francisco woke liberal man, that just proves my original and basic point: he is a bad character and the game is poorly written. Congratulations. For all your bitching and moaning, you have gotten no where

shame the KKK didn't have a bigger role in the game, maybe a mayor of a town was secretly a grand wizard or some shit and you have a massive shootout with them in the town square

glad you see you're at a dead end and admit defeat.

They didn't because Micah only started snitiching when they came back in chapter 5. The reason they got caught was because Dutch is a fucking brainlet leaving a trail of destruction behind him
>robbing the Cornwall train in chapter 1
>Shooting up Valentine in the end of chapter 2
>Shooting up Rhodes, burning down the braithwaite estate and murdering important figures in both of the two local well known families
>Robbing a riverboat, shooting up Saint Denis and crashing the tram, and on top of that killing the most influential man in the city
And then was astounded by the fact the Pinkertons somehow deduced that him and his group of outlaws known for robbing places were going to rob the big bank in the city.

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>stop what incident?
Nigger are you serious? Try reading that post again.

woah almost like it's a satire or something

>people were totally woke and progressive back then!
>no they werent
>ur just a racist and not everything has to be perfectly accurate. this is the better history

This is what it devolves into every fucking time.

>Why stop [incident] because [incident] literally happens everywhere - well maybe because it was there?

so you just follow current trends mindlessly like a sheep, got it.

it's not about the money for dutch

What?

>Stopped playing there
I sincerely hope your exaggerating here, because that's pretty pathetic otherwise.

people weren't walking incels from pol either indeed Yea Forums 0.1 aka The Klan(look it up) was almost non-existent at that point in time.

here's what actually happens
>it makes sense for arthur to act the way he does!
>no it doesnt, arthur should be a magapede /pol/tard 2016 election baby shitposter like me, i dont care about the game or the quality of the writing!

Indeed it wasn't, so why put it in the game? You raise a VERY good point user.

>durrr everybody else is doing it i guess I'll do it too, wouldn't want to rock the boat!!!

lol, America will be suffering the stain of it's past actions for a while to come

>no it doesnt, arthur should be a magapede /pol/tard 2016 election baby shitposter like me, i dont care about the game or the quality of the writing!

Projecting much?

just because they don't agree with your snowflake politics doesn't mean it shouldn't be put in the game lol

>The Klan(look it up) was almost non-existent at that point in time.
>just because they don't agree with your snowflake politics doesn't mean it shouldn't be put in the game lol

I guess they call this a contradiction

>the Civil War was about slavery
wrong

it isn't projection if it's true. You have polcels on here popping their top because Arthur so much as drives a wagon of suffragettes 25 feet. It's hilarious.

uh, no

I actually don't get what you're referring to. And I'm not American.

I was really disappointed in Micah. I fully expected it to be John was the rat (not willingly, maybe they threaten his family or some shit) and Milton just tells Arthur so on the off chance he got out of there he'd tear the gang apart even further. They were trying so hard to make you dislike him by making him a racist or generally unpleasant that it felt far too obvious. Would have liked it more if it was something like despite his talk of being a survivor and all he wouldn't stoop to working with the feds and would just bail and go to some shithole country and raise hell there.

>accidently antagonize black person
>arthur calls him a nigger
jesus rockstar

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But no one mentioned the suffragettes, and you did in fact contradict yourself.

I think rather than arguing with me, you're arguing with a caricature you think me to be.

you just hate being called out on your shitty behavior

Not him but not a burger so I dont know shit about the civil war, what was it actually about?

Imagine getting so worked up that some fictional video game character isnt some raging racist and thinking that EVERYONE in real life at the time hated blacks and women. Seriously just kill yourself at this point, youre an embarrassment.

How did I contradict myself

>But no one mentioned the suffragettes
polfags bring it up all the time when they whine the game is too progressive

agree wholeheartedly, shit, antagonists like Sonny Forelli were more relatable than Micah was.

Did it even matter what gun you used?

it was "not" about slavery

>How did I contradict myself
see >polfags bring it up all the time when they whine the game is too progressive
Ah yes, these mystical "polfags". Got to check under your bed every night, they might be hiding there.

cattleman only if youre a real cowboy

State Rights, now every state is (much more) a bitch to the Fed than before, allowing them to abuse the citizens with incidents like the WACO siege and Ruby Ridge with infinite impunity

>thinking that EVERYONE in real life at the time hated blacks and women

Who said this? No one said that in this thread.

again how is that a contradiction?

imagine red dead redemption 2, but being a merc and being able to do quests for every faction

you could do jobs for the Pinkertons, and dutches gang, you could do quests for the odriscolls and the grays

I literally want red dead redemtion 2 but skyrim

You're the one crying like faggot screaming that Arthur is
>Antifa anti-trump 2019 San Francisco woke liberal man
like a maniac.
Don't do the slaver quest, leave a few 3 star pelts as gifts for the boys out in the woods burning crosses, shoot the feminist in her fat face, become a serial killer of the bayou and stalk and stab niggers for thinking they will ever be "free" in the white mans country. Game improved.
Rockstar protagonists are pretty set in stone, but you're free to roleplay.

States rights to own slaves.

Just a useless piece of shit

>he doesn't like the House Building Theme

that fact that incels are trying to argue that arthur is a bad character just because of him not being racist.

>skyrim
yikes good thing nobody listens to you

That was the point, dude.

Oh, you are actually genuinely stupid.

>shoving politics into the game
Arthur has black and native american friends, and is on the run from the government, so he can relate to people who are on the outs of the government

When he meets the feminist, he says "sure, anyone dumb enough to want to vote should be able to" because he doesn't give a fuck about politics.

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I'm waiting bro. Please tell me why you think so so I can tell you why you're wrong.

>that fact that incels are trying to argue that arthur is a bad character just because of him not being racist.

No one said that, this is an argument that was not made by anyone.

I never claimed they were. I only claim that people were not as progressive as displayed in the game.

Assuming I am arguing the other extreme is a logical fallacy.

See above, same fallacy being applied. And the reason it does not make sense has been carefully explained, yet ignored. You don't like being proven wrong, so you pretend it doesn't exist.

And again, the same logicaly fallacy being applied.
>lets make this character far left leaning despite the ridiculousness of it given the time period and setting
>thats dumb
>huh waht u just want far right wing nigger killer?
If you don't use logic no one will ever take you seriously. And no one here does.

Yeah, state rights to slavery

not gonna spoonfeed you bro, if you're too stupid then that's on you

>I only claim that people were not as progressive as displayed in the game.

and you base this off of...? People are still shown as plenty racist in this game sounds like you're just looking for a reason to be offended like some lazy SJW

I assumed there was more to it then that, was just wondering what. Kept meaning to look it up but always forgot.
Thanks user.

It was already explained. Please read the thread.

I accept your concession then :)

lol cope harder polcel

Why aren't there any black people in the big bad goverment? Oh right the game glorifies blackness, and white people like Cornwall are mustache twirling levels of evil because le fuck capitialism fuck corporations fuck white people right?

Again, refer back to the Quiet bit that has been posted several times. You have conveniently ignored that which proves this very stupid post of yours to be, well, stupid.

what a goofball lmao xD

No but seriously user, actually look at what you said. it's easy to see how you contradicted yourself.

>le "you just racist /pol/fag"
So not liking that the obvious dude I'm suppose to hate was actually the bad guy all along instead of something that could have added more to John and Dutch's characters?

Pretty much since the beginning of the US, the states couldn't agree about slavery. There was a constant back and forth about slavery. People hated it, people loved it, people manipulated polls to either get rid of it or make it endure.

The Civil war was basically about slavery, and the people who think it wasn't were being manipulated by wealthy plantation owners into thinking it was some noble cause.

I base this on the fact that women did not have suffrage in 1899 and slaves still existed. That's just one example. Should we open up an entire history textbook?

Nope. I never said snowflake politics shouldn't be in games at all, just retarded shit like alt-right nonsense that wouldn't serve anything other than add cringe to the game.

Why are you so scared of /pol/? Why do you keep bringing it up?

people gerrymandered and kicked people off land to make sure states were ratified into being slave states.

I would take comparing not every person is racist to female samurai to imply that.

But Micah's not even a bad guy dude, he's just an incel.

>women didn't have suffrage back then so suffragettes didn't exist
bruh, you're dumb.

White people had a higher chance of being in positions of power

So "snowflake" politics are ok as long as you agree with them?

I would prefer no politics myself, this would give the game a sense of timelessness, as political opinions constantly change.

Also, we see that John is also perfectly fine with Charles and Sadie in the epilogue. But they have a better developed relationship where they act as friends and like humans. Not like liberal mouthpieces shoving politics down your throat in every single mission in the main story. That's why the epilogue is better, why John is better.

better than the story we got forced into

letting it be more open ended means you don't have to put up with the dumb shit in the story personally

also they take out shake cam and make you die in 3 shots so the game is more of a challenge would be nice as well, imagine needing surgery or getting addicted to morphine

what we get in place of depth is, dutch, which is a horrific trade off, also if the missions were more open ended, you wouldn't have to deal with the shit ai or their incessant babbling about the same shit repeatedly

this would improve the game in every way

also add a hunger system so you have something to do with all the food you have

>I've been found out!

I just want the children to remain on the designated shitting board.

That's not what I said, but not much is worse than alt-right snowflake politics.

>I would prefer no politics myself,
good, it brings a smile to my face to hear you people squirm

What? What you wrote grammatically makes no sense.

LISTEN UP ARTHUR I GOT A PLAN
JUST ONE MORE HEIST
WE'RE GONNA STEAL THE STAND ARROW FROM DIAVOLO

lol RDR2 is one of the best video game stories ever made you bitter incel. cope harder

Identity politics everyone. These people think they're talking to someone they're not.

>women didn't have suffrage back then so suffragettes didn't exist
Strawman. I was responding to being asked for evidence that not everyone back in that age were woke and progressive. I never said women fighting for suffrage did not exist.

Black people and black/indian mixed people had equally and extremely low odds of being a gang of outlaws (or in charles' case, even existing). Amazing how liberals want to pull the "well there was 1 so it was half and half and completely normal" when it comes to justifying putting blacks in hero's position, but when it comes to selecting who to be super villains they want to pay more attention to statistics.

Is this bait?
My point is that they try to make Micah so unlikeable it comes off as comical almost, and feels like the way a kid would write the bad guy in their story to make sure you'd hate them because hes a menace all the time.

racism is bad, kiddo.

>arthur is a bad character just because of him not being racist.
This is a gargantuan strawman and exhibit fucking A of why arguing with liberals is like arguing with children.

I thought there was some form of a hunger meter. Are you sure you played the game?

>also add a hunger system so you have something to do with all the food you have
But there is a food, coffee and booze system.
Have you even played the game?.

no it isnt, it'd full of pointless bullshit and tedious from the start, if they took out the shake cam and made the movement less sluggish the game could be amazing

>I never said women fighting for suffrage did not exist.
And yet that's exactly what you're bitching about RDR2 representing. Cry harder incel you're pathetic.

Other then Charles mentioning how Dutch treats him fair for being a mutt and sperging out over the buffalo I don't recall them forcing politics with every mission with him. Sadie was bad though and imo she was better done in the epilogue. It was the only time I actually liked her as a character.

As much as these polcels talk about liberals whining and being snowflakes, they are just as fucking pathetic. Constantly bitching a complaining and making themselves out to be some victim of oppression. All you fucking right and left retards just need to kill yourselves or each other already

health core isn't hunger as far as I know, address the other valid points I had

But that's what we get: incels on pol trying to start shit because Arthur isn't constantly asking about the JQ or something, it's really pathetic.

Call liberals children, then act like little baby bitch when people point out youre a racist idiot.

yea I'm in Saint denis right now

are my other points not valid

I feel the game could be better with less tedious bullshit

it controls fine, lil'zoom

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No user I'm pretty sure you had a hunger meter. Wasn't it a part of the tutorial where you pick up some food from a shack and are told to eat it to fill your stomach?

state your age, and don't lie

98

>And yet that's exactly what you're bitching about RDR2 representing
Incorrect.
>Incel
Yes tell me about all your sexual experiences with fat blue haired tumbleras and how much they love your strawman arguments. Not like the liberal party is a philosophy of the weak and losers of natural selection or anything.
No one asked arthur to lynch black people. How hard is it for you fucks to recognize basic logical fallacies (as much as I hate using the fucking term)?

don't remember, that was probably over 30 gameplay hours ago

Considering the year it came out, gta 5 ran really well on my old toaster with a gtx 275 so I think they'll do fine, stay away from ultra settings and shit tho

Someone post the webm

did I say it wasn't?

>arthur and the main story leans way too much into politics
>epilogue is great, john charles and sadie are all likeable characters
>no ur just being racist
ok my dude dont spill your soi latte on on your apple watch

>No one asked arthur to lynch black people.
What does that have to do with anything?

>Incorrect
lol okay kid.

Then they weren't outlaws

I'm 25, ironically zoomers like shit controls more because they've never had good gameplay, they got into gaming when it was on a decline

>you can totally tell how a game controls with a video of someone playing it poorly

lol im sure it will come to PC soon, kiddo.

Having John be the snitch would have been fantastic, especially when you have rdr1 in mind

Imagine making a post this dumb.

It's an alternative reality game for leftist. Arthur has the mindset of a homo liberal of today

In other words "I have sufficiently ignored enough evidence and arguments while only providing logical fallacies and insults and am at the point where I have successfully driven the conversation to an end and I can leave with one more insult and not have to tell myself I lost an argument"
You do you buddy.

imagine being a zoomer that never experienced good controls in a video game

is that really worse than a schizo polcel?

Yes

No dude, you just throw arbitrary standards at the game to accuse it of being not racist enough and as such part of the Zionist libural propaganda machine. You and your lot are crazy

I'm older than you sonny jim

>says the schizo polcel
lmao have sex

The obsession with the word "game" and demaning every game control and be exactly the same with the same focus on fast fluid movement and combat is cancerous thinking that limits creativity. RDR2 from a gameplay perspective does a fantastic job of providing you a wild west cowboy game. It's not meant to be fucking bump n jump or fortnite.

Complaining about RDR2 suffering for slower pace is like complaing that Phoenix Wright is a dogshit series because you don't shoot anyone.

let's hear your age then faggot, hopefully you weren't stuck with boring Mario shit all your life

>accuse it of being not racist enough and as such part of the Zionist libural propaganda machine
Who said this?

>you just throw arbitrary standards at the game
Standards of the time in which it is set

>You and your lot are crazy
Who is this lot?

>not racist enough
You keep churning out that strawman on repeat. Then you wonder why the NPC meme exists. Because you are incapable of developing higher thought and reading and adapting to counterarguments.

I have a wife, so I will be having sex in a few hours. Thanks for the reminder!

>Standards of the time in which it is set
And there are plenty of people being racist around Arthur that you choose to ignore because no one outright asks him to lynch a black person. That's crazy.

Arthur literally believes in men being equal to each other which isnt that out of character for how he was brought up because dutch is the same way. This is hardly ever shoved down your throat. Theres one side quest and one random encounter where he notes this, and its not even that preachy. The mission where he drives the women's sufferage wagon only happens because he was making sure no one was going to get killed. He seemed very passive on the actual subject and was reluctant on the whole thing in general. Him not knowing about how racist the south was until lenny telling him so is a stretch but its likely that arthur has not been exposed to the south much in his lifetime.
tl:dr you're a retard

Mom doesn't count.

liking more action and not having an endless shake cam that fucks up your screen is somehow, against wanting to be a cowboy

cowboys can't take 50 rifle shots either

forcing you to move like a fucking slug with no motor skills isn't reminiscent of realistic cowboy gunfights

watch professional paintball and tell me they move like arthur

or watch footage of Iraq war gunfights and tell me they react as sluggishly as arthur does

prove me wrong. All the polcel bitching has been about how "uhh ackshully 1899 was a lot more racister!!!"

>And there are plenty of people being racist around Arthur that you choose to ignore because no one outright asks him to lynch a black person
No one was making a point that Arthur should be racist you know

>That's crazy.
The fact that this is what you took from this thread is indeed crazy

I have multiple times in this thread. What point would there be in typing it a 5th time only to have you ignore it a 5th time and just call me a boogeyman for the 5th time?

Not to mention the irony R* is showing of people putting progressive beliefs on a pedestal and using it to justify unsavory conduct.

>uhh ackshully 1899 was a lot more racister!!!
Wait, so are you saying it wasn't? Of course it was.

JUST ONE MORE SCORE, KEEP THAT DONATION BOX FLOWING ARTHUR

>No one was making a point that Arthur should be racist you know
I never said that

>The fact that this is what you took from this thread is indeed crazy
That's literally what you said lol.

lol where.

If you say so, but that doesn't mean we should get a game that revels in it today like all you children are clamoring for

>can take 50 rifle shots
You can't.
>move like a slug
Only in the camps which is debatably necessary
>comparing cowboy shootout with paintball and modern warfare
come on now. Even if we play along, you are overstating how slow and limited the mobility in the game are.

>If you say so
I mean, I am factually correct. I'm not just saying so.

MAY I?!? STAND BUTT SHAVEN!?!

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All conservatives should be put in camps and castrated

Who's gonna pay your welfare then?

Except there's lots of racism in the game and it never claimed to be an all encompassing exploration of that in that time period.

Thats dutch's whole character. He preaches equality and freedom for every man but uses people for his own gain and kills innocents plenty enough.
I never looked at it like that.

>You can't.
Yes you can. You can stand there and continually keep getting shot while healing.

movement and sickness was more important in that era because guns weren't fully auto

practising your draw was a real thing

cowboys lived and died on reaction time

and you mean to tell me making arthur move like a slug, and having a constant shake cam to fuck up your shots is realism

fuck off bruh bruh

>Arthur literally believes in men being equal to each other which isnt that out of character for how he was brought up because dutch is the same way.
Give up. According to the /pol/tards this just makes Arthur and Dutch poorly written characters and mouthpieces for the libtard devs because given the time they SHOULD have been ok with racism and slavery. No matter their beliefs or backgrounds.

Using in-universe explanation to say why a character isn't poorly written is so utterly retarded and off-topic I literally do not even know where to begin with this.
>this wall should be painted white
>but i painted red
>thats a ridiculous color for a living room wall
>not its not its red because of the pigmentation in the paint that reflects red light.

*slickness

Conservative states use the most welfare.

>According to the /pol/tards this just makes Arthur and Dutch poorly written characters and mouthpieces for the libtard devs because given the time they SHOULD have been ok with racism and slavery.
No one said this.

there's a reason using health items prevents you from getting a gold rating

Overrated

He doesn't move like a slug, the movement controls just emphasize his momentum.

Asshurt

Ah, this gold rating that isn't told until after you finish the mission.

There's niggers and women in your gang. Rockstar are leftists.

>while healing
Thanks for proving my point.
>he move like a slug
Except he doesn't
>shake cam
It's hardly invasive especially with the autoaim and deadeye you are using.

>NO MOM IT'S NOT RACIST ENOUGH!!!!!!

yes, and?

>Thanks for proving my point.
How is that proving your point? You can get shot 50 times and live, this literally proves MY point!

the shit has considerable delay, come on man, the game has unresponsive controls, you can't argue that

Again, you're just pooper peeved because the story chooses to focus on people who identify as progressive

tap x.

Strawman and insult ad nauseam until everyone gets sick of your retarded shit and leaves so you never have to admit defeat. That's the liberal way.

the shake cam throws off shots even when you're aiming directly at someone

Or maybe you can come up with an actual argument first lol

Both of them plus this

>video game
>can heal
whoa man.

Please tell me your favorite games, or at least think about them by yourself and tell yourself they are shit because with healing items your character can take an unlimited number of attacks.

only when you have low stamina

ah and you failed to address the fact you got blown the fuck out on the realism angle care to concede on that front

Kids identify with Dutch himself instead of seeing him as a bad guy

Many have been spelled out through this thread. All you have to do is not be lazy and look.

>not be lazy
>desire to improve ones argument or oneself in any way rather than just scream and complain
>a liberal
Welp...

what realism angle did i get btfo on exactly?

really, are you bullshiting or is that true, I thought it was based on suppression

Have some goddamn FAITH user

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lol you've just been ignoring any counter argument to anything you've said because all you understand these days is racism

gunfights in the wild west were based on reaction time and slick movement, the opposite of red dead redemption 2's controls which are sluggish

How is he poorly written again?

He's a man who's been around colored men his whole life, no shit that he treats everyone the same. Being white in 1899 did not equate to you being a racist, it all depended on who raised you and where you grew up. It wasn't the norm at the time and this is made pretty clear when you get to lemoyne especially. But you also arent the norm, you're in a gang lead by a progressive thinking psuedo messiah who thinks he'll lead his flock to victory by fucking the rich and helping the poor.
To be an outlaw is to oppose the system, dutch doesn't stop there, he opposes pretty much all the norms of that time which was likely a rare thing but it could have still happened.

Arthur's turnaround happens when he find out he's going to die. You can tell he steps off that high horse a bit and just wants to right his wrongs in life to have some peace in death. \

He's a fine rockstar protagonist, but I do think dutch's descent into madness could've been a lil better.

lol what kind of argument is this, just tap x if you want to go fast. You do know that cowboys weren't controlled like this in the wild west days, right?

He's poorly written because he isn't a mouthpiece for my pol agenda

I wasn't talking about sprint speed I was talking about input lag, and general movement speed

Your gold glitch is non-canon

that "input lag" is only exacerbated because you aren't pressing x

wrong, sprinting is not what you do while in gunfights, the responsiveness of the controls in gunfights are sluggish

and you don't sprint just by pressing x, learn the controls before you criticize them lol

you failed to address the sluggish controls based on input lag, and general slow movement speed of the character

it seems this conversation is over your head because you've never played a game that controls well run along now

what?

I did though, what you're complaining about is by design and has a control input to overcome it. You can cover your ears and screech all you want but that's all just cope

Who is Jim Lahey?

Dutch never planned to leave, that's the point.

>No one said this.
You did. /pol/tard so far gone he can't even remember the dumbfuckery he writes himself.

the problem isn't the healing

the user argued that slow movement speed and sluggish controls were realistic in a cowboy game

aside from that not being true

cowboys also can't take 50 rifle shots to the dome and live, which isn't realistic

that was his argument

I'm still in Saint denis

thanks for the spoiler kind of, kind of frustrating how this story turns out

that's not what's meant by "realistic", big brain.

>rob an old lady in a West Elizabeth cabin
>kill her because she's an annoying bitch
>return to the area later in the game
>decide to revisit the location
>her kids are there to get revenge on me
>kill them, notice they buried her close by
>"couldn't have happened to a nicer lady"
>mfw

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What are the chances of the player controlling a leftist protagonist in a racist era.

he argued that sluggish movement is realistic in a cowboy game

which isn't true

it also isn't realistic to take 50 rifle shots and live

further demonstrating that his argument is bullshit

are you starting to get it now

you don't understand what that argument is meant to convey. How exactly do you measure the realism inherent in a control scheme anyway?

what are the chances of you having sex?

If you leave her alive and return much, much later you find her rotting corpse laying in her bed with the blankets over her. You can take them off and see her, but if you position yourself a certain way before that so you can see the top of her head peaking out from the covers, she's still looking around and blinking for some reason.

Scared the shit out of me. Definitely a bug, and a really creepy one at that.

fights in the wild west were predicated on reaction time and slick movement, which is the opposite of what red dead 2 allows you to do

that's what makes the controls unrealistic

that makes no sense dude. Fights in the wild west weren't about snappy and responsive video game controls, and the "sluggishness" in the controls in RDR2 is meant to emulate the effort cowboys go through to pull off their refined reflexes etc.

Oh fuck

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>Arthur, we're gonna get a semi-legitimate business started

You can't have sex with whores either. Yet, another reason why Rockstar are cucks.

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Heavily disagree with this. I actually was surprised at how toned down the leftist shit was in the game.

>kill a Lawman™ during a story mission
>don't lose any Honor™

>kill a Lawman™ during free roam
>lose Honor™ because it's not part of the Cinematic Experience™

The game is pretty inconsistent about this as well, there are a few missions in the story where you have to kill or rob and lose honor for it.

This, how do people still think Micah was a rat despite Dutch doing pretty much everything he could to paint a target on his back and let the pinkertons know where he was.

Fags bitching over the game being too leftist should really die.
Since the first redemption we know dutch's gang is fucking multi racial and pretty commie/anarchist, of course arthur would be against slavery for fuck sake, it's not bad writing because you disagreee with a character.
You criticize sjw for being autoritarian in regard to what is supposed to be allowed or not in videogames and yet you act exactly the same. Same level of retard just different opinions.

inb4 someone posts that centrist pic

Well, it's almost a compliment at this point.

Arthur's motivations for staying with the gang are only ever told not shown so it's understandable that the player could have a major dissonance from the actions Arthur takes throughout the stories course.

Dutchposting and Chrisposting were great. Broken delusional people railing futile against what's coming.

Self Defense is honorable, cold blooded murder isn't.

You can tell the gang doesn't truly believe that, They tell themselves that to justify their actions and clean their conscious, They figure it out in the end

Not really

>this MC is different from me wtf?!?!???

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>Self Defense is honorable
Not when you are committing a crime it's not.

That blow to the head really fucked with dutch

But RDR is just a satire showing that the problems we have to day (technological progress causing massive upheavals, social fights over the rights of women and minorities, government abuse of power, military adventurism, environmental problems etc.) are nothing new to American society. Sure, Arthur is a little more progressive than what you think cowpokes were but most cowpokes don't eat tons of beans, murder everyone in a town and then go to another town and get drunk and compliment everyone to wash away their sins.

You fags are truly insufferable. Fuck you and your social issues, I just want to play games

Based retard, I wrote exactly what you're saying, seems like you can't read.

I too want to play games. But given how R* has used their games to comment on American history and society for fucking decades, I suppose you're a braindead fucktard for expecting RDR2 to be totally devoid of any such content.

You clown
The Civil War was just as much about slavery as it was individual state’s rights and secession. Yes, slavery was the marquee issue in that conversation but it wasn’t “Us Northerners are all unanimously against racism and slavery and those Southerners are all unanimously for those things so that is the only reason we’re going to kill eachother!”

Get a deeper understanding of history than what you’d get from Twitter

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Great minds think alike, Can we at least agree that these real life issues don't belong in a hobby about escapism? No matter what side you are on?

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>video games CAN'T be political

cry harder, no shit a modern day mass consumption AAA video game is going to draw on contemporary social moors

Some Yankees burned Irish churches everywhere they went and Grant said that if the war was to free the slaves he'd have joined the rebellion. Here's the most racist writing I've encountered during my studies of it. This Confederate soldier would fit right in on /pol/

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Anyone here ever been to Tahiti? Fuck why am I even asking that here.

They can be political, But they usually suck most of the time. As usual you dodge the questions, Find some thick rope.

>wahh no politics in games I might disagree with them and be reminded that other people think differently

Grow up.

lol fag

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That's not the issue. The biggest problem I had with Arthur was that he wasn't a very believable character, his motivations are hard to get behind because we as the viewer only really see glimpses of what he really wants. If the game had of taken the time to set up a more positive outlook of the gang then his character might have actually made sense.

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Better yet get some cheese wire

It's not like the game made it hard to believe that life with the game was undesirable. They clearly paint Dutch as a manipulative and charismatic leader who took people like Arthur and John in as impressionable teenagers... you connect the dots

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*life with the gang

gamer girls ryze up we live in a sosiety

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So you like games being used as a political platform for activism? Sounds like you care more about politics than the games, user. Why do you have to be so gay?

Really sucks knowing what the future holds and seeing ditch lose it, pinkertons talking high and mighty about "civilization" when all that really changed was how you play the game, two world wars, organized crime, ext. Really fun to think about how full of shit both dutch and the pinkertons were.

He was well on his way to losing his shit before that, but it definitely didn't help

Abolitionists have existed since the 1700s and groups like Quakers and baptists were always opposed and were outspoken against slavery.

I don't mind games being political platforms if they are done in an entertaining and natural manner. Too often they're hamfisted but occasionally some are done with tact.

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>That whole spiel the agents give in RDR 1 about how the military will soon win every war thanks to new technology

>Fags bitching over the game being too leftist should really die.
Lads.

I AIN'T NO MONKEY

Not die, just realize that teasing modern society doesn't mean that it's advocating abolition of private property and mass race mixing or whatever you faggots are crying about.

what you quoted is true

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>ebin killing of npc
>arthur has a faggy haircut as well
holy kek

lol cope

What are you even on about you delusional freak? I'm going to hurt some random leftist over your stupidity, Thanks user.

Go ahead you fucking moron.

Oh my God you are so fucking stupid

Does anyone else find it weird that mexicans aren't very numerous in his game? Blacks, women, and indians have fairly large roles but mexicans don't. Javier felt like he wasn't even present very often. The only other mexicans in the game are bandits. With the exception of the explorer guy. Normally, I wouldn't really give a shit, but considering what they did with the other aforementioned groups, why weren't they that present?

seething

Poor bastard is going to get months of bottled up rage. And it's your fault

I'm not the one booty blasted that people can't agree with him.

Yeah, well they're not the merry men from the start you retard, but eventually Dutch's plans get dumber and more dangerous and nothing ever gets better--it only ever gets worse. And people keep dying, and in greater numbers.

I think the number Dutch throws around a lot is $10000 dollars. That's a trivial amount of money to donate, let alone collect, before you're ever near the half-way point in the game.

>Fags bitching over the game being too leftist should really die.
Right. Keep telling yourself that

RDR2 is quite a technical mess when you think about it
if it were a movie, or a tv show, it would mostly make sense and be an amazing journey. But putting the "game" part into the equation just kinda fucks the experience a little bit. This game needed more polish, it almost didn't seem like the story writers even worked with the game designers. Both seem to be their own thing. They don't come together very well

The mods for this are going to be fun, I'm going to have an army of Klansmen

Wait no he didn't, wait, really? no?

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Having multiple endings depending on how much cash you gave to the camp would actually be pretty cool

An ending where Arthur doesn't get TB and goes on to live would be even better. I know that seems like a lot of work, but all you'd have to do is alter the cutscenes where he's coughing/talking about TB, and add a couple of new ones near the end. Like, him fucking off to California and being presumed dead by the authorities and the other gang members (except for John)

A gal? As president? Well, what I can tell ya is its been nothin' but fellers since this whole thing here started up and what have we got? A bunch of other dead fellers. What have we got ta lose? I reckon' tryin' a gal's touch wouldn't do anyone no harm. If weakness is a concern of yours, I promise you some of the ladies runnin' in my gang would probably make Old Hickory look like a nancy in comparison. Hell, I'd reckon its her turn.

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he's gone user

let me dream user. let me dream.

Lettin' a black feller do yer wife? Well, if the old lady's havin' fun, who am I to deny her that? I reckon that feller's got a bigger one than me anyway. Besides, we gotta pay some back for that whole slavery bid'ness we did to them. Dutch raised me and I ain't his real son, so I'll raise my wife's son, whether he's black or white.

it's true, they had enough money to easily pay for them to all fuck off to another country and live relatively well as early as the valentine heist. they stayed because dutch didn't really want to leave. he never did. he just wanted to keep living the life and he wanted to live it right there in the US.

They were on their way user all we need is a little money, now COME ON.

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WE'RE GOING TO TAHITI BOYS

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Economics, if slavery had persisted eventually people would've began moving thier factories down south. The profit from not having to pay your workers would've been huge.

>tfw no DLC where the gang makes it to Tahiti but it's infested by zombies or some shit
>Instead just constant shitty updates to their awful RDO

I can't take it no more.

FARM US SOME

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Bretty gud

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Hey, he just wanted them to live as free out of oppression of governments and society. He wanted to go back to the days where the Wild West was wild.

Slavery would have been phased out by the cotton gin. Machines are cheaper and faster than negroes.

Bullshit, His hatred towards slavery and the poor injuns goes against his values of freedom, True freedom is the right to say and do what you damn well please, Regardless of morality. That is the Wild West.

How much was a slave compared to a machine? Niggers have less maintenance and are easy to replace.

>His hatred towards slavery and the poor injuns
>he thinks Dutch actually cared about the Indians
user I think you missed the point

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He was a conman through and through, But he was also a preacher of sorts, He had his own code

He also cared enough about them to live with them in a commune after RDR2.

what code? the only thing he is consistent on is "fuck the laws of society" -- an opposition to a philosophy is not a philosophy in and of itself
and he lived with Arthur and John in a camp for months despite evidently ceasing to care about them. He also was ostensibly in a relationship with Molly for who-knows-how-long but definitely didn't care about her at all. He uses people

Dutch always used the Indians for his own means. Stirs up the chiefs son with talk about revenge and all that but he just wanted to use the war as a smokescreen to escape to T A H I T I. In 1, he was doing much of the same thing, going to the reservation and talking a good talk but he was at the heights of his batshit insanity and just needed soldiers for his pointless war against everything.

Dutch's philosophy was a mishmash of Luddite thought, anarchism and environmental conservation.

>Luddite
>uses guns, a phonograph and carries an expensive pocketwatch -- even had a maxim machine gun set up at Cochinay
>anarchism
>forms a gang with a nonflat decision-making hierarchy and forces members to contribute financially to the whole
>environmental conservation
>broofs?

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I honestly wish it would make Arthur more flawed

It wasn’t Micah, it was Dutch’s girl. The Irish chick.

She was a red herring. The Pinkertons questioned her, but couldn't get anything out of her so they let her go. She said she sold them out to hurt Dutch.

Not him but I would say a mix of libertarian and anarchist. He just hates centralized authority in general.

As far as environmental conservation, this is mentioned multiple times. He is a big fan of Evelynn Miller and reads his books (the guy's main point is that the american landscape is the countrie's real substance and that the americans and doing the same mistakes as in Europe by building and exploiting nature aggressively.
It is further showcased narratively. The more the game advances, the more you go through polluted areas, this situation worsens just like Dutch's mental stability.

Hey, he's a hypocrite. In 1 he rails against technology and what not taming the west but he uses a C93 and escapes the bank robbery in a car. The environmental stuff comes from his attempted emulation of the "noble savage" stereotype. All in all though he's just a asshole who rails against DA MAN because he can.

>t. damn yankee

>t. cousinfucker

you will not reap any of the mangos with that attitude cowpoke

>Tfw people have no imagination.
Modern moralfags not getting the point.

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Fuck mangos, fuck outlaws and fuck Tahiti.

t. Cornwall

Stop looking for plotholes where there aren't any and actually analyse things a little.
Finding plot holes comes with ANALYZING anything. You find them during analysis.

This thread is the prime example of idiots that have no real scope of ethics or philosophy.

Listen children. Left vs right will ALWAYS be the most superficial and insincere philosophy debate ever. What RDR is doing here goes a bit deeper than that.

Yes, Arthur wasn't a racist and hated racists, bit that's not because he was an SJW Tumblr snowflake looking for brownie points, it was because he believed in equality. Similarly, Arthur also thinks politics are dumb and insincere, so he wouldnt exactly be rushing to vote for Obama either. He doesn't love or fetishise black people like dumb leftists do, he just treats them like he would anybody else.

Mind you, that doesn't mean he's a good guy. The entire story is about his redemption for being a mudering piece of shit his entire life, and how he will never be able to atone for his sins. Thats the crux of his character, the game is telling you right to your face that Arthur is not a good man.

Your whining about politics in a game that isn't at all about politics only shows how stupid you're being. This isn't a RDR2 thread, it's a libtards vs polfags thread.

>fuk u he shuld call lenni a nigga lmao. he dont so he pink haired antiwhite jew.

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Hey Anons what kind of Story dlc are you hoping for? i either want to play as a young Arthur or Someone in the gang in their heyday so i can interact with Arthur OR play as either Bill and run my own Gang and drive the Del Lobos outta New Austin or as Javier and Explore his story/life before and after he left the gang

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undead nightmare 2

no competition

I hope against hope we even see a single player DLC.

Dutch was slowly realising that his desired life was slowly going to be nothing in the face of industrialisation
He even acknowledges it in the end of Rdr1

Cmon Undead or Vampire Arthur

JUST ONE MORE

He was just a violent savage that tried to justify his actions to his cult that there's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, but there's none.

Maybe a DLC where you figure out what happened on the boat in blackwater

GRAVITY

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A vampire dlc could also be really cool.

what would it be called?

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Why are they spinning? Is RDR 2 a video game adaptation of Steel Ball Run?

>RDR2 undead nightmare army of darkness

>Letting those freed slaves have their carnal way with your wife seems only fair, given what we done to'em. It's 'bout time that us white men step back to let people of color take their rightful charge o things.

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A white outlaw raised by a romantic idealist who sees the rising industrialisation as a repeat of the European fiefdoms with robber barons for kings, breaking the promise of the new world, detests slavery? Wow.

Mr. Strawman, bring me some straw
make it a conclusion that's insane to draw

cameo.com/bigbendavis

some richfag hire him to spout some nonsense about tranny jannies and having just one more thread

user I INSIST

no this is the what if arc where we get Arturo con fe teaming up with Dutch con fe quantum tunneling the gang to Tahiti

>Antman and the Wasp

Huh.

The game is great but chapter 5 jumped the shark way too hard. Destroying a whole naval warship, really?

Is that less believable than the gang and a handful of Native Americans going toe to toe with an entire regiment of the US Army?

I always pick fist fights drag the blacks around saint Dennis when play as Arthur, he was a flaw hero that hates uppity blacks