Have you ever been stuck in the first level of a game?

The difficulty curve for this is fucking bullshit desu

no you have to satisfy all needs of the previous levels to focus on the next ones

Sex is not a physiological need. Don't appeal to the incel sob-stories.

False analogy. Those are purely synonyms. Sex is not the same thing as procreation. One describes the act itself, the other describes the purpose. You can have sex without procreation.

procreation is not a physiological need though

Uhh yes it is. Without it, humanity dies.

There is no mandatory biological impetus for procreation, like so with hunger/hydration/etc.

humanity is not a physical body

Creating new humans is essential for continuing life. Equally as important as food, water or air.

Humanity is comprised of humans, all of which have physical bodies

are you actually this retarded?

it is, but your body gives you signals to have sex, not to specifically procreate

sex should be in the other two areas, it's not a fucking necessity like breathing and food. God, Maslow was a fucking retard

Sex is, though. Individuals require it in order to fulfill the collective need of survival.

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The purpose of the chart isn't to show what's necessary to live but how the body prioritizes its needs. If you aren't having sex you will subconsciously prioritize having sex over all other things on the levels above it, and if you can't succeed it'll cause serious mental damage.

yeah but not the other way around. the body doesn't care what the sex is for

Stop responding to it. It's just shitposting.

he's right, that's a retarded argument, you don't die if you're infertile or if you don't have sex, you die if you don't eat food, it's not nearly the same
if anything procration should be at self fulfillment

im just bored lol, let him have it

nigger the human race would be extinct without procreation, it is clearly a human need.

>I'll just cherrypick one specific interpretation of a word to prove my point
No ordinary person thinks of breeding as the first thing when they hear the word sex. I know you and I are a weird bunch who can't enjoy ourselves, but that is the exception.

>serious mental damage

If I'm a virgin can I use that as an excuse to collect disability and just pay video games all day.

That literally only counts for cumbrains. There are plenty of people that never had sex because its not a priority for them, they don't care about it. Porn could be to blame for this however.

If you hate something without actually knowing why then you're still ignoring the facts.

Nope, the state weaponizes this need by trying to convince you getting a job and paying taxes are the correct route to having it fulfilled. You're not getting gibs off it.

>No ordinary person thinks of breeding as the first thing when they hear the word sex.
Dude

>hydrogen dioxide

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> collective need of survival
vague and meaningless, space exploration would a collective need of survival because this solar system will die at some point, you still won't die if you don't build a spaceship
not to mention that good chances if you're building a spaceship then you're not spending a lot of time procreating, even though you're working for the survival of mankind
it's all vague, situational and ambiguous, the only thing that's actually objectively measurable is whether your life functions cease due to the lack of an activity or not, and they don't cease just for the lack of procreation

The pyramid should be viewed from the perspective of a society. Take away food from a country? They will die out within days. Take away sex (somehow) from a country? They will die out within a century.

What if I paint my skin black. Will they give it to me then?

>hydrogen dioxide.
are you american by chance?

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???

>arguing over dumb shit
the real crime is sexual intimacy being over sex

my bad, dihydrogen monoxide
or some shit like that

>mfw Yea Forums is so buttblasted over lack of sex that they can't even understand that it is a base need

Christ, you guys really are stuck on the first level.

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Are you contending with that? People are stupid and have sex for the enjoyment in spite of the profound consequences. You gotta be a virgin or an academic if sex makes you think of children before it makes you think of pleasure.

you're blurring the idea of what a "human need" is, a need that a human requires or a need that mankind requires and the same applies as here
the need of what a human requires is objective and simple, what mankind requires is vague and situational
not to mention that in some cases procreation is detrimental to survival, if you need to control the population due to the lack of resources then mindlessly shitting out babies just gonna hurt the community's chances of survival
society is happy with you working 12 hours a day in a factory and dying at 30 while others don't work at all and have 20 children because the division of roles is more efficient than one person doing everything to a lesser efficiency
but that's not satisfying for the person because you find fulfillment in doing every aspect of life

you don't die if you don't have sex so it's not a base need

Again that’s not what the pyramid is.

>you're blurring the idea of what a "human need" is, a need that a human requires or a need that mankind requires and the same applies as here
no you retard the chart is about human society, it's not about only 1 human (i.e. yourself), and procreation (what is meant by "sex" on the chart) is a necessity for all human life.

Driver (PS1)

Runnin' through these hoes like I'm Alek Minassian
Hoppin' in the whip and I'm motherfuckin' crashin' it
Up over the curb like I'm Alek Minassian
Hoes suck my dick while I run over pedestrians

I smoke angel dust
I dont give a fuck
Steal an armored truck
See a crowd
I'm speeding up
I dont feel no love
But I feel the drugs
Crash the whip into the precinct
And get filled with slugs
I just wanna kill so many fuckin' people
Demon up inside my brain
It make me do evil
This the grand finale bitch
Won't be no sequel
Ride my dick
I cum inside
While I do a homicide

Runnin' through these hoes like I'm Alek Minassian
Hoppin' in the whip and I'm motherfuckin' crashin' it
Up over the curb like I'm Alek Minassian
Hoes suck my dick while I run over pedestrians

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>Maslow's hierarchy of needs is often portrayed in the shape of a pyramid with the largest, most fundamental needs at the bottom and the need for self-actualization and transcendence at the top. In other words, the crux of the theory is that individuals’ most basic needs must be met before they become motivated to achieve higher level needs.
it is the individual's needs, fucking retard
if it was society's needs then it would be completely different because again
society is happy with you working 12 hours a day in a factory and dying at 30 while others don't work at all and have 20 children because the division of roles is more efficient than one person doing everything to a lesser efficiency
but that's not satisfying for the person because you find fulfillment in doing every aspect of life

[citation needed]

Yea Forums's retardation sure shows up in this thread. They cannot comprehend the notion of contrasting collectivism with individualism. The pyramid obviously doesn't make sense with the latter, but it does with the former.

>society's needs

Sex is necessary for the continuation of a species, not a society. I'm really not sure why you are even trying to debate this.

>society is happy with you working 12 hours a day in a factory and dying at 30 while others don't work at all and have 20 children because the division of roles is more efficient than one person doing everything to a lesser efficiency
Yeah, no, that's what a dictator or a bureaucrat thinks. Society doesn't benefit from having miserable citizens. Ideally, everyone should be able to achieve self-actualization.

op's picture is literally
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go googles maslow's hierarchy then you mouthbreathing poltard, it has nothing to do with society or "collective survival" or any other teleologist /pol/ gibberish that you guys love
again, that completely depends on the situation and is vague at best, there's no objective proof that you die if you don't have sex

How new are you to have never seen this? Goddamn you literal underage kids don't even bother trying to hide yourselves

wtf is HO2

how is anything I said even remotely /pol/?
the fuck?

as with most things i lose interest past the sequel

>Society doesn't benefit from having miserable citizens
yes it does, you're living in some fairy tale socialist utopia if you think society can operate on an "everyone's happy ever after :)" childish fantasy
you're caught in a fallacy if you think that being happy is relevant to mankind's survival, whether you're miserable or happy you're fulfilling a role in society and there'll always be miserable people because society needs miserable people
>le survival of le race le procration is your goal in life xd
that's the retarded /pol/ mantra that those reddit tourist children always spout

>that's the retarded /pol/ mantra that those reddit tourist children always spout
you sound fucking absurd right now, how is procreation not a human need? Why else do you think it's on this chart?
Also, I never even said that procreation is your "goal in life", you colossal projecting faggot.

>society needs miserable people
Hypercapitalist nonsense. Assignment of roles doesn't necessitate misery. You're just a sadist.

>not sequence breaking
Check out this casual.

>again, that completely depends on the situation and is vague at best, there's no objective proof that you die if you don't have sex

Are the physiological aspects really meant to represent things that will kill you if you don't do them? I'm pretty sure they're meant to represent the most basic elements that drive human action.

It sounds to me like you are trying to make it seem like it's "ok" for people not to have sex, which it most definitely is. This doesn't change the fact that it still plays a major influential role in the actions that people take, consciously or unconsciously.

this thread is literally incels not having sex.

that's exactly what OP wanted

and the chart is supposed to be a dogma now? we're exactly arguing that sex isn't a basic need so it shouldn't be at the bottom
and no procreation still isn't a human need, it's a function
try any system and there'll be miserable people because there needs to be miserable people, roles need to be assigned, and there's the role of miserable people that need people to fill them
sorry to break your cotton candy fantasy but there's no noble goals to work for, everything is a cog in the machine
sex isn't necessarily a basic element to drive human action, you can be asexual and still live an active life, you can't be a non-breather and live an active life for more than a couple of minutes
it can take a role, but not on the same level as food or air

>procreation still isn't a human need, it's a function
u wot

/thread

It's actually quite ironic that this thread is getting as much attention as it is in spite of people desperately trying to claim that sex isn't a basic need.

>Are the physiological aspects really meant to represent things that will kill you if you don't do them?
>physiological (adj.): relating to the way in which a living organism or bodily part functions
Yes. A physiological need is one that's necessary for an organism to stay alive.

>this thread
>you will LITERALLY CEASE ALL CONSCIOUS FUNCTIONING IF YOU DO NOT ENGAGE IN SEXUAL INTERCOURSE

humans can procreate but they don't need to, they need to eat and breathe though
it isn't a basic need, regardless of incels and what not your argument is simply flawed and nonsensical

>flawed and nonsensical

Just like the idea that sex isn't a basic human need.

>humans can procreate but they don't need to

>you're caught in a fallacy if you think that being happy is relevant to mankind's survival
You're deviating from the pyramid. If survival were all that mattered, you would only need the first two layers. Obviously, there is more to life than survival. You're also conflating hypothetical discourse with reality. Of course we don't live in a utopia, but that doesn't stop us from modelling and imagining one.

a single human does not NEED to procreate like it NEEDS to breathe
you die in minutes if you don't respirate in some form, you don't die in any amount of time if you don't fuck

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Tfw Yea Forums is the best place to discuss non-vidya topics.

You die on the inside, user.

>a single human does not NEED to procreate

try arguing it then
I'm not the one that started talking about society and "collective survival", that deviates from the maslow pyramid in a heartbeat and that chart isn't supposed to be taken literally, it's just the general idea that you need to take care of your base needs before you can start thinking about self actualisation, which even the Buddha said, "a man can't meditate with an empty stomach" after all
nobody was talking about modeling an utopia, we're talking about the reality here, and currently our race functions with a pretty good system, it sucks for some people but hey it sucks to be the cells in someone's anus, being a brain cell is much better, but that's just how it is, trying to make every cell into a brain cell wouldn't be a good idea for your body

Sex and reproduction, in biology, is a critical aspect of what defines the most basic aspects of how a species continues to exist.

Just because you faggots don't want to accept that sex is widely considered to be a physiological need doesn't mean it isn't true.

we're all dying on the inside user, regardless of how much we fuck also checked god bless
both the second half of that post and THAT VERY SENTENCE were actually important for comprehending my point faggo, try reading more than a few words if that's something you can manage

obsessed

shitty teleological fallacies again, biology long moved past of retarded ideas like that

Successful procreation is in the love/belonging column as family. Sex is a physiological need. Reminder that sex without sexual intimacy is very rarely a good sex.

yikes
stop getting angry at things that dont matter

>sucks to be the cells in someone's anus
>being a brain cell is much better

Fucking kek, how do you figure?? All that time you spent trying to form a coherent argument to support your insecure perspective of existence just fell apart right there you stupid twat.

>species
The hierarchy of needs isn't concerned with a species, it's concerned with an individual. It's also not generalised to any other species, it's concerned specifically with an individual human being.

if you aren't having sex the body gradually shuts down

And those people are always weird in some way.

>adding sex to the bottom and putting "sexual" in front of intimacy

what did OP mean by his obsession around having sex

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right back at you
you don't have to be covered in shit and die with an asswipe, as a brain cell you're in absolute safety with having priority on every nutrient
but throw more ad hominems at me, that'll make you seem less retarded, not

>if you aren't having sex the body gradually shuts down

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Retarded image desu, you won't die from lack of sex

oof

Don't have sex

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cope

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Being covered in shit and dying is the same thing as having priority on every nutrient.

Prove me wrong.

The collectiveness is applicable to the entire pyramid. Yes, you as an individual desire to reach the peak, but so does a good-willing collective conciousness.
Maybe you don't care about the quality of life of other people beyond their presence among the living, but this pyramid isn't about what one person thinks.
>nobody was talking about modeling an utopia, we're talking about the reality here
The reality is that we are barely keeping ourselves alive in some parts of the world. That doesn't stop us from talking about what it would be like if that were not the case. Stop thinking like a farmer who only sees reality ahead of him, that's not useful for debating.

>brainlets trying to argue that procreation is a physiological need

Anyone who has reached young adulthood without human intimacy can attest that it's a need, not a want. Our whole reward system is built around it. When we don't get human touch, life in general doesn't feel worth living, so we sink deeply into helpless depression. Now the lack of intimacy is impinging on our basic needs (food, water, shelter, clothing, sleep,) so you how can you categorize it as anything but a basic need?

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wrong, you can learn to live with the pain.

whereas without food you just die

it's pretty well known that castrated animals live longer, all the stress that hormones put on your body take away from your lifespan
>but so does a good-willing collective conciousness
no it doesn't, again fairy tale socialist utopias
society and mankind in general needs a lot of people to eat shit to function and that will never chance because it's ingrained into humanity
every utopia will fail because it's a pipe dream made by people who don't understand how the world works
the reality is that we cann ourselves alive in every part of the world with the same systems, there are happy and miserable people in rich countries and there are happy and miserable people in poor countries
and you should stop thinking like a hippie college student, or not, it doesn't make a difference, the world will never change how it operates, we would have to stop being humans for that to happen

What do you say to the numerous people who killed themselves out of loneliness? It's the #1 cause of suicide. Without intimacy they just died - is it really different from food?

thats not what a physiological need is dumbass
sex doesn't really belong there, sex is a physiological function but it's not a need

you wouldn't live to young adulthood if it was a need not a want

Saying "No! That's wrong" isn't an argument.

ITT: Autists arguing about psychology

>I can't get what I want so I'll kill myself
so it's a want, not a need

Why? If the absence of something kills you slowly, it is still a need. You will live to young adulthood without certain vitamins, then die quickly as an adult - is the vitamin in question a "want" rather than a need, merely because it kills slowly? Of course not.

im not going to google physiological for you
it's what an organism needs, biologically, to stay alive

Needing sex is for incel faggots!

> so you how can you categorize it as anything but a basic need?
By putting it higher on the pyramid of thjngs that are also considered needs but not physiclogical since it isnt one.

Suicide is not a human choice, because human choices don't really exist. If someone kills themself it's because the forces acting on them made it inevitable.

Brain function is physiological. There is no magical soul, just a tomb of neurons exchanging electrons.

If everyone stops procreating this very instance the human organism is going to die out.

>again fairy tale socialist utopias
What is it about the hypothetical that you don't understand? We don't live in a utopia because of our limited resources and information.
It's quite possible and probably extremely likely that we will never have a utopia, but that has zero to do with our desire, our desire to improve ourselves and society. The first step of every action, possible or not, is to think about it first, which is the whole point of this pyramid's existance.

>sexual intimacy at 3rd level aka love/belonging needs but sex at physiological needs
how does this shit make sense at all? you need sexual intimacy before sex

is this hierarchy advocating for rape?

>i can live for 3 days without water
>i can live for 3 weeks without food
>i can live for 3 decades without sex

B-b-b-b-b-but....

humanity isn't an organism, it's a species

it's your decision if you kill yourself, whatever the cause is irrelevant because it's just your subjective decision, at that point having a lamborghini would be a base need because someone killed himself for not having one
that whole vitamin deficiency argument seems pretty vague to me but even then it literally kills you, you don't kill yourself thinking "oh I don't have enough vitamins so I'll kill myself :("

Water is not a need. You can live several days without it, but without air you die in just a few seconds. Air is our only REAL need

Because you biologically feel the desire to have sex with or without intimacy

Procreation matters incredibly because it is the single source of need which we then work to fulfill endlessly with no end goal aside from death. It has no other purpose but to perpetuate need.

>it's your decision if you kill yourself, whatever the cause is irrelevant because it's just your subjective decision,
There is no such thing as a decision. A "decision" is an electron transiting a synapse. You cannot affect the path of the electron. You possess no inviolate, magical soul with which to do so. The momentum of the electron carried it here.

If there is no human organism anymore there is no humanity either, if there is no humanity there is no human organism, all but the same user.

it is true

>3 decades
If it's only 3 decades then explain how wizards exist, smartass.

>>i can live for 3 days without water
>i can live for 3 weeks without food
Then afterwards you will die since your body needs these to continue to function whereas
>>i can live for 3 decades without sex
can continue indefinitely.

are you really so retarded you can't distinguish the difference between one thing and a collection of things

ratatouille for the gamecube i always got stuck in the whirlpools

Wouldn't pain be a need since you'd die without it VERY quickly as well?

Your mistake is thinking of human thoughts as something separate and distinct from the rest of the physical phenomena of the universe. We react predictably. When we don't get touched by others, it turns out the reactions are pretty bad.

> human choices don't really exist
and what forces are making you shitpost on an anime website then?
even if we had unlimited resources and information we still wouldn't create an "utopia" where everyone is happy because that's not the way mankind functions, that's what you don't understand
again that's being caught in a fallacy, you think happiness has any relevance other than being a carrot on a stick, it is meaningless on a larger scale

You have to take it in context of what I said you mongoloid. I'm not saying it is the same, but without any human organism on this world there is no humanity either, really not that hard to understand.

but you can't go through the process if you don't feel intimidate with another person

>it is true
>source(s): just trust me you dumb fuck

you can
have you ever seen animals breed
you can masturbate too

Wow you really are retarded lol

The needs of the individual are not the needs of the collective, the individual does not need to reproduce to survive

uh dude its called salt

what a shitty strawman, then again, what electrons are forcing you to shitpost here right now if not your personal will?
at that point that's just an argument of peer pressure and it's effect on mental health, nothing to do with physiological needs

Yes but the lack of humanity doesn't matter at all. If all people alive today survived as long as they could yet humanity died out because none of them procreated that still wouldn't be an issue of individual survival.

>and what forces are making you shitpost on an anime website then?
The momentum of everything. It just happened that way. Even if there are random elements to the universe (electron valence randomness, etc.) I still have absolutely no way to affect the path of the electron.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that you can't minimize the suffering of others by saying that they just choose to suffer or whatever. It doesn't work like that. Only things that can happen do happen, and if someone is suffering, there is no way around it.

I'm stuck on Nier: Automata. Fuck the second encounter with the first boss.

Verse 44 of the Tao Te Ching:

Fame or integrity: which is more important?
Money or happiness: which is more valuable?
Success or failure: which is more destructive?

If you look to others for fulfillment,
you will never truly be fulfilled.
If your happiness depends on money,
you will never be happy with yourself.

Be content with what you have;
rejoice in the way things are.
When you realize there is nothing lacking,
the whole world belongs to you.

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I'm not going to keel over from getting blueballed. It's not a need, it's a want.

sex in animals is not a need, just an impulse
not too different with us if you consider how many kids are accidents

>have you ever seen animals breed
yeah they fucking rape each other
>you can masturbate too
the feeling exists but it's not necessary

>look mom I can't go get a girlfriend because the momentum and the electrons are forcing me to shitpost on anime websites
lmao, what you're saying is that you're a retard

water is dihydrogen monoxide you idiot.

yeah it's not a need, the point is you can have sex without intimacy

>There is no magical soul
Prove it.

Nah, but the signals that travel to your brain are a need

>continue indefinitely
>commit suicide at the thought of this

REALLY ACTIVATES MY ALMONDS, SENPAI

How far up your own ass are you that you think you exist outside of cause and effect? You some kind of deity?

humanity surviving isn't a condition for my own survival so it doesn't matter.

>what a shitty strawman
That... is not what a strawman is. Please don't regurgitate random logical fallacies without knowing what they mean. You said it's a decision to commit suicide, I said decisions don't exist. At no point did I build a man of straw to falsely speak for you.

>what electrons are forcing you to shitpost here right now if not your personal will?

I don't understand your question really, but I think I answered it in - there is no magical, physical phenomena called "personal will".

There is no way to prove that something does not exist. The burden of proof holds that you have to prove it does exist. You got any evidence?

If only the signals are there yet they didn't make you feel pain you'd still die.

a "discussion" of procreation on 4channel does not matter

>commit suicide at the thought of never having sex
YOU'RE WEAK

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>at that point that's just an argument of peer pressure and it's effect on mental health, nothing to do with physiological needs
Humans wanting to be touched has absolutely nothing to do with peer pressure. It is a basic, human need. The brain is part of our physiology.

It matters as much as anywhere else. Just because the concentration of virgins is higher doesn't mean it's all volcels.

>That one ultra christcuck incel that really doesn't want sex to be a physical need

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>Even if we had unlimited information
That would by definition create a utopia. No, I don't simply mean that we have access to information on a whim through the internet. We're still struggling as a species to digest all the metainformation that exists. and that is, as you say, pretty much a limit of our species.
But again, what is possible in reality has little bearing on what we can imagine is possible in theory, and you need theories to get anywhere.

Like if only, maaaaaaaaan

How are you guys so fucking stupid? The chart is not “what you need to survive” it’s how the human psyche organizes its basic goals.

lipservice written by a man who wanted for nothing

keeping your kin alive is a basic psychological desire, I never said you need it to stay alive as a individual but that doesn't change the fact that it is a instinct just like eating or drinking, and if you don't "need" it you have mental problems, there are an abundant number of studies that support this. You are mixing up psychological and physical needs.

I may want to be touched, same way I get lonely, but it doesn't kill. The lack of touch does not kill. In fact you can live by yourself for ages and ages and this has been obviously proven. Needs aren't things that MIGHT kill you under the right circumstances. They just kill you.

>that one guy who cant argue and resorts to goldface instead

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the source is the chart

>>commit suicide at the thought of this
And some people don't.
> You got any evidence?
Nope but an absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

>having sex in 2019

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a "discussion" of procreation does not matter

I was unaware, it's demonstrably false in that case.

No, he's right. Still a idiot because it took him 2 tries

I never said anything else, you as an individual would survive just fine, with alot of mental problems tho.

>I may want to be touched, same way I get lonely, but it doesn't kill. The lack of touch does not kill.

The lack of touch provably does kill. Just speak to the record numbers of young men killing themselves today. The #1 cause is loneliness.

>Needs aren't things that MIGHT kill you under the right circumstances.

Some people can live without vitamin B12, but with significant health problems and impacts on happiness (much like a lack of intimacy.) Is vitamin b12 not a need anymore?

are you mixing up caring about your family with wanting to have children? not wanting to have children doesn't mean you're mentally ill. They're at different levels of need as illustrated by the chart in the OP

>Nope
Thanks for admitting defeat.

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FACT, IT WAS NEVER A PYRAMID, ALSO 0 SCIENTIFIC BASIS,

Pretty sure pure water without additional minerals would kill you if you drank it the same as regular old tap or bottled water.

>try to argue against the chart
>get told i cant do that because the chart is right
>ask why
>"the chart is right because the chart is right"
what technique can i possibly use to overcome such masterful argumentative skill??? i may have finally met my match... i have............. failed.......................

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Lack of touch does not cause significant health problems either.

I don't know what this reply chain is about, but I've been drinking distilled water every day for a decade and I'm healthy.

You get most of your minerals from food

No, obviously I don't, I'm talking about procreation all the time. By "keeping your kin alive" I mean procreation not the act of protecting and caring for them. Also the reason why sex is fun for us is first and foremost because we use it to procreate, even if you don't want to have kids it is still a instinct that is embedded in our brain, it is the very reason why ejaculating feels good.

Prejudice means judging before knowing. If you know and accept the facts, prejudice is impossible. Lack of prejudice does not mean that you can't be racist, if racism is right.

I'm not sure what you mean. Who was Laozi paying lip service to? Is it wrong for him to want for nothing?

>distilled water

calling bullshit, your cells should have exploded like yesterday

yeah I decided that I was gonna eat chili for lunch instead of chinese, worship me peons
it is a strawman, only the reductio ad absurdum type and it is a shitty fallacy
there is, but it's not magical, it's a simple function of being able to simulate possible futures and picking one, you're picking the one where you're shitposting on anime websites, there's no external force that makes you do it
nah that's absolutely just peer pressure, no one will die from "not being touched", that's just something others told you and now you live by it
I know what you meant and I still say that it wouldn't matter because humanity on an intrinsic level doesn't operate in a way that would allow your "utopia" to function
now just consider that we don't in fact have unlimited resources and information and see that it's not realistic on any level
misery and happiness are all just illusions, they're irrelevant so basing your entire system around them is silly

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>Also the reason why sex is fun for us is first and foremost because we use it to procreate
no it isnt
sex is fun even if you're sterile

>admitting defeat
But I haven't, I fundamentally disagree with your notion that a soul doesn't exist.

you will wake up at one point and realize most of these historical figures paid people to write bullshit about them

you're idolizing historical kim jong uns

That's lovely, but unless you have evidence of any kind that there is a soul, you don't have an argument. That's how the burden of proof works. You postulate that something exists, so it's up to you to prove its existence (since others cannot prove something DOES NOT exist - that's impossible without perfectly cataloging every atom of the universe)

>others cannot prove something DOES NOT exist
therefore saying "there is no magical soul" is not true

Distilled isn't dihydrogen monoxide. So heh, you got lucky, kid.

>t. too stupid to figure out the etymology of pre-judice

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prove that not having sex is healthy

>basing your entire system around them is silly
We base a lot of things around abstractions that are silly, but nonetheless of high utility.
youtube.com/watch?v=9vpqilhW9uI

Just go fuck a hooker already
Don't be stuck on level 1 all your life

Sexual intimacy is on the third level. Read the chart before posting.

This is just a semantic argument about gnosticism. We can't REALLY know anything. You don't know, for certain, that we're not jelly beans in an alien candy store, dreaming that we're humans. But we have no evidence of that, so why would we believe it? We freely will say, "No, we are not jelly beans" despite lacking evidence of it.

This is how... all human logic works. We rule out things we have no evidence of. Like there being a soul.

I don't want STDs

no nigger
YOU made the claim that not having sex, and i quote, makes the body shut down
YOU prove your stance

Use a condom. It still counts.

have sex

>We rule out things we have no evidence of. Like there being a soul.
there's "evidence", just no proof

i'd say based jennyposter but you cropped jenny out

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What is the evidence?

abstractions are pretty vital though, the computer you're using operates on abstractions, it doesn't operate on happiness though, that's meaningless and at best serve as a distraction
don't try to blurry the line between what's abstract and what's an emotion or you gonna just run into even more dead end fallacies than you already do

Being sterile doesn't stop you from having an orgasm, you're body still provides you with the biological components to make you have fun with it. And do you know why nature made it so that a orgasm feels good?

lol I am at the safety level and feel good

once again you are confusing the individual with the collective

No, once again I'm telling you I don't.

Once again you are eating ass and being a fag

>no one in the thread knows what self actualization is they just see this as a list of survival items

>This is how... all human logic works. We rule out things we have no evidence of. Like there being a soul.
Human logic varies between person to person. I have plenty of anecdotals that would leave me to believe that souls exist and logically I can assert that I believe those examples to be true even if I cannot use them as hard evidence.

>it is a strawman, only the reductio ad absurdum type and it is a shitty fallacy
No, it is not a strawman. At no point did I reduce what you said. You said that people killing themselves is a decision. I said decisions don't exist. I did not modify what you said. It is not a strawman. Please stop regurgitating fallacy names you don't understand.

>there is [free will], but it's not magical, it's a simple function of being able to simulate possible futures and picking one, you're picking the one where you're shitposting on anime websites, there's no external force that makes you do it

All of what you wrote is accomplished by electrons passing across synapses. These electrons, "you", are part of the universe, and obey the universe's laws. There is no "external" or "internal" - there is just the continuous universe, and you're part of it, and totally at its mercy. You possess no mechanism with which to affect the electrons that decide everything for you. You have no soul you can use to move the electron. Please try to wrap your head around this.

That's called Aging, retard.

That just means you're gullible. Logical fact does not vary from person to person. If I say 2 + 2 = 4, and you say 2 + 2 = 11, you're not right from your perspective, you're just factually wrong.

I don't need to, your body is shutting down as we speak
it's also called lack of sex

then what is your point? that a species needs to reproduce to survive? everyone knows that, the point is, on an inidividual level, you don't actually feel the need to breed on a phyisological level - you just feel the need to have sex

you reduced human will to "le electrons lulxd" that's a strawman
suicide is a decision, and humans make decisions, trying to undermine that with "lol electrons" is a strawman
blahblah le electrons, spare me of your shitty strawman arguments

I can understand making that claim about texts with solid historical evidence and parts of the text where the author flatters or makes reference to the individual who it was composed for, such as Machiavelli's "The Prince" being written for Lorenzo de Medici.

However, the very existence of the historical Laozi is disputed, and all that can be surmised about the text is that it was written in a certain period and attributed by name to a notable figure. Not only that, but there is no lip service being done to any individual, specific or no, in the Tao.

Finally, given that both of your claims are true, and that Laozi wrote the Tao at request of a powerful person, does that change the merit of the text itself? Are the words somehow less brilliant because they were written by request?

I don't really see what you're trying to prove other than your unwillingness to see a body of text for its relevance outside of context.

Evolution doesn't work like that. Nature didn't intentionally make anything a certain way. The orgasm exists by coincidence of our ancient ancestors successfully reproducing, perhaps on account of it, but ultimately because those ancestors were more powerful than other species.

>you reduced human will to "le electrons lulxd" that's a strawman
That is factually not what a strawman fallacy is. A strawman fallacy is when you attack an argument that the opponent did not make, as if the opponent had made it.

>suicide is a decision, and humans make decisions, trying to undermine that with "lol electrons" is a strawman
No, it's definitely not a strawman, and humans still do not have decisions. Just the illusion of decisions.