>character designs confined to vanilla mario enemies
>no callbacks to old characters in newest games
>sticker star had garbage "story," writing improved somewhat in color splash though developers/writers still constrained
Whose fault was it? Where can we expect the paper mario series to go in the future?
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Jackson Sanchez
It was all IntSys’s fault and they tried to shift the blame to Miyamoto putting on basic-ass restrictions.
Henry Robinson
TTYD is my favorite game of all time but even with the direction Nintendo has taken recently I don't expect the series to ever recover
At this point the only real hope is for them to scrap both the M&L games and PM's and start anew with a new team for the inevitable Switch Mario RPG
Jeremiah Ward
M&L and PM are different companies
Kevin Roberts
>At this point the only real hope is for them to scrap both the M&L games and PM's and start anew with a new team for the inevitable Switch Mario RPG
no that would be retarded, why would they do that. The teams just need better direction
Chase Torres
I know, and they both have degraded
Gavin Davis
M&L isn't that bad
Joshua Roberts
Somewhat unrelated but reminder that SPM is based
Bentley Perry
give paper mario to another studio, IS is clearly only interested in fire emblem now
M&L can stay with alphadream but they need to make battles as fast as super star saga again
Bentley Brown
Regardless of how terrible their implementation was, Miyamoto told them outright to stop making "Thousand Year Door Clones" so they did completely redid color splash which was going to be in the style of the first 2 games.
Chase Hernandez
sticker star I mean
Jonathan Parker
After the disaster that was SPM Miyamoto should've known they're completely fucking inept at anything besides the RPG format so I don't know why he even bothered trying to intervene.
Ryder Carter
He just said it looked “too similar” to TTYD according to them. That could mean anything. It’s not his fault they decided to shit their diapers over it.
Samuel Gray
It has taken a hit in quality just the same... not as drastic as Paper Mario, but Bowser Inside Story was the last great one.
Jaxon Thomas
>spm
>disaster
Dominic Smith
Regardless of his intentions it is his fault. If he just shut his mouth or Intelligent Systems had a spine like AlphaDream it would've been fine.
Parker Bennett
Good man, SPM was the last good Paper Mario game.
Benjamin Cooper
Yes. Everything about it besides the dialogue and music is terrible. The platforming is boring, the character designs are god awful, and the environments are the weakest in of the first 3 by far.
I can almost empathize with Miyamoto telling them to not be creative with character designs after seeing Mario interacting with this monstrosity.
Brandon Nelson
If intsys's aspie attack killed paper mario, has fire emblem put the final nail in the coffin?
Austin White
Spm's dialogue is great
Michael Bell
why didn't SPM have original characters that were based off the indigenous mario races?
Aaron Harris
soulless vs soul
Thomas Bennett
The aspies at IntSys are all in the Paper Mario department.
FE Three Houses is looking like the best game since FE12, not counting Echoes which was a remake.
Hudson Garcia
I wouldn't call it a disaster. My only problems with it were the dumb platforming and the stupid MS Paint character designs and world. The actual characters, personalities, story, music, and most of the bosses were pretty great. Definitely had the charm of a Paper Mario game IMO.
Landon Gutierrez
SPM is a joke, it's probably one of the worst looking Nintendo games ever made, the platforming and action is mediocre, and the story is fan fiction-tier. Anyone who remembers it fondly was probably six when they played it.
Owen Butler
Also the chapters. The artstyle didn't make them justice, but they were highly creative and varied.
Ethan Davis
I was 20 when I played it, played the original PM and TTYD first.
SPM is better than TTYD.
Samuel Rivera
There isn't anything to go on. It won't be like the last two games but it's anyones guess as to where they take it.
Lucas Hernandez
>fan fiction tier
I've seen so many people say this of SPM and none have been able to elaborate on what it means.
Julian Jackson
i wanna fuck goombella
Cooper Davis
Why isn't there more anthro goombella porn
Angel Martin
All they need to do is use a wider variety of Mario characters, ranging from whimps to stingby, add an OC antagonist and get partners back.
They don't even need to get rid of cards completely, expanding on the mechanics and making you keep the cards permanently allowing for a deck builder type of game would be pretty neat.
Easton Cooper
At least the music is still good, right?
Jonathan Harris
This is coming from the guy that remade lylat wars 4 times
Kevin Morgan
definitely, even if Color Splash is worse than TTYD in almost every way but Visuals and Music, the music is really good.
I'd even go as far to say Blackout btfos every Final Boss theme in the series but Ultimate Show
Mason Fisher
I think Blackout is pretty dang good but there's something about TTYD's final theme that gets me pumped and terrified all at the same time.
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Cameron James
>Catalog
mario was in other dimensions for most of it
Zachary Thompson
>anthro
no
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>caring about gay rpgs
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It's so fucking good
Chase Davis
I'd be surprised if we ever even get another game. If there is another one it will either follow the SS/CS style or go for an entirely new style (i.e. something that isn't 64/TTYD). For now Bug Fables appears to be the closest we'll get to a TTYD sequel.
Connor Torres
only good thing about SS and CS was the music honestly
Kayden Diaz
ISIS straight up confirmed that they were done with the SS/CS style.
Noah Barnes
I mean, I know is easy to blame the Wii U, but when a game with Mario in the tittle flops as hard as Color Splash, it would be hard to not get the memo.
Nathaniel Gutierrez
yes but they also said they won't go back to the classic style either and next game will most likely have a paper gimmick
Nathan Taylor
I know, I'm just trying to stay optimistic. Surely whatever ISIS cooks up next won't be worse than what we just got, r-right?
Robert Jackson
Reminder that every rpg should have a journal system like TTYD
Benjamin Hall
>incelligent ciscums confirming no more SS/CS
When did this happen?
Levi Diaz
last tanabe interview on paper mario
David Wright
toadette is cute
CUTE!
Jason Williams
if we're lucky we will get a paper toadette game in classic style
Julian Myers
I hate saying this meme... but this is soulless.
Rougeport was supposed to be gloomy and dark. That really brings out the saturated colors.
Not to say that this does't look nice. It does. But this misses the whole point behind Rougeport's theming.
Caleb Price
At this point Gaper Mario by Shadman is more faithful to what the first games' spirit was.
I agree, but I mostly hate that fucking sticker look everyone has in that picture. I guess that's the whole theme of color splash and sticker star, but it just makes everything look "fake", instead of a world made of paper. If that makes any fucking sense.
Chase Rivera
No that's the problem they need no direction. Miyanmoto put Tanabe on their backs specifically to curb any problematic "creativity". Even if he left Miyamoto would just find someone else to replace him or worse (better?) just kill the series.
Alphadream are exempt form this as they said they'd walk if they couldn't do things their way.
Joshua Brown
Fuck you I was 10