Is anyone actually excited for classic wow?

>A random post trying to make people ashamed for enjoying a video game

I wonder who could be behind this post

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Preach

Why is half of my youtube recs filled with this balding freak?

Kek

I don't care about attracting new players.

I like going back to play my favorite old games, WOW is always something I have the itch to boot up and play again but the modern game is an absolute chore to play.

I've been pretty much been playing private vanilla servers off and on since Mid cataclysm, but always get annoyed that the server shuts down or pay 2 win bullshit gets out of hand or every server focuses on end game so they're like 50x exp servers or something retarded.

I don’t know who he is, but you’ll lose your hair too someday. Enjoy it while it lasts zoomie

There are lots of those but they're also overhyping classic to their friends which will drag some normals in.

It's gonna be fun at least to 60. What I'm most excited to see is what blizzard do to try to retain classic subs. I'm extremely jaded, you see. I expect something really spectacular. It's going to put the boat and the dragon to shame.

>playing wow when ffxiv exists

You havel ike 10+ years of players who came too late for vanilla and want to try it out to see what all the old guys are talking about + it comes free with the normal wow sub so you're going to get a lot of new players just there where a part of them will get hooked. You've got no reason to worry.

Ffxiv has combat that's even more boring than Eve online

Blizzard will ruin Classic. Mentally ill normies that watch Twitch will make sure of it.

I must admit, I was quite interested by Classic . I only started playing WoW at mist of pandaria and even if i actually enjoyed the casual features (Spent too much time on that Pokemon knock-off) I was sad that the game was completely abandonning his old expansions . I was getting level up so fast, everyone was using just party finder in chain to get levels and most levelling zones were becoming empty of life . I grew up watching trailer for Onyxia, Zul Gurub and Zul Aman so I was quite interested to play them like they were intended at their release .
PS: Is there a way like in FF14 to easily find party for old raids like Zul Aman or Ulduar ? I really wish to experience those dungeons one day .

I can see someone hasn’t played the game

Sell me on ffxiv

This.
No way I'm running errands for the stormwind cheesmaster.

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You can queue for Ulduar when the time walking event is going on. It's not the same though since classes are a lot different now than they were in WotLK.

no I've played it already. Cleared everything cept Naxx. No point in playing.

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Orc should be perfect for you

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i was but not really anymore. best thing about vanilla was the community and i dont see classic having anywhere near as good a community

I can see you've cleared your hairline as well

would you?

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Idk, the community was exactly the same as vanilla on the private server I played on so it might be that the game forces certain behaviour from the players instead of it being everyone was a noob.

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I'm looking forward to it. Just gonna play pretty casually and at a nice slow pace.

How can i be excited when its sharding/layering. Hype is dead, deciding if i'll play.

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i never played wow but i always heard this argument

then i found out that the average player was something like 28 during vanilla

I gave it two goes, but couldn't get past level 20

Even retail WoW at level 20 is more engaging and that's saying something

inb4 it gets good 70 hours in

I'm excited for it but also worried at the same time.

INV
ASMON
LAYER

>even considering giving money to actiblizz
Neck yourselves

tfw classic won't have a OSRS Poll booth to vote on changes, that would auto get no'd by the No change classic defense force. Imagine wanting to play a final build of a 15 year old game, that will remain unchanged until the end its service.

i tried playing WC3 after WC2 and hated how much slower it felt

lol no

>classic is dying before it even got released
wtf bros, i thought it was our time

Maybe the current retail fan base will learn what a good mmo is like when they try vanilla

>I already played WoW back when it was first released so there isn't a whole lot to discover
Fucking this. What's even the point of a MMORPG without new content?

At least your precious purples don't get instantly useless later.

>r u hyped for le kike gaim xdDDD
Compare this turd's story to XIV
>XIV
You execute a kikoid-zionist world leader (Vauthry) who runs a zionist marxist communist shithole with a national socialist revolution
>World of Whew
Ohhummm yes communism is great dude let's work to kill le generic baddy xD

What went wrong other than...
Streamers
Layering
Sharting
Cross realm BGs
Spell batching
and being an obviously rushed release?

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They made a causal version of EQ.

they renamed Barak's Head, The Nicker, and The Black Menace, outing themselves as racists

You're so painfully underage

t. Angry wowturd kike lover
Every westpoop game is fucking kike crap.

>Streamers
Just don't play on a server with them
>Layering
>Sharting
Yes this is actually a negative
>Cross realm BGs
Not a problem unless you're some kind of attention whore wanting to play with the same people
>Spell batching
It's to stay authentic to the vanilla experience
>and being an obviously rushed release?
It's not rushed at all?

>be me
>24 years old
>wow released
>some friends start talking about it when we get out to drink something
>one day i go to one of my friend house
>"user you need to watch this game, is beautifull and we can play online together"
>Its wow
>"man, honestly? We already literally wasted two+ years of our life online playing Neverwinter night...maybe its time we get a degree and find a gf to start a famaly or something"
>"lol user, you speak like an old man trapped in 24 years old wtf???"
>fast foward 15 years
>I've now a degree, a job, a house and a wife
>still occasionally play vidya
>my friend is still at parents house alone in front of his PC
OP, between me and my friend, wonder who will play with you online at your shitty game.

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>It's not rushed at all?
the fact they didn't delay it to figure out how to do it without layering or to fix bugs like spell batching etc properly clearly means its fucking rushed

>he believes they are going to remove shard... I mean, layering
Oh no, it's retarded.

>Not a problem unless you're some kind of attention whore wanting to play with the same people
>Server community is just a meme

>Spell batching is authentic to vanilla
No its not
and dont tell me they fixed it. They didn't. There's a huge delay on counterspelling and reacting to things like death coil.

where was this implied at all you fucking retard

Beta is over, everyone saw their favourite streamer play it. The internet buzz died down and well resurge once the game launches.
Vanilla was an insane succes without social media shit, youtube or twitch and you can bet your ass, that we'll see another year of big media news going through the motions of writing about a "phenomenon".

>"the fact they didn't delay it to figure out how to do it without layering"
That implies layering is going to be removed eventually, retard.

Even if nu-Blizzard wasn't a social justice company pretending to be a game development company, classic WoW was not so much a collection of game mechanics as it was a period of time, and that time isn't coming back. WoW was new, it was the first or one of the earliest really popular MMOs, and the internet was still in the pre-social media period.

Dude, did you play vanilla? Pummel/kick/cs always was wonky back then. you basically had to predict when the cast would come. Our guild had a diehard pvp rogue that could kick every 0.5 warlock resummon or deathcoil without a hitch. Just git gud.

my brother and i played on release and will be playing again, but our little brother who just turned 18 was too young back then, but is also gonna play it w us now

Its the Star Wars effect:
whinge for decades in large numbers until you're given exactly what you asked for then leave.

Well yeah, if you had parents willing to pay a fucking subscription to play a stupid video game, you were either affluent as fuck or had retarded parents.

no
if anything its implies the opposite

but you could say that they put layering in on purpose so they could call on it later and it was their plan all along yes

i think they're using it because they want to rush it out, though.

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>some weird occurrences that were confused with bugs and lag
Did you play vanilla? Because nobody gave a fuck about batching until some retarded cripple sperged about it 5 years ago.

you can't kick death coil it's an instant cast
nice try though zoomie

The fuck you talking about, hasn’t Classic been out for like a month already?

>its implies the opposite
Then why "figure out how to do it without layering" is a problem if they aren't going to remove layering and made this version with layering in mind?

That's exactly what it's gonna be ahaha
So pathetic, I still can't believe bluz caved to your whining.

He's parroting other guy that said it before. Is amazing how these "veterans" are easy to spot.

>'these aren't bugs, that's how the game was'
Does that they're going to let the literal plague happen again? I might actually play if its in.

because they would have to rewrite the net code from the ground up because shardi- sorry i mean layering is so entrenched in the client/server architecture they built classic from they had no choice but to use it, unless they actually took their time and rewrote the net code and weren''t rushing it out of course

you can react to death coil with shit like ice block since it has travel time. or at least should be able to

So with "the fact they didn't delay it to figure out how to do it without layering" you mean "the fact they didn't delay it to figure out how to do it with layering"?

this list so wrong

>using iceblock or bubble to "react" before the impact of death coil
So, you never played before Cataclysm, right? Be sincere, we're all anonymous here.

i meant what i said
im done replying to (You)

@470345265
>I'm mentally challenged
Indeed.
>don't give me (you)s
Now that's a sound advice.

stfu 40yo boomer

you definitely could do it if you were off gcd

I was excited for it but then I leveled to 30 on a private server and got it out of my system.

For starters, that's a waste of a good skill. And you can IB/bubble at anime time, don't need to do it before getting hit.

>seething this hard
Oh no...

>at any time
no you can't
you have to wait for it or else any warlock with half a brain won't even bother

negating damage and healing is worth it. I'm talking from a dueling/wpvp perspective.

playing classic servers before the release made me realize how much I DON'T want to play the game now. Fuck MMORPG. Biggest waste of your time, ever.

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What are you talking about? It basically is only for the starting areas. It's going to last until there isn't 15000 players in elwynn forest anymore.

I physically can't play weeb games. WoW is fun enough for me and I've got a guild of friends to do stuff with.

Fun content, for one thing. Who the fuck likes running underrot 25 times a day with 4 dipshits incapable of pressing 4 buttons in the right order? I'd much rather play classic where I as an individual player have the ability to carry the group from what I know of a dungeon or raid.

But besides that, world pvp is actually rewarding and fun in classic, which is the only real fun content WoW has ever had.

Oof, you sound upset about making the wrong choice.

i want to play TBC
fuck wpvp
fuck pvp
pve4life

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They said they've been considering it.

LAYERING WILL BE PERMANENT. DONT BELIEVE BLIZZARDS LIES

>It's to stay authentic to the vanilla experience
>replicating shitty dial-up internet from the early 2000's in 2019 is authentic
Kys

It will be like we all anons said for true blizzlike servers wait for the Private Servers in 2022.

The only reason layering would be permanent is if the game permanently had 10k players per zone. If that's what you're trying to say here, I'm pretty okay with that.

No

Can't believe you fuckers still trust blizzard after all this. The old blizz is long gone, it's time to move on

no its because blizzards servers cant handle more than 100 people in the same place

>wonder who will play with you online at your shitty game.
I'm gonna go and say you because this entire story is fabricated, your friend isn't real, and you really just wanted to post that image you found on /r9k/

>t4, t5 and t6 are designed so fucking horribly you just stack warlocks and hunters to clear every single raid
Great pve design there. Trash expansion in terms of pve and pvp.

Blizzard intentionally caps the shards low in retail. They still have people trying to play on PCs from fucking 2008 who refuse to upgrade and just want to keep their character around. They get a ton of complaints anytime hardware reqs go up so they do what they can to give everybody a blizzard quality experience. And you can't tell me that blizzard doesn't have high standards when it comes to how their games perform.

Is nu-WoW, that's a given. Only the biggest retards believe blizzard's "is for your own good" PR talk.

id rather be running at 10fps with 300 people on screen than 60fps with 100

t. private server noob

It's pretty clear you didn't experience any of the popular private server launches. The only way you were killing a mob is by having an instant cast spell or standing next to it and melee hitting. The elite quest mobs would have you standing around for 30-60 minutes waiting for your group to actually get the tag.

>It's pretty clear you didn't experience any of the popular private server launches
Hell no, I already played vanilla.

>completely missing the point
As expected of pserver babies.

>The only way you were killing a mob is by being in a group with at least one instant cast
ftfy

desu i never had any issues with tags/quest items past lvl 12 on freshcuck servers but then again i was always ahead of the curve

>a cesspool of 30 year old faggots trying to relive a time where their life actually had meaning.
This unironically sounds amazing.

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Being a cuck and going to one of the shittier questing zones (Darkshore, Silverpine, Loch Modan) would save you a lot of the trouble. But getting to a bounty or elite quest would still put you in the same problem where you had to wait all day for a kill.

No because it will be full of modern MMO players who care only about their numbers in a database and nothing about making friends or having a laugh.

>shittier questing zones
>Darkshore

empty eyes

streamers will be the only thing boosting player numbers on classic. Most people nowadays won't be impressed with the slow leveling experience.

You have to remember how novel the MMO experience was even in 2005. WoW broke new ground by being more friendly than MMOs like Everquest. None of that novelty will be felt in 2019.

If you go to darkshore you miss out on gear that will last you until high 30s/low 40s.

Every single leveling record on the Alliance go to Darkshore. By the time a retard like you (a packlet who waits 30-60 minutes to complete low level quests) hits "high 30s/low 40s" I'd be running lvl 60 dungeons.

they the private servers still just worked. sure the launches were fun as fuck to see the entire server in one place at once but yeah the tagging was less then optimal for the first couple of hours. but as people grew apart in terms of levels it really sorted itself out. sharding is the absolute worst solution imaginable to the launch pop problem. its such a bad solution that it should make you question if they have an ulterior motive.

Trust:>

Oof
>Actually rushing to level cap in classic instead of having fun

>muh jerney!
>everybody is a winner!
t. special needs child

leveling wont be fun with layering so you might as well rush 60 to play dungeons with friends

Games with tab-targeting combat and skill bars are shit. I have no idea why they exist. It would be great if any of these games were made with skill-based combat.

>alleged 40 years old
>post frogs
I hope you're just LARPing.

Yeah, because low level PvE is super fun, right?

Spamming frostbolt is more fun the bigger the numbers are

>packlet doesn't AoE with blizzard
Color me not surprised.

>b-but nostalruse
I don't care about your shit pserver. And AoE is going to be the shit thanks to Blizzard's "totally not sharding" layering.

If the tools are there for the starting areas, they will use it everywhere else, don't be a sucker. You're basically saying you trust blizzard not to make the game easier to appeal to the lowest common denominator who needs to hop shards to duck world pvp.

Never played wow but I'm gonna play with my friends when it drops. Itll bring in some new players in pretty sure

He's just dumb. The beta have sharding everywhere. FFS, every zone in an independent shard.

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this reminds me of my friend who just started speaking english. he just knows a bunch of things that are considered foul to say and just spews them.
you ok, Pedro?

>end game you spam only one skill when doing dungeons and raids
>frostbolt
>shadowbolt
>lightning bolt
>fireball
>sunder armor
>backstab
How the FUCK does anyone find that fun?

The best part is they are telling everyone it won't go live with those features but they can't even run the beta without relying on them

Because "is fun with friends", literally. WoW was the western "baby's first MMO" and people loved the player interaction and meeting people in the game, making that subpar and casual Everquest ripoff fun.

As i've said i still play vidya occasionally but for most part fighting games only.

Human or Undead warrior?

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Hey to be fair, at least for what I read, Blizzard is avoiding exact replies. Is always "we might remove it eventually, etc etc". Is the retarded drones and redditors who keep parroting lies like "is just the starter zones" and "it will be gone after 2-3 months".

Female tauren

CLASSIC IS DEAD, IT'S ALL ABOUT 8.2 NOW FAGGOT, MOUNT OFF GOGOGO

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I played the beta for 15 years. Wasn't that great.

well then they are fucked for live

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based

how do we solve the problem of classic threads being filled with blackpilling faggots? literally all of the following topics are irrelevant and have nothing to do with the game

-twitch streamers
-ff14
-layering
-furry/elf erp garbage

literally fuck off so we can discuss the actual game. these threads were good until the beta and then all the autistic freaks here started cumming their little panties photoshopping shitty edits of asmongler

>xiv kind of full with shadowbringers release
>8.2 releases
>literal weak later the content has run out
>all the xiv servers are overflowing

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>-twitch streamers
>-ff14
>-layering
>-furry/elf erp garbage
best part is that's the wow general

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Don't forget the epic "dude you got the bomb run out of the raid hahahah" mechanic and after that continue spamming 1. So fun and challenging!

You read wrong. Blizzard has stated it's only going to be there for 1-2 weeks during the startup.

>discuss the actual game
Like what? it's a 15 year old game. Everything is set in stone already.

That video is not sharing its just the game being shitty. Happened in real vanilla in that exact spot and also happens with some herb and mine modes. Happens in pservers as well

Source?

oh ok i'm sure when raid time comes everyone will be doing the exact same dps and everyone knows off by heart the location of every quest. retard

>tfw bought a sealed 2005 copy of the vanilla box on ebay
youre damn right im excited

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Neat, another pserver warrior pretending he played vanilla.

wtf are you talking about that's every single mmo

*resealed

>dps
what even are the rotations in vanilla?

Why are you having these mental gymnastics before the game is even released. Just play the fucking game without prejudices and see if you like it. It's your experience, not anyone elses. Stop caring about other people so much, you apes.

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Yeah, that's why anyone who actually played vanilla know Classic will fail. The community changed, the internet changed and the paradigm shifted. Nowadays is all guides, streamers and that parses thing.

you tell me knowitall, you say it's a solved game. obviously if it's 'solved' then everyone will perform at 100% at all times yes? see you in naxx

their fanbase is fucking ass, they are lashing out because they have nothing to do

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>tfw I still have my original box
it's gonna be good, user

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>Do as I say, not as they say

...

>stop caring about other people
>post the popular facebook frog to get attention
Dumb frogposter.

>tank spams sunder
>dies to first ability that needs a defensive
fuck off retard there is more to it that that troll post

OBSESSED

This is sad

You need simple rotations so you can chat in the party/class/officer/raid/zone channels while playing. Is a social game. I mean, you don't play the most casual MMORPG (also most casual genre) for the challenge, right? Nobody can be this retarded.

I played 5 minutes of WoW just now. Night Elf Mage.

Why is everything about the interface and controls irritating? Why do I have to specifically right click to loot everything? Why isn't there an auto run or, if there is one, why isn't it just bound to fucking "R"? Why do the graphics still look WORSE than 2004?

Why has NO MMO ever incorporated the click-based movement of Guild Wars, Baldur's Gate, and every CRPG ever?

>you don't play the most casual MMORPG (also most casual genre) for the challenge, right? Nobody can be this retarded.
that is literally the people hyped for classic and retail. They are convinced it's actually hardcore and difficult

>you need layering to be able to even level
twitter.com/Grummz/status/1131426701517312001
blocks your path

the only real reason they have layering is because they decided it would be easier not to rewrite the net code and instead rush it out for investors

WoW has a setting for click based movement....

Then why isn't that the default? It solves a lot but not the rest of the problems I listed

Nah, WoW was never really good and there are other MMOs now that are better than it ever was.

>the only real reason they have layering is because they decided it would be easier not to rewrite the net code and instead rush it out for investors
even worse, it's not about rushing it out since they've been working on it for two years. It's about saving money on server costs. It's just them cutting costs

you don't actually want to get into the game, you're lying to us and yourself. if you actually cared you would check the controls.

Anyone that isn't retarded already knew that. They know Classic is DoA, so they are keeping it cheap.

>2.5s gcd

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stupid fuck it's about not having 1000 people compete over literally one quest mob

>5 years old meme

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>classic WoW announced
mildly excited
>remember modern actiblizz
not so excited at all
>hear about layering
i totally removed it from my brain and remember about it from time to time I come to Yea Forums, wishing classic wow was never brought to the table

has it changed?

if thats true why dont they have overspawning like they did during actual vanilla release?

It was never true, but a parrot wouldn't know this

>excited for classic
>decide to try retail
>tfw I actually kind of enjoy it
I'm going to play both classic and retail, I'm going to have a lot of fun, and Yea Forums can't do anything to stop me.

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>frogposter
>is dumb
welp

they do. more misinformation ofc you have no idea what you're talking about and yet you speak with authority, fuck this board. vanilla had dynamic spawn rates. spawning the mob 30 seconds sooner doesn't help when LITERALLY ONE THOUSAND PLAYERS are fighting over him. how the fuck are you retards unable to comprehend this holy shit

>what is proper tagging
>what is mob spawn scaling
pretty sad desu

I wanted to try it because people argue there's stuff in there worth playing/doing

i was initially excited but remember why i stopped playing mmos. the closer the release date gets the less hype i receive. it was fun back then but if you played on a private server recently, the fun gets sucked out with the min/maxing autists.
at least back then people were keyboard turning retards. now everyone knows all the shit.

"hmm, we've got 1 mob that spawns every 2 minutes and 1000 players fighting over him. what to do? i know! make it spawn once every 30 seconds! problem solved!" is this really how you people think

because BFA is trash and nobody wants click based movement since its way too slow and inaccurate.

but vanilla server cap is 2500-3000 and theres like 6 starter zones that doesnt amount to 1k people per starter zone
and before you start crying about everyone being in deathknell or elwyn, running from one starter zone to the another is one of my favorite memories of wow

get fucked sharting apologist

No that's how blizzard devs think and they are fucking retards

Of course nobody will resub or even start giving them money for an 15 year old game.

so the game doesn't have a 2.5s gcd?
>Global cooldown (or GCD) is a shared cooldown timer applied to all active actions - except abilities - after they're executed. It globally prevents actions from being executed for 2.5 seconds.
taken from the game's wiki: ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Global_cooldown
is this information wrong?

Just post the NIN ShB opener webm next time in response to that.

If you don't use click-based movement then you have no fucking clue when you're in range for interactables

With haste and class buff's it's usually significantly below 2 seconds. Then of course there are off global cooldowns and positionals, combos, etc.

most players are human or undead dummy, you are just wrong here, thete's no argument for not having sharding in starting zones on day 1, you're fucking low iq if you disagree

ff14 community is even more autistic

>hete's no argument for not having sharding in starting zones on day 1, you're fucking low iq if you disagree
and you think it'll be removed later on?

the fuck are you talking about?

i rolled undead and ran to mulgore multiple times and it was FUN

fuck you

who the fuck wants to play horde
literal mudhut niggers eating KFC in their designated nigger KFC huts in the middle of every zone (complete with every vendor, more quests then alliance and FP ofc oh and sometimes there is even a zeppelin or free transport thrown in) while chimping on anything that moves in numbers only despite rolling for pvp racials but never actually 1v1ing to use them
then porting into their literal mudhut nigger KFC city called "orgrimmar" more like ogreshit lol blizzard literally took some somalian shithole town and copy pasted it into wow to give that authentic nigger feel to the faction le monster races br0 check out these NO SHOES so whacky better name myself something fucking retarded like boogerbones to fit in btw get owned kid totally bg queued out of that 1v1 close one
you want a sick capital city to afk in br0? take your pick :

- literal sewer shithole with aids and feces everywhere
- some fucking retarded canyon thing where you fall off and die
- literal nigger kfc somali city

NO

SHOES

NO SHOES
N O S H O E S
N I G G E R

FUCK YOU HORDE NIGGERS

you think it won't? i suppose you just assume it won't be removed because blizz said it would be removed, and you just want to shit on blizz and say that they can only lie. am i right?

Haven't played WoW since TBC, what's this layering thing everyone keeps talking about?

i bet it was FUN being 5 levels lower than everyone else

just like retail huh little piggy?

so yes i am right and your only argument is 'i bet blizz is lying' fucking child lmao

It has always been a wowfag shitposter, gear, materia and skills lowers the GCD down a lot.

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i was actually 5 levels ahead of everyone else because they were busy trying to compete in tirisfal LOL

that color palette does nothing for me

I love how the game still looks slow even using the fastest class on a controller to make it look faster and acting like the matching symbols minigame are moves.

you know, i've seen this posted countless times before and not once has there been a response to show what it's like in wow

Naw. The entire game has already been mapped out, and that itself was part of the problem even back then which became the core of the design philosophy. "Best in slot" should never have been a concept. Item diversity was already mehish throughout the level range, but it bottlenecks entirely once the raid tiers come in and make everything 100% linear progression. BC sealed the deal by having the new content invalidate everything from vanilla. Outland should have been level 55-60 zones with main quests that provided additional talent points, but no raising of the level cap itself. Keep gear at the same level as vanilla, side grades with new itemization archetypes (increased X damage type taken, decreased Y damage type taken; different itemization paths with the same power level). There was no reason to upend the raid progression scheme when .001% of the playerbase had finished Naxx, which was itself a problem that had been brewing with everything after BWL becoming increasingly meaningless for most of the playerbase.

Vanilla was already shit at the point in time they are aiming to recreate with Classic and they seem to be committed to retreading the same path rather than fixing anything and making a good game, which is impossible for Blizzard nowadays anyway.

theyre all button mash garbage desu

>all that gcd clipping
ninja is fucking disgusting

>Outland should have been level 55-60 zones with main quests that provided additional talent points, but no raising of the level cap itself. Keep gear at the same level as vanilla,
best alternative ive ever seen
throw in neutral playable faction that does quest hub raiding for gear and im sold blizzard make this game

>when .001% of the playerbase had finished Naxx
To be fair that happened only because nobody had 8 geared tanks and shortly after Naxx release they announced TBC, so lots of people lost interest.

It's about ~45% slower than WoW unless ShB introduced some massive GCD reduction. MNK and NIN are the fastest classes and both still struggle to break 50 CPM on anything beyond a target dummy.

Here's the part where I mention that faster != better but some XIVfag always immediately jumps to the "yeah but our rotations are harder!" argument.

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So what, you can lower GCD in WoW too.

The problem is that by the time you reach Naxx gear makes most classes really strong, so an easy "fix" is a reset button in the form of an expansion.

How would people feel about making Deathknights a thing in late late Classic? Rather than going on to make TBC(the patch that killed WoW) continue to make Classic content and add DKs?

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nice try, wrathbabby

You're actually a retarded conspiracy theorist, tin foil hat wearing idiot, if you think this would ever happen. The game would die immidiately and the playerbase would jump right over to private servers again.

every class is stupid strong at naxx but melee needs deoi or kt to compete in wpvp

If itemization is in the vein of less X elemental damage taken, wouldn't that recreate the problem of having to do content in a linear manner, do the stuff for fire resist gear to do the fire raid?
Speaking of the resist gear mattering more, it ends up requiring organized players to farm through done content every time there's a change in party/raid setup.
If the raid game is a tree with layers of filters, it divides the player base yet again.

>can't spam more than 100 double strafe per minute
Damn, these new MMORPGs sure suck. At least to compensate they feature thousands of players on the same place, right? I mean, old MMOs only handled hundreds.

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>Why has NO MMO ever incorporated the click-based movement of Guild Wars, Baldur's Gate, and every CRPG ever?
Zoom Zoom

Being a weeb oh nonononono

he's not wrong. To kill Muru, you literally had to have everyone level leatherworking.
BC was fucking amazing, my favorite, but there are definitely balance issues with certain things.

It's like having parallel worlds on one server. Have you played Maplestory? It's kind of similar to the channel system in that, IIRC.

They nerfed chain drums like 2-3 months into the raid.

You can still play stuff in your downtime though. Idk why people think its a 100% or nothing thing when it comes to being an upstanding adult and vidya.

They also nerfed M'uru tho.

while I like both games, I have a strong suspicion that there's a viral campaign to cast doubt on classic whilst shilling ffxiv

the fact that there's a dozen or more threads like this daily really sets off my bullshit alarm

My sister paid for me. Check mate, atheists.

Less flashy but more complex since bosses have actual mechanics.

a 90% of TBCs instances just like in vanilla were always overtuned when they got released in new patch

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>webm not related

Not really, they were poorly balanced with a mix of overtuned and undertuned bosses, Blizzard is that incompetent. People only remember the overtuned ones tho.

It happened because they decided to cater to that .001% by making a raid with numbers so inflated that only the people with AQ40 on farm could set foot in there to even start gearing up their tanks for the boss fights designed around "you need to have +X% hit from the previously obtainable set items in this raid to even consider this fight possible" instead of making all new content strategically challenging (which isn't to say that they hadn't increased the mechanical elements from the days of MC's tank and spanks, but of course even MC had the tranq shot artificial gating).

They needed to do more shit like the dungeon set upgrade challenges and less absurd power gaps between raid tiers. Of course, now there is zero possibility of that ever happening because streaming will make the whinging of hardcore raiders even more over represented and thus necessitate the continual addition of new content targeted at the smallest portion of the playerbase.

The elemental focused raids was already a terrible mistake. MC and BWL being so anti-fire killed build diversity for mages and locks and then the nature resist grind was indeed just more artificial difficulty. I was throwing that idea out there more with PvP in mind and damage types like "more physical taken, less elemental" to allow people to build as mage killers.
Any mechanic which completely invalidated specs (fire immunity dominant in BWL/MC) or made gear choice automatic (ony scale cloak, resist gear) should have never been in the game in the first place. Hell, set items should have been axed because it just ended up with every player wearing the same shit. Raids should have scaled only slightly in terms of numbers and focused on increasingly demanding tactics while providing a much greater variety of item drops that weren't so directly superior to previous raids and rather had increasingly complex itemization to open up entirely new build paths. Think uniques from ARPGs like Path of Exile.

Kek
And Blizzdrones call this fun

back then it was incompetence, right now raids are overtuned out of malice

Just stick to the plan chums!

I dream of a wow that doesn't allow 95% of its content to become irrelevant, where players don't have to be gimped simply by the class or role they enjoy. As a dps monkey Classic will never be fun for me because I know that spamming shadowbolts is not enjoyable gameplay. Requiring a specific tank to soak raid mechanics in progression content, and leaving other classes in the dust because of poor game design, is fucking boring. Games like ESO do this better, but the developers fuck up classes for seemingly no reason and ruin any semblance of balance. Final Fantasy is cringey button bloat weeb garbage with an aesthetic that even the shitty Korean grinders can do better.

Also I will never melt faces with my flamethrower in anything like Rift again and that shit is so sad.

>BLIZZARD IS GONNA FUCK IT UP GUYS, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE HORRIBLE YOU SHOULD JUST STOP NOW

seething bfa fag

ffxiv combat feels fucking horrible because of this, the netcode is complete garbage and everything is unresponsive as shit unless you have

>I dream of a wow that doesn't allow 95% of its content to become irrelevant

Well 95% of classic’s content is leveling which actually matters in vanilla, so yeah, that exists.

This is true, but you get used to it
Your first mistake was not rolling BLM though. Always bet on black

>padding to keep people subscribed matters
Get a load of this guy.

M'uru explains everything that is wrong with overtunedd and broken boss raids.
youtube.com/watch?v=66C7dMq7u30

"Leveling" was different back then, it was based on an older rpg model where it was a grand adventure. If you look at the shit you accomplish questing to 60, you already become a badass hero. If anything, that padding needed to be more extensive. Increase xp required to level even more so it really does take months to 60 and do shit like make MC a level 40 raid with gear drops strong enough and with unique itemization elements so that they are competitive at 60.

Norf!

Well, uhm, convince us otherwise if you're so delusional?
Why do you think they won't fuck it up?

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No dude, nothing you do matters. Meanwhile in older games you could actually achieve stuff (grinding items and shit) that mattered at level cap. Also older games weren't about hitting the level cap, with all the relevant content designed around it. WoW was always a poor example of MMORPG.

My sides

>"Leveling" was different back then, it was based on an older rpg model where it was a grand adventure
So xiv

He didn't say anything about a tranny dress up simulator, no.

Wait half of the classes in wow are xiv tier in the 40s and 30s with nothing like combos or positionals

>based on an older rpg model where it was a grand adventure
Now that's a bunch of buzzwords. How's based on older RPG models? You can't even alocate stats or customize you character. You get talents, but these aren't fixed, everybody is the same. Also which "grand adventure"? Killing some boars around the world? How's that different to nu-WoW?

XIV easily has one of the best stories of FF and FF kicks the shit out of wow's "story"

Like don't you cucks actually purchase books and comics in order to understand what's happening in the story?

hahahahaha

>WoW release a book to deal with all the inaccuracies and retcons
>is retconned (and inaccurate) before 6 months
You can't make this shit up.

Grand adventure comes down to 1) kill this 2) collect that 3) go hear. Maybe the dungeons but most of them are hilarious bad.

How's leveling in wow compare to xiv? Like I'm not even going to say this link is good, I just want to compare it to something in wow.
>www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSCGTqshanw
>www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mov5OcmtuOM
It definitely feels more like a "grand adventure"

Leveling in ff14 is spamming random fates and dungeons until you hit the level requirement for the next MSQ, those quests aren't part of the leveling itself, like how you get stuck doing a hundred fetch quests before unlocking the first expanssion zones so you can go run around doing more fates to level up for the next batch of MSQs

Not to mention those are one off things so when you jump to a new class they aren't even there to break up the monotony.

I quit private servers because people were wiping on fairly easy 14 year old content. The content is fairly simple from a technical standpoint, but Vanilla requires more preparation time from a consumables standpoint.

TBC was the greatets expansion because it was the hardest.
>PvE >>>>>>>> PvP/WPvP
youtube.com/watch?v=g75YgZL-HuI

And that's different in wow how? You guys don't even have fates or levees or hunts or potd/hoh. It's just quests and only quests. And there is nothing behind them.

>Leveling in ff14 is spamming random fates and dungeons
Isn't one of the biggest problems with wow the random world quests? Like sure leveling you go into other zones you can do quests there but same as ff

Sounds more interesting than killing some boars and then moving to the next zone to kill the local boars.

WotLK > TBC > Vanilla > MoP > Cata > Legion > BfA > WoD

leveling in ffxiv
>quests
>dungeons
>class quests
>fates
>levees
>hunts
>palace of the dead
>heaven on high
leveling in wow
>quests
>dungeons
hmm. And of those two the ones in ffxiv I'd say are better because they are written better.

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Honestly have no idea how it works in current WoW, from what I hear no one likes it and the game isn't played much by anyone that cares about anything but collecting.
Leveling used to mostly be a series of quests that follow storylines in particular parts of the world along with little side bits as you progressed through them. They were also repeatable in the sense that every job was not tied to one character so it was not as painful as leveling new jobs in 14.

world quests are a max level thing, not while levelling

>They were also repeatable in the sense that every job was not tied to one character so it was not as painful as leveling new jobs in 14.
wait how is the leveling process in wow less painful than xiv when you have to repeat the same quests and zones every single time for every character?

>go to level second job
>fug

You don't, there are more questlines than needed to level so different characters can take different routes if you want, they simply aren't exhausted and only left with the more pointless grindy options after exhausting the other options the first time through.

But wasn't it that in classic wow there weren't even enough quests to level? You ended up having to do that "pointless grindy option" but with less choices than xiv

grinding repetitive shit in Wow baaaaaad
grinding repetitive shit in XIV GOOOOOD

leveling an alt in xiv is infinitely better than wow. I mean for fucks sake most classes won't even get a new move for an entire expansion. And there are no class quests.

Not to mention the heirloom gear renders gear obsolete while xiv has the armory bonus so you still want to get new gear.

Wasn't even really a thing at launch just many people did not know or care to look for new places, and by the end there was way more than ever needed even if you didn't really look hard.

ff has more choices and includes things like class quests which wow does not. I'd agree both suck dick but I have yet to understand why wow is better

I honestly don't even know or care how things work in modern WoW, no one does.

wow has class quests, just not in the current expansion

>wasn't it that in classic wow there weren't even enough quests to level?
Only if you were autistic and never run dungeons. I run all the mid-high level dungeons (SM, ZF, ST, etc) 3-5 times with my first WoW char and never run out of quest.

but in classic wow it's worse. You've got to do the same quests and same dungeons in classic with no experience bonus. You literally repeat the same content for every character.

And the quests in classic are hilariously bad and it just comes down to time consumption

WoW had class quests too though.
They were a huge part of leveling for most classes on the way to 60.

Why does World of Warcraft cause so much of Gen Z to seethe?

wow has had class quests since vanilla, and legion was an entire expansion focussing on class order hall quests..

>I run all the mid-high level dungeons (SM, ZF, ST, etc) 3-5 times with my first WoW char and never run out of quest.
user that sounds kind of mindless to me. Isn't most content in wow's leveling process irrelevant because you can go to the next expansion early instead of the old max level so tons of dungeons are skipped?

Nobody actually likes playing old irrelevant expansion content in any MMO.

>vanilla talk
>you can go to the next expansion early
Are you OK?

It's mostly an old person game to them.
If you notice they honestly do not know anything about it before the more modern expansions were everyone that talks fondly of it had already stopped playing anyways.

how long does it take to get from 1-60 in classic wow?

7 days played give or take. A bit less if you're a hunter/warlock following a boring guide.

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Legion was literally all about class quests and they still sucked ass

wrong, i do, jesus fuck this board and all you people making retarded blanket statements

I'm struggling to talk to their fan base because they all seem retarded.

If post-op? No. Rather suck a dick every once in a while than fuck a fake pussy, I've seen the pics, even the better looking ones still look weird to me, fuck that. Other than that he/she/it looks extremely passable, borderline cute

You're barely human, why would I think your opinion matters?

because I play xiv?

It isn't 2004 anymore and not a single one of us can go back.

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you sure do take video games seriously. Or should I say wow, do you play anything but wow?

False, got into the beta.
Hair grew back and dick is rock hard 24 hours a day again.

I think we finally broke the piggy

I'm going to check it out but I have no faith in anything Blizzard does anymore.
If they did a 1.0 release with zero changes except for proper widescreen/21:9 support i'd definitely play every day
instead it's a reskinned legion with everything that comes with it because they're too fucking lazy to do it properly, they have no respect for their own work anymore and it shows

when did your faith die? Mine was when they scrapped the capital cities in WoD and killed the shattrah raid

Nope. I want a new fucking MMORPG, not a 15 year old one.

>user that sounds kind of mindless to me
Dungeons are fun and some of the best leveling loot is found in them.

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>instead it's a reskinned legion with everything that comes with it because they're too fucking lazy to do it properly

why lie? that's what i don't get about you people, lying just dilutes your argument and weakens it. they couldn't get it working just plug and play, many backend changes over time means the code doesn't play nice. the fact we're getting a version at all is amazing. stop being such a faggot

but the dungeons in xiv are more fun

>shitty weeb tranny simulator
No thanks.

Based chad yoshida
>here's a beautiful city for you guys
Blizzard
>lol here's some small old floating island from a decade ago

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Honestly I can't even remember when it died completely. I've been a fan since the mid-late 90s and back then, in my opinion, Blizzard quality was something you could bet money on. The Warcraft series, StarCraft, Diablo 1+2+LoD. It was amazing. WoW was great at launch and for most of vanilla. Every game had passion written all over it. I'm not saying they were perfect, they had bugs etc.
I think a big moment for me was when they said they would never introduce paid character services and then a year or two later they do just that contradicting themselves completely. Years of lying, subpar work, taking advantage of fans and outright addicts not to mention the out of touch way they approach their games and the people playing them has soured my opinion.
WoD had so much potential I think. I was looking forward to an Outland that wasn't broken, to see the orc clans and their heroes and to learn more about the retconnec Draenei and their "home" after the crash. Then they just cut more than half the content and just said "Oops well sit tight and the next expansion will be better, but keep paying! :D"

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Imagine if the game wasn't restrictive garbage and let you actually run and jump across all those rooftops.

Blizzard is a small indie company, they don't have the resources. Please understand.

People keep whining about layers and streamers but that's not even the problem at all, it's the fact that you're basically re-playing something that had 80% of its value tied in the first-time exploration of the world and the blissful state of you not trying to minmax like an autistic hardcore raider but rather as someone who's enjoying his time

For an example, take your experience of vanilla or TBC or whenever you started playing. Apply minmaxing elitism that you're forcing yourself to do because your autistic brain refuses to cope with inefficiency, hardcore rushing to max level so you stay with the herd and don't miss out on proper endgame and a full insight of most details about the game and every zone - would you still go back in time and subject yourself to this?
We can go even further - during that time, almost everyone liked WoW and there were close to no complaints, whereas the current community is a splintered shitfest that has reached a new low of unity that no other MMO has experienced - would you still want to be a part of a community like this and subject yourself to being a part of this shitfest and whining about basically everything? Would you care that you rushed 60 and farmed your rank/realm firsts if most people are shitting on the game while calling it delusional nostcucks' dead fantasy? Would you even have the energy to log in once it actually does die? The fact of zero additional content and no expansion progression?

Layers and streamers are literally not an issue at all, the game is bound to die without them and this would've been apparent to anyone who actually bothered playing private servers, with me personally replaying every expansion up to cataclysm after it ended on retail and noticing the exact same pattern I described above - hype that it's back for the first 3 months, followed by a complete depopulation and depressing deadness.

>when did your faith die?
When they removed the RPG elements like camping skill and using torches at night.

I want to play it but it's such an investment and I'd rather spend my time playing new games rather than bask in nostalgia reliving the past.

Depends on class/PvE or PvP server/and how much competition there is for mobs. About a week of /played is what most people will tell you.

>it's the fact that you're basically re-playing something that had 80% of its value tied in the first-time exploration of the world
Wrong. You act as if thousands and thousands of people haven't been playing private servers for years. Why do you dumbfucks keep saying this shit?

Low level dungeons are the most mind numbingly boring thing since none of the classes have anywhere close to their full kits. High level dungeons are the same long-hallways that retail-WoW has.

>Low level dungeons
so are wows

god fucking damn I can't wait to return

No, some of them are actually very difficult. Black Fathom Depths in particular, it requires a high level of coordination because of the large group of mobs, the entire party MUST focus fire one mob at a time and there MUST be continuous CC otherwise you get btfo.

The game is a lot less figured out for your average Joe than private server autists believe.

The only reason why the last few vanilla servers even became popular was because streamers brought attention to them and advertised them, coupled with this frustration about classic.
As opposed to the hype herd, I actually did play vanilla servers during retail TBC, then again during WoTLK, and they were always either dead or x10 because no one actually wanted to bother investing time in them. The x1 ones specifically were always dead and no one actually cared about this whole "re-experiencing classic" bullshit. What usually tended to be hyped up was the current retail expansion and that's only because those people couldn't afford to pay a sub so they sought private servers to experience the new content, while TBC and vanilla having their most popular servers hovering around 1-2k online players
If you're interested, the only expansion that actually succeeded in maintaining hype and enough people to play it long after it had passed on retail, was WoTLK.

stop trolling, ff14 fag

>the entire party MUST focus fire one mob at a time and there MUST be continuous CC otherwise you get btfo.
holy shit man that is really difficult

It actually is. It sounds easy, but I guarantee the dungeon would destroy you. There is also a ton of pressure on the tank to pick up all the mobs at once and keep their aggro, plus one of the mobs summons an elemental. Once you get to this section it's an absolute cockblock, I haven't ever cleared BFD as a level appropriate group.

god damn, I don't think I can handle that

>The only reason why the last few vanilla servers even became popular was because streamers
No.

>As opposed to the hype herd, I actually did play vanilla servers during retail TBC
Oh so you never actually played retail vanilla. No wonder you're such a bitter faggot lmao.

>the only expansion that actually succeeded in maintaining hype and enough people to play it long after it had passed on retail, was WoTLK.
LMAO. No. Vanilla has had by FAR the biggest private servers.

It's FF14 trannies. What the fuck do you think is going to happen? They're probably posting between waiting for their 50 minute dungeon q's because they finished the single player story (the top selling point) of their MMO.

You can't. I'd skip the dungeon honestly, you'll just waste 2 hours getting btfo.

>more complex
lmao

ill take playing with my fellow 30 yos than playing with meme spouting zoomies any day

this is a level of cope that shouldn't even e possible

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what the hell is tbc/wrath trying to say, what's with the gay headband

God I wish that was me

>Even retail WoW at level 20 is more engaging
yeah because you get all your abilities. at 20 in 14 most classes have nothing to slowly introduce you to your kit

Retail wow doesn't even have class quests lol

No bro, you don't understand, you just have to make it through about 100 more hours of banal leveling so you can enjoy the STORY, bro, where you get to watch MMO characters move around in their walking animation, turn stiffly, and literally DO INGAME EMOTES AT YOU in lieu of actual animations! That's when it gets really good, dude. After you do that, you can go do a flashy "primal" dungeon whose hardest mechanic amounts to "don't stand in the red stuff and DPS this add down when it spawns".

This is the peak of MMO's, dude! This is what they're all about. I bet you're just a jealous WoWtard! Cope! Seethe! You mad? CRINGE!

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nope, hasn't had any since fucking classic. it's pathetic

>coping adhom: the post
>LMAO. No. Vanilla has had by FAR the biggest private servers.
So please name the biggest x1 vanilla private servers pre-2015, when this dumb streamer hype started happening, and tell me how many people played them, because I can guarantee you that
>Burning WoW (TBC during retail TBC)
>WoWscape (TBC during retail TBC after burning died)
>Molten WoW (WoTLK during and post-retail WoTLK)
>Arena Tournament (WoTLK max level PVP post-retail WoTLK)

Were all the most popular retail-emulating private servers of their time, with literally everything else either being x100 or a fun server and definitely not a x1 vanilla server

yes, dpsing in mythic is infinitely more complex than dpsing in your meme savage "raids" that get pugged by trannies

I can understand the hype for the people who have lived with how romanticized vanilla has become. But for me who were there and beat Naxx even, not particularly.
It will be popular, but not as popular as people make it out to be and I think streamers are hyping up the whole community thing way too much. Gives a false sense that it will be super easy to make huge raids just because.
In the end it is all about attitude, and if you bring the same attitude you have in BfA to Classic, there won't be much difference in the end community wise.

>blizzdrones will still claim leveling in wow is better
I swear to god Ion could drop his pants and bend over and those little shits would open their mouths for him to crap

The streamer hype didn't start until after nostalrius shut down, you retard. Nost, kronos, elysium and light's hope were all bigger than all of those shitshow servers you listed.

Face it, vanilla is objectively the best form of WoW, you're just upset because you didn't get to experience it retail.

>But for me who were there and beat Naxx even
No, you didn't.

>vanilla is objectively the best form of WoW
Weak bait, and I played vanilla.

FF14
>"Do u rike my beaurtifur city, gaijin? U can ROOK at it! No go inside any house! No exprore rooftop! No secret area! U run thru where I terr u to run thru!"
>all style, absolutely zero substance
>all doors are locked
>the beautiful structures in the distance amount to just that: beautiful structures in the distance, and you feel like a child held behind "KEEP OUT" tape as you run around a pretty but lifeless city
WoW
>"Holy shit, nerd! You see that giant statue? Hop on your flying mount and stand on it, dude! Wait, there's people ERP'ing up here! Gross, haha!"
>"A lake down in the canals? Hop in! Shit, there's a crocodile! You died, monkey! Better luck next time; get stronger and come back and kill it!"
>"Walk into that building and buy a new item! Oh, it kinda sucks... Well, at least you can repair in here! Go train your weapon skill in the other building, and grab a quest inside the next one! Whoa, nice mount on that guy!"
>everything has the potential to be less pretty because it's not a pre-rendered background cutscene that you can't touch or move toward
>as a result, even though it's slightly uglier, you feel part of the world and can actually go to it and see how it was made, even look at all the weird, sharp jaggies where the models were split and built
>all substance, very little style

I'll take WoW

actually, it's just the case that shards are run on tiny hardware. They're not built to handle large numbers of people by design, because they don't have to. Why overbuild a shard... allegedly Classic is going to be on larger hardware to properly host the original servers, which is probably a reason why layering is "another server" in size, just easier on server architecture.

>vanilla is objectively the best form of WoW
True, and I played vanilla.

I guess you're just a retard who knows nothing about anything.

You didn't play Vanilla.
You didn't even enter Naxx before WOTLK.

I'm mostly going back as a form of completionism. I found out like 7 years ago i had never actually completed BRD. For whatever reason, in the 50-60 times i ran that dungeon, I believed it ended at the boss just before the entrance to molten core. It bugs me for some reason. So I want to join classic just to see if i can find anything else I missed. And no, youtube videos and walkthroughs don't work for me. I kind of label it an actual regret I have.

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>The streamer hype didn't start until after nostalrius shut down
Nope, it started before it, and I didn't follow those shitty servers at all because I had played private servers for about a decade and I wanted to throw up to the thought of ever going back to one, but I am sure that sodapoppin constantly shilled them on his stream, and especially nostalrius while it was up. In fact, ironically, threads about those servers didn't start popping up here on Yea Forums until he actually did start shilling them, and before that there were one to two threads per month at best with people desperately trying to advertise them so they don't die, and a couple of failed /vg/ generals that stopped being reposted after they simply died

>Face it, vanilla is objectively the best form of WoW, you're just upset because you didn't get to experience it retail.
I actually did experience it retail, as well as every single expansion ever released. I'm just not deluded unlike you who very likely actually didn't experience it.

The game is going to be trash. Not because vanilla was trash, but because nu-blizzard is half assing it.

They JUST fixed nifty stopwatch and skull of impending doom not dropping the flag in WSG. There's HUNDREDS of glaring issues and polish they never addressed. Hunters as a class are completely fucked due to their stupid mechanics and engine changes.

It's going to suck. Not because vanilla sucks, but because nu-blizzard is fucking trash.

How wrong you can be. But keep yourself in your bubble.
I'm not even saying people can't enjoy it. I'm just saying I won't play it.

>vanilla is objectively the best form of WoW
BC/WotLK is the best form of WoW.

>tfw a full run of BRD takes 4 hours

Tbc is the best one if you ask me, since the expansion reduced the amount of players for raids from 40 to 25, which made it a whole lot easier to gather people.
It also had the best amount of variety of things to do, while current Retail almost has too much to do, yet no apparent goal to do the things it puts on the table.
Also, Karazhan is a top tier 10-man raid.

Depends on the group. You can clear it within 2 hours without issue with randoms. Even less with a coordinated group.
But you usually aimed for the bosses the group wanted and skipped the ones no one needed.

Lol no.

>shit world pvp
>everything streamlined
>daily quests
>flying mounts
>dungeon difficulties
>entirety of the massive original world is now irrelevant and unpopulated
>loot treadmill

You'd have to be retarded to not see that TBC was the downfall of the game and it only got worse from there.

The downfall of WoW started from the get go, making the mmorpg formula more casual compared to other games.

>implying he played private servers
>implying this sharded desynced bullshit is the same as despawn bugs
Not that it should matter because there is literally no excuse for a blizzard product to have these issues, especially when they should have a file of the version THAT NEVER HAD THESE FUCKING PROBLEMS

>BUT MUH WOATIONS
fuck off rotations take away from the game and lead to what we have now. I dont want to play a babies first rythem game just to attack. Throwing a fire ball should be as simple as that

it's boring if you look at it from a narcissistic self centric view. watching 40 people send their whatever bolts and swings at a raid boss is fucking epic. youre just 1 gear in the machine ready to fucking annihilate dragons at its leisure.

Not exactly. Vanilla, while relatively casual compared to EQ, is a genuinely good game. That being said, the greatest potential MMO of all time would be essentially WoW vanilla and Ultima Online combined.

You made the mistake of thinking zoom zoom trannies even look at bosses in their game. They don't; the screen is flooded with trans glam light shows the entire time anyways, and mechanics are usually non-existent, so it's more about them optimizing their spot on the DPS charts. Gotta impress their e-GF(male).

>Not exactly
But it is exactly that. A casual version of previous MMORPG.

classic wow will be fun. Just avoid racist nazi guilds like DANKK BUDZ COLLECTIVE

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Tell me RIGHT NOW why you aren't rolling with DBC, three times back to back KT champs.

I see this thread got posted on some epic discord

I remember when cross faction talking would get you banned.

Nowadays with strraming that's not really possible. But I know community-wise the game suffers from it.

I heard they couldnt even kill the first 5 mobs in Naxx

I lost all hope because of layering.

Based Esfand.

Hey yo, lil' zoom here. Ayo did game be ol' n' shiiiiiiet.

And EQ and a casual version of previous MMO. Who cares? Also, there is a reason EQ is dead whereas people fought tooth and nail to play WoW vanilla again.

Final fantasy 14 doesn't even have wpvp.
Going to be completely honest, if you're playing a mmorpg that has no wpvp, I automatically assume you're a fucking faggot. No exceptions.
I realize wpvp is dead in BFA as well before you drop your hot-take on that. BFA is also for faggots.

I was ruining your dad's gaming career in ultima online in 1997 and I'm going to ruin your life in STV in ~50 days. Eat shit, fat nerds.

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>Vanilla
>S
lmao

>Tbc is the best one
no
>current Retail almost has too much to do
and none of them are meaningful

>and none of them are meaningful
Which I also said.

>Being a weeb
>On Yea Forums
This website is a weeb website, the fact you post here makes you more of a weeb than a normal person. Hell you've been exposed to more anime and weebshit than ironic weebs have

forgot to say karazhan was a top tier 10 man because it was originally a vanilla raid before being postponed and tweaked for tbc

Jokes on you, my life never had meaning.

>that video is 2 months old
Time flys

>2012
that was basically "5 years ago" when that video got made as tbc was around 2007. Now it's 7 years ago that that very video was made.

I'm nearing 30 and can't believe how time can fly so fast, yet so slow as it did back in the 2000's. Yes i know about time perception as you age, but still... fuck man

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I mean i play retail 30 days at a time, then i quit till the next patch, so i only sub around 3 times a year and classic wont keep me subbed when theres games like death stranding and shit on the way

Probably the reason why the raid was so good, since they had so much time making it. Sadly, most vanilla raids were boring to me, but that might be because I farmed them back when it didn't take 20 minutes to do it like today. . MC made me go AFK at times while putting myself on follow on someone else except on Geddon.
At least they are not releasing the patch where paladins only had the single target 5 minutes buff. I think my guild's best time in MC was between 50-60 minutes without splitting.

Great if people enjoys vanilla. Personally, I don't want to go back to that state of WoW. But I also don't want the current one. So I did the only thing I could do and quit the game all together.

Isn't it just for launch to prevent quests in starting zones from being near impossible to complete due to tons of players tagging mobs?

Yeah. It's either sharding or, like they did at release, dynamic spawning.

TBC was just hands down the best expansion pack.

>like they did at release, dynamic spawning
What is this revisionist history nonsense?
2004 launch was a clusterfuck. Some servers were down for an entire week. Even mainstream news sites were reporting on the "failure" of the hyped online game.
I was playing SWG at the time and everyone was declaring WoW d.o.a. due to it.

There weren't clogged starter zones. It wasn't like a private server launch. It was people trickling in, getting disconnected every few minutes, repeat repeat. Lag spikes, rollbacks, etc.
Servers weren't stable for awhile after launch.
There is no actual chaotic launch memories. Zoomers barking about that are talking about private servers because they are too young to know what actually happened.

Obviously they got shit sorted out and the game did fine and then more than fine, but for a game that was as hyped as it was (even advertisement trailers in fucking movie theatres for months before launch) it was immediately considered a massive fucking trainwreck. Think tortanic except far less memes because you niggers couldn't afford to pay for SA forums.

In addition, the answers aren't merely "sharding/layering or dynamic spawning" you redditor fuck. Stop parroting. They could also, you know, do the sensible thing by having more than enough servers and then merging them later. However we all know the real reasons they're avoiding that: cost and the negative perception of merging. Launch is going to have a fuckload of tourists, a lot aren't going to stick around.

in closing, fuck you.

You're the reason why all gaming is dead

Lol you dont have a clue

According to that developer diary, they used dynamic respawn during the release of vanilla if I remember correctly.
I didn't start playing right at the release, so I might be wrong.

Arena was amazing and the PvP balance was almost spot on in terms of fun factor, but as someone who played TBC for years I think everything else kinda sucked

I thought game needed gameplay. If all you want to do is pressing one button to do damage, you might as well work in a factory. It's just as fun, but you get paid by being in the factory working.

Asmongold ruined WoW Classic. 100% serious. Asshole needs to take some responsibility with the amount of power he has. Pretty sure he is a legit sociopath though, and doesn't care about other people an ounce. There's a reason why he sat in his disabled mom's attic in a pile of filth and mold for 10 years never getting a job, had all of his teeth rot out, and still decided to do nothing about it.

dilate

The virgin nu-"M"MORPG player.

The chad MMORPG player.

Humans are the best race! Lets all be human!

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>RIO for classic
This WILL happen.

The boomers coming back with old friends have no idea who Asmongold is.
We can consider the streamer-influencer-beta to be a kind of failed experiment but it's clear what blizz was going for: they have a built-in audience for classic in the returning players. What they don't have are the zoomers which are the primary demographic that follow streamer faggots and especially Asmongold.

>The virgin sameposter

I'm gonna try it for a month
But I already have a sub with FFXIV so I don't know if I'll stay subscribed to both
But I do know that, at the very least, I'll try it out. Mainly because I've never played it before.

If you don't play this way then your probably a degenerate fucking elf and they can all go fucking die for all I care. I'm glad all their cities and stupid trees burn, they deserve it for fucking everything up extra hard. Every other race is just as bad. Only they find slightly less disappointing ways to do it. Orcs are the exception to this. Dirty fucking greenskins need to be strung up in large numbers.

>faggotfantasy XIV
Fuck off weeb

Can I get a QRD on what the fuck this is?
It's just the old version on official servers? That's it?
Just set up a private server with the old version! 12 year olds can do that.

>Can I get a QRD on what the fuck this is?
This isn't askjeeves you fat dork. Fuck off.

Every article Google gives me describes it in such a vague way that I can't tell if it's literally just the old version with the same content or if they added anything.

fuck off tranny

lmao Horde 4 lyfe

Undead male is an original race though

Where do you think we are?

I'm serious. Look at this shit. This is their official website.
Would it have fucking killed them to clearly describe what it is? A "faitful recreation" could be a lot of things. It could even be a fucking remake in a new engine with completely rewritten code.
I don't follow this shit and it shouldn't be this hard to find confirmation on it.

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What is sharding?

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BTFO.

>this is what trannies actually look like

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>Has seen a tranny irl

You're gay by default

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Okay, I will assume you are actually retarded and not baiting.
It is a recreation of 1.12 WoW on modern engine with modern B.Net features while using database and mechanics of 1.12 WoW. They are doing gated content release with 6 phases. We don't know what we will get after said phases but the most likely scenario is TBC and WoTLK after that.

The most faithful recreation for the original wow is only possible by blizzard themselvess or someone who owns a time traveling device. Private servers are either corrupt (pw2 fuckery) or get shut down by blizz. Blizz does get most things right tho. However, they do add 'sharding', which creates artificial clusters in zones where you can't see everyone (otherwise it gets too crowded). This isn't real vanilla because it wasnt there back in ~2005.

There are many things that make or break the game in terms of having a faithful recreation. Blizz does get the most aspects right tho.

>tfw one of my friends who was, of course, a closet furry previously becomes a tranny
It was sad. They have a son from a old relationship and the mom is just as deranged. Now the tranny friend lives in a van and is a disgusting sack of shit. Turns 30 in a year and a half so suicide is just around the corner..

they are releasing a legacy realm for classic and basically rolling back 15 years of cancer that has accumulated and bloated the game.

I already know where you're going with this:
>but why since pservers do the same thing?
First, they don't. They are inaccurate.
Second and more important to most people - pservers are corrupt and shady filled with cheating (mostly enabled by the devs/gms) and exist to sell gold. They also run the risk of vanishing overnight.
This doesn't mean every private server is satan or that people who play on them can't afford to pay for official, but there are good arguments for wanting something that won't go away and isn't illegal, working anti-cheat, working customer service that doesn't involve catching a lisping slovakian online in discord and sucking his dick, and not having your throwaway email sold to chinks.

No thanks. I dont want to waste my time grinding through a nostalgia engine that I've already played through. I think instead I'll stop giving blizzard money until something worthwhile comes along.

:(

>Arena was amazing and the PvP balance was almost spot on

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I've only ever played a bit of Legion so I'm quite the newfag and I plan on playing classic quite a bit
I'm huge on OSRS, so if the team can put something together that's as involved with the community as Jagex did, the game will succeed

How is something worthwhile going to come about if you won't fund its development?

Thank you, but why does that make me a retard? I just don't follow this too closely and every news feed and search engine result list is littered with vague as fuck articles copying the same vague as fuck press release and ultimately explaining nothing. But you did help so I'll proceed to leave now.
Meh, I only ever played in nice private servers with great moderator teams, so I never encountered that or negative impacts of cheaters. But I can see how that can be an issue.

I know two people IRL that fall into the tranny memes /vg/ perpetuates and it's pretty fucking funny. They're nice dudes but it's silly how sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason.
>be 2005ish, two friends insist on playing females in every online game, first in galaxies and then in WoW
>some other friends make fun of them, they give the cliche answer "lol who wants to look at dude ass all night while im grinding bro?"
>we all give it a rest because we don't actually care, it's just fun to bug them
>most quit playing during tbc or wrath, one of the female-playing friends sticks around, we find out later he xfers to moon guard and we have suspicions on his behavior but don't care enough to call him out
>flash forward to now
>one of them came out as gay a few years ago, is now happily married to a dude and they moved to another state. We still play games in steam sometimes, his husband is chill but kind of obnoxiously swishy. It's whatever tho.
>the other female-character-playing buddy came out as trans last year, is now living full time as a female. No hormones, just crossdressing and long hair (sometimes a wig). Still a good guy but clearly mentally ill and very promiscuous so others in our old friend group get worried from time to time. Don't see him often anymore but he's not far away geographically.

What sucks is the trans friend's version of acting like a female is either wildly sexual or acting dumb and cunty with mood swings. It's like his entire perception of females is from porn and his own failed relationships, but that's armchair psychology and I'm not smart enough to know what's really going on.

Because it doesn't have to be Blizzard.
I'm tired of giving them money for subpar games.

Unironically me.

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>I only ever played in nice private servers with great moderator teams
lol
name them so i can tell you how you're stupid

Making things needlessly complicated doesnt improve gameplay. Infact it takes me out of it. Imagine if in mario you had to input the konami code just to jump for the reason that pressing a was just too simple

To put it bluntly in retail you cant just fireball a dude

And the game doesn't begin and end on killing bosses. You fucking retard.

I'm not saying you need overly complicated controls nor mechanics. But at least something more than what early to mid vanilla had.
Personally, I think TBC had the perfect mesh for some classes and bosses.

I don't know how you got to that conclusion from what I wrote.

Retribution paladin spotted. Everyone thinks you're a joke, by the way

No. I've come to the conclusion that although I did enjoy WoW for what it was growing up and had a lot of fun I want to make new memories and experience different games not live in the past and XIV has been giving that and more.

>hurrr shill

alot of people missed 1.0 wow, they will dip in and check it out in between retail splurges. They are staggering patches so that there is alwayas something new in wow.

>I don't know how you got to that conclusion from what I wrote.
>complains that rotations are one button
>conveniently ignores every other aspect of the game aside from killing bosses that doesn't bog down to pressing one button
I wonder how indeed. PvE is just for gear anyway, since it's way easier and less time consuming to raid for 3 hours per week than to poopsock for 12 hours daily for 3 months.

>1.0
I know what you mean, but my inner autism want to say you're completely wrong they'll play it since it is 1.12.

in wow its possible to make one button macros using an addon, if ffxiv had that i would probably play it for a bit. Ive tried making one button macros for ffxiv but the rotations are too intricate for me to make a good one button macro.
inb4 some tard asks whats the point of playing if you just use 1 button. Thats just the rotation. You still have cooldowns, interrupts, stuns, cc, whatever else stuff your class has, positioning, if youre tanking you gotta place the mobs right and so on. There are a lot of shit to do outside of just the rotation

The game was primarily a PvE game, so no wonder. Classic won't even have battlegrounds until later.

You know, I often play female characters, just because they're hot. Suffice to say, I'm definitely straight, but I think the difference between my mentality and the trannies is this. I view the character as a puppet, an entity I have control over, basically a hot chick I can make do whatever I want. Whereas the trannies self-insert into the character "omg she literally looks just like me!".

Unsurprisingly, I always play male characters in DnD, where I do self insert and have to heavily roleplay the character.

>Sharding
Server tech that splits people in the same area (such as a town or questing area) into separate instances of those regions. Used in retail WoW and has a limit in the dozens to hundreds range. So you might have a few dozen people in Northshire 1, a few dozen in Northshire 2, etc. despite playing on the same server. If you get invited by a friend or something to a group on a different shard, you move to that shard. If you've played any MMO with a channel system, it's kinda like that. Not to be confused with...

>Cross Realm Zoning
Another tech used in Retail, this allows people from other servers to be grouped into your shard. Basically it means that your server is meaningless for world content. Often confused with sharding, but it's a separate entity. The two combined however are responsible for the common complaint with Retail of lack of community and socialization because not only are you separated from other people in the same zone due to sharding, the people you are grouped with aren't even from your server and you'll likely never see them again. These are both exclusive to Retail, but the controversy around Classic is due to...

>Layering
This is a variation on sharding they've implemented for Classic. Basically, it's continent wide sharding, so instead of having Northshire intances, Stormwind instances, Elwynn instances, etc., you have Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms and that's it. The numbers of people allowed in each layer match the scale, so while a shard is dozens of people, a layer can be thousands of people. Also, there's no cross realm anything, so all the people you're layered with or can be layered with are from your server. They've also said layering will be temporary, and removed before the transition to Phase 2 when they add Dire Maul and World Bosses.

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fire mage actually
resilience and godmode resto+slsl killed any crit based spec and any amount of fun
let's turn 30 second blazing fast engagements into 30 minute pillar humping
great idea, that'll be an e-sport in no time!

>tfw I actually watched TBC arena on TV on ESPN
They really tried to make it an esport.

yeah, I wasn't trying to say that everyone who plays a female character in video games is trans or even anything other than straight. Just amusing to me that sometimes the cliche is spot on.
For me, if it matters, i always play male but i also fall into the "boring characters" stereotype. Love human or orc warriors, paladins or clerics in D&D, favorite race in any game is dwarf.

Only mildly interesting, but from my time on private servers, i've encountered so many dudes playing females "for the animations" that also end up causing drama with discord jacking off with other guys that i suspect that its less of a "gay dudes play female characters" thing and more of a "gay dudes are drawn to free online games where they can meet other young horny dudes" thing. And that goes double for anyone unlucky enough to play an online game with /vg/.
I could give a shit what they do but it feels pretty cringe to mix your vidya activities with jacking off, but then again maybe im just too boring.

considering rolling paladin cause i like being a useful support class. and my buddy is going mage so i want to use different gear than him. how do pallys make gold? i was horde back in the day so i know very little about playing a pala

DME Lasher runs, DMN Hyena runs and selling herbs. Would work with Mage

Farming or professions.
You'll have no problem as a paladin making gold. Anyone who says you will is a dipshit. You can farm in literally any spec.
When DM is out you can 2man dm:e for arcane crystals.
You can get a tank friend and run strat live and reserve the orbs.
You can aoe farm.

No matter what class you are, fishing is a potential gold mine. Winter Squid is the end of September, about a month after launch. It's easy gold with the drawback that it's insanely boring.

You'll use different gear. You'll use a lot of plate especially while leveling, whereas he uses cloth. It's also nifty because you can use cloth, leather, mail AND plate. Whatever has the stats you need.

dm not in the game on release but lasher farm sounds good

I was extremely hyped for this game at one point. I constantly checked the forums for updates and I was posting in every single HOME thread for a while.
But then the beta happened
>Sharding up the ass and the abuse that it enables
>spells clearly not working or looking as they should
>Melee/spell leeway being beyond broken
>spell batching implemented in a pants-on-head retarded way
>1.12 AV
>1.12 itemization from the start
>developers clearly showing favoritism towards streamers
>leftover code from the legion client that the devs won't bother to fix
>Dungeons are way easier than what videos from 2005 are showing
>right click reporting
I was foolish to put faith in nu-blizz. When they said that backporting the old 1.12 client would be too hard, that was a straight-up lie. They just wanted to use the Legion client to shill their battlenet nonsense.

Prior to DM, just farm herbs

what profs would you recommend? i'd probably go skinning and either mining/herb, then drop skinning at 60 and use all the saved up herbs/ore to lvl like alchemy or bs or something

yeah you can still sneak 1 hour per weekend when your saggy roastie wife isn't nagging at you and your shitty kids aren't shitting all over the house, what a joy man!

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>leftover code from the legion client that the devs won't bother to fix
What? In a hastily put together beta you say?
Of course they are going to fix something that simple

>fire mage

Even worse. You did low-skill pyroblast shit. Just go Frost if you want to crit; shatter made it guaranteed even with resilience.

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The biggest offender is the 400ms artificial spell batching. It looks and feels awful.

which race is the best?

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Is supposed to be a MMORPG, not a MMO action game. Autistic rotations are just choring. And you won't play MMORPGs, the most casual genre, for the challenge, right?

I just want WotLK back.

>And you won't play MMORPGs, the most casual genre, for the challenge, right?
Maybe if you only play three genres.

(((funklestein)))

Try to name a more casual genre than MMORPGs, retard.

saw sharding
saw streamers
no fucking way im playing this shit game ifthere's gonna be 5000 people in a zone because Muh streamer
you couldnt stream vanilla private
that was the fucking point
streamers have ruined vanilla for me and all of my friends
not exciting anymore
its gonna be bullshit

Puzzle games.

>Thank you, but why does that make me a retard?

It doesn't. There used to be multiple threads per day a few months ago, nowadays most people who visit these threads are either those who lived under a rock or a bunch of sad individuals trying to shit up the atmosphere.

actually a based and redpilled post ITT
BLIZZDRONE DEFEND THIS SHIT

Puzzle games PvP is more hardcore and skill dependent than MMOs. Most "hardcore" raiders won't last 10 rounds in Tetris world championship.

Maybe idle games are more casual than MMORPGs. I'll add Visual Novels, but the reading comprehension level of these young adult stuff is over the average MMORPG mouthbreather player.

And somehow retards who never played vanilla defend it. Funny how that works.

That's not what we were talking about. Just because less than the top 1% of players play on a godly level, doesn't mean the genre is more hardcore than a MMORPG.

And what's "hardcore" about MMOs? Puzzle games require skill to progress. If you aren't aiming to be "the 1%" on MMOs, what's the skill involved? Playing more time?

even ASSFAGGOT like Dota is way harder than any MMOSHIT. stop deluding yourself nigger

>And what's "hardcore" about MMOs?
Nothing, but we were talking about more casual genres, and puzzle games are one of them.

I agree, but that's not what we were talking about. We were talking about me giving the person one genre more casual than MMORPG.

I hate his fucking face and I hate that youtube keeps shoving it into mine.
Watch a few madseasonshow vids about classic and
>HEY DONT YOU WANT TO WATCH THESE FIFTY ASMONGOLD REACTS VIDEOS?
FUCK
OFF

I can't clear a puzzle game by being AFK. I could "complete" all BfA content being AFK.

Just let your friend finish the puzzle for you. That's pretty much what you're implying you're doing in WoW.

But I can't let my friends to the puzzles for me in Tetris. That won't be me playing. Being AFK or half AFK while watching a movie counts as playing your poorly excuse of game.

>right click reporting

Not in the game any more.

>Dungeons are way easier than what videos from 2005 are showing

You're basing this off of people wearing literally BIS items doing developers clearly showing favoritism towards streamers

What example can you provide that would be relevant for Classic release? The tournament was a mess but getting rid of the one tauren obscuring others was a legit move, same faction griefing was always bannable. Note that they didn't do shit when Alliance decided to crash the rest.

>Sharding up the ass and the abuse that it enables

It's getting fixed, isn't it? I absolutely hate it but hey, maybe it'll work out, especially if the game has a huge first wave that gets normalised later.

>1.12 AV

Should've brought up xrealm BGs. I'm not a fan of both decisions but getting casuals to do BGs is a difficult task, premades chase off literally everyone without a group.

>spell batching

They definitely overdid it. Hopefully they can tweak that shit. Also, should've mentioned leeway as it's just as frustrating to ranged classes.

>spells clearly not working or looking as they should

Examples? I'm genuinely curious.

Myself, I lost much of the hype because of the late release but I'm still looking forward to the game.

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I've never said BfA was good. I don't even like the game. I just gave you a more casual genre than MMORPG because there are more MMORPGs than WoW.
Stop being so angry about it.

>FF14 has casualized the genre so hard that people think MMO's are the most casual types of games

Fucking hell. I feel betrayed by the world.

Vanilla dungeons was never difficult to begin with.

I would suck her dick, but I wouldn't touch that post-op abomination they call a vagina in my life.

have kids.

I used a popular game, since seems your clueless. So, tell me, which MMORPG requires more skill than, lets say Tetris, to be played casually (since you said the top competitive players somehow don't count). The skill floor is way higher in puzzle games, since you need to look at the screen while you play.

>being that piece of shit faggot who greentext quotes people's entire posts and addresses them point by point

Fucking obnoxious, really hate people like you

he means hope and potential

I'm going to ask the real question: when is TBC Classic releasing?

those fucking gums, are those dentures?

>options are Acti-Shit, weebshit, or cashgrabshit
let this genre die already, you are beaten housewives

>not beating your housewife

>since seems your clueless
I'm not gonna fall for your insult.

I'm fairly sure a tetris player won't be able to play on a top "competitive" level in even WoW without practice, just like the top wow player won't be able to play tetris without practice.
There is more to the a MMORPG, like WoW, than just doing WQ despite popular beliefs.
BUT
>The skill floor is way higher in puzzle games
I agree on this. But only a few puzzle games has this kind of skill ceiling. Not every puzzle game is Tetris either. I personally think MMORPGs has in general higher skill ceiling than puzzle games, since most of them just requires decent cognitive thinking. Not every puzzle game is a tetris game.

>can name a single example
OK.