What would've convinced him to retreat for a reason that's not retarded?

It’s just hard to believe he didn’t consider this already

It’s easier to convince someone with one profound sentence or statement than it is through a lot of talking.

>F76
>take game from game series known for its massive amounts of bugs and high modding ability
>remove modding ability and make it online only

>New vegas still stands as the best fallout.
Maybe if you were born after 2000, other than that both FO1 and 2 are better in every way.

>missing the point when the whole post is explaining the problem

>Here is it folks, the dumbest post of the day.
Indeed.

Not that hard to believe. It happens in real life, after-all. Lanius isn't an idiot, but at the same time he still was just an upjumped bloodthirsty tribal warlord who wanted to kill and dominate, and he saw the NCR as a worthy enemy, much like a lot of historical tribal people did. Caesar might've had a chance to do it if it wasn't for the tumor, though.

dere sum fried chikin ovah dere mr gold

I wish there was a speech check to convince Benny to give you the platinum chip

>explaining the problem
>talking a person down is a problem
k

The reason they used is good enough. I would have liked it more if there were some prerequisite quest or item you had to show him in order to convince him, though. Like the Master and Vree’s holotape in Fallout 1.

The real bullshit is caesar giving you back the chip without testing your loyalty.

OLD GOOD
NEW BAD

Exactly, Lanius's whole response wasn't.
>I guess you are right, well enjoy your uninterrupted peace and all that.
He realized the legion wasn't ready to throw down full stop with the NCR, even if they could take the dam and NewVegas itself.
But the legion WOULD be back once they were ready, once Arizona and the rest of their territories were further solidified.

It was a promise.

4 isn’t that bad. Just shorter

And also how they make you give up your weapons even if you’ve been working with the legion a long time

Nice examples of me being wrong my cool dude.
It's almost like simply repeating someone's post verbatum doesn't make you any less retarded.

How fucking dense are you?

He obviously wasn't complaining about speech/charisma checks in RPGs, nor was he complaining about having the option to talk an NPC down. He was complaining about when that option is presented in an overly simplistic/hamfisted way that results in it being unbelievable or goofy.

>FO1 and 2
Literally what lol

Their entire army has fought years to get to that point, their entire objective is right in front of them. They don't even need to take the dam, just destroying it would cripple the NCR's entire reason for being in the Mojave. But NV's writing is so godawful, it tries to pretend there is any logical reason for the Legion to retreat.

it's almost like destroying the dam would make the Legion a target for the full force of the NCR. Retard

>overly simplistic/hamfisted way that results in it being unbelievable or goofy.
you mean posting facts without straw to fill the argument? while Lanius was preaching of how indomable the Legion was the Courier was laying down hard facts that (depending on your levels in those skills) convince the guy (or not if you fail) that yeah maybe its best to retreat for now and gather more men before attacking again

And Lanius, the guy who killed his own tribe for retreating is going to give up because he's scared of a war? You're a real idiot.

I agree the conversation can feel kind of abrupt. I would have made it a bit longer. You already have 100 speech so who cares about passing more checks

>Just shorter
I think you mean just shooter

If you have a combination of high speech and medicine, you can kill BBEG by botching the brain surgery and convincing his higher ups he was too old to survive the operation. Did that on my power fist run and it was the most fun I had in the game.

They should have made Lanius more like Frank Horrigan and refuse to back down. His character is a violent warlord who, while not dumb, isn’t exactly the thinking type. The endgame speech checks should have been something like convincing his officers to mutiny or something before the battle.

This. FONV is a flawless gem amongst NU-FO. When compared to the originals, its a polished turd.

Shooter vegas > virgin boardgame

>The reason they used is good enough. I would have liked it more if there were some prerequisite quest or item you had to show him in order to convince him, though. Like the Master and Vree’s holotape in Fallout 1.
/thread

yeah because unlike you he ISNT an idiot and knows there are battles he can't win. Use ur brain

Kino

Fuck me are you people dumb.

Lanius and the legion as a whole don't fuck off because "muh scary words" they leave because you convince them that after their first fuck up at the damn they still are not capable for a full invasion of the NCR. Even of they somehow manage to take dam AND NewVegas from House.

The NCR is simply too large for the legion as it is at the moment. They would bleed themselves dry and weaken their hold on everything they had already conquered.

Lanius is promising to comeback with a Legion 10 times larger and 10 times as we equiped. Once they has solidified their lands and build up their forces.

It's almost like Ceasar wants the damn and New Vegas as both a prize and an inroad to the NCR.

>presented in an overly simplistic/hamfisted way that results in it being unbelievable or goofy.
It's a fucking video game. If something like that triggers you, you have worse problems.
>he
lmao

Obsidian cannot write character. They never have and never will. It's the same with locations, they suck in Obsidian games. Actually, the only reason to play their games is to take in the awkward, pretentious writing, impossible and weird, broken mechanics.

Frank was with his back against the wall, that's why he didn't back down. Lanius is not, and he inspires fear and terror in his men meaning that trying to convince them otherwise is fucking pointless

>destroying the dam
>now your army have both the river AND the massive chasm to cross
nice plan retard

>famas
Why do people insist on ruining fallout aesthetic?

Everything to do with Legion seems tacked on and lacking.

wasn't that gun in F1?
also i agree, it should've been the G11

The fact that there's no settlements north or south large enough sustain the legion, and to the west is the ocean. Eventually they'll have no choice but to turn around and cannibalize their own territory once they've run out of towns to rape and pillage.

Honestly, you shouldn't have been able to talk him down. The divergent ending between diplomacy vs combat should have involved saving Caesar, putting him in charge so he's the "final boss", and if you do that then decide to turn on him then you can talk him down.

By putting this angry bastard in charge, they were stuck between a rock and a hard place. Either force the player to have only one possible solution (fight him), or stretch his character a shitload by trying to convince people that a blood-crazed war general might be willing to talk logistics with any old rando that walks up to him with a gun in his hand.

Yep. Not a lot went into their design other than foils to the NCR.