>Give your child a device with your credit card information
>Don't enable the parental controls that don't let him charge to your credit card without your confirmation
>He spends a shitton of your money because he's a child not legally old enough to have a credit card for this exact reason
>Blame the company
Based! Just like how we should ban people for saying mean things in online games even though there's mute buttons!
BASED BIG BROTHER!!!
give me a good reason of why children should be allowed to play games with gambling
he was like 29 and retarded
1. It's not gambling if you're not wagering money for something of potential higher value.
2. Children aren't legally allowed to own a credit card and parents who give their kids their phone without proper parental control measures and their financial information available without them having to verify are retards.
3. Fuck commies.
you avoided the question, why children should play games with gambling mechanics?
if the game you paid $60 for didn't have 1: microtransactions and 2: be rng so you can spend an infinite amount of money in it, then this would never have happened either. people don't expect their video games to open up a possibility to pump them dry of their money, and thus they don't expect that having to set up prevention systems would be necessary.
They're not gambling mechanics. You're giving money to a corporation for worthless pixels like any other game.
You didn't answer my actually legitimate question: why shouldn't parents be accountable for their own finances and what their children do on devices they give them?
>Implying no one here played games with ESRB ratings higher than they were allowed to play when they were kids
>Implying everyone here didn't lie on age gates as a kid
Really fucking stupid premise to base this on the 10% of retarded children that didn't say they were 18 on everything they signed up for growing up
I have figured out a way to reliably solve this problem in 100% of occurences
Step 1: Remove microtransactions
>470524292
>>Implying no one here played games with ESRB ratings higher than they were allowed to play when they were kids
my parents didn't even let me watch ed edd n eddy until i was 13
Well you are not the majority, I knew 1 (ONE) kid that would refuse to play GTASA on sleepovers because his mom wouldn't let him play those games, however we knew like 10 other kids, and to think that you and him is the majority would be extremely naive
i assumd you also set up parental controls on all your devices and software the second you start them up.
Youre wagering money for some pixels that you perceive to be higher in value
Its gambling
95% of parents don't know how a fucking smartphone works and you expect them to understand how the parental controls on a video game console work?
how much do you get paid to make these threads?
>pixels that you perceive to be higher in value
Nigger what? You can't resell your pixels in pretty much all "gambling" games or trade them, so your imaginary definition of gambling is still wrong.
Why don't you answer my question or even make an attempt to? Or do you need the government to do that for you too?
>Handing your kid a device with your CC info saved on it (Which it asks you to do) when you don't understand how it works.
Yeah totally a company's fault, man with more money bad man with less money good
lol still no answer besides
>not g-gambling
but let the children smoke and drink alcohol too because parents should be watching over their children 24/7 lmao
If I were a shitty parent who was going to let my son play garbage freemium games on a tablet while I go out and neglect my responsibilities as a parent, the first fucking thing I would do is make it so that I need to verify with parental controls every time they want to buy something on the google play store.
Are you some kind of a fucking moron who would just give them your tablet with your financial information without a PIN or parental controls and say "go nuts?"
>1. It's not gambling if you're not wagering money for something of potential higher value.
So Russian Roulette isn't gambling now?
Cigs and booze aren't able to be bought via proxy though.
I don't see how you can relate buying pixels to shit that can damage your body unless you have no argument other than trying to defend mouth breathing retards
Fucking lootboxes
And fuck video game developers.
>1. It's not gambling if you're not wagering money for something of potential higher value.
Higher value is subjective as it's value is intrinsic
they aren't just in shir freemium games. they are now in shit $60 games.
>So Russian Roulette isn't gambling now?
Russian roulette isn't a gambling game, it's a first person shooter.
>the first fucking thing I would do is make it so that I need to verify with parental controls every time they want to buy something on the google play store.
No you wouldn't, because if you've even dabbled in that system you'd know Google Parental Controls is an absolute clusterfuck abomination that turns a smartphone into a brick because of system locks half the time. The amount of times I've seen parents come into my store because their phone is fucked by parental controls is beyond me. The recommendation is to just make an alternate adult account and create a decent password.
Way to completely side step his point
>Csgo
>The amount of times I've seen parents come into my store because their phone is fucked by parental controls is beyond me.
Oh no, they actually had to put up with their kids, the horror!
>>No you wouldn't, because if you've even dabbled in that system you'd know Google Parental Controls is an absolute clusterfuck abomination that turns a smartphone into a brick because of system locks half the time.
>I'm too retarded to go to settings > set PIN > and entering a 4 digit number
>Therefore, the rest of the world is
I do it on my normal phone because if I ever get robbed by a nigger they won't have access to any of my shit.
your brain is also a part of your body moron
Literally not how parental controls on Google Play works. That's basic security accessible by default. Don't call me retarded when you're calling a shovel a spade.
What about fortnite? Or overwatch?
pachinko isn't gambling change my mind
the guy is completely uneducated on what op is talking about.
that's just a pin, that's not parental controls you mongoloid.
>Buying pixels online is LITERALLY the same as buying booze
Guess you can't teach your kid the value of hard work since dopamine is scary and people can't bother to teach their kids good habits.
This is how fucking stupid you sound, if anything the best solution would be making them work for an allowance and letting them go hog wild with it and realizing maybe those pixels aren't as good as a candy bar or something, but that requires too much parental skill to handle for retards like you huh?
>Literally not how parental controls on Google Play works
That's exactly how setting a PIN for purchases on google play works for moron. I wasn't talking about a general lock.
guidingtech.com
Why do people always blame big brother? Little brother gets away with a ton of shit, and no one ever calls him out on it.
DELETE THIS
You dont need to be able to resell something in order to perceive it as valuable
Also people sell their accounts all the time
allowing alcoholics to drink themsekves to death is also the best solution then?
>That's exactly how setting a PIN for purchases on google play works for moron
And that is not PARENTAL CONTROLS you fucking retard. You are talking about general security when you literally stated PARENTAL CONTROLS.
play.google.com
This is the system for parental controls, this is what is forced onto you when you engage in the parental control system. Stop calling a shovel a spade and own up that you fucked up the name.
You're a retard, it's not that over simplified.
You genuinely are arguing for them to be able to freely design ultra addictive bullshit on a subconscious level in products that they then also market to children. They shouldn't even be allowed to design that shit and consult psychologists in ANY product unless they very clearly advertise on the front of it that that's what they've done. They're companies that are meant to make fucking games, not manipulate the shit out of you in ways you aren't even aware of to milk you, fuck off it's indefensible you daft cunt
If you're a grown adult how can one stop you?
Say you kid moves out and is of drinking age and does so, what could have been done to stop them?
Nothing, but you'll bellyache about how responsible people should be hindered because your brood is retarded
>MUH MORALS
their fault for getting addicted, sucks to be them
>And that is not PARENTAL CONTROLS
So? That's why I said setting a PIN or using parental controls. In this particular situation it is a parental control because you, as a parent, are controlling what your kid can and cannot do you bumbling fucking idiot.
I thought the goal we were talking about was to easily prevent your kid from buying things on your credit card?
I'm arguing with a fucking moron.
>owning a credit card
Boomers need to die
give me one good (GOOD) reason why children shouldn’t gamble
It can be the start of a lifelong crippling addiction
>So? That's why I said setting a PIN or using parental controls.
Yes, you stated parental controls. Well done, except general security and parental controls are two completely separate things. General security is defence against unwanted use of your account. Parental controls are tools specifically designed for parents to control the use of a child's account. Now, why do you think I specifically went on to say you wouldn't use Google Play parental controls because it's a bag of shit? Why would you possibly think I'm talking about a fucking PIN code?
Wanna know how I learned gambling is super baderino?
I played GTASA and when I got to Las Ventura I went like 300k into debt, I didn't save scum because I'm not a faggot, but playing the last half of the game being unable to buy health items from vending machines, guns, ammo and shit really put perspective on "Wow, this fucking sucks ass, maybe I shouldn't repeat this same mistake IRL"
Of course games these days will let you just buy in game money with real money, but if the kids' parents are shit and let them do this shit THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A SHITTY LIFE ANYWAYS
What's so difficult to understand
just stop being a contrarian already
Hello, brainlet.
Bruh, that's just the default security built into the phone. When you say "parental controls" you're talking about controls given to parents for a child account.
They're two entirely different forms of security.
>he didn’t watch his dad play duke nukem to try and figure out what his password was to unlock boobie mode, then came buckets the one night he finally figured it out
it was “rocketman”
Because I said use parental controls OR a PIN in my original post and you immediately jump on my case about how much of a pain it is to set them up. Okay, then just do the other thing I told you to do which is set up a pin for using your CC which is a simple 3 step process. Now you're arguing with the specifics about it when it's fucking irrelevant to the actual discussion which is "DURRR I'M TOO MUCH OF AN IDIOT TO PUT MEASURES IN PLACE SO MY FAGGOT WEEB KID CAN'T DRIVE ME INTO FINANCIAL BANKRUPTCY VIA SHITTY ANIME GAMES!"
>In game gambling bad and cause lifetime problem for child
>Parental neglect good
I can't help but feel like it's a bunch of neckbeards that live in Bernieland where loopholes don't exist or are actually stupid enough to believe that direct transactions won't replace lootboxes since buying the skins outright would still be lucrative for companies
No it's not. You can set a general PIN on your phone and also have a separate PIN in the google play store. The guide I linked was for the latter.
Good for you
Its the governments job to intervene when parents arent doing their job
That's literally the same thing. A password for specific access to functionality of the device. Parental Controls would straight up disable shit for good.
>Don't mention PIN code
>Focus on Parental Controls
>YEAH BUT THE PIN CODE
>I'm not talking about the PIN code, I'm talking about the parental controls and telling you they suck
>BUT THE FUCKING PIN CODE
Whatever.
Uh, no it's not.
The government's job is to enforce the rules and security of the nation.
Business ventures only need to be regulated when the product themselves are killing folks like cigs and booze, someone getting a mental addiction to something could literally apply to anything and trying to regulate based on this is so fucking insanely retarded I can't even begin to illustrate how stupid someone would have to be to even begin thinking it's a good idea
Stop being retarded. Whether their parents stop them or not, by merit of the systems design it fucks with your brain. They literally hire people to consult specifically that research this shit so they can find the exact best ways to manipulate you and ultimately make you feel worse than you otherwise would have in order to maximise their ability to jew you the fuck out.
Their design being allowed at all without express advertisement is the problem, whether a person buys or doesn't buy the things is ultimately not the issue.
>>Don't mention PIN code
Nigger I did mention the fucking PIN code. Read the damn post again.
>Are you some kind of a fucking moron who would just give them your tablet with your financial information without a PIN or parental controls and say "go nuts?"
It's not the same thing. One lets your kid fuck with the device without you having to unlock it but doesn't let them purchase anything without your consent. The other locks them out of the device completely whenever the screen turns off.
A 4 digit code is not the same thing as parental controls that allow you to set limits on playtime, what programs can be run, and what searches/sites can be accessed. One is a simple gate easily figured out by a kid willing to pay attention for 2 seconds, the other is an entire ecosystem that the child’s internet activities exist in. Trying to say one is as good as it even nearly comes close to being similar to the other is both ignorant and disingenuous. I’m not even a parent and I know this.
>They literally hire people to consult specifically that research this shit so they can find the exact best ways to manipulate you and ultimately make you feel worse than you otherwise would have in order to maximise their ability to jew you the fuck out.
Guess we should ban advertisements too.
But that won't happen, stop defending shitty parenting because everything you come up with I can stomp down rather easily, this moralistic argument makes you look like a weed smoking jew
No, I, ME, I didn't mention a PIN code, because I wasn't fucking talking about PIN codes. From my very first post I told you parental controls are fucking garbage. That has been the topic of discussion since I engaged in it from the first word. You are obsessed with this PIN code topic when it's fucking irrelevant to the topic at hand, which was "you wouldn't use parental controls because it's fucking shit."
Holy Christ.
you literally state a worse situation than what you went through
>I need the government to protect my kid from microtransactions
>*can prevent them from buying things with your CC in 3 seconds*
>YEAH WELL NOW I NEED THEM TO TAKE THE FUCKING THING OUT OF THEIR HANDS WHEN THEY PLAY TOO LONG
I feel sorry for whatever kid you have that's going to have such a fucking helpless moron as a parent.
?????
You know why they give you free boxes with events and shit instead of just credits to get exactly what you want and have all the shit skins and such, right?
They know people (kids included) will get hooked on the idea of gambling and a large amount of parents will cave and buy there little shits loot boxes.
Don't bother, he's adamant that a PIN and parental controls are the exact same thing.
advertising is heavily regulated by the way. especially when it's in context of kids.
>a game for kids is allowed to make this happen
fuck off EA
>Having your credit card info saved anywhere
>Having a credit card in the first place
>"Muh kids" argument sidestep
So how do we enforce kid expenditure when they use their parent's cards without breaking the 4th amendment with shit like Face scanning and SS numbers for purchases?
I'll wait
"i was a retard so i wasted fake money"
"now games let you waste real money"
"BUT FUCK THOSE PARENTS FOR NOT 24/7 MONITORING THEIR CHILDREN SO THAT THEY DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES AS I DID"
>24/7 MONITORING
Oh no, they can't save card info on a device their kid is on most of the day! The horror!
Stop pretending this isn't a parental issue retard, if you don't know how to use a device don't leave YOUR FUCKING MONEY CARD ON IT
They are different things but can both accomplish what the poster I was originally replying to wanted to do, which was not allow their kids free reign to their financial shit they plug into the phone.
I don't know why you're having such an autistic meltdown when the other granular features of parental controls are literally not relevant to the problem I was offering a solution to.
label game with gambling as they are, a game with gambling. and make them adult only. you'll quickly see those people stop implementing gambling into their games.
you're telling retards to not be retards.
Inevitably someone on Yea Forums is going to have children, and I get giddy at the thought that there will be some new mechanic they won't understand or know about, which their children will use and lose them a bunch of money
>Hey dad can I have your credit card information
>No
Wow that was hard. That newfangled mechanic is just too darn complex for this old dinosaur!
don't worry, there'll be a contrarian ready just for the sake of being a contrarian.
>and make them adult only
That will stop the kids from getting those games, good thinking
I mean, unironically we should when it uses psychology and manipulation. But welcome to the difference, marketing is heavily restricted with rules, and you're not paying money for an advertisement.
the story was like this:
>parent had a switch with card information
>had parental app installed
>need password to buy anything
>he bought his kids fifa
>he bought his kids one of the card packs
>the kids saw how he entered the password
>dad goes to do some parent stuffA
>the kids started to continue buying card packs because they didn't get the thing they wanted
>dad checks his app, sees all the transactions, over 2k was taken off from their bank account
please tell me how your made up story is relevant.
>b-b-b-but parents wont buy games clearly labelled as having gambling for their children
>HOW WILL THE POOR CORPS SURVIVE IF THEY CAN'T MISLEAD OR MISINFORM PEOPLE TO JEW THEM OUT ;_;
Duplicate items that are turned into in-game currency could be potentially perceived as selling an item back to the game's market
>implying a new method of payment isn't coming out
It will happen to you, you will eventually feel a disconnect with the technology
It will happen to us all
>Implying it won't be an M rating with "Gambling" in the little box
You're so fucking naive it's unreal
See
according to esrb, games that incorporate gambling are adult only, not mature.
I don't give a fuck about children, I want lootboxes banned so that game companies make way less money and sports games die. Fuck em all right to hell
I don't care how they do it. Kill gambling mechanic profitability so that devs make real content again. If I can't convince people not to eat shit, stop them by force.
Do you honestly believe the parents buying their kids M rated games make a distinction?
All it does is keep it out of places like Gamestop but amazon and online sites are becoming much bigger than they were when we were kids, you're delusional if you think it'll stop a kid from playing a game they want
And if the kid is using their parents cards against the parent's will they'll order the game anyway so this is a moot point
If it's too complicated for me to understand then wouldn't that mean my kid also wouldn't have access to it because I don't fucking use it to begin with? Don't know why your imaginary scenario where my child scams me out of my lifes savings through theoretical payment methods is even relevant. Like nigger just don't give your kids your credit card.
And the parent was fully reimbursed because unauthorized charges by minors aren't enforceable even if you do allow them to do shit like this.
>all these seething casey anothony tier parents
I think you underestimate how many physical copies are still sold, especially when it comes to consoles. Consoles are often considered children's toys as long as you buy the right games, of course. But you can't expect parents to know that FIFA is just a gambling simulator wearing the skin of a sports game as disguise.
And the fact you think you'll be even aware of whatever mechanic it is, is laughable. You won't understand or know about it
Could careless about it being gambling but the fact that the games are designed around RNG advantages like 80% of mobile shit, Call of Duty Pay to win guns behind loot box's, Fifa, Activision's and EA's Matchmaking patents to give pay pigs advantages through datamining. List goes on actually, it's just a complex form with more multiple steps.
If I could get an advantage from a game through microtransactions and translate that into account boosting and resell on 3rd party sites, Ebay or Amazon I can turn that into real cash easily. There are literally 100s of Social media groups that account sell, boost and have slot systems.
>Caylee would be alive if this was the age where you could just hand the kid a tablet and get them to shut up
adult only titles do not get sold in brick and mortar stores, meaning no real physical copies, and they don't get much spotlight from digital platforms. if you actually read how the kids accessed the card packs and what their intentions were, then you wouldn't make these outlandish claims of kids going out of their way to buy an adult only game. also, if you think it wouldn't matter too much, why are you against this?
>Me being a retard with my money is okay because your kid will scam you with future technology... probably!
Alright you win.
It's just a modern form of gambling, youtubers knew what they were doing with those 100 CRATE BOX OPENING XDDD for those sites.