All Kojima had to do was play it safe, and this game could've been one of the best games ever.
Just show Big Boss's descent into villainy and his fall out with Kaz. Get rid of the open world shit, and just make it like ground zeroes but with different levels.
Then in the end you get your ass kicked by Snake.
Done.
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It physically fucking hurts playing Ground Zeroes because of the sheer amount of wasted potential.
Its still one of my favorite games, its flawed but what we got is great.
>Just show Big Boss's descent into villainy and his fall out with Kaz.
It does both of these things, it's just mostly relegated to the background. I think MGSV's plot is pretty dumb, but I think it's more interesting than the game spoon-feeding us shit about Big Boss we already knew. Big Boss being a manipulative dick isn't anything new either, of course, but making that the backdrop instead of the foreground of the story makes it a little more eerie than it otherwise would have been. The Big Boss prequels were a mistake to begin with anyway.
It doesn't show Big Boss's descent into villainy at all, the fuck do you mean? He's the same person in the end as in PW.
>He's the same person in the end as in PW.
Clearly not. MSF's destruction seems to be the spark that sets off his bigger ambitions with Outer Heaven, and he's willing to ditch everyone else to make sure it comes to fruition. Hence Miller's reaction to Ocelot's matter-of-fact explanation.
>almost a post credit cutscene
>"hah yeah, I'm bad right ?"
>rewrite the events just to force your OC in
>this is somehow considered "background"
apologists are the worst
Autists mad that their fanfiction didn't come true three years later are worse
that's what I said, remove the medic, he doesn't even exist
Never played this game and all I saw are just a few gifs with Shanke and porn with Quiet.
Should I try it, bros?
Snake*
I'm not sure what part of your whining is supposed to contradict what I said. You don't have to like it (I don't either, for the most part), but it is there.
Play all of the previous games first
I personally found the gameplay fun, I'm one of the few who enjoyed the more open way of approaching the few bases, chosing how to sneak in or just charging a tank in.
However, the story was definitely meh. The entire game feels incomplete. A lot of the later missions are just literal repeats of earlier ones but harder. Also get ready to hear the word Wolbacia a lot.
if you're an MGS fan, you will hate it. if you have no feelings or interest for the MGS story, you will probably enjoy it.
you are wrong and haven't played enough games
>big boss decent into villainy
jesus christ.
I played ALOT of games, if im wrong that subjective
Also fuck that "GUEST STARRING" bullshit. Cuts any suspense and mystery on what to expect.
>Ocelot and Master Miller are on your codec for the whole game
>they're massive boring faggots the whole time and nothing like their former selves
fucking
kojima
why the FUCK did he do this?
Big Boss never was a villain.
MGSV is a masterpiece.
Not Kojima's fault some spergs like OP never grew up out of silliness of first games where previous voice actor was literally a marketing choice for 15 yo kids.
You'd have to wipe the entire parasite plot too. That's worse to me than anything to do with being Venom or Big Boss.
sounds boring mgs3 tier straightforward spoonfed story, mgsv is pure ludo
2>V>1>3>PW>4
>Big Boss never was a villain.
He very much was.
This, MGSV is easily the best Metal Gear game. Its hated only by lore autists who didnt get their headcanon.
The next game Kojimbles makes -- if that happens -- he should be deprived of all forms of television. Fucking soap opera approach.
It was GOTY 2015, easily.
because MGS V was a literally a movie or rather recruitment tape from the perspective of the boss to show other soldiers.
>Big Boss never was a villian
Imagine having this be your takeaway from V
The man had an entire hospital full of civilians gunned down as his own personal meatshields because he was too big of a faggot to face the music.
>Big Boss never was a villain.
well duh.
>MGSV is a masterpiece.
boring, good for you if you can enjoy it
>Not Kojima's fault some spergs like OP never grew up out of silliness of first games where previous voice actor was literally a marketing choice for 15 yo kids.
nani
>play it safe
>in an MGS game
Literally worse than WOLBACHIA
I didnt have any problems with the gameplay. I found the story to be shit, and the majority of the missions to be shit. But the gameplay was spot on imo.
>Big Boss never was a villain.
>MGSV begins: Everyone but me can fucking die.
>MGS4 ends: Everyone but me fucking died. I am Big Sad.
He can eat shit.
>All these dumb people who say that game taking with 150 hours to beat was somehow "incomplete".
> No 2 hours long cutscenes that resemble wikipedia articles and story is somehow "shallow".
MGSV is not really a game for a stupid folks.
I love MGSV, and have no issues with what the story is trying to say, just how it was executed. I would have liked more Kiefer lines, or maybe even dialogue choices as Venom Snake.
More than that, I would have liked Chapter 2 to have as much story and all unique missions like Chapter 1 had.
Kojima never plays things safe and has zero interest in pandering to fan's expectations.
Hard disagree. It's flawed and what we got was garbage in my opinion.
>Hospital is full of carefully picked cipher personnel with possible demise due to unforseen circumstances literally stated in their employment contract.
>Applying good or bad cartoon shit classification to a political fiction when there are real governments litting civilians like nothing on daily basis across the world.
>MGSV is a masterpiece
>but has shit gameplay
YOU user, stop! Answer me this:
Did YOU listen to ALL the casette tapes?
Not him but if you think MGS5 has bad gameplay, video games aren't your hobby.
Yes, and S-Ranked all missions, and completed all side ops, and disarmed about 1000 nukes.
It does though
>Some of the worst level-design in the entire series, which is funny considering GZ had pretty good design of the base
>not a single good boss even though the bosses in MGS1-3 and one of them in 4 was always the highlights of the games
>Instead of bosses you get "le man on fire" and "SKULLS UNIT"
>Only boss fight that can be considered even a little bit decent is that boring as fuck fight against Sahelanthropus
>*Fulton Extraction* x100000000
>wait 1 hour for your new weapon sir
>wait 2 hours for your new base upgrade sir
>it's gonna be 10 hours until we get that vehicle made for you sir
>He thinks mobage mechanics is good gameplay
Why are people so excited for Death Stranding considering the last two games Kojima made was MGS4 and MGSV which are both some of the worst garbage he has ever put out?
This puzzles me.
Anyone that defends V is a faggot zoomer that only got into metal gear post 2010 because it was cool to like it
Because most people liked MGS4 and 5
Most people think MGS1-3 are much better than those.
They are better overall, but not in all aspects. Doesnt change that people like what Kojima does.
>got into MGS in 2017
>finished 1
>Great
>finished 2
>Great
>finished 3
>Great
>Finished 4
>OhShitNiggaWhatAreYouDoing?
>Finished PW
>JesusFuckingChristKOJIMAWHATTHEFUCK
>mfw I finished V
>complain about the gameplay
>only have minor nitpicks
>meanwhile previous games had a camera perspective that literally didn't work with the game play genre nor the environments
>an utter mess of movement and aiming controls that made snake move and aim like a tank
>literally needed to give you TWO different options of the radar in mgs2 just to compensate for the awful camera
>constantly implementing unique technologies into the gameplay and immediately taking them away from you as soon as the next 4 hour cutscene plays and then the next game play segment is completely different
I'll give you the bosses thing, but there are very few games that compare to the fluidity and variety on offer in MGSV and it is head and shoulders above the game play of previous entries. Your ass hurt nitpicking doesn't change that.
How old are you to think the camera didn't work in 1-3? You probably think RE4 is shit too because of Tank Controls
Zoomer-tier post.
The only thing good about V's gameplay are the controls. Everything else is shit-tier.
It only takes that long if you try to do everything and the vast majority of that time is repetitive tasks taking place in uninteresting locations.
It feels incomplete because it's literally just an open world and nothing else. Metal Gear has always been a tightly packed, curated experience with clever level design, unique enemy AI (not realistic but fun to play around with, it just felt very Metal Gear,) and, of course, in depth narrative that made you feel like the gameplay was in between the edits of an espionage film.
MGS4 strayed from that and then V abandoned it completely and just gave you a big sandbox and some toys with no actual care or direction put into how you play. It's a completely different game for a completely different audience so obviously existing players will feel alienated and it's obviously the lazier, easier approach.
The story issues also aren't about "headcanon," it's about established canon in previous games. They retconned a bunch of shit and managed to do so in just a handful of dialog scenes.
>Level-design being shit is a minor nitpick
>mobage mechanics is a minor nitpick
>"Only have minor nitpicks"
>"b-but I can give you the bosses"
Fuck off
>throughout the entirety of MGS3, skullface was merely a few shrubs behind you
Damn that reddit spacing.
Please actually look up what Reddit spacing is before posting.
Imagine The End fight
>doing the waiting method to kill him
>skullface in a little tent, taking a nap
based
Level design isn't even near as bad as you claim. The mansion, OKB zero, the oil field, Shago village, wailo village, central base camp and the airport are all comparable to camp omega, maybe a bit smaller each.
>mobage mechanics
It's called pacing
>hurr why can't I unlock the wormhole Fulton and other op shit instantly
Fuck off with your ADHD. Delaying progress through the tech tree made perfect sense because all the game play fed into it and the FOB system to make sure that you had control over your progression but couldn't just beeline towards breaking the game.
>meanwhile previous games had a camera perspective that literally didn't work with the game play genre nor the environments
You being incapable of working with the games doesn't mean the camera was.
>its canon that Skullface assassinated Stalin
>Then in the end you get your ass kicked by Snake.
Are there games that /end/ with a boss fight that you lose?
No, we got would have been great, if Ground Zeroes did not show what we actually could have had.
maybe he ain't so bad after all
Shut the fuck up, this fucking meme that Ground Zeroes is some 11/10 experience while MGSV is 1/10 the biggest disappointment in history of videogames is getting really fucking old
MGRR Sam DLC.
>Big Boss being a manipulative dick isn't anything new either,
Barely. He wakes up a tiny amount of time before Venom with Ocelot having already come up with most of the plan. All he does is say "you think you're Big Boss? Okay sure why not have fun, here's some basic tips, godspeed brother." The worst thing he actually did was not personally inform Miller what was going on, but if he had that would have defeated the whole purpose, and Miller isn't exactly always honest with BB anyway so him getting that upset is hypocritical. The game goes out of its way to exonerate him of any actual wrongdoing, so even if that was the point it is intensely unsatisfying.
I remember the very first time I played MGS2, the second I moved from the first piece of cover to the left side of the ship, an enemy who was patrolling at the very top of the ship looked down, saw me and ran towards me.
I had no way of seeing the guy except on radar, and when he saw me the camera had to stop what it was doing and fling itself in his direction to show me that I was spotted and where from.
I avoided the guy effortlessly since it takes a good 30 seconds for him to run all across the ship to investigate the crate I was behind a minute ago, but that doesn't change how full fucking retard the camera was. Literally everyone complained about it in MGS1 and 2 and the only reason you're defending it now is because you want to whine about MGSV so you have to pretend the previous games were perfect in comparison.
>Lore autists who didn't get a completed game
Ftfy
How in the hell can anyone defend it when it isn't even done
>Miller isn't exactly always honest with BB anyway so him getting that upset is hypocritical.
I'm glad someone points this out. People tend to forget he knew about Paz.
I love this game
He's content to let Miller and Venom keep drawing attention while he works on Outer Heaven before resurfacing to rejoin FOXHOUND. He's eventually transparent about it, but the point the game is obviously trying to emphasize is that Big Boss is an ambitious guy that cares about his mission and not much else. Venom Snake exists purely to keep Big Boss's seat warm enough for his brand name to be viable later. He did not formulate the V project, but he was complicit with it and was more than willing to make the most of it. And let's not forget that the aforementioned isn't solving world hunger; it's a warmongering military state that's intended to dethrone the Patriots and put the world and its conflicts under Big Boss's thumb. If none of this makes you think "maybe this Big Boss feller was a bit of a dick" you're overwhelmingly dense.
>I had no way
First-person view, dipshit-chan.
>Literally everyone complained about it
Not really. I never have. It's more of a hindrance in MGS3 (hence Subsistence), but even there the game gives you plenty of tools to compensate.
>the only reason you're defending it now is because you want to whine about MGSV
I'm not the person you replied to. I do think MGSV has its problems, but I still generally like it.
Instead it turned out to be the worst. What a shame.
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MOTHER BASE IS TOO GREEDY
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STRIP MINED AFGHANISTAN TO BUILD A FUCKING PLATFORM
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Ground Zeroes is not 11/10 you worthless fag. But it is a solid 6/10 (and would be higher if there was just more to do), whereas TP is a 4/10 at best, with its worthless fucking base building, pointless fucking "episodes" with repetitive credit sequences, tiny ass "bases" to "infiltrate", and multiplayer gimmick that did fuck all for anything.
The Good
>Sutherland's voice. Hayter's voice was still dying of Emphyzema in Peace Walker, he hadn't recovered it from MGS4. Hearing him now, I think he could do a good job, but I'd prefer he'd be the voice of Solid Snake.
>Controls. Overstated, it is absurdly responsive.
>Art. It seems very realistic, which makes the wacky shit you see more off-putting.
>Setting. My favorite part of MGS3 and Peace Walker was that they were parallel with reality. Everything you see except the superpowers could have realistically taken place in the real world, and they use real events to place the game in a time period.
>The Plot Twist. I liked it. It wasn't amazing, but it wasn't so bad. It also makes some interesting implications for a possible MG1 remake. Why did Big Boss send Solid Snake to kill Phantom Snake?
>The Boss Fights. I wish Quiet had a larger health bar, but apart from that I liked them. Eli, Sahelanthropus, but my favorite are the Armored Skulls.
The Bad
>The Level Design. In an attempt to make the game "open", every fortress has more holes than swiss cheese. Once you find your favorite way to ignore the bad guys, It's hard to lose.
>Cliffhanger. The unfinished game is hard to ignore.
>Backup, Back Down
>Missing the final boss. Every MGS game ends with a duel. There was none in this game. Likely due to the constrained development.
>Terrible Villain that could've been interesting. Skull Face was cool because it was finally someone other than the core characters that was taking charge, an outsider. But they did nothing with him.
One of the best singleplayer games ever made.
Like how you just did it again?
>first person view
That's precisely why I specified that the guy was the one patrolling the very top of the ship, fanboy-chan. First person view gives me a lovingly rendered view of the wall and the metal railing at the very top of it.
I would need to be able to identify enemies like that quickly during the split second their head comes into view for the game play to work intuitively, not plot the path and timing of my route on the crutch radar nor stand still out in the open and scan the area in first person tank-controls mode.
>not really I never have
Well boy im sure glad that you're the end all and be all of the world and your rose-colored glasses opinion overrides that of reviewers and other gamers alike.
Fulton is one of the things that really ruined the gamed for me.
It’s a rather objective take that if we would’ve gotten 15 or 20 GZ maps instead of that dull ass copy & paste empty open world it would have been much better.
This user knows what's up. Also, I'd like to add that while I agree overall on the level design, a handful of areas were super well-done. I think they knew how to make a good level still but maybe didn't have the time to really do each area justice in the end. Seems plausible given how obviously rushed the plot content is.
>the face you make when people still feeling the phantom pain in their hearts and living rent free in their minds 24/7 since 2015
>Why did Big Boss send Solid Snake to kill Phantom Snake?
In know you're suggesting this can be REinterpreted now with the new canon before us, but the fact was then and would remain even now that Big Boss simply figured Solid Snake would fail and die trying to take on Outer Heaven.
He never wanted Solid Snake to learn as much as he did, if he wanted Venom dead in some retelling he could just send Ocelot to pretend he wants to catch up. Even if Venom had lost his shit due to mental issues or something from the conditioning, there'd be no reason for Big Boss sending in someone to silence Venom who'd only make more noise by reporting any and all the dirt he's witnessing.
That's literally what the fucking game is. There's nothing special about GZ's map, it's about the same as the bigger bases in TPP of which there are about 15.
>First person view gives me a lovingly rendered view of the wall and the metal railing at the very top of it.
You can very easily see the enemy up there. You can even headshot him from where the game starts if you look up and aim. I don't know why you're pretending it was some unforeseeable obstacle compared to any other enemy in any other stealth game ever. You can even see the edge of his vision cone on the radar from where you start. Though, again, just looking around will also do the trick.
>Well boy im sure glad that you're the end all and be all of the world
Pot meet kettle. I've been a Metal Gear fan for a long time and the camera has never been a consistent complaint. Same with other games that use static cameras, like Onimusha or fans of classic Resident Evil.
>overrides that of reviewers and other games alike.
MGS1 and MGS2 were both very well-received when they came out, and I don't recall any consistent camera complaints. I respect your opinion just fine, but pretending that I'm under some mysterious nostalgia delusion in service of rejecting MGSV is beyond stupid.
Every MGS story is complete trash, though. V is objectively superior for lacking one.
Those locations are not nearly as dense, c'mon.
This. Sending in Gray Fox (and then Snake) was only a ruse for buying time after Outer Heaven started to draw attention. Wanting a cover was the whole reason Big Boss took command of FOXHOUND again at all.
MGSV didn't change that much about MG1's story. It actually contradicts MGS4 more than anything else.
yes they are
>Backup, Back Down
That depends entirely on how you choose to do it. It can be a puzzle to be solved and, even if you just look up the solution, properly executing it is far from boring. If you're just going to be a dumbass that blows up a couple missile trucks and then lays in a ditch waiting for time to be up, of course you're going to hate it.
It's not as kino as camp omega though
I tried to S rank + All tasks every mission.
Backup, Back Down was a serious bitch.
soul
soulless
>Contradicts MGS4
MGS4 needs to be rewritten anyway. Only things that stay are Rex v Ray and Snake v Ocelot.
MGS1 is a masterpiece
MGS5 is barely a good Metal Gear, let alone a masterpiece
Much better than the "hear all conversations" bullshit. Even with invisibility that shit is fucking awful and is what led to me quitting for quite a while - following the fucking afrikaans interpreter trying to s-rank all tasks each mission as I went completely killed my interest in the game.
block the road with a tank on the road north east of the supply outpost. it's a piece of piss if not a little time consuming
Won't work. one of the prisoners dies if you camp at the top of the map.
Can't get all tasks then.
I S-ranked it by destroying/extracting every vehicle first run through and then I just deployed on the other end of the map and got all the prisoners, destroying only one vihcle on my way between bases so I don't fail the mission. Ended up being pretty easy since you don't need to do every side objective at the same playthrough of the mission
You got to experience the phantom pain...working as intended
this.
remember back when Yea Forums shilled the fuck out of this garbage?
just a daily reminder to never trust Yea Forums
block with d horse
fulton
repeat
i had zero issues , got it in 2 tries
trailers were KINO, fuck off.
Bruhs, user was talking about doing everything in one go, not replaying to do things one at a time.
Big Boss never had a descent into madness. He just loved war and terrorism to the point where he couldn't live without both because there was nothing else that could make him feel happy.
>Not realizing Kojima the absolute madman made a deliberately bad game because war/nukes = bad
Fuck off.
You got the downfall you wanted in Snake Eater.
Peace Walker was unnecessary, we did not need another telling of how his downfall happened.
>Why did Big Boss send Solid Snake to kill [his phantom]?
He didn't send Solid Snake to kill his phantom. Rather, he sent Solid Snake to die, tricked into being convinced to "retrieve information about a nuclear weapon for FOXHOUND". The reason why he sends Solid Snake to die is to convince NATO that Outer Heaven is impenetrable, allowing him to have some time to finish TX-55.
His phantom was in charge of killing Solid Snake in case Solid himself got too far and was about to completely wreck Outer Heaven.
Kojima tried man. The game is unfinished
>well yeah but
No you don't understand. When I say unfinished I don't mean it needed another month to redo some textures. I mean the "game" itself was thrown together within something like 1 maaaaybe 2 years before release. They spent so much time building out this brand new engine and the work they put in shows. But the game itself is a fucking hacked together joke. The world itself is empty and there's minimal content (outpost levels tossed in are decent, but where's the interesting content?). There is literally no story and anons have deluded themselves into thinking it's "minimalist".
Game consigned to the trash forever.
I know but you don't have to and it's pretty much physically impossible to do because you don't have enough time to extract every vehicle, get the rocket launcher and get the prisoner jeep and search squad while also rescuing every prisoner.
No, I did it. It was tough, and I had to make a route, but it's possible.
>MGSV
>"Big Boss LARPing ''''officially recognized and approved'''' by Hideo Kojima and Big Boss: the game"
>Big Boss is apparently still a nice, friendly, kindhearted, sweet and generous guy, he doesn't see us through the Medic as tools but rather precious human beings
>He as a meta deity selflessly let us through the Medic LARP him because we "wanted, wished and dreamed to for many years"
>The game only has a story to provide a template for your Big Boss LARP stories and cover up the fact that the game is entirely meta, and that it's only reason for existence is "Big Boss LARPing"
>The trailers only exist to show an example of a Big Boss LARP story made with said template
>The game barely has any LARPing mechanics, and the only one that's notable is a shitty avatar creator
Kojima is a hack fraud, MGSV shouldn't have been released.
I like how they made Quiet's presence in the story completely optional, yet Skull-Face's death scene and most of the later tapes dealing with the missing third vial of the Vocal Chord parasite makes no sense without her being part of Diamond Dogs. It's such a slip-up compared to even MGS1-2, which would feature alternate scenes/dialogue during Snake's/Raiden's first encounter with Meryl/Pliskin depending on whether he has a weapon or not.
Also,
Mfinda is one of the better along with okb and Where do the Bees sleep? However, Omega still has that top kino atmosphere.
>Also,
I might add that not including Episode 51, not even as a post-launch DLC, was such a huge mistake from Konami.
>proxy for Kojima's dad, Big Boss
>lets us be the grown up now and LARP a hero
>even gives us a plant zombie waifu because we wuz a gud boy
Based daddy BiBo
I said earlier that the mission was a puzzle. You just have to find the right timing and corresponding positions.
saitama_okay.jpg
I literally did that the other day. Granted, I've already finished game once and unlocked most of the higher-level gear
I want to LARP an evil, war lusting villain who is constantly framed as a hero, not an actual hero.
Good thing I can stockpile on FOB nukes and go full warmonger like Big Boss while using mods to disable Heroism points. I do like big, giant, shiny horns and having lots of blood on my face though, so I alter between having a mod to force full scale demon Big Boss enabled and disabled as well.
The game worked fine in GZ, why couldn’t they do the same for PP
Wait, those bits still happen even if you killed Quiet? Kek, I never tried that but it soulds retarded.
>Muahahaha! The third mating pair is very close to you Bibi!
>what did he mean by this?
>*code talker takes a hit of his crack pipe* perhaps Skullfuck meant it some other way? Like perhaps by "close" he means someone who loves you very much?
>*BiBo having a big think* but English is the main language on Mother Base! Surely they would've spread the infection by now!
>*another hit of the crackpipe* perhaps they just never spoke?
>... no you senile old fart there literally isn't a single person here who doesn't speak English
Still no MGS Collection on Steam...
MGS4 played it safe and it ruined the plot of all of MGS.
>tfw Konami still sent me a DMCA after I pirated the MGS1 and 2 PC ports a couple months back.
That's the thing, people pretend that Big Boss became a moustache twisting Saturday morning cartoon villain, when he just became a warmongerer, and he was already that by the end of PW.
You didnt finish 4, did you?
Big Boss wasnt a villian, just like Ocelot wasnt. Go finish 4 you sperg.
What? You did not use a VPN?
Fucking Konami lol
You didn't finish PW, did you?
I mean I don't give a shit about DMCAs. I wipe my ass with them seeing as they don't mean shit. I just found it funny that the pachinko merchants would still bother tracking torrents of a fan made port of games from the 90s.
you didnt have sex, did you?
please state why you think that way, user
For games you can’t even buy legitimately
I was curious enough to replay the entire game without her and it's weird. You can still get Quiet by replaying Episode 11 after you've already completed all the other story missions, including the Truth mission (so I'm guessing they were expecting players to do that), but you will miss out on a couple of cutscenes involving her like when she knocks a Diamond Dogs' soldier teeth during the first outbreak or when she goes on to that gassed area to retrieve Shabani's necklace.
Incidentally, Huey will also mention D-Dog in one of his tapes, even if you never bothered to extract him and raise him in your base.
Fucking stupid. Clearly these moral choices were just added last minute when they realized that to have the game be and RPG with BiBo being a malleable character they would need actual roleplay
You either have played no games or have extremely shit taste in them
the ol' the games a stage routine
"venom snake" was retarded, even for kojima
>RAY BAN GLASSES (tm)
>Ocelot's apparel
was the brand that Kojima was shilling during these bits even a real brand of glasses?
don't stop there user, be sure to tell them to dilate next.
>Big Boss wasn't/never was a villain
Uh,
>4's ending is all about Big Boss apologizing to Solid Snake for the EVIL, AMORAL, UNETHICAL AND TERRIFYING mistakes that he made, that, well MADE HIM BOTH EVIL AND A VILLAIN BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY A VILLAIN
>PW focuses on how Big Boss is NOT A HERO for HELPING GLOBAL THREATS, EMBRACING BECOMING A TERRORIST and that what he and his army is doing is merely MURDERING and INFLICTING SUFFERING ON OTHERS FOR NO LOGICAL REASON
>V focuses on how Big Boss is NOT A HERO and that what he and his army is doing is merely MURDERING and INFLICTING SUFFERING ON OTHERS FOR NO LOGICAL REASON
>The MSX games are all about how Big Boss wants to CONTINUE MURDERING and INFLICTING SUFFERING ON OTHERS FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE because HE THE EXPERIENCES HE GETS AS A SOLIDER and BEING A TERRORIST
He was A VILLAIN, and at minimum, a morally grey antihero.
They actually took out moral choices in the final game. Originally you were allowed to kill child soldiers in MGSV, with the only penalty you would get for harming being loss of heroism points, but in the finalized game it results in an instant mission failure.
Why didn't Venom BiBo stop Kaz and Ocelot from torturing his gf?
because HE LOVES*
Because Venom BiBo is as ruthless as Naked BiBo since he is a body double of Naked BiBo, both in physical qualities, skills, experience and mentality.
Told you he's indistinguishable.
i really liked the ideia of language used as a weapon desu
You dumb fuckwits,
>The only thing that satisfies your cravings is WAR!
Big Boss was a villain and that's fact.
If you hate MGSV so much why do you still discuss it all these years later?
But everyone in that scene was retarded, not ruthless.
Does Venom just have a torture fetish and Ocelot went along with Kaz because he wanted to help his bro get a boner?
Because we all lust discussing it just like how Big Boss lusts war.
because Yea Forums is tsundere for Kojima. They call him a hack and everything, yet he lives rent-free in most of Yea Forums's heads.
Because I can't stop fapping to her
SUCH A LUST FOR COMPLETE GAMES
>4
Great game for 2008, aged like milk sadly
>PW
It was originally a PSP game, what the fuck did you expect? The soundtract and comic book cutscenes were a great addition though
>V
It is objectivelly a good game. Just unfinished and different from other MGS games
>We'll never see Big Boss training child soldiers and sending them in combat, aside from Kaz's african kindergarten
>We'll never see Big Boss kidnapping and torturing politicians
>We'll never see Diamond Dogs becoming Outer Heaven
>We'll never see Kaz and Big Boss splitting
>We'll never see Big Boss rescuing Gray Fox and Naomi
>We'll never see Big Boss stealing nukes and keeping them as a deterrent
>We'll never see Big Boss executing people that don't subscribe to his ideals
All we got was Raiden 2.0 via the medic and an unfinished and rushed storyline. Venom was more of a hero than villain, and Big Boss was just a wanna be behind the scenes coward. Need i mention how we're never gonna see MG1 and 2 remade ?
>If you hate [thing] so much why do you still discuss it
This BvS fallacy never ceases to disgust me.
I can talk about the time I got soaked in the rain ad nauseam because I forgot my wallet and couldn't call a cab or ride the bus, it doesn't mean I loved every minute of it.
It means it pissed me off enough to scar itself to memory and I need to vent whenever that memory of drenched disappointment setting in surfaces.
Diamond Dogs isn't Outer Heaven. Naked BiBo established Outer Heaven at the same time Venom BiBo established Diamond Dogs
certified qt
it's been FIVE YEARS
it's time to let it go
yeah yeah but venom snake is a fucking snack!
These LIMBS we've lost. The FRIENDS we've lost. Why are we still here? Just to discuss MGSV?
WACK HIM!