Which version of Chrono Trigger is objectively the best one?

Dead chick?

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Please tell me you're not fapping to the pic of her dead body.

Snes games have no load times, no cartridge game does. What the fuck am I reading?

The SNES version is by far the best. DS music sucks

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DS version. I know it's a meme at this point, but after the mana collection, I would really apreciate a Switch port of the DS version. I would like to play it on a better screen without losing the portable aspect.

I assume he means Schala or maybe Marle

>much worse translation
No one takes you boomers seriously.

Shit. Play the steam version, it's a port of the iOS version they had to clean up after everyone swam up SE's ass about the port quality and it at least has achievements.

Okay I won't tell you that

Chrono Cross, but at best we think of Cross as the bad timeline.

Ds unfucks the script for frog

Not him but it was some e-girl who got murdered by an /r9k/ user
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Why is Schala blonde in Cross anyway?

Cross was a mistake, that's the only reason I can think of

>we
kill yourself zoomer

>Snes games have no load times, no cartridge game does.
Some games on SNES, Genesis and N64 had load times

All but two timelines are bad timelines according to Cross. I wonder if Chrono Break would have decided Serge and co ruined everything this time if development got anywhere.

if you understood how to read correctly, it means that the DS version has no loading, which is the same as the SNES version, as opposed to the PS re-release awhile back which DID have loading every time you started a battle, you dipshit

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Because Kid's identity would have been less of a twist if she had purple hair
Kid was Schala, right? CC's plot was confusing for me

Trigger really didn't need a sequel to begin with so I'm fine with Break having never manifested to answer that question.

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>no cartridge game does
What is Mickey Mania on SNES? Or Shadow Man on N64 high res mode?

Of course this 3D ver

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Why not just a virtual console release?

DS
Hands down

>Mickey Mania
That's an issue of compressed data on the cartridge chip that the devs refused to get higher storage for, so they chose loading screens.

Kid was a clone Schala made of herself and sent back in time to be adopted by Lucca. They could have gotten around the hair thing by claiming purple hair is just the result of how much magic flowed through the body of Zeal's royal family. I mean Trigger already established to hell that even a maxed out CT party member's magic is junk compared to Schala or even the Queen. Then again that's just raise the question as to why Magus still had purple hair after Lavos drained him.

what was the CC tie-in? I have the DS version but I didn't do all the endings since I played it on SNES a long ass time ago.

Is there any lingering plot threads for Break to answer? Best I got is the non Lavos entity that may have been causing the time gates that the CT party discuss after Robo restores the forest?

You never played The Lost Vikings II or Street Fighter Alpha 2 on the SNES. Or Chrono Trigger on the Playstation.

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I thought it was just the planet doing that?

You re-fight Dalton, and he pretty much directly says that he's gonna bring down Guardia as revenge for everything in CT. Plus one of the endings directly shows the fall of Guardia

>Best I got is the non Lavos entity that may have been causing the time gates that the CT party discuss after Robo restores the forest?
I thought that as Schala.

It does, in fact, heavily imply in CT that the planet is creating the time gates so that the heroes can defeat Lavos

CC ended with more time fuckery of course they could come up with something

Either the DS version, or a modded SNES version (such as a mod with a better translation, or I think there's a new one where Schala is rescuable & she sticks around with the party)

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New dungeons that were just rooms of existing dungeons mashed together and a new ending cutscene

>Cutscene of Porre destroying Guardia and saying the Masamune got corrupted
>Dungeon in 1000 AD where you fight Dalton where he says he'll raise an army in Porre to do said ass stomping
>Access to Dinopolis before the Earth dragged them back out to fight Chronopolis
>Fight with the final boss of Cross where you smack it around enough to wake Schala up long enough for her to say she can't be saved with raw strength (IE need the Chrono Cross) and sends you away. It also has Magus from another time line wipe his memory to reactivate the Magus is Guile plotline Cross cut at the last minute.

After the patches, PC.

PC version still has graphical bugs and a worse UI then the DS version. That and it cut the monster raising game no one bothered with.

Why is DS better, isn't the music shittier?

Makes sense considering Cross revealed the planet spit out Dinopolis to balance out Chronopolis somehow.

I honestly don't remember any graphical bugs. Not a bait. You have any comparison video so I can see them?

>More accurate translation
>Better UI
>More content to tie into Cross better (said content is shit but also ignorable)

iOS and steam versions are based on the DS version but are buggier, cut the monster raising game, and have a worse UI.

No video but I had this lasting glitch line at the top and during the Crono death sequence, there was a pile of jumbled pixels in the bottom right corner in the camera scrolling part before it scrolls up.

Chrono cross

Is garbage.

> Am I butterfly dreaming I'm a man? Or a bowling ball dreaming I'm a plate of sashimi? Never assume what you see and feel is real!

SNES version hands down.

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I seem to recall Kato mentioning in an interview that he had an idea for what a third game would entail. Something about the cast of Cross and Trigger joining forces for the "final battle" or something like that. Maybe we'd go to the source of Lavos or something?

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Could work, just go on space tour wiping Lavos from every planet. I wonder how he'd contrive a party power level wipe at the start.

>cast of Cross
Im going to guess only the main cast party and not the 30 something fucks you can recruit for shit and giggles

According to some dev interview, the royal family of Zeal are natural blondes, but dye their hair purple to show-off their royal status (purple being a classical royal color as it was so expensive to produce) and magical prowess.
This also explains why Marle DOESN'T have purple hair, as she is a direct descendant to Ayla, the (somehow as-yet-and-never-will-be revealed) "Zeal Royal Family" (my head canon claims that either Schala or Kid wound-up establishing Guardia in Year 1 AD, naming the country after their desire to protect the world from the eventual threat of Lavos), Queen Leene, and is an ancestor to Doan (the descendant to the former Director of the Arris Dome - which had replaced Guardia, Arris meaning "the sharpened edge of two flat surfaces", such as the edge of a sword or shield).
tl;dr: Schala is naturally blonde.

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Why the fuck is this not posted more often? Really tripped me up about Schala in Cross

>no load times like the snes version.

The sentence itself can be read either way, but I think he just meant it has no load times like how the SNES version also has no load times.

Serge, Kid or Schala, and maybe Guile to decide if he's Magus or not.

Because the validity of the dev interview existing is suspect as no-one can find it but people cite it, swearing left & right that they read a translated version after the release of the Playstation release of Chrono Trigger. I hated to use it, but again I swear I read that somewhere.

It sounds like an excuse by the dev team but also sounds like it could be fake so I'm conflicted on what to feel

>Magus went to war with Guardia because he needed more hair dye

Is the DS translation actually good and worth it after playing SNES CT? Personally I thought SNES was fine for the most part and even had charm with Frog's medieval speak. (though I know that's divisive.)

My only issue is with any dialogue that was translated incorrectly, leading to confusion. Like Gaspar's "hint" about "finding someone close to you, fast!" (Though it wasn't a huge issue for me) Does the DS version at least fix those mistakes?

Chrono Cross is better.

>The Lost Vikings II
There was Lost Vikings 2? You learn something new every day. How is it?

Exactly.
Yep, game got a full relocalization & that bit about finding someone fast was removed.

You know I never got that, why did he bother fighting Guardia when he only cared about summoning/killing Lavos?

It's not worth replaying for the new translation but worth using the new translation if you pick it up again. A bunch of small shit like item descriptions make more sense due to it and it fixes nonsense like how Frog is the only person in 600 AD to do medieval speak.

Pretty good if you don't mind the load times.

Sause me up senpai. After the GDQ run I had an itch to replay it.

>but dye their hair purple to show-off their royal status (purple being a classical royal color as it was so expensive to produce) and magical prowess.
Why the hell would Magus spend his entire lifetime dying his hair, then? That makes no sense.

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Or just Google "Chrono Trigger Schala Edition".

So was Lavos sentient? I've replayed the game a ton but don't know what to think. Not including Cross in this cause top kek it's Cross.

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Maybe it can be locked in with magic. He cast a spell so his hair stops growing so he doesn't need to cut it.

I agree the DS version was better. It was also the version I completed.

>Doesn't make her a party member

GAYYYY. Altlthough I suppose it'd break the game since she's meant to be much stronger magic wise.

Intelligent but bound to instinct like the Overmind.

Guessing by the ips size I won't be able to play it on my Everdrive.

I can't remember if the interview stated why on that or not, but popular fan theory was that he was honoring the practices of his fallen kingdom & his long-thought-deceased sister who also dyed her hair. Also, again, Purple = Royalty, and Magus was exceptionally egotistical. Using his own hair color to twist the nose of Guardia fits that theme. Plus, purple is considered the color of death in Japanese folklore, which also fits his design (but not Schala's).

>You know I never got that, why did he bother fighting Guardia when he only cared about summoning/killing Lavos?
Ozzie and the rest of the gang were the ones who wanted that war on humans, so he probably went with that to please them. I don't think, except for killing Cyrus, that he did anything against Guardia

I always interpreted him as a mindless insect. Was there ever any sign of planning on Lavos part? Seems like was just a giant space tick who drained the planet dry to produce more offspring.

Unless you want some modder to replace Magus with Schala and design entirely new magic effects for her while re-writing every scene involving Magus after the Underwater Palace...

I still call bullshit. Was this interview before or after the release of CC? Cause CC was retcons galore.

Dunno about that, but it works fine on normal emulators and the SNES Classic.

>You know I never got that, why did he bother fighting Guardia when he only cared about summoning/killing Lavos?
He probably had to act tough to not get killed after being dropped off right in front of Ozzie by the gate, and then after showing the monsters who's boss he just went with the flow of pretending to be big bad demon lord to keep them in check.

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Around the same time as the Chrono Trigger PS release, iirc.

I doubt the devs thought about it that much. It just went "He's Zeal royal family, so he has purple hair" and any crap about always dying it or whatever was just the result of the retcons Cross brought.

Then it's after CC and is a likely retcon. No surprises there.

Lavos deliberately targeted the Reptites because it had determined that the proto-humans could be guided by it to create a society that would power it and allow it to grow & spawn, whereas the Reptites would've dismissed Lavos out of hand. It was also the origin of magic used by the Zeal Kingdom.

AAAAA I WANT LUMICITE NOOOOOOW

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>alien that harvests DNA from it's host planet to evolve
>literally fucking eats the main character
>humanoid form looks nothing like the main character
Missed opportunity desu

Pretty much. It just neatly explained why Marle didn't have purple hair herself. Though it doesn't explain where the red in her hair came from...unless Crono went back in time and knocked-up her mother or grandmother or something.

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He doesn't eat Crono, Lavos disintegrates his body with a beam of energy

Isn't that how you normally eat?

If I eat that way the food goes straight to my ass

So it's like eating at Taco Bell?

Wait a minute, I just thought of something. Marle being a direct descendant of the Zeals doesn't make any fucking sense. That family pretty much ended with the downfall of Zeal. If there were any descendants of Ayla around at the time, they were either magic users who weren't related to the royal family or were commoners who somehow got possession of the red stone later on. Furthermore, why would Marle necessarily need the same hair color as the Zeals? They're literally thousands of generations apart. Would it really be much of a surprise for the dominant physical traits of the family to have changed over time? None of this holds any water.

What I wonder is, wtf is up with the Black Omen? I get that it's supposed to exist as some kind of "chronological singularity" where it exists in all times from 12,000 BC-on simultaneously, but what is up with that room with the clones of the main party?

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Kek, whining about it got me it, thanks Yea Forums

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Originally Scahla escaped when the Mammoth Machine crashed which is why the time devourer didn't exist until after the events of CT and presumably reproduced, granted what happened with Leene should have made it so Marle didn't exist after that happened but I guess the writer screwed that up. Maybe the planet's will intervened or something.

Just exists to look spooky and show the Queen has been preparing for you.

More importantly, who the fuck clones a robot in a test tube?

Are you sure they are clones are not projections?. If i recall correctly the black omen dont really exist in all the timelines simultaneously , its just that its still there all that time. Reason why you cant invaded it in the future since lavos already won there and there is no point in killing it anymore.

Maybe they're actually holograms?

all of them are garbage including the first one, because trigger is shit and Chrono Cross is better.

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It also still exists in the past time periods if you destroy it in the present so you can go back and destroy it multiple times if you want to.

That's what the devs claim. Ayla was Marle's distant ancestor, as was someone from Zeal's royal family (which was kept vague). Again head-canon, but I always figured that it was Schala or Kid, as Marle's/Schala's pendant was in the Guardian Royal Family (per Marle in game) "for generations".
As a sidenote, if you backdate the number of the 1000 AD King (XXXIII) with the number of the 600 AD King (XXI), then keep going, you wind-up with the first King/Queen of Guardia popping-up in Year 1.

>Maybe the planet's will intervened or something.
Well, I'd prefer if a story didn't resort to cheap deus ex machinas for explanations of lore bits like that.

That reeks of a programming fuck up then a lore thing.

Time travel plots always have loads of holes that need to be hand waved away.

It was the planet that created the Time Portals in the first place, too. Lucca just detected them & opened them up.

Was the Black omen in the prehistory?

>That reeks of a programming fuck up then a lore thing.
How is it a fuck up? If you destroy it then it still exists in the past, but if you destroy it in the past then it's gone in all time periods after that point.

No.

>It was the planet that created the Time Portals in the first place, too. Lucca just detected them & opened them up.
What? That's not how it happened. The space-time distortions started happening proper when Zeal started interacting more directly with Lavos. They were already around for millennia when Lucca learned how to use them.

the snes one played on zsnes

A general fan theory is that "The Entity" is either Schala... or you as the player.

You're forgetting Robo's Revelation. Robo explains that over the past 400 years he spent growing the forest, he believes now that it was not Lavos that created the Gates, but that some entity wished for them to witness the events they have seen. Alternatively, he says, the entity may have wished to see them for itself or it was reflecting on the days of its past. However, even if Lavos did not open the Gates, his fate is bound to that of the one who did as Lavos played a role in every age they visited. Robo goes on to say that it is unknown to him whose memories these are, though it is likely an entity greater than any of them.

The most generally accepted theory I've seen is that the Entity is the planet itself

Planets aren't people you dummy.

Yuh-huh
But seriously, in the late SNES/early PS1 era, the whole "the planet is alive" thing was especially common

Sure, but what concrete facts does he have to back this up? It's all just conjecture, and if anything, I think CC debunks it by factoring in just how much fate is actually just the unexpected results of past decisions.

Sorry was reading the wiki page of it and it talked about how destroying certain enemies in it in the future kills them in the past but not all of them. How do you destroy the Black Omen as a whole without ending the game?

Cross established the planet itself is sentient to a degree.

You can just go back to the End of Time after beating Lavos' "shell".

Ah, thought that gate only exists if you use the bucket.

But if that's the case, then what sort of being in "the planet"? At this point you're talking about a being of immeasurable power but heavily limited in usage of said power (A Schala-turned-Human Goddess), or the player (as the players are beings far beyond the comprehension of game characters - see Star Ocean Til The End of Time).

The gate inside Lavos only disappears if you go there by riding Epoch (since it gets destroyed in the process and that would kinda fuck you over if you went back after that)

>Wanting Nomura writing Chrono shit

Cross was already incomprehensible enough, we don't need KH bullshit.

You're thinking too hard about deeper meanings in the role of fate in two video games written by different people. There's no Phoenix Wright-proof concrete facts in either game, just lots of conjecture supported by the stories.

If it's from Nomura, then no-one would see it until the PS9.

>But if that's the case, then what sort of being in "the planet"?
I'm assuming it's like FF7, where the planet is just alive, or is implied to have a soul
>At this point you're talking about a being of immeasurable power but heavily limited in usage of said power
Well, yeah. It's a planet. It can't exactly transform. The implication is that that's why it makes time portals. It can't fight Lavos directly, but it can manipulate others to help it

Well, this is a franchise with selective pedantry for certain things. If it wasn't intended to be analyzed in such depth, it shouldn't have handled its story as it did. I blame Cross for most of that, though. Trigger was relatively simple and to the point. It never bogged itself down in plot dumps and minutiae. Cross shat all over that approach and opened more plot holes than I can count.

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>If it wasn't intended to be analyzed in such depth, it shouldn't have handled its story as it did. I blame Cross for most of that, though.
You should blame Cross for that, frankly. The only real staff member with any creative control on Cross who returned from Trigger was the writer, and my god does it ever show.

You can tell he's the only one to return for the DS port as well since the new content is shit.

You have to remember that that isn't true Lavos.

I recently finished the Steam version and it was perfectly fine.

this game look like dbz garbage who plays this shit my god

Did you beat the super boss?

Nope. Maybe finished was the wrong word. I beat the main story and a few of the other endings.

>art drawn by dbz author looks like dbz shit

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Kato was long gone from Square Enix by the time that happened. I don't think he had any involvement in that port. Yasunori Mitsuda did, though! That's why that game's soundtrack didn't get screwed up like the GBA ports of FF4 through FF6.

People who belong in Yea Forums not some stupid zoomer.

Oh god the FF6 GBA port was terrible in that regard. I remember being ok with it at first, but seriously, it just gets worse and worse

>Only played CT back in the day
>Light hearted, non convulted storyline and memorable characters
>Read about this Chorno Cross game
>Autism and confusion is all i get, pretentiously over complicated timelines, characters and story trying to look deep and mature.
I'll skip, rather keep the good memories of CT intact, I'm kinda old for japanese rpg games anyway.

>I'm kinda old for japanese rpg games anyway.
>He thinks that other video games are more mature
Yikes

Yeah, barring the improved graphics for FF4 and FF5, as well as improved localization quality for all three games, TOSE's handling of the GBA ports of the SNES FFs were kind of a mess. FF4 Advance's original release had tons of bugs and all three games had bad audio quality. Sure, the GBA hardware was partly to blame, but a number of great ports of Nintendo first-party games like SMW, Yoshi's Island, and LttP definitely proved that the GBA could handle SNES games just fine in most regards.

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user I at least watched a Let's Play before I started spouting that, try to form your own opinions.