Do interactive novels count as video games?

Do interactive novels count as video games?

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No. End of discussion

Why not, interactive movies seem to count as games these days

No

Detroit is fine as a movie game because it was advertised as such. It's what Quantic Dreams does.

In the literal sense, yes, but fuck anyone that counts them for any sort of study.

No, VNs are not games.

It depends on if it has any gameplay at all. DBH has enough gameplay to be considered a game but if it’s one of those choose your own story mobile apps then no that’s not a game.

If it doesn't have a gameplay, it's not a game

Only if you make choices in them.

>Played Markus as an evil/but cowardly revolutionary who resorted to violence any chance they gave me and sacrificed any ally who was about to die
>Played Connor as a conflicted android who ultimately decided to stay android and kill Markus as his true mission. Befriendes Hank but had to kill him at the end. Ended up killing marcus on the battlefield.
>Playes Kara as completely indifferent and just trying to escape. She and alice got killed outside Jericho because of Marcus' failed revolution
I dont even want to play it again because my ending was so kino.

yes. which isnt to say that detroit itself is fine.

cage should never be let anywhere near a writers pen

As long as you control any part of it with a control device, no matter what you are doing, that is a video game.

Yeah, most of them have more interactivity than point and click adventure games.
I don't mind if a game focuses on a single thing instead of being complex (as long as it does a good job at that single thing), the problem is that Detroit's story was garbage, which doesn't make it not a game, but it definitely makes it a bad one.

I liked Beyond's gimmick of jumping around on the timeline rather than going in a straight line since it meant Cage's fascination with slice of life segments didn't bury the first half of the game
Those segments somehow managed to actually be good, though, but that was probably as a result of not being everything you did for 10 hours

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It fucking falls apart though when you look at it in chronological order

I don't know, can you fail reading a book? As in if you don't read the page fast enough do you get a bad ending? No, it's a game.

I finally started playing this and thought the whole thing about Markus's parts sucking was overblown, but then I got to the actual revolutionary parts and it's awful. The Connor and Hank parts are so goddamn good though that I'm surprised that this is actually written by David Cage. Kara's parts are alright.

>cars are video games
>TVs are video games
>toilets are video games

I think Cage was less involved in this one, which is why it's not as crazy as earlier titles

There is a way to make Markus do the building heist (which was kino) but skip the Jericho crap I believe. Youd have to reach a low enough score that Markus basically decides to save his own ass and give up on the revolution

Does saving the fish actually do anything?