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They're reusing their excuses from LGPE, that's for sure
What's the point if it looks the exact same?
All that time could've been used for other stuff. Good job, GF.
>Th-they're different models I swear
>What do you mean they look exactly the same in every which way?
>what do you mean we wasted our time making essentially the exact same models?
>trannygon
>linking polygon
Discord tranny detected
Why are you linking to oneangrygam- ohhh it polygon. Then it's ok.
Loving every laff
So they are either lying or absolutely incompetent. Why defend this?
Either way it makes game freak look totally incompetent, you have a chance to improve models when you remake them and it comes out as the same quality as your 3DS ones
>no, x is not y
is it me or do they use this format a lot fof theur headlines?
>linking to polygon
Kill yourself tranny
*for their
i'm on a switch rn. i'm not drunk.
Wasn't this a total lie some Twitter shill came up with? If it's true it's actually worse since it means the Brain trust over at Gamefreak make "future proof" models that lagged the shit out of the 3DS then once they finally got to a system that could use them properly they threw them in the garbage and had to cut content to remake them. Absolutely genius
>linking polygon
go back leddit faggot
>REEEE I WANT MY NATIONAL DEX. I CAN TELL THEY'RE THE SAME POKEMON FROM THE 3 MINUTES OF FOOTAGE WE HAVE, MY DAD TOLD ME SO. REEEE GIVE ME MY NATIONAL DEX
You know they'd put the fucking national dex in the game if they had the assets, you faggots seriously just need to shut the fuck up.
I don't know, there was a comparison image of gigalith last month and it was the exact same but the colors were a bit brighter.
Why the hell would they remake the models when they specifically made them with the purpose of never having to remake them anyway? Lying through their teeth aren't they?
>Actually defending Gamefreak
I wouldn't even mind the Dex culling if they put some fucking effort into the things that count, like the environment and, I don't know, new ANIMATIONS? Fuck you and your complacency. Fuck you. Yes I'm seething.
They should just go back to sprites, would anyone really complain aside from people who would just play the game for a week?
>directly linking polygon
fucking newfags
They do have the assets as I doubt they did actually remake the models, and even if they did they could just use the same models and touch them up next game.
Nintendo paid PR to be sure
Game Freak is lying.
Someone on /vp/
>>Dude did you even read the article? The source is a twitter user who found a post on reddit about a Nintendo Everything article summarizing a Siliconera translation of a Famitsu article from a few weeks back, pretty sure it's legit
>They reused the same models from the 3DS games and yet somehow can't be assed to port half of them over
>They made future proof models that lagged the fuck out of the 3DS for the sole purpose of porting them to the next system so they'd never have to cut pokemon and when the time comes they don't actually do that, remake the models and have to cut Pokemon so they can get the game out on time
It's one of the two, pick which you think makes your shilling look slightly less retarded.
I fucking hate that I want this to flop hard. I love this series
Can't wait for the datamine to show that they're using the same exact models from XY, ORAS, SM, USUM, and LGPE.
Who's the one that makes all these retarded Nintendo decisions?
yes, we want the series we love to improve, rather than enabling it to become shit. your point?
>nintendo
you mean gamefreak?
>Nintendo
Gamefreak. Nintendo has no control over Pokemon, they just print the cartridges and book airtime for directs.
>Game Freak comes up with the most stupid lie ever conceived by a video game developer
>Polygon trannies actually eat it up
I'm both impressed and disgusted at the same time.
>there are people who, despite ALL this shit, are STILL going to buy these games
Based dicksucker
>tank performance on your last 3DS titles to make high poly 3d models with animations including unused walk and run animations for every single pokemon in addition to introducing an online banking system in order to make future development easier since you now have "future proof" assets you can recycle; a fact stated by the devs years ago
>claim instead that you threw all of those out and redid the work because people called you out for half assing the new game.
I'm more than positive Nintendo has an influence in the development of Pokemon games.
Every new lye Gamefreak say make them look worse and worse at their job instead of giving plausible excuses.
People bought XY and SM.
>unironic link to polygon
so you're a tranny or a confused 10 year old
Proof? Sounds like fucking damage control
>No we no have old models
>We new models from scratch, they just exactly like old models
Those games at least had some redeeming qualities compared to this dumpster fire.
I mean to be fair they're so goddamn incompetent I wouldn't be surprised if they did in fact lose and recreate everything
post the vid of wingull flying
That's exactly the argument I use as to why I'm NOT buying this one.
Don't ask questions just consume product and get excited for next product
Commie trannies are hilariously enough the perfect mindless consumers
>defending single digit fps double battles
They absolutely do not. And most they might be able to set deadlines. They actually wanted to not control it for fear that it would consume the entire company. They can't even get Pokemon into crossovers without a massive fight despite owning a 3rd of the rights.
There were some stupid ass contracts signed long ago giving Gamefreak way too much power, with the Pokemon company getting control of everything that isn't a mainline game.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
OH WAIT THEY'RE SERIOUS
OOOOH NONONONO
Not really no
No Patrick, Mayonnaise is not a pokemon
Yeah the models are made from scratch just like how Sakurai made everyone from scratch for Ultimate. That's why if Wolf has an item in his hand he reverts to his brawl idle animation, clearly a reference.
Developers fucking lie all the time and anyone who even can believe its real for a second is a retard.
>Switch Lite get launched in the same year as new Pokemon games are due to release
I agree with you. It's likely why Sword/Shield got rushed development time and many issues rather than delay it like Animal Crossing did.
The worst part about this is that it makes them look even more incompetent. What the fuck were they thinking.
>dont worry everyone, we were just busy wasting our time!
And that's a good thing
I thought Nintendo had more competent devs. But I guess Nintnedo is just as Jewish as the rest
while not 100% new, samurais wolf was clearly very different
even mario was different compared to his smash 4 version and im not talking about his model but animations
Why the fuck does everyone think Nintendo owns Game Freak? They can do whatever they want, which is why they are making these terrible decisions, they have nobody to put them in place.
Nintendo =/ Gamefreak
And Fire Emblem isn't made by Nintendo just so you know
>posting a link to polygon
Well, when I bought XY, I wasn't aware of how much it would be a disappointment. More a problem of buying early than ignoring a trend.
>people who are complaining are entitled.
Customers ARE entitled. It's one of the few things we're entitled to: not buying products because they're shit. What the fuck do these people think? That we have to buy it because it's what they're selling?
>remake models
>they look the exact same
wow
Make me, Incel
If that's true that's even more retarded
Why is this Gardevoir such a fucking slut?
t. Verisifly or how the fuck ever you spell your shitty name, you furfuck
Additionally, if the 3D games are rendered in HD and have the outlines removed, they literally look exactly the same. Only difference are upgraded textures for the switch games.
>Wasn't this a total lie some Twitter shill came up with?
No. This is from the Famitsu article. famitsu.com
今回のことは、増田とともに、かなり協議を重ねました。『ポケットモンスター サン・ムーン』の時点でも、(すべてのポケモンを連れてこられるようにすることは)実際はなかなか厳しい状況だったのですが、ハードがNintendo Switchになって、モデルを最初から作り直すことになり、何かしらの選択をしなければならないと。
tj;dr Ohmori says in no uncertain terms that they had to remake the models from scratch once they did the shift into Switch, and that it was going to happen sooner or later, and that it was already difficult to have all Pokemon as early as S&M.
I don't care about the implications of this but a lot of people have been pointing out "dur it's a mistranslation / made up quote". It's not. Make of that what you will.
This. If they aren't using the same models then that makes this even worse.
Go back to twitter Joe.
dex cutting would have been fine if animations were nicer and the some minimal effort was put onto world textures.
we arent getting anything by losing all pokemons.
this is just a lazy dev plus the the fact that they have to meet a strict deadline and dont even bother to do a crunch for such a deadline.
The thing about the models is that literally every situation makes gamefreak look retarded
>GameFreak is so incompetent they couldn't port over future proof models and had to start from scratch
>GameFreak is too lazy to port over already existing models
>GameFreak made new models just because
>They're the same models but GameFreak is lying
>And most they might be able to set deadlines.
This is the real problem anyway, and it's more likely a problem coming from TCPI's end, since they can't delay the games without delaying everything else, and everything else(really mostly the merchandise) makes more money than the games. And well, money is money.
en.wikipedia.org
Seriously the merchandise is getting bigger and bigger by the year.
The last time the games were delayed was for Gold and Silver and it was an absolute disaster for everyone and everything, so much that it was the reason why they had to create the pokemon company in the first place really. Since then, not a single game has ever been delayed.
>There were some stupid ass contracts signed long ago giving Gamefreak way too much power,
Any proof because from what I read, it would actually the complete opposite. GameFreak was like 10 guys in a garage, Nintendo was NINTENDO. Hence why nintendo own the trademarks and everything important
It's almost as if growlithe is supposed to look a certain way!
If they ripped it from the 3DS then it's lazy, if they remade the model due to being unable to port the 3DS one, it's incompetence AND lazy.
Those...actually do look different in a few areas though, the eyes are curved differently near the top, the fluff of fur on the chest is shaped a bit different, the hair on top of the head is a different height/width, the nose is more round on one.
They look almost exactly the same, mind you, so I don't see the point in what they did to redo them. I think they just know EXACTLY what they want each pokemon to look like now so no matter what they will look the same forever
muh ship of theseus
ou know they'd put the fucking national dex in the game if they had the assets
Nigger, what was
>Pokemon Gen 6
>Pokemon ORAS
>Pokemon Gen 7
>Pokemon LGPE
They had these assest for YEARS. No, the models they had was over high detailed because they were FUTUREPROOFED and claimed to be so since Gen 6 because "le 3D is hard - GF", hence why X/Y lagged like hot garbage. Either they had them and are incompetent to have to do them all over again or they never did futureproof them and I'm going to wonder why the last 4 games lagged like shit whenever Pokemon was on screen, aka, them being incompetent
>you faggots seriously just need to shut the fuck up.
Cope and get fucked. You're the bitch ass nigger around here.
GameFreak is lying
Pokemon is dying
Pidgey is Frying
Even if they did remake the models it's still a shitty excuse. "B-but it takes development time", well you're a MULTIBILLION FUCKING DOLLAR franchise so either hire more people or delay your game.
>redditor misquotes a nintendoeverything summary
>polygon picks it up as real journalism without validating his claims
I'M FUCKING SICK OF THIS SHIT
they talked about graphics work related to dynamaxing but no one read the article so it doesn't FUCKING matter
Watch this guy be banned.
>People bought XY
First time bias. Everyone ignores the first time unless it was pure Bubsy tier hot garbage
It was Sun and Moon were people should have noticed, but blame corporate cocksuckers. Most of this site's users didn't buy it, just pirated it hence all the screenshots of the game are with an emulator.
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Sycamore's theme is fucking sick and don't you fucking forget it.
It wasn't models, it was the lazy reusing of animations. Dumbass Polycucks.
>literally proven to be the same skeletons and models, even reusing animations
>would be impossibly hard to recreate these for every pokemon without any visible differences
>"no it's all new"
>gaming journalists eat this up
Enough people have painstakingly compared the models enough times to know that either A. Game Freak is lying through their teeth and blatantly ported the models over, or B. Game Freak spent too much time trying to make the new models more or less identical to the old ones, which has never happened before and would also be a massive waste of time when they could have easily ported them over.
Ohmori and Masuda need to go.
Why do they keep publishing this shit claim? It's not true, and it's not even what he said in the interview. He was much more vague when he just mentioned having to redo models.
it would be near impossible to have frame perfect models and skeletons and animations for 100+ characters recreated from scratch.
That's like saying "no we didn't just remaster this animated movie for bluray, we hand animated it the exact same all over again"
I really like Snowbelle theme.
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How is it possible to recreate the exact model twice with no noticeable difference?
Maybe GF is a lot more competent than you think Yea Forumsros. I mean, I couldn't even do that.
I don't know what anyone is talking about.
Sword & Shield look great!
Is there a way to remove Polygon from the internet? How the FUCK can you be this blatantly wrong all the time? How is it possible to lack critical thinking this much?
Not displaying your battery percentage?
What an animal.
not just 1 model twice, hundreds of models twice with 0 imperfections.
it's sad that a mobile game that I never even heard of has better presentation than the mainline game
It doesn't take an expert. These formats are standardized for a reason. Gamefreak is lying. How do you think people rip models and shove them in to 3D porn so easily.
Look how lively the mythicals are.
So they're just blatantly lying? Is that even legal?
its called be a leftist
You forgot
>Game Freak made new models that look exactly the same as the old models instead of making better models
Kotaku are also leftists and even they don't consistently fuck up as often as Polygon.
Exactly, mate.
I would kill my boss right on the spot if I ever got assigned to this task.
But seriously though is it really just Polygon pulling shit out of it's ass again? I mean, what they claimed GF did is impossible, IMPOSSIBLE.
>Resetera
Go back
The tail, though. And the fur on the chest is slightly different.
Holy shit is that what Doom Desire looks like? fucking rad
Games news sites don't hire experts they hire people who can write an article.
A lot of them are just journalism majors who wanted a steady paycheck.
They have no idea how models work or animation. They just see blind faith in developers as the high ground because developers have to be experts and can't just lie.
Polygon isn't claiming anything, they're reporting on what GF said on the famitsu interview.
OHNONONONONO
Here are three options another user listed out in a previous thread:
>1.We lied about models being futureproof, they lag on 3ds because we are shit
>2.We are lying about remaking the models to damage control the dexit
>3.The models are actually futureproof, but LITERALLY NOBODY at gamefreak knows how to import them
No matter what, it's a poor excuse.
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
>Polygon isn't claiming anything
"specifically refutes"
"meaning the reused-assets rumor is bunk"
Stop defending bad journalism, tranny
To be fair, Sun/Moon was my last shot after X/Y. It at least felt polished unlike X/Y. Haven't bought anything since. I'm not buying Sword/Shield that's for sure.
Polygon is reporting on a tweet based on a reddit thread that posted amateurly translated snippets from a Famitsu interview, where the game director lied about having to redo models for the game
Polygon did no journalistic research on this, they're just spreading whatever information they found on the subject for clicks, be it accurate or not
yes, that's what we call journalism nowadays
the fur is the exact same shape, and the tail is angled differently because it's mid animation
Even if you take the claim at face value. That when they tried to convert the models into the new format, they became corrupted, which would be a better resource investment, developing a conversion tool, or remaking everything from scratch? They're either lazy or incompetent.
No one cares if polygon is shit at reporting. The important part is that GF said that they did redo models on the famitsu interview, and multiple anons have verified this. Whether this is true or not is up for debate.
>automatically believing that something with mountains of statistically-impossible-to-deny evidence is false because the developer said so
If that's not the most obvious sign of incompetent journalism, I honestly don't know what is
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A FUCKING STICKY TO KEEP POKESHIT OUT OF HERE
YOUR CONTAINMENT BOARD IS POKEBABIES
GO
>ignoring all evidence
>"Im sorry for trying to look for the logic and the facts..."
every time
>and multiple anons have verified this
Nobody has been able to verify this. Stop defending this shit.
Obvious lie, corporations aren't your friend.
Can't they be both?
I've verified it
source: dude trust me
>MUH BIGGEST ENTERTAINMENT FRANCHISE ON THE PLANET LACKS THE RESOURCES FOR A COMPLETE GAME.
>He STILL plays pokemon
I’m sorry if this triggers someone but i honestly want to know, why?
Have you seen the replies on the Pokemon twitter, so many retards calling people angry about the state of this franchise entitled babies and they hope the complete dex never comes back to spite them.
He is, but he's looking for "logic" and "facts" that confirm his opinion, and he isn't finding shit
You're right, it occurred to me that the slight variances in the fur shape would be from the 3DS' low resolution affecting the outline.
Who cares. Don't harass devs on twitter, but, don't stand for how shitty this game looks to be either
It's a handheld team making their first console game way too late in the game, its gonna be dog shit
Pokemon has needed a shake up for a LONG time, I hope this is what gives it to it
People were forgiving about XY as all the dev time had to be spent on those models and they made it so much easier to raise competitive Pokemon so people went on remaking shit. ORAS taunting people with the fucking statue is when it got bad.
Every single time growlithe gets a new sprite it looks different.
If gamefreak have the opportunity to 'remake' the model why the fuck would you make it the same polygon per polygon? Fuck off.
never used a archive site before but this should work
archive.fo
Are you saying that nobody in Yea Forums is autist enough to know how to read moonrunes?
You know I've realized something, when Game Freak is saying they are making the best animations they have ever done, they are not lying. Game Freak was not the ones who made the Stadiums, the GCN games, or even Revolution. So yeah, this IS there best, it just sucks horribly when compared to Nintendo EAD, HAL Labs, and Sonority
...and it's beautiful
Less "autistic" and more "dedicated"
yet
Yeah, dedicated at being a massive weeb autist
>the biggest enterntaiment franchise in the world worth over one hundred billion dollars make phone game tier circa 2012 tier video games
>and “people” will still eat it up
They’re only doing this because the consumers let them, and why wouldn’t they, who wouldn’t want to make billions of dollars on braindead shit eating retards?
>Go through a bit of manic-depression and end up buying up all the games to play through all of them
>Start playing Soul Silver
>Day/Night cycles
>Genders
>Affections
>Personalities (which arguable is flavored text)
>Gym and rival battles are legitimately hard
>Simultaneously playing Ultra Sun in the meantime
>'Oh, well you can take pictures with your Pokemon'
>Can one-shot most of the boss battles
>Obnoxious mini-games
>Cutscenes every five steps you take
Gamefreak has nothing going for them beyond either adding more Pokemon, or revamping the entire game from the ground up. They've plateaued generations ago.
Fuck, I would play an official Pokemon text adventure if it had all of them, hell it'd probably be better quality anyway. The game as it is right now is missing the only thing that kept me playing these games, they're extremely subpar JRPGs without that.
it's not their first console game, they already made LGPE for the Switch
pokemon will only get a shakeup if the games start to sell poorly, which by seeing how many apologists are defending Gamefreak, it won't happen anytime soon
pokemon needs to stop selling Nintendo consoles before it's taken away form Gamefreak's hands
>It's a handheld team making their first console game way too late in the game
But it's not their first console game. You'd expect them to have learned after making Let's Go.
Why did nobody try to make a pokemon clone before? as in, one that isn't a chinese knockoff or a romhack.
How is it possible that this company that owns the most profitable media franchise in history is this fucking incompetent? They could have Rockstar sized teams working on this shit and putting out something with TECHNOLOGY on the level of RDR2 with the amount of money they could throw at this shit.
It still looks like shit in spite of them saying they built it all from scratch.
>Why did nobody try to make a pokemon clone before? as in, one that isn't a chinese knockoff or a romhack.
Are you serious?
>needing to speak Japanese to be a massive weeb autist
My point is that nobody here has the drive to learn a skill
Probably workshopping hundreds of creatures and not having them look like pokemon knockoffs.
Plus people probably think that facing pokemon is an uphill battle at a 90 degree angle.
>is not reusing models
From everything we've seen so far, they are. We know for a fact, 100% undeniably because the files have been ripped, that LGPE uses the USUM models, including the walking animations (ones that were made for all 800+ pokemon I might add). So if LGPE uses them, you're telling me they decided to remake all the models for swsh? I don't buy it, especially given how close they look to existing ones.
>Polygon Article
>Direct link
Enjoy your ban journo
Temtem is coming out this year, I think
also you can't compete with pokemon's popularity
>Why did nobody try to make a pokemon clone before?
Are you underage? There's been tons of pokemon clone games over the years going all the way back to when Pokemon was first released. Pokemon even took pointers from some of them like Yokai Watch's success being the reason for the annoying as fuck Rotom dex in SM.
Pokeclones are a dime a dozen mate, nobody remembers them. And then there's all those moncap games that aren't ripping off Pokemon but Pokemon is so ingrained in people's minds that anything moncap is a Pokemon ripoff to them.
>this is the real problem
It's not though.
GF spend a year on having the Idea guy think up the games locations and "story". then they put their rookie employees on the task of making the entire game.
The 3 year time constraint wasn't the problem. GF making poor use of that time and terrible management of the staff on the game were the problem. Both entirely GF's fault.
Removal of TMs and a break away from the 8 gym leaders and elite 4 formula pushed that game for most people.
You kind of are acting like an entitled baby.
>MUST DEFEND BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION
>a break away from the 8 gym leaders and elite 4 formula
SM broke a way from nothing. Trials are exactly the same as gyms and the elite 4 are still there, just because they changed the names doesn't mean they aren't using the same exact formula.
GONNA CATCH THEM not all because not all of them are in the game
That's a Arcade backed by TPC and has the GF moniker in it.
I'm not giving those faggots clicks, regard.
seems to me like user is acting like a concerned potential consumer
companies aren't entitled to praise and sales
lmao bull fucking shit
AND THAT'S A GOOD THING
since OP is a fag as always
I'm not talking about digishit or whatever, but more like a fangame that's just different enough from pokemon to not get shut down by nintendo.
I can't wait for the datamine to show all the national dex mons programmed into the game. You can bet your sweet ass that they're only doing this to trap people into using Home.
>user is developing critical thinking, and that's a bad thing
So let me get this straight. They make models with absurdly high polycounts which are clearly meant to futureproof them and they just decide for no reason to throw all that work out because why? That makes even less sense than their national dex excuse.
Have sex.
>polyshit
get a clue
It was marketed as such. And to the ignorant consumer and more importantly the standard pokemon consumer. That's all they need.
As seen by rabid pokemon fans jumping to GF side at every waking moment when GF is lying straight to their faces
Dilate
So TemTem. Which looks like it has more effort put into it than the last 6 years of pokemon combined.
>ITS OKAY TO BE AN ENTITLED BABY BECAUSE THE GAME DOESN'T HAVE ALL OF MY FUZZY BABY MONSTERS.
do you guys actually think this way? News flash, that’s capitalism. Complaining about a company and spewing hatred online (when you should be saving your energy for more important things) makes you look like a man child. That’s what all normal girls will think when they look at your social media wining about a baby’s game and it’s missing monsters.
Even Resetera thinks this is bullshit lol
I might be wrong, but isn't temtem backed up by tencent? this instantly makes me suspicious.
Is it just me or did they stop using this as soon as people here started making fun of it?
I don't read "news" so I wouldn't know but if it's real that's a good thing
>>>/reddit/
>JUST START DOING HD SPRITES LOL IT WOULD BE CHEAPER
Fucking imbecile
Pikachu has has 2 models since 2013, one model made for normal encounters and a second one used in LGPE only for the Partner model.
The major difference is the Partner Pikachu has a fully modeled mouth, and more polygons around his cheeks, eyes, and limbs for better animations while the standard encounter model used by every other Pikachu in the game uses a flat texture for the mouth. Because of this we know that the Pikachu in SS is using the old model because he still has the flat thick mouth texture.
>that's capitalism
going out of your way to disappoint your fanbase in hopes to create another Pokemania with zoomers sounds like the opposite of capitalism
Gamefreak has been incompetent and disappointing for years, it's sucks we live in a world where criticism is bad and everyone deserves a pat on the back for anything and everything
I wouldn't be surprised, "journalists" use the chans all the time as a content mill they can bake up some lame outrage with. Just look at the symbiotic relationship between journalists and /pol/.
If that is true then this would be the first time I've heard of it.
By comparison here's Partner Pikachu's mode, the mouth slit on him is much thinner because there is no texture on it since its actually modeled on.
he cute
Or maybe they had an artist look at the old model and recreate it
>capitalism
Stop throwing around words you don't know
Right, because Sun & Moon/Ultra Sun & Moon totally didn't have all the assets enough to have a national dex. Totally not the early signs of GF's incompetence!
Why do people care if the recycle models? The game looks like ass anyways so who cares if they use 10 year old models
Why would they do that?
Why would you recreate a model that is actually worse than the new one you just made?
Why would you recreate models at all if they aren't going to improve them even a tiny bit?
Models don't become incompatible with engine changes or hardware changes, its standard at this point and we know for a fact Gamefreak uses Maya
riveting
Maybe the models were too low poly or gamefreak is just incompetent
The problem is that they claim to use new models at the cost of not having every pokemon programmed in.
If the models were recycled, then there's a lie right there.
If the models were recreated, then why do they even have the same exact animations and why was it necessary.
Nice argument.
>gamefreak cuts half the pokemon, this is a permanent decision, they will not be patched in and future games will follow this rule
>uses the excuse that they want to focus on graphics and animation quality
>but calling the animations shit would be an insult to shit, and the graphics are all reused assets
>except now gamefreak claims they had to remake all the graphics from scratch
>but the reason why the 3DS games ran poorly was they claimed they made all the models futureproof so they could port them to a potential console release
It's really not that complicated, yet somehow this question gets asked all the time. Gamefreak got caught in a blatant lie sacrificing both content and graphics for zero gain.
The models were HD models. They lagged the 3ds because they were too high fidelity for the platform.
I don't think Masuda's physically capable of telling the truth.
They aren't, the Pokemon models are well known for being over poly with most being higher poly than some characters in modern HD games, its why triple battles went away for awhile..
Literally anything is too high fidelity for a 3ds
I don't think anyone cares whether or not they recycle models. GameFreak seem to be either lying or making bizarre and inefficient decisions for the game. I think its the former because the models look identical, so if they remade them from scratch they just wasted a ton of time on resrouces they could have used elsewhere. I could see them revising the models they currently have, but not remaking them from scratch.
Whatever company did the models, Creatures or Game Freak, should have the high-poly sculpts saved somewhere.
They do, even then said models are still in Sun Moon along with all the attack, walking, running, and overworld animations.
TemTem is developed and published by CremaGames, a Spanish team, and it was crowdfunded on kickstarter
I never thought I could hate the Serebii guy, but he literally refuses to see any flaw in his lifeblood. Pokemon is all he has so there's no way it could be bad. It's pathetic really
Wouldn't be the first time a Japanese company doesn't keep source material
You know reusing those 10 billion poly Pokemon models would actually be an easy way to fill out the national de-
>Gamefreak
Oh wait I forgot
So instead of copy and pasting before adding textures, they traced the old models instead of taking time to make new ones for the Switch.
This makes them look worse
Game Freak is obviously lying.
Nintendo needs to take the reins of this franchise.
Its a lie, people translated it as them saying some Pokemon might need to be remodeled for god knows why, but the twitter dude pushing it actually refuses to take down his false translation by saying, Nah its important to let people see the lie first.
The models were made future proof. They were made to be used on the next console.
The mere notation that they would throw them out and make identical models is so far beyond retarded it's unfathomably.
At this point, it's about clearing misinformation so people don't continue to be deluded about Game Freak being a good company
>mfw I pirate Sword on release day
Why would you even consider giving GameFreak any money?
I think i was confusing temtem with hytale, sorry anons.
righties are the same way
First of all, the interview stating that they had to remake all the models is from over a month ago, so Gamefreak has already been bashed for this for over a month on Japanese boards:
-It means that Gamefreak doesn't even practice basic model portability, something every other developer does by second nature, and one of the first thing graphic design students are taught to do
-It means that the new Pokemon models that they created for Nintendo Switch, a piece of hardware several times stronger than the 3DS, are so poor in quality that they are virtually indistinguishable from their 3DS counterparts, right down to the oddly specific graphical errors such as Gyarados's whiskers bending in odd places
So even if we take what Masuda says at face value (unlikely, most Japanese people seem to think Masuda was just talking about problems porting the models, and he just said it in a roundabout way to make things vague since that's what he does), all it does is make Gamefreak look even worse.
Man I just hate how easy it is to disseminate misinformation on Twitter. No one ever takes things down like that unless pressured by a social justice group, there's no way people will take down wrong stuff at the behest of the angry gamers™
It's not entitlement to angry about being sold less for more. Fuck you.
Basically here's whats happened so far
>Gamefreak cuts half of the Pokemon
>excuses being related to balance and animations
>Balance is already fucked because they added in two Pokemon that are the king and queen of stall along with a new gimmick that actually promotes stalling, while Pokemon like Charizard who are actually useless in battle lost their one edge thanks to the cut of Megas
>Animations are not improved with all animations used being from the last game with are the bare minimum very small tweaks that make no difference, and some animations still being broken
>despite cutting 50% of all Pokemon there is also no major leap in visuals with the game looking visually similar to Dragon Quest 8 in both texture quality, model quality, and scope despite being a fucking PS2 game
>still charging $60 for two versions of the same game with them trying to increase the differences to force people to by both, even going so far as to offer preorder bonuses exclusive to various regions with one straight up being get pokemon exclusive to the other version
Why would you consider playing a modern pokemon game?
Same reason all the other grown men on this board still plays this children's hobby.
>all models
Wrong. Misinformation. All models is never stated. Thank you polygon.
Gamefreak talking about balance are not talking about singles Smogon meta, they are talking about in game Pokemon availability and enemy encounter design, and “competitive” Pokémon is doubles.
You think children don't deserve a quality game either?
Thanks, misinformation has been quashed.
In game availability and enemy encounter has nothing to do with balance since regardless of what Pokemon show up in the game you don't have to have them all catchable or in any NPC battles since you can lock them to post or lock them to transfer only, real competitive Pokemon is still a fucking shit show with stall being pushed and teams using the same Pokemon, even when they limit what you can use they still use the same ones. Lets Go is only Melmetal at this point because no gen 1 mon is good enough for comp.
>Gamefreak is now literally LYING to consumers about the content of the game
Isn't this edging close to lawsuit territory?
I'm just really disappointed.
Both balancing the in game encounters and porting more Pokémon take development time, again they are not exclusively referring to competitive balance. It has nothing to do with post game transfer.
>Implying animations and models are the same thing
How does it take more time to port over models and animations that have been done since 2016?
How does balancing in game encounters take more time now than before since they have less Pokemon to work with than Gen 4?
>BrAnD nEw MoDeLs (1).webm
>balancing the in game encounters and porting more Pokémon take development time
then they should have postponed it
what the fuck are you even trying to argue
Ideally yeah but they aren’t allowed to do that because TPC has them by the balls.
Has he been banned yet?
It's 3am, leave me alone
I just wanna shit on gamefreak with everyone else
the ears too.
I mean, it already happened with Smash Bros.
Have Dex
Other way around, Joe got warned for going apeshit on the dude for implying he knows more than him.
This is a service model, not charity. Fuck off.
>You know they'd put the fucking national dex in the game if they had the assets
The fuck do you think they were doing from 2011-2016?
we literally discovered years ago that they made the latest 3ds pokemon models have a retarded amount of polygons to future proof them which caused absurd framedrops too
Are Gamefreak the biggest liars of the gaming industry?
That is some goddamn bullshit and they know it
Is this the new shitposting game since everybody knows the Chinese game just stole its animations? What's next, digimon webms?
Then do it correctly, faggot.
>not the same models
Then that's even fucking WORSE
They had models made in 6th gen to be super high poly, to the point that the 3DS can't handle double battles without dropping frames to the single digits. The whole point was to use them for multiple generations to lighten the workload. Scrapping them and starting over is beyond stupid.
they usually aren't the lying type, mostly just lazy and incompetent
this lying stuff is a new feature for gen 8
IMPOSSIBLE
DELETE THIS
THIS CANNOT BE HAPPENING
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
We had to recreate this animation form a scratch! I swear!!
>They're different models
That makes it worse then, because it looks like the same shit on the 3DS
Oh and, try playing any of the 3DS Pokemon mods that re-integrate triple/rotation battles, like Star Sapphire. Watch that baby chug.
>tank performance on your last 3DS titles to make high poly 3d models
I-I don't understand. Can't your reduce poly from large poly models made in the modelling software to low poly 3d models when you import them into the game engine, thus eliminating the need to tank performance?
You tell him nigga. The Pokémon fanbase needs to wake the fuck up. Bitch until GF realizes they're done selling us shit.
I know that dude's entire livelihood is tied up in Pokemon but fucking hell you can admit that they're not perfect.
Someone post the Ga-Olé animations, imagine if the main series games looked like that
So? You probably bought ORAS.
This is all BOTW's fault. How can a game be so good that fans of other series feel slighted over getting the same shit they've been getting for the past 20 years?
>>despite cutting 50% of all Pokemon there is also no major leap in visuals with the game looking visually similar to Dragon Quest 8 in both texture quality, model quality, and scope despite being a fucking PS2 game
Pokefags wish their game looked as good as DQ8 did on the PS2.
Shut up Matsuda and stop making excuses. BOTW didn't make Odyssey a fucking disappointment to Mario fans because it was still good.
Better yet, why even subject yourself to modern Pokemon?
Damn, that's some major fucking cringe you posted there, bro.
The even reused the animations of Hau for Hop.
youtube.com
0:39 onwards
of course polygon defend this shit
Take that bug out of your anus, user
Yes it did! People are mad it wasn't a masterpiece.
I'm mad it wasn't a masterpiece.
Because I played BOTW, which was a amasterpiece.
shut up joseph anderson
you
What am I looking at?
>Polygon citing a redditor that blatantly lied about what Gamefreak said in an interview
Who the fuck hires these people?
Why the fuck did they make this article when the only source of Gamefreak saying they made new models from scratch for all pokemon is some redditfag lying about a Gamefreak interview?
Even in the twitter and reddit threads where it was first posted, he was immediately called out for making a fake summary instead of doing a proper translation.
But why?
0.01 (yous) were deposited in your account
>pokeshills have become so desperate that they're actually lying about what Masuda and Ohmori said and are spreading misinfo about a Famitsu interview
>Polygon and Dot Esports published these articles without doing any basic fact checking
With shills like these, who needs enemies?
The insects that Masuda shoves up is butthole.
>the ONE FUCKING THING that didn't need to be redone
>that was supposed to be the whole reason they sacrificed performance on the 3DS games
>to make 3D models that would be sufficient quality for future games without having to go to the drawing board every time
>what they needed was better textures and animations to add more character to what they had
>they can't even fucking do that and remake all their models again, and duplicate models for every mega-monstar version of every mon instead of just repurposing them
>Gamefreak either legitimately doesn't know how to animate models in a video game, which is pathetic, or they actually phoned it in this hard
Why aren't they?
The old models are fine.
I don't know what kind of moron you would have to be to think this is a legitimate defense against the criticism they've been getting. Despite what Game Freak's said, literally all the evidence out there is saying that that's complete bullshit and they're re-using the same models from Gen 6/Gen 7 - I don't think most people have a problem with this, but it's clearly not an area where a lot of development time would have gone to, and porting over the Pokemon they cut wouldn't have been that hard either. But even if Game Freak were telling the truth, re-creating the same models with barely any changes instead of just porting them over is such a mindbogglingly stupid waste of development time that it goes beyond incompetent to completely fucking insanity.
The weapons need more diversity.
>2019
>Giving ashit about poekmon
The only good thing from this shit is the porn
>linking polygon
kys
This.
Cutting the dex would be fine IF we were getting a BOTW style open world huge AAA Pokémon console game. But we aren’t.
Right one has a low res outline that will change too small shapes. but the overall forms and pattern look identical.
They might have went in and added few poly loops here and there as it requires 0 changes to the animation rig or the texture, but i will bet my balls if you look at the topology its the same base.