There is no defense for this. No...

but their competition does it too and they're cheaper than the rest at least.

Stop. Being. Poor.

>By that logic, you'll might as well just throw away any arbitrary amount of money, because you can think of something more expensive.
No, idiot. You're paying to use their service. In fact i was wrong, lol. It's 20 dollars for a whole year, 8 dollars for 3 months, and there's a free trial for 7 days.
If you're too poor don't worry about it

Stop. Being. A. Sheep.

>online is terrible
>need a smart phone to voice chat
>most first party titles don't support parties
>games like super mario maker 2 still using friend codes when online IDs and friend lists are now a thing

What exactly am I paying for here?

Stop. Repeating. What. I. Say.

''''''matchmaking''''' servers

I forgot I even had it, turned that shit off right quick when I was reminded though a withdraw. They offer nothing of value and the communication options are non existent with my friends list. Shits bad

Am I the only one who refuses to pay for any one of the online thingies?

Nintendo is giving away a year of online if you have prime.

The problem is the service is so shit it's hard to justify ANY amount of money for it.

>get one year online for free from prime
>get one year online for free from mario maker
wow, that was so hard

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I really wouldn't mind paying for the online if the online wasn't so damn bad.

>runs out after 2 years
What’s next worst girl?

>still have shit friend code sysyem
>voice chat needs a damn phone
>no messaging system
>free games are just damn ROMs
>online games still have connectivity issues
I have this shit and anyome that defends it is retarded.

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Fuck Microsoft and Sony for setting the precedent, and fuck Nintendo for finding a way to do payed online in a lazier way than Sony or Microsoft.

I do, but not because of any principles or anything like that. I simply don't play online long enough to need it. Now if paid online was required to download DLC or patches, then I'd be pissed.

I've actually tried playing some of the NES games on the Switch and they run like absolute garbage. Extreme slowdown all the time. Is the Switches NES emulator that bad or is it the hardware? Because Metroid was unbearable at some parts.

>payed online
>payed

Yeah it's fucking dog shit

NES games have always ran like shit

The peformance when a certain number of entities are on screen is innate to the NES games that have been emulated.

but you are in the wrong here supporting shaddy busines practices. and taking the corporative cock

Anyone who pays for games or online game services has a corporate dick shoved down their throat. Piratechads cant be beat, unless it’s handball

If "the competitors do it too" and it being cheaper than its competitors don't count as arguments for it, why are you attacking Nintendo specifically? Why aren't you pointing out that all companies that make you pay extra to use internet you paid for on a console you paid for with a game you paid for are at fault here?

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The insulting part is not the fact of just paying, it's the fact that their service is bare bones and majority of games have a really shit online with lag, being the most recent case, Mario Maker 2 which is fucking laughable.

At least when Sony started to charge people for online, they took some good ideas from XBL like parties and cloud saving.
The fact that the Switch doesnt have an easier way of adding friends and fucking direct messages is fucking baffling when even the OG xbox had it.

I dont know about games, money its what keeps the industry working, but one thing is a product like games, and another is paying for a "service" thats acctually the plataform owner mischieving way to cut the online contain for the games that you buy and forcing you to PAY for having that wich is actually a part of the game you already BROUGHT.

The only way to stop this is to STOP paying for the stupid """"SERVICE"""" this corporate assholes shell you

Because I like Nintendo more than the other consoles and they have more games that I would like to be able to play online. PC is also a competitor and lets me play pretty much every non-Nintendo exclusive without paying extra. Since I like Nintendo, I want their online service to be just as good as PC with a similar price.

""""SERVICE"""""*********

haha nice try shill

If you aren't retarded you can at bare minimum break even by buying family and selling extras, and that gives you access to game vouchers which will save you money

Does nintendo even give you "free" games like xbox and ps4?
Usually you make up the cost and then some over however many "free" games actually catch your fancy.

Because if you pay for Sony and MS's online you're still getting a fucking great service. Nintendo's online is a fucking scam

I agree.
The Switch took numerous steps backwards from the Wii U.
t. owns a Switch, a Wii U, and has only ever had Nintendo consoles and a PC

Because I never had hope for Playstation or Xbox and have never cared about them.
I bought a Wii U, and it was better than this dumb crap.

How do you get the Mario maker thing?

imagine being so mad about videogames that you need to argue with random strangers on the internet about it

Nincels will defend this,

How else am I supposed to play with Stacy?

>Sony is just right

i would be ok with it if it wasnt this bad
like, its not too expensive and thats nice, but i dont wanna pay even a little money for a service this shit (even though i do pay it lmao)

How? 25 dollars is an hour of work. It's literally nothing for a year of something.

Do you think next next gen will drop this shit? Or will everyone who doesn't wanna pay to play fucking online convert to PC-ism or will PC find some way to do this shit too?

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It should be free. Period.

If Nintendo does it, it means they're right & you're wrong, kiddo

Nintendo's always right baby

It really and truly is fucked. We're paying for shit that is just as bad as the free crap they had on other systems.

I tried to play Mario Bros and some other NES classics online with a buddy and it was so laggy it was unplayable.

*5 bucks

No, it shouldn't. Period.

But every game I play is laggy as shit. The only one that's fine is Smash, when I do a lobby with my friend who has the fucking adaptor add on.

You don't use lan? What the fuck kind of gamer are you?

As a huge Nintendo fan I agree. The online is incontrovertibly not worth the price. Mario maker 2 is a prime example. Someone should start a petition.

>Mario Maker 2
>Free
The bundle that comes with online is $70. That's $10 for a year instead of $20, but it's not free.

I have the adaptor thing too. Doesn't matter in many games.

What are you even on this board for? Your post is the equivalent of a guy in a fedora walking into a church and going "Mmmmmm look at all these simpletons attending service"

>There is no defense for this.
It keeps third worlders offline.

I love it when console fags go out of their way to justify peer to peer.

theres a maker 2 bundle thats 10 bux more and it comes with a code for a year of online

fucking shill

What am I supposed to do?
Not play any of my switch games online?

As a switch owner and Nintendo fan, I agree with you more than anyone.

The Thing that sucks about it is that it's pretty much unplayable online, & you pay for it.
At least during the Wii U era it was free, but now It's complete & utter dogshit.
Do you know what you could buy for 25 dollars? Good games, more utensils, add it to your save funds for your vacation, & a good meal.
Also the fact that they dropped the virtual console for NES games being drip fed is inexcusable. Especially with the Wii U's library of quality games.
So in short, Switch Online sucks harder than a vaccum cleaner bought from a high quality seller, Would reccomend for some tough crumbs.

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>pay $20
>get free year from amazon prime
OH NO! I'M BROKE

Paid online is still bullshit though.

ok im a shill for stating a fact whatever u paranoid mong

>worst girl

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These systems are failing!

fucking retard its not perfect but its cheaper and better than xbox and sony online stop being biased.

>Because if you pay for Sony and MS's online you're still getting a fucking great service.

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I got a free year thanks to Amazon Prime so I'm good

in comparison to Nintendo's its fucking night and day

>pay more for p2p
fuck off fanboy

Not really. I have Sony's online service for my Vita and it sucked balls.

Also, tried to cancel my PSN sub the other day and it took 10 minutes for the website to load, and even then, it would let me sign in. I had to wait 30min for my ps4 to update so I could do it from the PS store there

Okay OP, don't pay for it and show me how to play splatoon 2 online

*wouldnt

I didn't even mention playstation & xbox, I only compared it to the Wii U. You're trying to deflect because you don't have any defense for it.
Prove me wrong.

Do you have an actual defense?

Yes it should. Period

Yeah, that being I want to be able to play my games

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Imagine paying to use your fucking internet

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Speaking of 4...

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normally i don't pay for them since i mostly play pc but i did buy one year of switch online. i don't think i will renew since i never use it.

Hope you enjoy having no cloud saves and paying for the same “quality” online you got for free.

Everyone else doing it is not a good defense.

you get a few "new" 30 year old NES roms every month and a online versus version of tetris which is alright. other than that, no

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The one thing that bugs me the most about Nintendo especially is that they refuse to get dedicated servers.Just look at Mario Maker Versus which could have been an amazing mode, or Smash online. Getting a decent connection is a coin flip.

github.com/spacemeowx2/switch-lan-play
Runs at a better tickrate as well.

>only online game I play is Dragon Quest X on my switch
>doesn't require Nintendo Online to play

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I don't have Mario Maker 2 but I remember someone saying you didn't need the subscription to just download and play stages, but I imagine that's a lie, it's really the only thing I'd want to do if I get it.

Does CTR require Switch online? Asking before I buy it.

Look at this deflecting that no one asked for. It being cheaper than it's competitors has nothing to do with the fact that it was previously free and that even for the lower price of $20 a year it's a fucking garbage service and not worth the amount.

I know this exists but the player base is much smaller

yes of course

There's no defense for any of them, they're all shit.

Yes.

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So what? You can still play it without paying, and get a halfway decent experience out of it.
Splatoon matchmaking is horrid anyway. Everyone just gets private lobbies if they want to play.

>first time nintendo is charging for online
>make their biggest multiplayer game and one of the hottest most hyped games this year both P2P
So I guess spending that extra couple million on some dedicated servers is out of the question?

Please understand making a server is hard

there is no defense to this because there is no need to defend it, it's not an offense, is just marketing by big corporations trying to get money

It is literally one of the worst online services period.

Ever since Iwata died, Nintendo started cranking up the anti-consumer practices to eleven. I wonder if there's a correlation.

You mean the online function that used to be free?

should be free

just paying a fee to get your console taken off the master server's blacklist so it can organize a P2P connection for you
nintendo is a small indie company so cannot afford to pay these no doubt massive server costs without your subscription

shut the fuck up im still paying for it and I enjoy it and right now its the best online on any console you stupid shit.

Don't forget that the online for MM2 and Ultimate is P2P, so you're paying for WORSE internet! Amazing how the fucking Wii U has better online than the Switch.

>Nintendo fans 2004-2017
>>free online is a selling point for consoles, often used against the competition
>>pride themselves on durable hardware that can take years of abuse and still work perfectly fine
>>they sell complete games, and will always have a seal of quality at launch

>Nintendo fans 2019
>>"What are you, poor? $20 is nothing, just shell up and stop being entitled"
>>"You stupid gorilla, stop intentionally breaking your Joycons. Works fine on my machine :)"
>>"It's totally okay to have DLC locked behind marked-up, limited run pieces of plastic. Mario Tennis Aces? Just wait for the updates. At least they're not EA!"

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It's okay when Nintendo does it.

>Dragon Quest X on switch
>no online required
isn't DQ X an online mmorpg like?

Nintendo has gotten better since the dark days of 2015 and 2016. But there's still shit that needs to be addressed.

It was advertised as a trial from the start

It's less that it became anti-consumer and stopped giving a fuck about any country that wasnt Japan for its consumer base. The switch is literally a console made for the commuting, friendless, average Joe salaryman in Sunrise land where they dont give a fuck about playing with friends online. As a result the console and its online service is a fucking joke to anyone anywhere else in the world

So true...

And yet it was somehow BETTER.

Less players since less people owned a switch at the time

It isn't just the online, though. They've started adopting shitty DLC practices and other garbage.

>more people makes an online service shitty
what kind of brain dead retard are you?

Yes, it's an MMO.
No, it doesn't use the Nintendo Switch Online subscription.

Oh yeah I hear you, dont even get me fucking started on locking content behind limited amiibos and not giving the consumer the option to just buy the fucking content online

dont like it dont buy it dumbass. paid online damage has already been done. vote with your wallet. or wait, my bad. your good boy points.

I wonder why developers choose to support the online subscription, too, in their games, does the money go to them as well? I don't think so. If it were only for Nintendo first party games it'd make more sense.

>will PC find some way to do this shit too?
Bingo. Game Pass PC is Microsoft's stealth mode approach to eventually forcing Gold onto its users. Ultimate incorporates GamePass PC and XBL Gold, which means PC owners that pay for the membership thinking about early access and other shit are technically paying for Gold without needing it.
The platform wars now between Ebin and Steam, among others, along with streaming services flooding the market, will bring subscriptions to PC. Normies will allow it and it'll be normalized.

Among other things

why not?

>first the dlcs that sell the second half of the game for more money
>then lootboxes that sell the lacking content of the game
>then paid online services
what is next you faggots literally enable this by being dumb corporate drones holy shit literally kill yourself

just like with sony and microsoft, nintendo provides the online infrastructure to make it easier to develop for online play, so the subscription does help the developers indirectly

>do you think the next gen is going to give up the thing that gives them millions of extra in revenue that they barely have to work for and people will just mindlessly buy because they absolutely need their fix of annual call of duty/pokemon/smash bros/sports games?

>sony and nintendo mongs coincidentally started thinking paid online was fine when their respective console manufacturer introduced it
lol what are you poor

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paid online for consoles has been a thing for 15+ years, no reason to think it will stop

Shills you no why the online sucks
p2p connections, no dedicated servers, very weak nes library (with draconian rules), $20 bucks for one account,still no new features that Nintendo said in their video on youtube.

>He hasn't hacked his switch to get free online yet

>Removed all Wii U features from BOTW to sell more Switches
>Literally put Nintendo Switch ads in the Wii U version
>Have to buy DLC to get the fucking Master Sword out of trial mode
>Fuck you if you bought Virtual Console games, you aren't getting them back
>You want a controller with your console? $80 extra
>Servers? Peer to peer is good enough
>Dreams, Spark, and Mario Maker Wii U/3DS let you download levels for free? Lol give us $20 fag
>Literally put in the R&D to produce a separate Joycon grip without a charge port just so they could sell you a new one with a charge port
Nintendo is the worst company on the planet, they've surpassed EA in every way. Just you fucking wait for them to raise the sub price when they add SNES games to the "service"

woah...

Shills you know why the online sucks
p2p connections, no dedicated servers, very weak nes library (with draconian rules), $20 bucks for one account,still no new features that Nintendo said in their video on youtube.

People not only accept, but prefer matchmaking over community servers in PC games now. Regular users will definitely accept console-like subscription services to use the matchmaking system.

why do you care so much about a company you dislike

The only reason I even have this shit is I'm mooching off a friend's family plan. If they charged more than the family plan's effective $5 a year for this shit, the online would be a fucking ghost town, the service is an absolute joke and there's no way anyone except for lonely shills would actually spend $25 a year on this hot garbage.

>If you have literally any negative opinion on anything Nintendo does, you don't like Nintendo
Jesus fucking Christ you subhuman drones truly are some of the most stupid people on the planet

MS and sony offers dedicated servers and stable online connection. In other words, they offer a much better service.

I guarantee you if Epic manages to dethrone Steam they'll start charging a subscription for online. "Oh woe is us, our servers can barely handle the 60 million Fortnite players, we need to do this!"
Microsoft already has a subscription for "free games" on PC. They're straight up copying Sony's move to force PS+ on PS4

>>get one year online for free from mario maker

Does Yea Forums not understand the definition of free?

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nobody wants to admit they're a sucker

I have negative opinion on everything Nintendo does since wiiu, and I don't like Nintendo

>people on Yea Forums think "free" thing behind a paywall is a good thing
>don't realize it basically means "part of paid package that we can arbitrarily discontinue"
lol

MS and Sony only offer dedicated servers for first party and a select few third party games. In fact I'm pretty sure most of Sony's multiplayer games are peer to peer. The reason they're more stable is because there aren't as many wifi users as on the Switch.

Why do you care so much about OP and his thread?

Why is it a good defense?

>better than xbl
delusional

>Nintendo is the worst company on the planet, they've surpassed EA
/thread

A

Microsoft already tried to force Gold onto PC and they failed miserably. Multiplayer subscriptions are incredibly unpopular on PC to the point where even MMOs are dropping the sub model in favor of F2P and B2P.

>Nintendo is the worst company on the planet, they've surpassed EA in every way.

How hyperbolic of you. A typical user

you guys are legit funny i love you like the friends i wish to have

A free Xbox account already offers more than a paid Nintendo one.

>MS and Sony only offer dedicated servers for first party and a select few third party games.
At least they offer for the majority of games.
Nintendo offers 0 servers support even for the first party titles.
>The reason they're more stable is because there aren't as many wifi users as on the Switch.
It's your autism speaking user

>At least they offer for the majority of games.
They don't.

>Also the fact that they dropped the virtual console for NES games being drip fed is inexcusable. Especially with the Wii U's library of quality games.
What's up with this shit? The console is perfect for Virtual Console and it's just a bunch of NES games that require a subscription. Is this some inane strategy to sell mini consoles?

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The defense is simply "the market supports it". Stop being a communist. People have spent ten times as much on the most frivolous shit.

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Honestly I could justify paying for it if they actually improved their online servers.
Trying to play online shit like Smash on the WiiU was fucking abysmal and I was sure paying for Switch online would fix that but they really havent seemed to improve their server quality at all.
Fucking hell Nintendo is never going to catch up to modern life.

I bought the Super Mario Maker 2 pack that included the online membership and holy shit, i'm baffled by how fucking retarded and incompetent nintendo is.

I know they've ALWAYS been fucking 20 years behind in the online part of videogames but they hit peak retardness in bundling the online with mario maker 2. every 2 games of online versus match you'll play, it becomes a fucking power point slide show and you have 3 input delay on everything you do. It becomes LITERALLY unplayable.

I just don't fucking understand how can a multi-million dollar corporation, that is solely focused on videogames that is, can be so insultingly incompetent. I'm truly baffled.

They dont play splatoon 2 in Japan?

>criticizing overpriced frivolous "services" is communist

The invisible hand of the market is jerking me off right now

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Splatoon 2 is designed for Japan, while giving the shaft to the rest of the world.

yes they are

Yes, it's communist to expect things for free when there is a ready, willing, and able market that will pay for them.

I agree, the online service is shit and if not for Mario Maker I wouldn't even touch that shit.

If they don't expand the """virtual console""" atalog to be gigantic and span multiple consoles, I'm not renewing next year.

Is gaming the most anti-consumer hobby? It's got to be, right?

Matchmaking already exists for free PC online.

*cheap

They are what? The majority of PS4 and Xbox online multiplayer games are peer to peer, only a few use MS/Sony dedicated servers.

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stop complaining about stuff people are dying you know

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Except the whole concept of the free market involves making the choice of what you fucking buy and support.

This image is communist.

>Know how to spend my money makes me a communist

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If you're not a mindless consumer you're a communist. Those are the only two options. Don't ask questions just buy the product and consume more product.

all CoDs are dedicated servers for example

I can't defend it, it's a shit service and it didn't improve at all once it started requiring a subscription. The fact that it is dirt cheap enables me to cope with it though.

Eat shit chink shill

>25 dollars is an hour of work
haha yeah

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The market defends a bunch of stupid shit I don't buy or want. Fuck you, bootlicker.

No, you retarded animenigger, expecting something for free when there is a market willing to pay for it makes you a communist. I simply assume that all you retards expect it to be free by default, since if you understood the topic at all, you wouldn't cry so loudly about it all the fucking time. Paid online for consoles will never stop being a thing as long as there is a market that is willing to pay for it. Go discuss an actual video game you like instead of something you dislike that you can't ever possibly hope to change.

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Delete this.

No they're not.
And none of them use Microsoft or Sony's servers for hosting games. Newer CODs use the dev's servers.

>retards will pay for absolutely ridiculous shit and awful quality service but you can't have an opinion on it because the market is God
gay

>in comes the 56% with his favourite meme, the commie meme, because he loves sucking the circumised cock of his masters, no matter if they are Activision or israelis

>not wanting paid online to exist is the same thing as wanting all property to be publically owned
fuck off, shill. If you're going to call people names know what they mean.

By that logic laws against ponzi schemes are inherently communist.

don't forget child labor laws

You can have an opinion on it, your opinion just won't change anything and I'm simply telling you that you would do better to think about things that make you happy.
>in comes the consolenigger with his favorite meme, the paid online meme, because he is too stupid to build a PC and pirate games like a normal person

>build a PC and pirate games like a normal person
You misspelled communist

This is why we should ban all discussion critical of games and the game industry on Yea Forums.

Yea Forums would do better if they were only allowed to think and talk about games that make them happy. No dissent allowed.

The difference being, I have the power in that situation. You have no power when it comes to nintendie's retard containment service. Stop whining about it, the console is shit anyway and will be emulated just like cemu eventually.

>No, "the competition does it too!" and "it's cheaper than the rest at least!!" aren't legitimate defenses
but those are literal defenses

>The difference being, I don't know what communism is

Fixed that for you.

Why?

>Stop whining about it

Why should we? Because you said so? Ironically you're whining about a topic of discussion you have no power to stop being posted on Yea Forums. You're a little bitch on a containment board whining about other anons, get fucked.

He said legitimate, not literal.

yeah, instead I have to pay $1k for a pc that can decently run games but crashes 99% of the time because good pc ports are nonexistent

Your "dissent" has been voiced a hundred thousand times, as far back as 2002. In all the years people have been "dissenting" paid online, all that has happened is that sony and nintendo have implemented it as well. If your "dissent" was ever going to improve things, it would have done so in the beginning, not seventeen cocking years into the consumer buttfucking, as the consumers are at their fattest, laziest, and most complacent. Get real. I'm just advising you to talk about something you actually like, for a change.
OP said there was no defense for paid online. He is a faggot, as always, because the only defense that matters is still "the market is willing to support it".
Dumb niggers.

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Thankfully that's not an issue I have because I'm not a tech illiterate retard

alright thanks, bye

tl;dr

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Stellar arguments, as always, Yea Forums. Maybe in another seventeen years you'll finally grasp the most basic rule of economics.

I wasn't responding to one.

I dont expect nothing for free. I only think that if you offer a service mandatory for many games you give quality for the consumer.
The problem is the online service that Nintendo offer now a days have the same quality when it was free.
In other words, there is no problem to turn a free service into a paid one but improve it and give to the consumers some damn dedicated servers

You probably buy from aliexpress.

there's no argument to be had because you're just whinging about people whinging

Unless Pokémon has a really inviting competitive scene like X&Y did when it first came out, I will never pay for this online service.

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There is no defense for spending any money on video games, so who cares

Yes, you were. What is your rebuttal to "the market supports this, therefore it exists"?
I'm simply explaining why their whinging is pointless because they have been whinging for seventeen years about something that will never change for the better as long as an increase in profit is still the bedrock of corporations.

>I'm simply explaining why their whinging is pointless
By whinging pointlessly about it.

This the same logic for movies.
why spend money in netflix?Books are much more healthier

Console
>put disc in
>play game

PC
>buy multiple parts that cost $1000 for a decent build
>have to manually put together all the components
>you have to replace all your parts every 1.5 years as the graphics cards become worse over time and run worse
>have to install a video game license rental service like Steam
>have to play $60 for recently released games but have no benefits as physical copy
>there are constant updates for games slowing down the chance of playing the game
>games constantly crash and run into compatibility problems
>Nvidia gimps their cards with Gameworks to make you buy their newer hardware
>try to play some indie games but most are uninspired rip offs of older SNES games I played
>try a early access to literally alpha test a game with barely any content and runs poorly
>can't let my friends borrow my games without jumping though huge obsoletes and even then we can't play each others games if the other is playing a different game at the time
>try to play older games from my childhood on N64 and PS2 emulators
>try to plug in my controller to use for more comfortablility but it requires multiple drivers and constantly rebind the controls every time I switch games
>download emulator for them but they take a while to get the right settings and even then the games run poorly and are missing textures and other graphical glitches
>try to play older PC I heard from others but the run into compatibility problems and constantly crashes when tried to play
>try to play a fun looking multiplayer game but the game is filled with hackers and modders plus young teens and braindead children constantly spouting memes
>try to play split screen with my friends but hardly any games supports split screen and is a hassle to set up

kys PCkeks

No, I wasn't.
>"the market supports this, therefore it exists"
Nobody was claiming it doesn't exist.

"The market supports this" is a non-argument, only a shitbrained moron would think corporations should be allowed to do whatever they want to increase their profits.

You might be right, but I always hold out hope that someone, somewhere sees my post and realizes how fucking stupid it is to complain about paid online in the year two thousand and nineteen, and stops doing it. Maybe that person will go do something productive instead. If I have succeeded in convincing even one person, I would consider this time well spent.
I'm going to sleep, try not to lose too much of it yourselves by arguing about the most pointless topic possible.

>Console:

>put disc in
>update firmware reuired
>have to navigate through horrible proprietary OS, no competition no push for quality
>5 seconds loading per menu
>the firmware update has removed some functionality for "security reasons"
>game needs to install
>wait 2 hours for horribly slow installations, just like in 1998 before SSDs
>it's finally done
>a patch is available and required for online mode
>servers are down
>whoops, YLOD/RROD/defective hinge/disc lense/disc scratched, looks like I have to return the system to the manufacturer and I'll see it again in 3 months cause it's proprietary shit only they can replace

Truly, the kings of plug & play
Consoles hit the shitter so hard in gen 6 ever since they attempt to become babby's PC. You will never beat a PC in being a PC with that mindset, since a console is the complete opposite by definition.

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>vgc 2014
>happening again

user that was Pokemon's EVO 37, Is never going to happen ever again, because they can't drop the fucking Tapus and the Tiger of the healthy meta.

>only I should be allowed to complain about things, it's only unproductive when everyone else does it and they should stop.

Suck a dick.

They are allowed to do that because the market supports that. The only recourse, aside from activism, is legislating against it. Go ahead. Your activism in seventeen years has got you nowhere except further into the dirt, so try appealing to government to stop paid online. Retard.
I'm really going now, I swear. I'm turning off my PC immediately after I post.
Grow up.

>finally start to play a game after half the night is finished
>need to pay extra for online
>credit card gets stolen right from the console

you just have a defective console, try again PCkek

This. Why do you think Nintendo just announced a less powerful portable only switch instead of a more powerful docked only switch that can actually compete with it's competitors in terms of hardware? Because all they care about sales from their fellow nippons

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You could say the same about the other too. There is no defense for Sony and Microsoft to do it either.

>Grow up.
You're literally whining about people rightfully criticizing a shitty service. Take your own advice.

>I'm simply explaining why their whinging is pointless because they have been whinging for seventeen years about something that will never change for the better as long as an increase in profit is still the bedrock of corporations.
even your pretend point is dumb as shit because markets do change due to consumer reflection even for long established precedents
complaining about paid online is basically a zero cost action anyway, you were never going to use this time browsing an imageboard to do anything better

>buy PC parts
>put together
>download steam
>download game
>hit play

Nothing you said in your PC section has any substantial basis whatsoever. except the splitscreen part, there are some games that have it but I cant name you one right now.

Why are Nintendo suddenly trying to charge me for something I had for free for almost two years? Besides NES roms, what else am I getting out of this?

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>millions
They make billions on it, user.

The market only works with rational actors. People who will both vocally boycott and complain about products and businesses that make shitty decisions.

Bending over and taking it is just about the worst thing you can do under a purely capitalist system. Of course why am I bothering to explain this to someone who thinks "the market supports it" is a defense for consumer buttfucking and calls everyone else communist. Your mouth might as well be surgically attached to the cocks of these companies.

A place to dump your money.

Then explain where server costs should come from. What payment should players pay to maintain the companies servers if not a yearly payment then?

I was gifted one year and bought another for 15 dollars using the 5 dollars off any 20 dollar or more purchase coupon from Humble and I still feel ripped off.

>implying modern consoles have quality OS and no firmware updates or installation
You have a defective brain.

I can get it for free on the Wii U

The same payment they used to maintain the "companies servers" for 3DS and Wii U, which are the exact same "servers" the Switch uses for online play.

Every single fucking time with this argument, google whataboutism. Tell me why Nintendo's service is worth $20 despite lacking basic features and being previously free without mentiong other services. Saying "well at least it's not as bad as x" isn't an argument.

You're right. Still isn't a defense for it though.

The Switch doesn't have dedicated servers for most games. It is literally the shittiest online service available.

>install firmware updates
>takes literally a few minutes
>all done and ready to play the game
and im the one with the defective brain?

>have to navigate through horrible proprietary OS, no competition no push for quality
>5 seconds loading per menu
>the firmware update has removed some functionality for "security reasons"
>game needs to install
>wait 2 hours for horribly slow installations, just like in 1998 before SSDs
>it's finally done
>a patch is available and required for online mode
>servers are down
yes you are the one with a defective brain.

>>you have to replace all your parts every 1.5 years as the graphics cards become worse over time and run worse
>meanwhile Nintendo literally refused to let you run games on 3DSes that weren't brand spanking new
>Meanwhile PS4 Pro and Xbox X
lol

you just have a defective PC, try again consolecuck

Once again. Why pay for a service which is infinitely worse than just paying your ISP and play games on PC?
If this isn't a fully acceptable argument, then you're just looking to shitpost as per usual.

>There is no defense for this. No, "the competition does it too!" and "it's cheaper than the rest at least!!" aren't legitimate defenses.
You're right those aren't defenses, but when somebody mentions either of them people tend to act like they are defending it, I don't really get it but it's cheaper than the rest at least.

And what is your argument that it should be free? The assertive party needs to prove its side before the defense gets its rebuttal to the asserting party.

>use their service
No, you're paying to remove a paywall that's blocking your P2P connections.

>If this isn't a fully acceptable argument, then you're just looking to shitpost as per usual.

Or maybe you're just using whataboutism to shitpost and deflect from OP's issue.

OP never mentioned any issue though. It's literally "There is no defense for this" with no other reason.

There's no reason it should be free. In fact PC should have the same system too.

the console OS is nowhere near as bad and slow as you make it out to be, stop exaggerating PCkek.
>>game needs to install
>wait 2 hours for horribly slow installations, just like in 1998 before SSDs
>it's finally done
>a patch is available and required for online mode
>servers are down
thats entirely dependent on the game PCnigger doesn't apply for every scenario
Off yourself PCkek

Being willfully obtuse just means you're retarded.

Thankfully the PC has a built-in immunity to this. If steam or Epic ever tried charging a subscription fee, then more people would sail the high seas and plunder booty, if you get the vernacular.

>go on lad, this one's on me

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>the console OS is nowhere near as bad and slow as you make it out to be,
Yes it is
>thats entirely dependent on the game
no it's dependent on the console's servers Consolenigger
If you died tomorrow nobody would miss you. You're a waste of flesh. Cope.

>people calling allowing you to use your own internet connection a "service"
Holy shit are you fucking kidding me?

That's not how obtuse works.
But then again, I primarily play on PC, so I don't have to deal with the dumb shit console players has to go through with.

>If you died tomorrow nobody would miss you. You're a waste of flesh. Cope.
not him but this sounds like projection.

>That's not how obtuse works.
You're being obtuse again.

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Ignorance is a staple for corporate cocksuckers.

That's not how projection works.
But then again, I primarily play on PC, so I don't have to deal with the dumb shit console niggers have to deal with.

How come console players always has to wage war against each others despite being worse than PC?
At least Switch has a redeeming point being portable.

someones angry

Yeah it's you.

The Switch has nothing because it's selling a portable-size experience at a regular game's price.

after all that projection you sure you're ok? did the consolefag hurt you that much?

incorrect usage of projection.
saying projection isn't just an uno reverse card nigga.

Besides the fact that Nintendo’s online service has been free for 10+ Years, and Switch’s Online was free for almost 2 years? The games don’t have dedicated servers, it’s P2P, meaning we are basically being charged extra to use our own internet. You get cloud saves but not for all games and for arbitrary reasons. Oh and voice chat through an app on your phone which you can do for free with stuff like Discord or literally just calling your friend(s). And those NES games they’ve advertised are rereleases for the same games we’ve been getting on the eShop since the DSi.

So far, there isn’t a single thing worth paying $20 for.

>because it's selling a portable-size experience
Which is what I said.

That's exactly how projection works. You're talking about video games and randomly lashing out with unwarranted vitriol because you hate yourself for being such a piece of shit.

This manifests in you treating complete strangers like shit over disagreeing with you about digital entertainment. Wow, you're such an intellectual, user!

You know what I don't understand? Why do you drones willfully put the time and energy to fight against something that, if it goes through, would benefit EVERYONE including you. Why not just fucking ignore it if you don't want to join in on the crusade? It's the exact opposite of hurting you, so why?

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>You're talking about video games and randomly lashing out with unwarranted vitriol because you hate yourself for being such a piece of shit.
>Off yourself PCkek

Now this is projection

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That's not a benefit, because all of those portable games are garbage and more expensive than comparable titles elsewhere.

>No, "the competition does it too!" and "it's cheaper than the rest at least!!" aren't legitimate defenses
they would be, if Nintendo would get off their ass and actually provide a service worth paying for. i prefer them over Sony and M$ any day, but the quality of their online is absolutely abhorrent and it baffles me that they feel they can charge for it in its current state.

>i dont like those games so it doesn't count
thanks user you really contributed to this discussion

its the correct use retard
>off yourself PCkek
vs
>I-IF YOU DIED TOMMOROW NOBODY WOULD MISS YOU. YOU'RE A WASTE OF FLESH!
Yep thats exactly what projection is PCkek

Complete strangers who post greentext copypasta and shitpost about PC deserve to be treated like shit, they are essentially subhuman and incapable of intellectual discussion to begin with.

what the actual fuck are you even trying to say, user?

>kill yourself
vs
>K-KILL YOURSELF I AM SILLY AND MADE OF STRAW

Also way to out yourself as a samefaggot. I was completely right by the way, you are a waste of flesh.

That the people defending the practice of paid online have literally no reason to because if it was removed, everyone, including them, would benefit.

Previous handheld consoles had the excuse of their lesser experiences not costing $60.

in that case, keep preachin'. agreed wholeheartedly.

Brand loyalty is one hell of a drug

How is BOTW on the switch a lesser experience than BOTW on the Wii U?

No d-pad.

Because handheld games were usually budget games. The switch is a hybrid console, there's small handheld budget games and there's big AAA games.

Or it is pure retardation.
I'd argue console war threads are worse than e-celeb threads.

>kill yourself
vs
>K-KILL YOURSELF I AM SILLY AND MADE OF STRAW
user you were obviously projecting its ok man, no need to lash out an image board on a Nintendo thread. I'll find the consolefag who put you through this

>and there's big AAA games
That look like budget games, while often being more expensive.

That has nothing to do with the game though. You can buy a Switch controller or joycon with a dpad

>Y-YOU W-WERE OBVIOUSLY P-PROJECTING
looks like I hit a nerve.

It makes switching weapons more of a chore.

Switching weapons works exactly the same in both versions. You're complaining about the controller, which has nothing to do with how the game is designed.

So if games should be priced according to their graphics then shouldn't console versions of games be cheaper than their pc versions?

not that user, but it sounds like you're just looking for something to nitpick over. i've played both versions, and had no more trouble with the Switch version regardless of what controller i used.

nintendo is a japanese company, japan will always come first... as it should.

>Implying even a 1/4 of Switch owners care or even know the WiiU even existed

>Pay $10 more for the version with the Online code
>free

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>N-NO I WASN'T OVER THE TOP AND PROJECTING
It's time to shut down the computer if you're lashing out over anons about a PC

Normally but I got it free with amazon, then twitch then with Mario maker so I’m stacked for 3 years.
At this point it’s just a shrug for me

Most of them know what the Wii and 3DS/DS were which all have the same online as the Switch in terms of multiplayer service.

>mfw i bought mhgu without knowing the online will be paid
i miss 3u, doing hub quests alone is boring.

>Y-YOU W-WERE OVER THE T-TOP AND P-PROJECTING KILL YOURSELF

I wasn't the one lashing out at other anons over PC.

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>The switches online is garbage
>"Yeah but xbox and ps4's are worse"
>"Yeah but it's still shit"
>"Why don't you just play PC then?"
The average nintendo shill IQ on display here everyone.

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>free

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I'm a PC shill. I'm just questioning the retardation from console players in general.
You're even agreeing with me the online mode on any console is shit with your green text.

Although 25 dollars is cheap and I can get that for one day of work. The quality of the service and lack of content is quite abysmal compared to what the competitors offer. Although some NES games are good, most are quick throw away titles, in comparison, Xbox has 4 free games every month, and PC allows you to play online for free...

Gaming is a worldwide market you absolute tard, just because one country is used to garbage it's not an excuse to sell garbage to the rest of the world

This
If y’all really had a problem with it you would’ve stopped it back in 2004 with Xbox live

>literally just repeating what im saying
Looks like ive won this argument, have fun coping user

The Switch is supposed to have like a gold membership through the online stuff, getting games cheaper. But I have yet to see it happen because of it.

This is as bad as sony drones saying the monthly PS+ games are "free".

You are essentially paying for the work done, not how much fidelity the graphics have.

How would they have stopped it exactly?

They are all shit but Nintendos is especially egregious even with the lower price tag.

Like you do with most consumer items. You stop paying/buying it.

prove it fucking retard. Nintendo is always the best at everything. Just cuz their online isn't perfect doesn't mean its better because it is. Also 20 dollars for a who year is a bargain so fuck off with ur 10 dollars a month bs.

But they were never paying for it to begin with? Sony's and Nintendo's online were free back in 2004 and stayed free for years.

I love Xbox Live though. It may be annoying, but at least the service works in comparison to the competitors (though Games for Windows LIVE was a HUGE mistake...) Not to mention MK Deception online with a stable connection was great when I was just a little kid (better than the PS2 version.)

>They are all shit but Nintendos is especially egregious even with the lower price tag.
They are all shit no matter price tag included and all.
There is no worse nor better. You are deliberately paying an extra fee apart from your ISP to play your games.

>literally doing the same thing I'm doing
Looks like you've lost this argument. Have fun coping

Sony in particular handled it really well by riding on Xbone's massive fuck up. I still remember how everyone was going on about OOOH WE CAN PLAY USED GAMES SUCK IT XBOTS! and completely ignoring the fact that they said PS+ was required to play online now. I was in complete disbelief at how retarded people were being.

They said literally at the beginning
“Heads up we’ve caved to the paid online jews so be prepared”

For years Nintendo fans touted free online as a selling point to their consoles. It was the one advantage the Wii U actually had. So now that all those fans suddenly want to double back and say "it's fine since it's only half the price of X" even though it has about 1/10th of the features of their competitors online services is just sad.
FFS it doesn't even have voice chat, it was designed with just commuting nips in mind and no one else.

People paid for xbox live. Sony and Nintendo saw an opportunity. Sony jumped on the ship earlier than Nintendo. Nintendo followed on later.
The adoption of corporal recipes can be a slow process when you check how deep the water is.

>FFS it doesn't even have voice chat
It has, but through their dumb app.

The way Smash was handled at launch was so fucking unacceptable... it's 3 games in! And they still could not connect you to someone who also wanted to play in a similar fashion... with a smooth connection. Really soured Nintendo Switch Online for me.

The Switch is going to be dead in two years anyway

Xbox live was the same bullshit Nintendo's online is now, and more expensive.

It's not on the console itself so it actually doesn't count, that's like saying the Ouya has voice chat because I can just use Discord.

I will admit I did love Xbox live too despite my 1st experience with it was someone yelling
“SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU LITTLE SHIT!” In my headset
considering how much I play online 20$ is chump change

I never disagreed with you.

considering how much I play online 70$ is chump change

If you use an ethernet adapter, the online service is fine as long as you're not playing against someone using four gens old router.

Yes, however user's argument doesn't make sense unless he's implying everyone who cares about it being paid were paying for xbox live.

Except it had voice chat figured out 15 years ago, actually gives out free games (of varying quality) and has actual dedicated servers for stable online. It may not be worth $50 ($40 if you're not a retard and just buy a code on black Friday every year), but Nintendos sure as shit aint worth $20

prove it, post a $70 amazon gift code right now

The console doesn't come with an Ethernet adapter so most people don't use one.

Why should I? I'm only here to laugh at poor people

Looks like $70 isn't chump change to you.

It is though. Doesn't mean I'm going to hand it out to you poor fuckers.

So what would you guys think of the service when they add SNES games?

>Except it had voice chat figured out 15 years ago
It didn't have cloud saves which even Nintendo managed.
>actually gives out free games (of varying quality)
Only a decade later, because their competitor was "giving" out "free" games even before they charged for online play.
>and has actual dedicated servers for stable online.
Only for a minority of games, and they didn't offer any dedicated servers up until Gears 2 came out on the 360.
>It may not be worth $50 ($40 if you're not a retard and just buy a code on black Friday every year
They increased it to $60, and even before that it's still more than 2x as much as Nintendo's.

Nintendo Online is a fucking mess but Xbox Live was the same bullshit for most of its existence.

You mean how a lot of people are suddenly going to be OK with it, right?

I think they will use it as an excuse to increase the price.

My point was that it has more to do with hardware limitation rather than the online service, although Nintendo isn't the best either.
I've had issues with all the consoles though, except for Xbone since I don't see the point in owning one.

It isn't and you proved it. Heck, donate $70 to some charity or something with proof to show that it's really chump change. Just prove you can throw away $70.

>going to be
Oh user.

why should I? I'm enjoying the cope

Isn't it more than 10x if you go with the family plan with some of your friends/family?

Yeah that's the point.

I don't see it anytime soon since Nintendo has to be kid friendly with the prices.

What's the point if I can emulate all the games myself rather then play the 20 select games they pick for their shit service

>kid friendly
Kids get their parents to buy it and there are more 25-35 year old Switch owners than every younger demographic combined according to Nintendo's published stats.

Nintendo literally gets free defense forces because their price is cheaper than the competition, they're not gonna raise the price.

Sad attempt at damage control. Next time don't act like using mommy's credit card makes you a big deal, kid.

Only one damage controlling here is you. Cope.

I never said they would raise it as high as their competition. Sony's and Microsoft's paid online are currently 3x as much as Nintendo's and Sony is beginning to raise theirs even higher.

>Live in Podunk town but still have Internet access
>Able to play online no problem
>Introduce paid online
>No longer able to play
>No store anywhere near here sells online codes

Their online multiplayer service hasn't been improved since the 3DS and the hardware limitation is 100% on Nintendo. It would have cost them nothing to include an Ethernet adapter on the Switch dock.

Then shut up already because you're not the target audience.

The lite is gonna sell loads this Christmas because of Pokemon and Animal crossing next year. There's your kid demographic.

They probably can't even with the inclusion of snes games. They're in the trying to get people into the service face and the current offering is still shit. Now if they offer an MMORPG game as part of online Nintendo then maybe we'll take.

>Nintendo is always the best at everything
Just stopping by from the front page to laugh at you.

seething

>They probably can't
There's is basically nothing stopping them. You don't have any other options if you want to play Switch games online without hacking it

You are comparing 2004 Xbox live in order to justify 2019 Switch online. Think about that for a second and realize why everyone else except you drones are laughing at this joke of a service

Works fine for me. WHats the problem OP

Kids have disposable income because of their parents, same reason why kids with PS4 or Xbox still play online.

>in order to justify 2019 Switch online

The post you're replying to explicitly states Nintendo Online is a fucking mess. You are beyond pathetic.

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Still coping I see.

Admit it Yea Forums, you guys are the ones dislike bombing the Youtube videos.

I mean current adoption rate is poor and they're trying had to get people into the service not to mention how shit the current offering is. it's gonna be years before they increase the price.

seething

what? Who? Where?

concede

I accept your concession.

>using the term "Dislike Bomb"

leave

Even if he's agreeing on that point, comparing a 2004 internet service to one in 2019 is beyond retarded. Practice basic reading comprehension.

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cope faggot

...

retard

Cope.

>Paid extra money for a code
>"free"

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kys

As long as games like Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Smash, Mario Kart etc require it for online play they will have no trouble raising the price. Half the point of the sub model for companies is that they can raise the price and increase profits much more easily compared to raising the price on consoles and games.

Cope.

Read cheap papers, get cheap stories.

dumb mutt

Cope.

concede

Cope.

concede

Cope.

I remember going to my friends house for a 360 LAN party and my xbox couldnt connect because i wasnt subscribed to xbox live gold.
imagine actually defending business practices like that.
imagine actually thinking that paying for peer to peer connections is justified.
try to get into the mindset of someone that thinks this is fine. it's probably someone that thinks giving money to streamers is cool.

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concede

Cope.

Parties are free functionality though? At least I've been able to use them no prob. Me and my brother don't have ps+ because the "free" games are usually trash and we pretty much play only single players games on that console.

On the playstation you can at least back up your saves on an usb stick, if you don't want to pay for the cloud saves. On my switch I'd have to cough up the dollars, and it's a portable/home console so I'm more likely to break it while commuting.

We're allowed to say "review bomb". I-I didn't know what else to call it.

>no response
kek

concede

Take your own advice since you accused that post of trying to justify Switch online despite it literally being called shit.

Saying "I love Xbox Live" in a thread about paid online is beyond retarded, especially when it was just as if not an even shitter "service" for the majority of its existence than the one in 2019, and at a higher price.

Now hold that award.

But the Joycons DO work just fine. It’s just dumbasses on Yea Forums trying to slander Nintendo by breaking them. Just cause they aren’t the standard controller doesn’t mean they’re faulty.

Cope.

So people just want something for their money basically? They can release NES/SNES games monthly, there ya go nintendies.

concede

But the Xbox 360 DOES work just fine. It’s just dumbasses on Yea Forums trying to slander Microsoft by breaking them. Just cause they aren’t the standard green color lights doesn’t mean they’re faulty.

Cope.

they are absolutely poorly made and easy to break compared to the controllers of old. This was never a problem with any of the others.

There is no defense for it. I still got it because I only got a Switch for Smash and Monhan. At least I got a full group of friends signed on for a family account, $5 a year is whatever. It's not like the majority is going to boycott it.

youtube.com/watch?v=6MYAGyZlBY0
>I see you bought Switch Online.
>ya i used jons credit card
>Who's Jon?
>teh human taht lives here w/ meh
>I see. Do you think the online was worth twenty dollars?
>ya. who dusnt hav tw3nty dol3rz? i wipe my ass w/ 20 dol3rz!1
>That's not what I asked. I asked if you thought that the online was worth it.
>i dun undrst4nd teh difrense
>I didn't think so. Personally, I don't think the online worth twenty dollars.
>y
>Mario Kart and Splatoon just don't appeal to me very much gameplay-wise, so really, if I paid the twenty dollars, all I'd probably be doing is messing around in Smash, which doesn't really seem worth a third of the game's retail price to me. And the NES "online" idea sounds like something that should have shipped with the game to begin with, considering the Wii already experimented with Virtual Console, not enough of which were post-4th gen, and the Wii U had, like, N64 and above. You can argue that Wii U's Virtual Console library is built off of the Wii's, so there aren't as many "new" games and you could say Nintendo "cut corners" in that respect, but it doesn't detract from the amount of options you have as soon as you buy the console. My point is that I don't really think the online features are worth it. The online should have been a freebie, in my opinion.
>taht wuz quit3 a mouthful!!1 i gess ur used 2 that kind of thign
>Nice one! I see what you did there. Instead of addressing my points, you took everything that I said and turned it into a sexual joke, implying that I suck men's penises. Fantastic.
>LOLOLLOLOLLOLOL
>"LOL" indeed.
>w/e ur just 2 p00r 2 affoerd teh onlien
>It's not a competition about who has the most money, you fucking idiot. It's about a personal sense of worth. But I guess that's a concept that's too complex for your hopeless, juvenile, idiotic brain to understand.
>
>
>hahhahahhah ur p00r u cant affoerd stuff
>Sigh.

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Why can't they do that without putting online multiplayer behind a paywall? Yeah no shit people want their money's worth, if you start charging for online multiplayer people are going to rightfully expect better online multiplayer than the one you offered for free.

This is exactly what I was saying when sony did it and it's what I'll continue to say while nintendo does it.

microsoft actually had servers in 2004, that's why the halo 2 servers shutting down was a thing while nintendo is p2p shit 15 years later

I paid like $4 for a yearly sub because I went in with a group of friends. Haven't really thought about it since.

The online service amd my nintendo are a complete letdown.

>microsoft actually had servers in 2004

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They should've just put Miiverse on the Switch.

We don't know how they manage their money so how can we know if they are using it to improve the online or just use it to improve other things within the company, or use the money as a way to get new projects. Does the online need improving? How can they improve it?

XBL is literally a paid p2p matchmaking service you moronic drone, they shut down support for the original Xbox due to limitations/compatibility.

>Because if you pay for Sony and MS's online you're still getting a fucking great service.
Sony's servers are fucking garbage. If you consider them a great service your a fucking faggot and your opinions are fucking shit.

considering how much I play online 120$ is chump change

I love how I can go back and play >wiiu games and 3ds games online for free

Play your WiiU then.

The Switch's Online is the same, except it has a sub fee for some reason.

I'm personally paying $20 a year for NES games, Tetris 99 (and whatever free games they decide to add in the future), $20 off every other first party game that I buy, and the good faith that they wont add microtransaction currencies to their games, (which they haven't yet). It's a good deal to me.

From what I understand, the whole "no dedicated servers" thing is bunk. Mario Maker obviously uses dedicated servers to host levels. Splatoon has features that would necessitate the use of dedicated servers. I'm pretty sure all of their games use dedicated servers for certain things but stick to P2P once a match has started. P2P isn't inherently bad and tons of high profile games still use.

Nintendo is just ass at writing netcode. Raising the price of the service or hosting matches themselves isn't going to fix that.

>and the good faith that they wont add microtransaction currencies to their games
kek
>From what I understand, the whole "no dedicated servers" thing is bunk. Mario Maker obviously uses dedicated servers to host levels
top kek

Surprisingly well made.

Keep in mind fire emblem gatcha makes more than enough money to fund all of their servers for years
Uhh, also everything is p2p so fuck that

>I have this and I'm still not sure what it is exactly that I paid for

For online multiplayer, which is bullshit on it's own.

If you got it for the old games, you're a total retard.

How about not throwing them all over the place dumbass! Ever thought about that?

>stick drift only happens when you throw controllers

sony is neither but not entirely 0% on both

I was forced to buy it in order to share my Mario Maker levels; something which I did for free with the Wii U version of the game.

Look, I don’t have stick drift on my Joycons and I have a Pro Controller. I do not understand why people shit on the Joycons when the latter option is always available?

>BUT WHY SHOULD I PAY MONEY FOR A BETTER CONTROLLER!?

Cause you keep complaining about the Joycons...?

Nice elaborate copypasta

>game console comes with shitty controllers
>why are you upset you need to pay more to get good ones?

lets recap some shit

xbox live cost a fee. what did you get with it. you got active friends list, cross-game joining, cross-game voice chat, stored messaging service including recorded audio. So basically discord before discord existed, built into the console.

PSN cost money and what did you get. same shit.

Wii online didn't cost money. Why? Cause all those features didn't exist on wii. Only a handful of games offered voice chat or in-fact ANY meaningful way to communicate with other players online, there were no friends lists, there were no integrated easy ways to make friends online or add online players to your friends list -- completely bare bones shit.
DS online was the same.
3DS online finally added the ability to easily add friends through online multiplayer, but still lacked all communication means and was still built upon friend codes.
Wii-U online was much of the same.
Switch online is also much of the same, and still hasn't come close to matching the original xbox live or psn.

But what do xbox live and psn get you in 2019?
They get you free games, video sharing, the whole works. You get an entire multimedia socialmedia service out of that shit.

Switch online is no different than Wii U online or 3DS online or DS online or Wii online, so like shit -- why does it suddenly cost money? They haven't improved the service any to warrant it.

>xbox live cost a fee. what did you get with it. you got active friends list, cross-game joining, cross-game voice chat, stored messaging service including recorded audio. So basically discord before discord existed, built into the console.

PC had the exact same thing and it didn't have a fee for it. Xbox Live didn't even have party chat until well into the 360. Most of the online features of PSN and Xbox Live like video sharing and social media bullshit aren't part of the paid service outside of online multiplayer and "free" games. Switch Online is basically the same as Xbox Live when it first started, except with worse social features in exchange for cloud saves.

None of this is a defense for Switch Online, but paid online on consoles has always been bullshit.

What games besides Monster Hunter Ultimate on the switch even allow you to communicate with online players. The switch doesn't even have a microphone.

This shit is literally worse than the original xbox live from 2002.

Does the shitch even have multiplayer games besides smash and Kart? Not even a rudimentary generic fps.

The only thing OG Xbox Live had over Switch Online was voice chat and messaging, which weren't worth paying for anyway. It also cost more than twice as much as Switch online and didn't have cloud saves.

>From what I understand
everything you wrote after that shows that you understand absolutely fucking nothing.
always amazes me how the people that know the least are often the most vocal.

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>N-NINTENDOOMED! IT'S GONNA HAPPEN THIS TIME I SWEAR!

This right here you really don't know how badly you miss something till its gone.

You're right, there's no defense for it.
But on the opposite hand, there doesn't need to be any defense. Nintendo knows that they can do almost anything and people will still buy it, even after colossal failures such as the Wii U and LABO. They can pull this shit without basically any repercussions because its fanbase gives them quite enough room for them to brush everything off.

Cope

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Happened with the Wii U

If you are poor.

Splatoon and Splatoon 2 are perfect examples of how they fuck over the rest of the world. Some gear are locked behind a Japanese copy of the game.

And there are no western equivalents which would have been fine. You give the Japanese some shit they can only get at least give the rest of the world something only they can have.

They aren’t shitty. You assholes break them and aren’t fucking careful. Stop treating your controllers like stress balls.

There is never a defense for paying to play video games online, its just bullshit and everyone should hate that its become standard practice. The fact that nintendo's online in 2019 still has crap like friend codes and no voice chat is laughable. They haven't improved it at all since the Wii and are now charging people money because why would they not just get free money from people? People are going to pay it to play their games online.

>company has controllers famous for durability
>now they're flimsy as hell and this is something people should just accept

but you also have to pay for books

Because the Switch is totally a repeat of the Wii U

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Accountability. A small bit of change to remind you that you're not anonymous.

Yea Forums pass is like $15-20 a year or something. But if you get banned for life, it's gone. Because it's tied to the ban and your IP at the time. It's not expensive, but enough to remind you to not be an asshole and do anything that blatantly violates the major rules.

I vision Nintendo Switch Online is the same idea.

The only people that defend it are shills.

hey I remember this exact thread from the 360 days! and then when PSN+ became a thing!

funny how history repeats itself

>Know that the Joycons are delicate and can break unless you take care of them, like you would any other controller
>Break them due to throwing them like a caveman
>“NINTENDO FUCKING SUCKS WHY AREN’T THESE CONTROLLERS INDESTRUCTIBLE THIS IS THEIR FAULT!”

>still have shit friend code sysyem
Nothing wrong with it. I guess they could do QR codes but they exhausted their camera supply on 3DS.
>voice chat needs a damn phone
Good, fuck voice chat.
>no messaging system
Ah, I love being called a faggot, or a filthy gaijin that should vacate Splatoon.
>free games are just damn ROMs
Nobody plays them regardless.
>online games still have connectivity issues
Do you have DSL? I got proper internet and set up my router right and now only people around me disconnect.