20+ years later

Never forget that they fucking went to space. What a stupid fucking game.

Cloud loves Aerith

All the best FF games have you going into space

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Did they go to space in X, 12 or 15? So how can you say the best ones did?

I like where this is going

Because those ain't the best :^)
You really shot yourself in the foot with 15

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>FF7 Remake gets released
>New doujins will be made
>95% of them will be NTR
well, I went through the shitty rape doujin where cloud was fucked up and couldn't do anything, i can stomach anything now I hope

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>beta orbiter gets the girl in the end
they got the "fantasy" part in Final Fantasy down pat.

>95% of them will be NTR
you mean tifa crying in the corner wearing her chastity belt as Cloud impregnates Stacy Aeris, right?

Probably Barrett fucking Tifa

He’s also 5’7”

We'll probably get a RabuRebo doujin at least

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I barely remember any doujins of her with cloud. She's either a prostitute or gets fucked by don corneo iirc.

That's because there's like 1 aerith doujin to every 5 tifa ones. I'd say it's a shame but as noted, it's all ntr degeneracy anyway so I don't care

blessed thread

>Aeris
>ever getting doujins
This is a popular girls club exclusively. No losers allowed

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GOD I WISH I HAD A TIFA GF

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Tifa is mommy gf tier, which is drastically better then being a corpse.

>Feels good to be a Tifachad lads.
Hahahahaha!

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This and OP’s shota fantasy must be the chad mindset I’ve heard so much about

this looks shooped

Next time just ask someone to post Dissidia NT Tifa instead of falseflagging

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>tifa melee unarmed fighter
>sticc thighs
how does this make sense?

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>actually loving rTifa
>while everyone else is angry and in tears

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try to keep it canon
>Tifa fucks potato Cloud
>while Aeris fucks dogs
there

Wasn't it Nomura who designed Tifa in Dissidia?

Shut the fuck up autismo, everyone who ever played the game knows that Aerith never loved Cloud, he reminds her of zack and that's all. Tifa was always the main girl and the one that belongs at Cloud's side you like it or not.

Stay mad fag.

looks like a very badly shopped lulu

was it autism?

I love her too. My only problem with her new design isnt the new attire or boobies, my problem with it is the legs. Too fucking thin for a brawler. Add a little more meat to them and her design is perfect.

based

You’re retarded in many ways

>Aerith never loved Cloud
why would you lie user

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It would be nice if 6ro~ gave Tifa a break just once. Just fucking once.

Why is she so cute bros

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most pure girl out there

pure SLUT

Tifa's Yuna with better body proportion, is a girl fighter.

>Doesn't know that Aeris was a whore who wanted to fuck her chad boyfriend Zack one last time
>and used Cloud as some substitute for her Zack lust
sad

I see that you did not play the game

>tanktop outfit is slutty
Yikes

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kek

corpseniggers once again BFTO'D

This. Her legs just look like it doesn't have enough muscle to actually harm anything

Oh look, TIFANATICS out in the WILD stroking their BANANA BONERS like the MENTAL BABOONS they are. Let me tell you all just how YOUR MINDS have been ROTTED and turned into THOSE of a MONKEY'S because of ENDLESS BIG BOOBY MASTURBATION. Greatest LOVE story ever told? WRONG. But it is in the same game at least: Cloud AND Aerith. PERIOD. You CLAIM your CANONICITY when even SQUARE has MARKETED everything to be CLERITH and STRICTLY Clerith only, because they KNOW the TRUE FINAL ROMANCE will ALWAYS and FOREVER BE between THOSE TWO.

I will DOMINATE all TIFAMANIACS and put them into the GROUND.

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>almost 4000 votes
>Aeris only gets 35%
that's just embarrassing

the whale has arrived

>35%
>corpse
>whore

It's a good time to be a Tifa nigger desu

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BASED Clerithposter preaching the truth

oof

Can't tell if retarded.

>cloud and aerith being the true romance
Glad to know that even chad sephiroth didn't want that shit so that's why he kills her before she tried anything

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>Let me tell you all just how YOUR MINDS have been ROTTED

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BASED corpsefucker

BASADO Y VIII PILLED

piggu go homeu

I can't wait for Aerith's increased exposure will mean we'll be getting more porn of her being slowly broken by the world she lives in. Like Tifa in this doujin
exhentai.org/g/1043425/a0c343bad8/

it's hard to be a corpse fucker

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Take a look at these pathetic corpsefuckers, this is the absolute state of aerithcucks.

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You are still retarded. You replied to the wrong guy

Content?

explain yourself Aerisfags

Oh it’s this guy again. You’re the one that jerks off to Aeris fucking dogs right? Or are you the guy that mixes his semen with Fanta?

>Being this braindead corpsefucker
>Being this MAD

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>Or are you the guy that mixes his semen with Fanta?

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>Tifacucks embracing their NTR doujins
Aerischads win again

this must burn badly

Aeris and Tifa are both perfect for Cloud in different ways. Aerith's flirtatious nature really pulls Cloud out of his shell and allows him to express confidence he doesn't normally have. Aeristh really helps Cloud loosen up which is good for him.

Tifa on the other hand is Cloud's anchor. When Sephiroth is telling Cloud that he's a failure that can't do it Tifa is the one standing by his side saying "it's okay." Cloud does want to live up to Tifa's idea of him which brings out strength Cloud doesn't normally have.

Both are good for Cloud. The only 7 waifu who is objective shit is Yuffie

Finally. Something new.

DELET

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>Clearith
Ahhh there's a term I haven't seen in a long time.
CloTi4Lyfe.

>He doesn’t know

Chrischan did it once. Became a meme.

This is pretty accurate

>this poll was done by some Squenix dude
>this means SE sees how popular Tifa actually is
>she will probably get the Lightning treatment which means a ton of lewd outfit in her own game
>they also will make her relationship with Cloud on disc one a lot less ambiguous
based

I will never not feel bad for cwc

yfw the ff canon btfo areithfags more than you ever could.

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I looked up the entire story of CWC a year back. I can't tell who the villain of his story is. It's like everyone was a gigantic shit head and only CWC paid for it. But at the same time he wasn't a good person either and yet again maybe if he had literally any other environment that could've been addressed

I actually didn't make fun of Aeris fags after they lost since I felt so bad for them

theyre going to expand on anything bit this is def something they're going to continue to leave (mostly) to interpretation. tifa (and her ship with cloud afaik) has been more popular for awhile

Tifas def gonna be a bigger marketing tool going forward to and weve already seen that at e3

Sort of. AC really fucks this up where Tifa had to worry whether she's what Cloud wants or if she's just a consolation prize

>Tifa had to worry whether she's what Cloud wants or if she's just a consolation prize
where and when, prove to me you don't have autism

obviously it's the latter

Cloud had also gone away to the church that Aerith had been in. The thing which she is unable to hide in her irritation towards Cloud is the fact that he isn’t merely dragging the past around, but because that reason might perhaps be related to Aerith

Ultimania

Tifa will always be second place. Cloud only has eyes for Aerith

>worrying about your boyfriend being depressed because he has PTSD
>consolation prize
she being just a good waifu

Tifa doesn't know that Cloud is also feeling guilty for Zacks death. Also they literally get over that shit in the end of the novel.

You mean Zack!Cloud, right?

She still wonders. And he’s extra guilty over aerith. This is all obvious in the movie. Particular with that cloud and aerith music video they call the credits

I want to protect this smile

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>quote literally says it being aerith bothers her

Denial is so predictable. Honestly you guys would fall to pieces if the tables were turned. I’m convinced

>Even though being burdened with painful “memories” is the same for everyone - Unable to do much for Cloud who is always dragging around his regrets for the past, she subconsciously raises her voice.
It literally says it's because out of his guilt tho

Because Tifa knows the real Cloud doesn't need push. When Cloud vs Kadaj she tells everyone to BTFO.

AC kinda fucked it up. The Cloud at the end of AC is the real one. Not cocky/depressed Cloud in Disc 1

>falling for the “cloud is literally 100% zack for the whole game” meme
You are dumb as shit

>Tifa once again winning in a landslide
based

>meme
user...

>calling the story of ff7 a meme
poor corpsefags

So basically Tifa didn’t like cloud at all and only liked zack then since she sure as shit didn’t like cloud as a kid and she only liked cloud throughout the game when he was being zack, which was the entire game according to you.

The point his all his action are influence by Jenova. Aeris herself says to him she wants to meet the real Cloud. Implying they literally never met. I know it hurts but disc one Cloud isn't the real Cloud

Work harder.

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And the part about Aerith specifically. Made more obvious by the first paragraph linking this to their rivalry

“Tifa was close to Aerith, who can also be called a love rival. With that point in mind, they were also good friends. Nevertheless, it is not hard to imagine that she carries complex feelings as a woman toward Aerith, who had built up a special bond with Cloud that was different from Tifa’s.”

It’s always just denial.

And Tifa was attracted to disc 1 cloud meaning Tifa wants to fuck zack... nice logic faggot. Tifa didn’t like cloud when he was a kid being himself.

This is actually true. cloud’s persoa was created by Tifa’s idea of what she wanted. In disc 1 their relationship is the less authentic

Uh, his relationships with everyone he met in disc 1 are unaffected. In most ways he was, just alienated from his actual past and with some fraudulent additions.

You guys really are not bright

>she sure as shit didn’t like cloud as a kid

A young Cloud and Tifa appear sitting at the well.

Tifa
Right, I was wearing these clothes.
That's you, too. You were so small then......

She sits down beside her younger self and looks over at Cloud.

...and cute.

That actually implies Aerith saw through to the real Cloud better than others. Which fits their interactions where he’s chummier and less guarded around her.

>Aerisfags SEETHING once again because their ship is dead as it gets

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because Aeris was a friend and a love rival so her being the reason for Cloud sinking in depression makes it even more messy for Tifa to handle the situation. She doesn't know that Cloud also feels guilt over Zacks death and that he actually has PTSD from all the shit that happen to him

They were not friends, and in that scene with that flashback she was trying to guilt him to stay with avalanche

lol

Now that she knows the zack version of cloud, she finds him cute, but back then she clearly wanted nothing to do with him and was surprised he even tried to talk to her at the well. That’s how little they knew each other. Tifa idolizes the zack version of cloud, get over it.

Well, Zack!Cloud did...

POPULAR MEAN GOOD

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you sound bitter, bro

Why do they brong up the love rivalry except to insinuate she has feelings of jealousy? Why do they say it being about Aerith bothers me especially?

This is just denial.

Zack is better imo

>the zack version
cringe

>Aeris is shit
>loses so hard it's almost comically
sometimes it does, user

You sound dumb. What I said is true. Play the game

You always try this

that scene is from the end of the game

>still in denial over Zack!Cloud
spotted the Aerisfag

That dialogue is when they're in Cloud's mind, not when Tifa is trying to get Cloud to hang around at the beginning of the game. Also;

Cloud
I was so prejudiced. And... weak.

That night I called Tifa out to the well...
I thought to myself Tifa would never come... that she hated me.

Tifa
Yeah... it was so sudden. I was... a bit surprised.
But...
It's true that we weren't THAT close, but...
After you left town, I really thought about you a lot.
I used to wonder how Cloud was doing.
I wonder if Cloud was able to get into SOLDIER?
I started reading the newspapers, thinking that there might be an article about you.

yinza.com/Fandom/Script/36.html

Doesn’t Yea Forums usually think ff fans are idiotic?

Just like Fortnite and Call of Duty BTFO of FF as a series... must mean final Fantasy is shit, huh?

Reminder that Tifa wouldn't have given Cloud the time of day if her mother didn't died.

Nope, the “and cute” line is from the beginning when you first meet her. The scene is replayed but narrated differently in mideel. My oh my.

>sometimes it does, user

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>Doesn’t Yea Forums usually think
go home whale

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>She sits down beside her younger self and looks over at Cloud
explain

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Nope. The “and cute” line is from the beginning. You’re trying to save face and thinking I won’t notice.

But even that proves my point here about Tifa’s view of Cloud.

>making retarded comparisons because noody cares for your waifu
kek

You mean if Cloud never made his proclamation to become a SOLDIER? because that's when she finally took notice of him. See

Always so canned

It was promising to be a badass soldier that did it. Her arc is basically “reformed thot”

>coping this hard
Lmao

hey buddy it's okay to admit you remember wrong

I can’t explain it well enough for you user. You either play the game or you do not

I literally linked the script for the section of Cloud's mind in the bottom of my post. Open it and Ctrl+F cute if you don't believe me.

wasn't even implied?

Your own posting of the script omits the line you tried to pass off earlier, because it’s from the beginning actually

>Doesn’t Yea Forums usually think
Cut your question right there. Unironically the answer is no. Yea Forums does not think because 1: Yea Forums is not a single person and 2: Yea Forums is littered with dumb reactionaries.

>digging yourself deeper into this hole

>popular girls club

Not that user, but the comparison is retarded

Oh it was in the link, not the section you copied for some reason. Wrong. I admit it. But as was said, it still shows her interest was kindled by the SOLDIER idea

>8 year old girl who is 2pure4me
>thot
bruh

Yea yea it was in the link. The point is her interest was still kindled by his desire to enter SOLDIER, not because she liked him genuinely as a kid because they were not actually friends.

Mama Cloud never suggested Tifa for a reason.

Tfiacucks and their headcanon are embarrassing
You claim cloud is only Zack the whole game and then you wonder why Tifa liked him. She even remarked on his confident stance at one point which is only a trait of Zack according to you all. You claim any time Cloud shows any emotion in disc 1 it’s zack, and since the non-emotional cloud rejects/friendzones tifa through that whole game then it means the real cloud has no interest in her.

>Aerisnig is still SEETHING
wew

absolutely rekt

Let’s see... She had orbiters. Liked Cloud once he said he’d be a SOLDIER, responds best to Cloud being cool and badass in the dating minigame, when he’s gone and returns still wants him to sound cool in his responses

Yea.

>moving goalposts
The claim was she never liked Cloud as a kid, but she clearly states that she thought he was cute and that she looked for stories about him in the newspapers.

>It's another snoygoys talk about their cuck nip movie game

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After he said he’d joined soldier. They were not friends. It’s just a fact. Check your own link.

Also, the goalposts were never moved

>responds best to Cloud being cool and badass in the dating minigame,
Reminder that that is entirely zack according to tifafags

Would join soldier I mean.

>your gf wants you to be the best version you can be
>but also looks after you wen you turn into a retard and shit yourself
>never was soiled by another boyfriend
literally the perfect women

Lmao that’s right. They’re a confused bunch. They post this shotacon fanart with tifa towering over Cloud, root for a reformed thot, and call themselves chad.

That second post isn't mine homie. The goalposts got moved the moment I refuted the claim that Tifa never liked him as a kid. Sort your shit out.

Well Zack is apart of his discone persona, so that's right

>he doesn’t know about Barrett and Tifa’s relationship
user....

Except in this case being a fake you was what caught her eye, that’s the difference. You refuse to accept that.

>bitter woman on Yea Forums
ew

Which then means that Cloud canonically likes Aerith and Aerith canonically likes him since we are now including that instead of writing it off to protect your cloud x tifa headcanon

>never liked him as a kid
>i state she liked him when he said he’d join soldier
>he does that as a kid

extraordinary

I think you literally confuse her wit Aerith user...

>Clouds personality was made up by diifferent factors one is being Aeris old boyfriend
>Aeris admits they never met
uhh...

Men never doubt the boastful claims of other men.

We know this because there’s no sign Cloud’s attitude toward Aerith changes, she remains important to him, and she even appears in his mind after he banishes Sephiroth from it for good.

Yes we already established you were wrong about that, no need to remind us. Just get your shit together.

Tifa called Barrett cute in his hulking prime wearing a tight sailor outfit. If this isn’t evidence that tifa is a huge slut then you are in denial.

this one must really hurt

Aerith admits she can tell his real personality is hidden, which means she’s able to see past.

Moreover it’s in character that she’d like a less uptight Cloud anyway

I think that was Aeris bro...oh no...

>cute
You've never seen gap moe?

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Nah. Aerith says it bothered her and that she wants to see more of the real Cloud. Without knowing him beforehand

Nah

Cheerleader lol

That was Aerith actually, lmao

Aeris
Oh, too bad. I liked Barret's sailor suit.
He looked so cute.

yinza.com/Fandom/Script/14.html

>Aeris wants to meet the real cloud
>tifa only likes cloud for the short period when he acts like zack with confidence
>tifa had no interest in cloud prior to that
So either cloud is a bitch boy beta and tifa doesn’t like him or he is a chad alpha and tifa likes him but he likes Aeris more and Aeris likes him more than tifa, which is it gonna be?

I think Cloud says it too... oh my god!

It was tifa, play the game.

>Nah
I can't force you to not be a fuck up so you do you buddy, lol

>We know this because there’s no sign Cloud’s attitude toward Aerith changes, she remains important to him, and she even appears in his mind after he banishes Sephiroth from it for good.
It's not about Aeris getting wiped of his brain. He still remembers her. The thing is that his interactions are polluted since he wasn't even himself in disc one. He and Aeris himself say this. So yeah, it does kill the Cloud and Aeris ship for good

absolute state of this thread

Dumb or an Aerith fan with a victim complex (read: that's all aerith fans)? Qwhere did the "= good" part play into that. tifa IS more popular and will get significantly more doujins

Nothing about my argument claimed they never liked each other as kids, you were just wrong.

>play the game
Don't need to because the script says it right there. Maybe YOU need to play the game.

Based tifacuckbro, we need more NTR tifa doujins to draw strength from. Tifabros win again!

>Aerith admits she can tell his real personality is hidden, which means she’s able to see past.
This literally proves that she doesn't met the real him, retard

Citation needed. I don’t need headcanon.

They don’t even say that. You’re just stretching the meaning. There’s nothing to indicate feeling changed.

So why jump at me for refuting that Tifa never liked Cloud as a kid? Me thinks you need to sort thine shit out.

Aeris nniggers once again BFTO'D
will it ever stop?

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Logically, how would she know it’s fake unless she sees past it? Think more than one move ahead if you care to.

Tifa could tell her but they never did that

>doujins are bad
who let re*dit in?

Yes! I want to see Rude fuck Tifa again while cloud gets the picture of it after! Being a Tifachad is truly a blessing!

Because you were also suggesting she liked him before he said he’d join soldier, which you did argue against so...

>NTR is good
Who let the actual unironic cum-slurping cuck in?

show me the post where I claim that so I can lmao @ you posting someone else's post

Seeing that he isn't his real self while expressing she wants to meet his real self, while Cloud being confused and not understanding what she is talking about should show that she realized that she isn't talking to Cloud real self. They literally never met

I can’t tell you apart so idc, there’s like 5 of you I’d wager, if you weren’t in an argument don’t continue it on another’s behalf. Because I did state what this was about plenty of times, should have taken the hint

The only one who get's ntr'd is the corpse

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>a-at least we have our NTR doujins
Tifacucks get more and more sad every day. First your waifu fucked Barrett, then she turned into a gook in the remake. Life must be hard for you.

The writers put that in there to communicate that the attraction is deeper than a fake persona, hence why aerith never gets jettisoned with the fake persona and Cloud gets all emo over her in AC.

It’s moot anyway because goofier real Cloud would hardly be not her type. She liked Zack after all.

>gettting cute vanilla dujins
>while Aerisfags get nothing
based

>fucking rude and Barrett behind your back
>only interested in cloud when he’s literally zack
Tifabros win again

>Shut the fuck up autismo, everyone who ever played the game knows that Aerith never loved Cloud, he reminds her of zack and that's all. Tifa was always the main girl and the one that belongs at Cloud's side you like it or not.

If you actually play the game, you'll find that not only was Zack someone Aeris dated for a short time when she was 15, but that they were never that serious. She's momentarily shocked when she realises he's dead, but that's it.

> if you weren’t in an argument don’t continue it on another’s behalf
nigga if you didn't try to make claims I knew were false and were easily able to prove I wouldn't have posted anything. Next time verify shit before you make a claim so this doesn't happen again.

I'm glad we've established that everyone just really liked zack. What a chad

>literally making shit up
I stick with what the game and the devs told us. disc one Cloud is a fake persona which means he and Aeris never really met. Which also makes one questions all his interaction with her

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I will have you know that I am ACTUALLY UNDERWEIGHT but you would not understand TRUE STRUGGLE if your KNEECAPS gave way from your ARTHRITIS-INDUCED MASTURBATION FEVER.

Popularity is NEVER a standard to be judged by. But you are a TEENAGE BOY who was never around for FF7's RELEASE where practically EVERYONE was VERY SUPPORTIVE of Cloud and Aerith and TIFA was an AFTERTHOUGHT. And don't bring up that FLOWER GIRL = PROSTITUTE meme, some BRAINDEAD BANANA BABOON don't know their JAPANESE.

It's an HONEST living and I'm glad I can SHARE THE WORD to those SYMPATHETIC.

No, that had NOTHING to do with why SEPHIROTH KILLED HER. Play the game, you MENTAL ABOMINATION.

Case in point, no REFUTATION to the DOZENS and EVEN HUNDREDS of HINTS Square has DROPPED OVER THE YEARS to signal the TRUTH of CLERITH. Instead, the SILVERBACK HACK crops a PORN FACE of TIFA before resuming his MINDROTTING.

NO, AERITH was meant for CLOUD, not ME. Don't you DARE insinuate that, I want them to be HAPPY together.

Get out, troll.

Another MIND SAVAGED and LEFT TO RUINATION by the PORNOGRAPHIC MASTURBATION PHANTASM that POLLUTES society TODAY. Romance will be RESTORED in DUE TIME.

Mental MONKEY, go EAT your BANANA instead of using your HAND to WANK and SHANK words, you AMPHIBIOUS MENTAL TADPOLE.

Again, OBSESSED with PORNOGRAPHY and MASTURBATION to insinuate things OTHERWISE. Sex is for the UNCLEAN, ROMANCE is where the TRUTH of the HUMAN CONDITION LIES.

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What claims were false? I could never have said “they didn’t like each other as kids” because the promise I said made her like him was made as a kid.

Do you not understand still?

Great post. I prefer Tifa but you'd have to be braindead not to see the positive effect Aeris has on him through the first part of the game.

And of course the whole sections of the game dedicated towards his feelings for Tifa and the way she supports him in the later half.

>it's just some angry whale who got triggered by tifas popularity
oof

Hi.

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oink oink

Your position is that disc 1 was a dream? Impressive. I feel like we can assume that’s wrong and stupid.

Moreover you yourself even stated his relationship with Aerith is still part of his experiences so it’s part of his authentic self anyway unless you suow otherwise. But there is no indication the writers want us to beliefe otherwise

>apologies to you for letting you see too much panty
truly the best gril

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She's fifth. Still receives the perfect 10/10 score from me like six others in the franchise.

Imagine the smell

>cuck is completely okay with tifa fucking rude and Barrett
Damn, how will vanillachads cope?

If that's the case, why are you still arguing with me? You really need to drop this and get your shit together before I manage to stumble upon you making another mistake again.

>Your position is that disc 1 was a dream?
Funnily enough Cloud call his disc one state a illusion he made himself up. And also a dream...

Apparently we’re supposed to assume that was all suspect, with no indication from anything in what way. Some shipfags said so.

>what's vanilla doujin
SEETHING whale be gone

>Case in point, no REFUTATION to the DOZENS and EVEN HUNDREDS of HINTS Square has DROPPED OVER THE YEARS to signal the TRUTH of CLERITH. Instead, the SILVERBACK HACK crops a PORN FACE of TIFA before resuming his MINDROTTING.

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And yet he never wonders who the fuck any of these weirdos are... almost as if it still happened to him and he had agency.

I mean you can’t clarify in what way their interactions are suspect because the writers never signal anything in that direction later on (they even make aerith weigh in cloud especially hard in ac) so it can be safely ignored.

absolutely based

It’s deliciously ironic since the only time tifa actually started showing interest in cloud was when he was zack. Poor cloud can’t get a single girl according to tifafags.

Because you’re angry

Cloud is canonically not interested in her at all. It literally makes 0 sense.

Lol, if you played the game you’d know it’s Cloud lusting after Aerith and not the other way around

That girl is fucking beautiful

he doesn't at all. he also doesn't like tifa.

Your assumption is wrong user. Cloud as a person isn't being his real self, kinda like a dude who hit his head and acts funny now. Of course it's the same person but his action aren't really himself

not sus at all

>positive effect Aeris has on him through the first part of the game
You mean where Cloud hands over the Black Materia to Sephiroth/Jenova and then starts pummeling Aeris so she runs off on her own, then when they find her Cloud draws his sword like he's going to cut her down? And that these problems never get fixed until Cloud gets dunked into the lifestream and Tifa helps him sort his shit out?

She already startet to fall for him in Niebelheim user. Also CC made it clear she would fall for Cloud anyway
>During the time that Zack and the others were in the Mako Reactor, monsters came attacking. Worriedly watching over the soldier who had collapsed while protecting her, could that soldier perhaps be . . . . . .
「 You are the SOLDIERs sent here to do the investigation? 」

Cloud doesn't lust after either of them. He's canonically gay.

>aerith and cloud was totally faked
Then why was it not jettisoned with all the other fake stuff?
>well uh it still happened to him and forms who he is now
So there’s no actual difference here, it’s still a piece of his authentic personality with all the same weight
>no their interactions are still suspect
How so? In what way? Based on what exactly?
>no answer

Not a real position.

So much so that they are living together right?

Tifa
Now that you mention it, why did you want to join SOLDIER in the first place?
I always thought it was a sudden decision you made......

......I was devastated. ......I wanted to be noticed.

Cloud
......I was devastated. ......I wanted to be noticed.
I thought if I got stronger I could get someone to notice......

Tifa
Someone to notice you...? ......who?

Who......? ......You know who! ......You, that's who.

Cloud
You......

Tifa
......Me? Why!?

yinza.com/Fandom/Script/36.html

uhh...

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That was allCloud fucking up. Nothing to do with aerith.

Her role was to make him less of an asshole in Midgar. Then she had her own little journey.

Like I said, I take the devs and the characters word over some nigga on the internet, so I agree to disagree

The fact that there will be more NTR porn of Aerith is hilarious. Also capitalizing certain words makes you look fucking stupid.

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I dunno man, I already got someone to admit they fucked up and they're still responding to me. Sounds like projection if you ask me :^)

>Aerith makes him get more into his Zack personality
>which makes him go more insane
Tifa all the way

And apparently in the jap version it was just a crush

This is true. Cloud and Tifa is not a thing at all.

The devs dont downplay aerith like you tried to. And your own post was retardes.

>he’s like a guy who hits his head
>same guy but acts a little funny

Meaning what he does is not all that suspect really.

There’s a reason people try to either say he had no agency his own in disc 1 or thought be was Zack, it’s what would be required to make the point you tried to

Also I even asked you for devs and character moments which tell us in what ways his interactions with aerith were suspect. Nothing.

>She already startet to fall for him in Niebelheim user
You really think your headcanon is true? Tifa did not like cloud until he started acting like zack with avalanche.

>it's more important to make PUPPETcloud not an asshole rather than help him throw of the reins of Jenvova's control over him
Hell of a lot of good that did Aeris

>retardes
Oh how ironic for me

Yea no

Here's your FF7 remake bro

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Aerith could never top the queen of mob rape and NTR, Tifa Lockhart herself.

>People said for years that that line meant he was in love with Tifa
>Aerisfags claiming that's just biased translation
>literally official translation comes out
>i-it doesn't count
kek

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Yea I was wrong, blindsided by someone else entering a discussion. It happens.
It was because I assumed he pasted the relevant part in his post, when it was indicated he left it in the link I went and looked.

Nothing more.

pure.
She was first waifu, best waifu

see

Well I never said that. I mean, obviously events in disc 2 should be more climactic than events in disc 1.

Aerith saves the day if we want to keep score anyway.

>still SEETHING because i don't care for his headcanon
never (You) me again

barf

She only says that after she is now attracted to Zack. She sees the old cloud in a better light than she did when she was a kid and he was the genuine cloud, because she is now into the Zack Cloud.

lol you go to the fucking moon in ff4, fuck offffff :^)

This is not headcanon. I am asking you to proe yours.

So why the continued responses? You could stop right now and so would I. But we both know it's about saving face/getting in the last word at this point, isn't it?

The only thing aeris does is being dead

I dunno, you have something to prove while I can humbly admit my mistakes

It's not about what you said, it's about getting Cloud to a point where he's not being Jenova's puppet anymore. That's why I compared Aeris "chilling him out" to Cloud finally breaking free of that control, because the latter is infinitely more important.

Best girl in what? Final Fantasy? No. JRPGs? Hell no. Video games? Fuck no. She arguably wasn't even best girl in her own game. She just has one of the most obnoxious fanbases.

Same thing happened with narutoxsakura fags. They kept telling them self the same retarded bullshit we see now Aerisfags do. It's always a good sign to tell when a ship sunk and is dead

>Tifa thinks something is wrong with Cloud from the moment she finds him laying around at the train station
>SHE THINKS HE'S SO COOL THAT FROM THAT POINT ON IT'S THE ONLY TIME SHE EVER LIKED HIM
y'all on some absurd headcanon right now lmao

Keep telling yourself that user.

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>sakura and tifa are the childhood crush who ignores/rejects them
>hinata and aerith are the girls that liked him all along
OH NO NO NO NO IT'S NOT LOOKING GOOD FOR US TIFABROS!

>claims tifa isn't rapebait
>posts the sluttiest pictures possible
It's like you want nobody to take you seriously as a waifufag.

I have nothing to prove since you proved it for me. Yet here you are, still responding, still trying to save face. Watch you respond to this as well.

>Tifafag thinking his whore of a character will have vanilla doujins and dozens of rape/NTR ones
Tifa is the queen of NTR, cuck. To love her is to love being cucked

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Tifa is literally Hinata
a big titted shy girl who is homey and isn't able to express her feelings

No she’s not lol. Tifa is a ho, literally spent her teen years fucking all the dudes on the block and blowing off Cloud until he told her he was leaving to be one SOLDIER.

Then, like any typical thot suddenly she became interested in him when she realized he was out of her reach.

spotted the jelly whale

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>cheesecake
>slutty
So if I posted an image of an exposed calf you'd say the character was slutty?

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So she's the boring, one-note overrated girl with the loudest fanbase? Yes, she has a louder fanbase than Sakura. Who the fuck even likes Sakura?

>Cloud is an obsessive weirdo who distances himself from the group because he looks down on them
>"Tifa ignored him"
Cloud realizes he was being retarded and tries to make something of himself so that Tifa will notice him. And it works.

>rejects him and hangs out with the cool kids like sasuke
>always distant from cloud at a young age
>lets the village bully him
>runs off to be with literal terrorists and gets really close to some huge black guy
These are all huge Sakura flags.

>why does nobody care for my waifu???

You claim tifa is pure and yet you only post pictures where her tits are out like a massive whore. It's no wonder the nip doujin makers only see her as rape and NTR bait.

You type a lot of words for someone so confident.

I don’t get your point is all. By the time we all learn Seph can control Cloud he has the black materia and she has to act for the good of everyone. Then dies.

Just seems like you’re blaming the plot

You can literally see in the mind of a Aeris whale here, wew

tifas is louder because its bigger, i cant explain hinata

>tifa wants nothing to do with the obsessive weirdo cloud
>only shows any interest in him when he's acting entirely like Zack
It sounds like Tifa never liked the real Cloud tifabros...

Non of those things ever happened in FF7. Tifa and Hinata are shy tiddie monster who can't express their feelings while some other thot is a lot more outgoing and tries to fuck their nigga

>4
>good

This is retarded. The key difference is aerith and cloud cannot be together while naruto and sakura presumably could but never did. The situations are not the same

Tifa is loud because it's big and her fanbase is very obnoxious. Not even just talking about FFVII, talking about among waifufags in general. I'm pretty sure Hinata has by far the biggest fanbase of the Naruto girls too. It's proof that having a shy sweet girl who loves the MC is a recipe for popularity, regardless of if she's actually that hot.

>You type a lot of words for someone so confident.
Thanks for responding and proving me right once again, lol.

>he played his headcanon version of FF7 instead of the one everyone else played
No wonder why you don't know shit about this game.

Hinata was a lot more popular than sakuras fanbase

Thanks for doing the same

>Just seems like you’re blaming the plot
Blaming the plot for what?

We are talking about the fact that even when a ship is dead retarded people will still try everything they can to act like it's still valid. even though it's just absurd at one point

>this absurd headcanon
If you actually read the dialogue during the section in Cloud's mind you'd know what actually happened. But you don't want to have to face the truth of the actual narrative, do you?

*Aeris

Yeah, I proved myself right by making a proclamation and it came true, no need to remind me.

Aerisnigs are in pain, be patient user

>while some other thot is a lot more outgoing and tries to fuck their nigga
Not applicable to Nurutu. Sakura offered Naruto her love and Naruto immediately called bullshit. Because Sakura never loved Naruto and Naruto knew it

What makes a ship dead? Aerithfags just don’t believe Cloud thinks nothing of her now (which is correct). Not that they can actually be together.

If the criteria for dead is “no commitment” then any love after death is a dead ship automatically

FF7 in summary:
>cloud has a childhood interest in tifa because she's presumably the only kid girl in the village and he's at maximum horny at that age
>tifa rejects him, ignores him, hangs out with little chads and lets the adults bully cloud when he tried to chase after her and save her when she was being retarded
>tifa runs off to join a terrorist group where she lives and sleeps in close proximity to her fuck buddy nigga barrett
>cloud comes back acting like chad Zack
>supreme thot tifa is suddenly showing interest
>she can tell something is off about him with his memories but tells him LITERALLY NOTHING the entire game
>cloud meets aeris, a girl who actually likes him
>immediately fall in love and cucks tifa even harder while ignoring her back
>aeris works to fix cloud and wants to bring out cloud into his true self
>based cait sith confirms that cloud and aeris are destined to be together while cuck tifa seethes
>aeris dies to save the planet
>cloud's entire motivation from this point on is lover Aeris
>at the end of the game when tifa finally thinks she has cloud to herself, cloud yearns to go reunite with Aeris again, eternally blowing Tifa the fuck out

OH NO NO NO NO DON'T LET TIFACHADS SEE THIS

So this is what actual autism looks like. Yikes

Based

>Not that they can actually be together
There is actually a whale right now in the thread who literally claims that Cloud and Aeris are together, user

Cloud
I used to think... they were all stupid.

Tifa
What!?

Cloud
You were all childish, laughing at every little stupid thing.

Tifa
But we were children, back then.

Cloud
...I know. I'm the one that was stupid.
I really wanted to play with everyone, but I was never allowed into the group.
Then later... I began to think I was different...
That I was different from those immature kids.
That then... maybe...

Just maybe, they would invite me in.
I thought that might happen, so I hung around...

Cloud
I was so prejudiced. And... weak.

/thread

>whale fanfiction

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If they TALK like THIS I would not care. People just like the undying tragic love thing is all.

>This it what corpseniggers really believe
ew

>YOUR MINDS have been ROTTED and turned into THOSE of a MONKEY'S because of ENDLESS BIG BOOBY MASTURBATION.

unironically me. please post more tifa lads

It amuses me because this is how he acts in disc 1. Which is why the idea he has no real agency in disc 1 is kind of dumb

>CLOUD IS ONLY ALLOWED TO BE WITH MY SELF INSERT REEE
Awerisfags are disgusting

Tifacucks on suicide watch

Why are aerithfags the biggest seething fags? It's been twenty years guys, you've lost and you'll lose again with the remake. No amount of delusions and fanfics will ever change the outcome

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This entire post alone kinda proves that Aeris/Cloud isn't a thing desu

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OH NONONO

SHUT UP REEEEEEE

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Aerischads win. Tifafags shall now lose their NTR Tifa doujin privileges from here on out. Make those cucks suffer.

/thread

Niggas here argued Cloud is basically not in control of anything in disc 1 to argue the opposite position. Idk why you just noticed people do this.

>Tifa
>ever loosing to the corpse
NEVER EVER

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This. Tifafags are pathetic and they're walking contradictions.

How? Because she dies?

All you guys have is “she dies” which doesn’t really matter since it’s all fiction anyway

I'll allow it.

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Can you blame them? It's the story of the game

Let them cope and seethe, it only proves that they have no arguments. They have been beaten at their own game since tifa only ever liked cloud when he was zack.

>aeris works to fix cloud and wants to bring out cloud into his true self
Fails miserably, gets pummeled and threatened with being cut in half by Cloud's sword until the other party members screaming at him gets him to stop

>based cait sith confirms that cloud and aeris are destined to be together
and then she dies, oops

It’s clearly not since it was not jettisoned with Cloud’s fake identity. And their response to this simple fact is some retarded explanation which is practically no different from the aerithfag position.

Because literally everything we got points to Cloud and Tifa ending up together

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*Aeris

>cloud gets controlled for the first time and gives black materia to sephiroth
>aerith now has to save the world and dies in the process
>takes a few hours before tifa lucks into a way to fix Cloud after being long aware of the issue

... with the other girl dead and making tifa jealous in AC. Wow, you broke new ground here lol

>Aerith
>jealous
I thought people were kidding when you were pushing your headcanon, but fuck, you are dumb.

>Aeris says she never met real Cloud
>Cloud says he is happy Tifa finally met the real him
>Devs literally said Clouds disc one persona is fake
Like I said earlier, I go with the game instand some angry Aerisfag

It always goes so well for you guys

“A close friend as well as rival?
The complicated emotions she feels towards Aerith.

Both of them share feelings for Cloud — Tifa was close to Aerith, who can also be called a love rival. With that point in mind, they were also good friends. Nevertheless, it is not hard to imagine that she carries complex feelings as a woman toward Aerith, who had built up a special bond with Cloud that was different from Tifa’s.

Tifa’s complicated feelings continue even in AC, two years after Aerith had departed the world. This was due to the fact that Cloud, succumbing to the notion that Aerith’s death was his fault and condemning himself, construed that Denzel was “the child which Aerith brought here” and took care of him. In addition, Cloud had also gone away to the church that Aerith had been in. The thing which she is unable to hide in her irritation towards Cloud is the fact that he isn’t merely dragging the past around, but because that reason might perhaps be related to Aerith.”

10th anniversary ultimania

>AC isn't about Cloud having PTSD it's about Tifa being jelly
retard

>grossly misinterpreting and purposely reinterpreting all of that to prop up your glorified whore
Classic Tifaretard.

>literally say it’s fake
Do they? They also say Cloud’s aloofness is his own personality still. Because the persona is based on his own self. So the idea it’s all fake and you were just piloting a different guy with no bearing on the real Cloud... that’s dumb. Like objectively bad writing.

>aerith now has to save the world and dies in the process
Maybe she should have fixed Cloud like she was supposed to, huh? Instead Tifa picks up her slack even though she has no ties to the planet/lifestream from being a one of a kind super special snowflake.

That's not fucking jealously. Holy shit, you have no idea how survivor's guilt fucks with people?

Denial

>she’s irritated it might be about aerith
>and it’s connected to their past rivalry

Denial.

>like she was supposed to

this quote is about Tifa being in the uncomfortable situation that her old love rival and friend is the reason why Cloud is falling into depression. Tifa doesn't now he is also feeling guilty over zack, user

>Aerisfag
>talking about denial
bruh

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Yep. And Tifafags eat up that headcanon every time to defend their ship.

>implying Tifa's jealous

"Tifa went to see Aerith together with her companions. Aerith, who was now at the bottom of the Forgotten City’s spring. The planet she saved in exchange for her life would surely be all right now. That’s what they were told. Tifa heard a voice asking if she was all right. She didn’t know if it was Aerith’s voice or her own. She wept. Right after Sephiroth took Aerith’ life, she hadn’t grieved at all. She had been sad, but she channeled her sadness into anger and hatred for the enemy. But the pain she felt when she visited the place tore her heart apart."

thelifestream.net/novels-novellas/on-the-way-to-a-smile-episodetifa/3/

kek

>she doesnt know about Zack
Ignorance makes her not jealous?

>irritated about jt being connected to aerith
>aerith was a friend she had complicated feelings toward due to the rivalry

I don’t really get this, why would they say all of this in the same section?

>Popularity is NEVER a standard to be judged by. But you are a TEENAGE BOY who was never around for FF7's RELEASE where practically EVERYONE was VERY SUPPORTIVE of Cloud and Aerith and TIFA was an AFTERTHOUGHT.
That was never the case at all nigger
>And don't bring up that FLOWER GIRL = PROSTITUTE meme, some BRAINDEAD BANANA BABOON don't know their JAPANESE.
Flower girl is a slang for prostitute in many asian countries not just Japan.

>like she was supposed to
I'm not the guy who keeps inferring that Aeris was fixing Cloud, lol

>She felt Cloud’s hand on her shoulder. He was holding onto her firmly as if he didn’t want her to go anywhere. For now, I’ll just let myself cry as much as I want. I’ll leave the rest in his hands.

Holy fuck that part is 2cute4me

Try fucking an actual woman, you complete and absolute loser.

Cute picture, but real talk what the fuck is wrong with that buster sword?

>says they are friends
>but it’s also complicated by the fact they were rivals

Imagine being so smoothbrainee you can’t grasp this somewhat nuanced condition. I really do think tifafags need things spelled out in a monocausal manner.

>Tifafags eat up that headcanon every time to defend their ship
meanwhile, in delusiontown

They literally say that she has complicated feelings towards Aeris because she was also her love rival and friend so her being the reason Cloud falling into depression is messy for her to handel

Aerith canon belongs to Zack since they both perma ded. Why is this even an argument?

Everything we got points to them never being together.

>fixes an aspect of him that’s significant early on
>YEA BUT SHE DIDN’T FIX THE PROBLEM NONODY BUT TIFA KNEW ABOUT

Tifa is so fucking perfect

>them= Aeris/ Cloud
based and Tifapilled

Why would her being a past love rival make it messy except for jealousy? lol this is sad

It’s not. It’s about what feelings exist or existed, not the specifics of who they can be with.

>Imagine being so smoothbrainee you can’t grasp this somewhat nuanced condition of assuming someone is jealous of their dead friend and that being more important than someone alive wallowing in guilt over something they weren't responsible for

>Cloud actually went to the forgotten City
>doesn't emo out or something but
>actually comforts Tifa
based

If we're going off of BS anime rules, then Tifa wins on account of being the childhood friend. But, I also don't think the game ever heavily pushed that angle, so it's largely conjecture. Either way no offense, Aeris fans.

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>corpsefag still in denial
wew

You guys do eat up the retarded idea that Cloud actually experienced nothing in disc 1. Because a dead girl threatens you, and this is why

hapa propaganda, no thanks. aerith will always be better

Getting Cloud to open up isn't fixing him, that's getting to know him. Fixing Cloud is getting him to throw off the yoke of Jenova's control, which led to him giving up the Black Materia and attacking and threatening to kill Aeris.

Tifa is a whore. Now go hang yourself knowing the truth about your waifu.

this

Wew, this one triggers corpseniggers like hell. Sadly it's the game!

Why is the love rivalry relevant except to suggest jealousy?
You guys always assume someone is saying it’s ONLY jealousy, which is dumb, but typical

Not my waifu, but okay?

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Rude.

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>You guys do eat up the retarded idea that Cloud actually experienced nothing in disc 1
where exactly did I say that again?

And this is in the canon, weird. Semantics

Cloud can be a chad if he wants to
>“I shouldn’t have come, ” said Cloud. “It draws me back to the past.”

>Cloud’s words spoke for the way Tifa felt too.

You think I can tell you apart. I spoke generally for a reason

The game itself says he isn't himself user...

>You guys always assume someone is saying it’s ONLY jealousy
Maybe you should tell that to whoever keeps posting that Ultimania quote as proof that Tifa is jealous, because that's what they're using it for.

Cloud was the one who pushed for Tifa and him getting together tho

>Cloud had the hots for Aeris/th
>Dies
>Cloud is sad, but realizes that the 'Girl Next Door' was there for him all along

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

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It says he’s affected a false veneer. Not that he’s not experiencing anything, since you know the experiences don’t fade away when he’s fixed.

It’s really retarded at this point. Same absolutist assumptions

I thought Cloud and Tifa weren't particularly close when they were kids.

You mean Zack!Cloud tho

I did, and I’m not. You guys are just stupid as fuck and think of everything monocausally

And here is a perfect example. I don’t think he’s ambivalent toward Tifa.

Because people want to argue the former never happened or something. Despite the devs and writers keeping ot significant

>I spoke generally for a reason
thanks for admitting that you don't have the mental capacity to separate different people's views/opinions and simply just lump the things you disagree with all together

I'm saying is actions are influence by Jenova/Zack/Sepirohth/Himself

At specific moments*

>>Cloud had the hots for Aeris/th
Did he though? There's never any solid proclamation of it from him whereas he directly tell Tifa that he wanted her to notice him when they're in his mind.

>i make a general statement
>”buuu I don’t think that”
>on an user board

It never ends

Devs and Characters themself said it's disc one Cloud...

“I-we are here for you”

To aerith at cosmo canyon. And all the dismantled/ultimanias say he was taken in by her eyes when he fell. It’s clear enough.

At specific moments. He’s obviously not doing what jenova wants when it tries to kill it on the ship.

And you would be arguing that disc 1 is irrelevant to our MC, when the game never suggests that since he nas the same relationships with everyone he met in disc 1

nice fan fic

>I did
Not well enough, apparently

>I’m not
Never said you did

>You guys are just stupid as fuck and think of everything monocausally
lol at you getting upset that I'm supposedly generalizing shit and then you go and do just that

It’s never enough for you guys. I’ve literally stated I’m not saying X, it's often not enough. Too stubborn. Too stupid.

>Zack!Cloud
stop this memery

It's pretty simple to point out a specific person's post rather than assume you're arguing with the same person across several different posts. It's a skill you should have developed if you've been here long enough.

>At specific moments
Cloud says to Tifa we finally meet again...doesn't make much sense...huh...

And as an addition, I always assumed he was taken in early by her. Since he’s not being a jerk for once and is being chummy and kind of flirty

Can people please stop bullying Aerithfriends? I don't want to fight!

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>Clouds plot is a meme
???

If you base it on one quote rather than a holistic undrstanding you run into these problems user.

Because Cloud had to reacquaint himself with his past, the pst centered in Nibelheim, which involved Tifa’s importance to him.

Again, none of his relationships with people be met in disc 1 changes after this.

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Corpsenigger need to know there place as bottom bitches

>make a general statement to counter another general statement
>”but how is it relevant to me, someone you don’t know?”

Stop bullying me!

>fanfiction
no thank you

Cucked by a memory

"I wanted you to notice me"
vs
"I'm here for you"

One of those is a strong, direct declaration of romantic interest and the other is something that can be said by anyone feeling sympathy for an acquaintance. It doesn't matter what Cloud's actual intent of feeling was when he stated the latter because it's never expounded upon and becomes straight up presumption.

>explaining the scene
Fanfiction is saying he had no agency in disc 1 without proof save misreading a single quote stated to a specific person

That may be your understanding of the situation, like I said I rather go with the game itself then what you desperately wish to be true

Both are statements of romantic interest actually. You might prefer one but this is a love triangle from the outset. There’s no reason to pretend this is unclear.

Yeah, nobody could win against loliTifa

Hard Proof Cloud had no agency in disc 1? Because the fact that disc 1 remains relevant to him is strong contradictory evidence

>you guys
You're talking to an individual here. I'm treating you as one so I'd hope you'd extend me a similar courtesy.

>I’ve literally stated I’m not saying X
Pretty sure I've acknowledged that you weren't, not sure what the problem is unless you think I'm the head representative of this group of guys you addressed earlier (which I'm not).

>Too stubborn. Too stupid.
irony

>devs say he has a fake persona
>n-no i-it doesn't count...

A lot of people think that Cloud confusing his memories during the Nibelheim incident means that he somehow thought he was Zack the whole time.

>I want to meet the real you
uhhh...

More like "how is it relevant to me when I don't believe this point you're erroneously assigning to me?"

Where? How? In what way? Does a fake persona mean nothing in disc 1 actually happened to the real Cloud? If so then why can he recollect it just as well as the Fake Cloud?

See the assumptions you make?

holy shit is it actually possible to have taste this bad?

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>made a tweet joking about Aerith being dead
>get literal death threats
What the fuck is wrong with Aerithfags

>aerith remains relevant to him after regaining his true self
Uhhh so how did he have no agency? You see there is a distinction between “you have a guard up” and “you’re like brainwashed 24/7”

Look at what I was replying to

>Both are statements of romantic interest
Both CAN be, but saying you want someone to notice you carries a much heavier connotation than saying "I'm here for you". People at funerals say that to each other as a matter of course.

Get fucked faggot

>Fat women who self insert as a corpse
>mentally well
what did you think would happen?

Fortunately we are told it’s a love triangle so it’s all clear.

Poor anita

>Look at what I was replying to
What about it?

The point is that You can only meet someone if he isn't there with you. Again I take the game and devs over your statements, user

The devs who keep aerith relevant to Cloud into disc 2 and 3 and beyond? I don’t think they agree with you user.

Nigger you’ve never provided conclusive statements. Just stuff here and there you happen to read a lot into. Your interpretation is not equivalent to a statement

Of course he still has her memories. It's about his actions in disc one which in the end aren't his own

>fake persona
>Aerris wants to meet real Cloud
>Cloud calls his state before a illusion and a dream
really makes you wonder what this all actually means...

lol stay mad corpsefucker

The devs make it clear when an action js being compelled. It’s a ludicrous stretch to assume nothing he does in disc 1 is his own agency. If that were true there’d be no trippy fanfare when Sephiroth takes him over.

And if he was brainwashed all the time why would he retain those memories? Why would be still care? And if he retains the memories ino his real self, assuming everything you say is true, then it’s moot because it’s who he is now anyway.

>it's a love triangle
>only one person receives a direct, unquestionable statement of romantic interest
>YEAH WELL WHAT ABOUT THE ONE TIME THE DUDE STUTTERED AND SAID HE WAS THERE FOR THE OTHER GIRL, nevermind that he was responding to her having a mild existential crisis
The point of it is it's an asinine comparison to make. Cloud could very well be head over heels in love with Aeris well over Tifa, but he never expresses it nearly as directly as he does with Tifa in his head.

>Another Tifa thread that will get to 500
Till next time Tifachads!

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*tifacucks

>aerith can tell Cloud’s real personality is guarded by a false veneer she wants to penetrate
>Cloud still holds aerith close to him in his memory

Guess she did better than she thought

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Cloud himself calls his disc one persona a illusion, user.

They both do, you just stubbornly refuse to admit one because you like it less.

Hell Cloud’s wailing when Aerith dies is way more profound than how he handled any other death. That’s suggestive of it too.

based

Well better than nothing I guess

user, I know you don’t get it but in that scene explains the illusion was his mistaken idea of his past and his own station as soldier first class. He never says anything that crosses into the territory you think it does.

There is no evidence. You just want there to be. So you pull weak quotes out of their context.

i love this fucking image

I guess that's your interpretation, user.

Guess so. Seems like a safer bet.

>Character them self acknowledge Cloud isn't himself
>user is still in denial
jesus

>They both do, you just stubbornly refuse to admit one because you like it less
Wrong. If someone proclaims they want me to notice them then my "whoa wut" meter is off the charts. If I'm discussing a somewhat serious issue and someone stutters while saying they're there for me then my assumption is at the very least they're being conscientious even though they may not be comfortable dealing with what I'm talking about or they genuinely care about my issue and want to help. My first reaction isn't "whoa maybe dey wanna fuk mayne."

>Cloud’s wailing when Aerith dies is way more profound than how he handled any other death
That's entirely subjective and you know it. It could be argued Cloud felt way more rage and anguish when Sephiroth murked his Mom, town and Tifa because he ran straight up to him and stabbed him compared to Cloud holding Aeris and waxing poetic about his feelings. But neither of us are Cloud so neither of us knows for sure.

Who is Cloud then in disc 1? In some ways he is not himself, but in all ways? Who is he being then?

>poorly written barely interactive movie
>still yammering on about it 20 fucking years later
This is the reason gaming is shit now.

>it’s called a love triangle
>both girls receive an invious confession of interest
>this is arbitrarily not enough

Heard it all before

He actually does not feel more anguish at the town. He feels angrier. But Aerith’s death crushed him. And he was only downcast at the deaths of avalanche

Cloud with a fake persona, that's influence his action and decision

literally Zack!Cloud

In what way? What is the fake persona from? How does it differ from the real Cloud?

I can answer these btw.

i really do hope Cloud makes a choice in the remake and end this debate once and for all.

It will be Aerith but we already knew that.

Bzzzt! Acts nothing like him outside of squats

>But Aerith’s death crushed him
Probably because he is actually responsible for her death

>Listen to my fanfiction
stop it user

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Being friendly with Aeris kinda reminds me of someone...

And then talks about his own feelings a lot. It’s more than just guilt.

Asking you to explain your fanfiction is not fanfiction. Whenever you don’t want to answer you try this

Tifa?

>because he talks about his feelings it's more than guilt
what a retarded leap

“What about my pain” after talking about Aerith being gone and all his physiological signs, clearly shaken by the loss. He’s experiencing loss. Whole point of his freakout is loss.

>both girls receive an invious confession of interest
I hope you're not counting Cloud's "I-we're here for you" as that for Aeris. If not please let me know what else it's supposed to be.

>Believing he knows exactly what fictional character feels in regards to their suffering levels when they experience different tragedies
Yeah man I tried to be reasonable here but it's clear you're not putting in the same effort. It's a bit late here so I'm gonna take off. Take comfort in "knowing" that I "ran away" my dude.

This proves literally nothing, wtf

>called a love triangle
>wails when one girl dies
>gives confessions of interest to both girls
>”you cannt possibly know!”

But that could of been Tifa instead of Aerith cause If I remember correctly they (the deveopers) were trying to decide who would die. And they settled on Aerith.

This could be a sign of his great guilt desu

Even as a Tifafag I would be okay with that because S-E can do whatever they want with the story and at least it would (mostly) stop us from having wack debates where people bend perceptions to fit their ideals.

His gut reaction is not guilt. Nothing to indicate that. That’s what is being disputed. Not complicated

After that he goes snowboarding bro

>He was supposed to protect her
>beats her up
>almost kills her again
>she literally dies
His freak out is absolute justified

>gives confessions of interest to both girls
*citation needed*

As an aerithfag the right answer is obvious to me:

Cloud and Aerith meet one last time in the promised land, they spend some time together, some tender and touching moments

But it’s time to depart. One or both say some stuff about how they’ll never be actually apart but things have changed too much and there are others who need them

Boom: Cloud with Zack, Cloud with Tifa. They exchange a last look before they go

Aeris and Zack would be long gone tho

Yea that’s a tonal fuck up lol

Yea, he feels guilt later but his initial reaction is not obvioisly guilt. He’s wailing over losing her. She will never laugh, cry, or get angry again

Given.

Aerith is ded lmao

It’s in the afterlife. This is just some bs way they can meet in limbo or whatever for its own sake

It's guilt user, for what he did

retcon time!

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He feels the crushing fuck up he done there so he breaks down

>Given
where

Where can I find a big titty, fit gf?

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How? What makes you say that? He feels that later, but we’re talking the initial reaction.

Yeah, to me his reaction show the insane guilt he feels towards Aeris

Same

>tfw tifa is alive
>Aerith is a corpse
Lmao feels good

>Yea, he feels guilt later but his initial reaction is not obvioisly guilt. He’s wailing over losing her. She will never laugh, cry, or get angry again
Probably because it's still Zack!Cloud

How? What makes you say that? Talking initial reaction, not what he says later when the shock wore off

Deja vu?

>it’s time to depart
>there are others who need them

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>Another 500 plus Tifa thread
based

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Best girl

The way he expresses himself seem to me a result of the way Aeris dies

Which why cloud pushes Tifa even further away in Advent Children. Your right it does feel good.

>When Tifa and Cloud were alone, Cloud said, “It’s not like you to be troubled by your thoughts.”

“It’s… Just the way I am.”

“No. You’re much more cheerful and strong. If you’ve forgotten the way you were then, I’ll be there to remind you.”

“You really will?”

“Probably,” Cloud said blushing.
he seems pretty chummy here...

Seething

I hope they do that

Really vague

>“It’s not like you to be troubled by your thoughts.”
What bullshit. Yes, it is. This is just like Lulu telling Chuami, that Auron wouldn't have hidden things from the party. Fuck Square-Enix writers, that don't care about the games.