90 billion dollar franchise

The games are still a sizable chunk of the 90 billion, retard.

>gen 1-5 are more and more innovative with each generation
>gen 6 does the 3D skip
>it's merely a technological leap, game feels empty as fuck
>they realize they can get away with anything at this point
>rehash the same shit over and over, releasing incomplete games

That's what happened. It's like going 3D exhausted them and now they're not even trying anymore.

>Doesn't matter if it bombs
But Pokémon has not and will never bomb bro.

yeah it is what are you going to do about it bitchboy?

Basically this.

Because even if it bombs (it won't, its fucking pokemon), it will make 100x what the games could ever make through merch

Charming stylized graphics for people who want to relive the N64 era

Nintendo gives all their other major IPs the respect they deserve, except for pokemon:

>Mario Odyssee and BotW were a back to basics reimagining of the franchise after years of fans bitching about overcasualization
>Smash Ultimate literally puts every character in the franchises history and is a fucking love letter to every single game featured
>Animal Crossing, Metroid, and likely Pikmin 4 have all gotten delayed because they dont want to push out a rushed product

But pokemon always gets forced into a yearly release, and the first major mainline game on a home console looks worse than a launch GC title. Even with what looks like the largest fan outcry in the history of a game's pre-release, they refuse to take action or delay the title. They didn't even ignore the problem like a level-headed adult, they simply responded with a "no, fuck you". The decisions behind what's literally the HIGHEST GROSSING MEDIA FRANCHISE IN THE WORLD baffles me more and more with each day. I unironically hope Sw/Sh bombs so hard that the company seriously reconsiders how much disrespect they have been giving one of their strongest players.
It used to be okay because Game Freak was just a small company working on a handheld franchise, but these problems have been building up over the last 10 years, and it's time they fucking act on them.

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All you fucks who are butt hurt over it not having all the pokemon are just this month's version sekiro needs an easy mode. Grow the hell up. The devs made this decision, it's their decision to make, and they should not be forced to change their game for entitled whiners.

>that LOD
How can you possibly make a game that has worse-looking landscapes than fucking Oblivion in 2019?

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Drones and apologists, and criticism that have never been the mainstream opinion over the years. Yeah people have had their issues with each iteration in the past, but those people tended to be the outside opinion so lol who gives a shit. This one is different because, despite a hearty effort from those who do it for free, pointing out the glaring flaws in this gen is if not mainstream opinion then something really fucking close. The last time Masuda addressed any single gripe the fans had was the Battle Frontier with ORAS 5 (FIVE) years ago, and to that he basically said too many people that were buying the games were retards that would spend most of their time playing phone games instead so why bother with something tedious like content for your game. Imagine making a game under the assumption that people that buy it not only wont play it but will play something else holy fuck im still seething at this dogshit mentality to this day. Game Freak and a decent chunk of TPCI need to be leveled into the ground

It sounds like they don’t want to change much and let the money roll in so they can keep bankrolling games normal people care about

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I think it looks fine, what did you expect?

I’m buying one of each because I’m not an autist, and can enjoy a game that doesn’t have all this ridiculous shit you demand from it

Who's complaining about the cut Pokémon? You're the one bringing it up.
I literally don't care about which Pokémon are in or not, but you can't deny that this game's landscape looks fucking hideous for today's standards.

Oblivion looked incredible at the time

I'd be mad to at a game that hasn't come out yet user. But I have other things to enjoy

When's the next Pokemon Mystery Dungeon game?

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Oh my bad. I've seen this pic used for the cut pokemon issue and the ambiguous op message led me to think it was still based on that.

As for the graphic fidelity, meh. I'll grant it's low quality, but I honestly don't care. If the frame rate stays high, I'm more willing to accept low graphics.

I still like gen 4; but, gen 4 and 5 were not innovative beyond the physical special split. They should have been where they are now, experimenting with ACTUALLY HAVING POKEMON in the games outside of sprites in menus, during gen 4.

It's GameFreak's fault you troglodyte

You mean
>It's okay when Pokemon does it
Pokefags and Normalfags are on an entirely different level compared to Nintendofags when it comes to mindlessly consuming and defending shitty products, especially because for a lot of them, Pokemon is the literal only game they play and they legitimately do not know any better and can't be taught any better due to years upon years of indoctrination.

This
It's because Nintendo doesn't completely own pokemon though they collect most of the money, it's just a fat paycheck for them that they don't really want to mess with because they won't have complete control anyway.
>The decisions behind what's literally the HIGHEST GROSSING MEDIA FRANCHISE IN THE WORLD baffles me more and more with each day.
I don't see how. There's nothing baffling about it, Pokemon literally had it's most profitable year yet recently.
forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2017/06/01/the-pokemon-company-made-record-profits-last-year/#32604ae772e5

It won't approach that because no Pokemon GO, but at $60 the games are going to easily be the most profitable since maybe gen 2. Pokemon is still in a pretty good place recently. And Pokemon Masters might even just make them approach the pokemon go number again.

by being incompetent lazy fucks apparently

>Oblivion looked incredible at the time
But this game makes me feel like i've gone BACK in time about 20 years

Pokemon is mainly toy and merchandise. Gamefreak has about 150 employees, which means they have about 3/4 the manpower of Monolithsoft while working on multiple sets of games probably with a tighter deadline because merchandising dictates all.

Cutemon.

They sell to children and parents who don't know any better

Because Nintendofags can't handle good graphics despite being the same normie crowd who only watch action blockbuster capeshit with mindblowing computer graphics.

Wrong franchise.

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Even Gen 1 had Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, and Mewtwo actually appearing in the games with unique models. Gen 2 and 3 continued this trend with other special and rare Pokemon. Nobody wants to see 1000 pidgey and rattata shitting up their screen, the in-game models should be reserved for special pokemon because it makes those encounters that much more exciting. I can't comment on how things have changed after Gen 3 since Emerald was the last Pokemon game I played, after that I matured past childhood and moved on to better franchises.

>say number
>Then say bad!
Literally NPC.

>say buzzword
>then feel smart
literal drone

yeah this 90 billion sshit is getting fucking stupid
people only like saying it without any further thought because it's a big number.
It really doesn't even mean anything, if anything a franchise that big will have more restrictions as opposed to one controlled by a small group of people without billions of profit on a global scale riding on- OOPS oh shit my bad
I-I-I meant to say
>HIGHEST GROSSING 90 BILLION DOLLAR MEDIA FRANCHISE
>GAMEFREAK BAD AND LAZY!!!

whats sad is that I'm pretty sure if Sword and Shield fails they willl just stop making pokemon games for anything other than phones.

I had an argument with a friend about the direction of pokemon a few days ago and my he thinks they are legitimately trying as hard as they can but their best effort is what we are seeing.

By having die hard ignorant fans that will shovel shit into their mouths if it was branded as pokemon shit.
Game Freak lies straight to their faces consecutively and they hail it as gospel. Also that one plant that faked a rape allegation gave the sheep the ammo to deny all issue with the game.

Can someone tell me why Pokémon is the only franchise that can get away with having a graphically subpar game in 2019?
BotW got shit on for not having the same graphics and landscape as in the E3 reveal. Fallout 4 got shit on 4 years ago because it was just Skyrim's graphics with lots of lighting effects.
Pokémon Sword/Shield has the same quality of landscapes and maps I'd expect from a 2009 game but even then games from that time had better landscapes and maps.
I don't care if Pokémon are cut or not, but how can people be okay with those awful looking maps for Pokémon and not be okay with it for other games? The routes look like a kid's first Unity map.

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Hey, thanks for clearing that up for everyone smart guy.

Sounds like it. It's not the case though.
It actually sounds like they are lazy and want out of the Pokemon mines.
Since they have only new hires work on pokemon games as the vets work on virtually anything else.

If they're working on something else how is it lazy?

Too much pot will rot your brain, you should stop.

It's amazingly poetic how Game Freak's quality dipped to the trash as soon as Satoru Iwata came out of the credits list as fast as the Sw/Sh girl throws that incredibly bloated ball towards the air.

Pokedrones will swallow it anyway. Just their attempts to defend this shit should show you how low they're willing to go for their fix.

>gen 1-5 are more and more innovative with each generation
Delusional. Every Pokemon game since GSC has been 3 steps forward, one step back in terms of features/mechanics/gimmicks/etc.

Game Freak*
They're a bunch of lazy fucks who won't put anything but the bare minimum of effort in because "Making games is hard (laughs)".
They could always ask Nintendo for help since they've got the various dev teams, Monolith, IntSys who're probably finishing up with Three Houses' base game etc. Nintendo also have people like Koei Tecmo and Bamco who they're on good terms with and could have help make games. The former helping with Three Houses and the latter having helped with Smash and Mario Kart. Game Freak are too deaf towards their audience and what they want and probably just too lazy to make anything beyond a PSP quality game, graphically anyway. In terms of content, even less.

ALL of the terrain and rock textures there look fucking terrible. Not to mention the terrain surface looks like crumbled paper.

They are lazy on pokemon. They force newbies on the pokemon titles like other devs force newbies on making tree and rock models and the vets do anything other than pokemon. Like Giga Wrecker and Town.
Game Freak desperately wants out of the pokemon games and it shows.

Unreal ii the awakening looks miles better. fucking hell wtf is wrong with these faggots, is the whole company diversity hires nowadays or what

? those are literally decent graphics if you're not a pc fag

Because most of the fans of Pokemon are braindead teens who'll lap up anything with a Pikachu on it. If that weren't the case Lets Go wouldn't have sold as well as it did, even with the nostalgia factor.

Stupid fans.

id rather see that then get a bait and switch

It's not even decent for a switch.
That's ass end Ps2 at best.
Doesn't even stack up to pokemon's gamecube titles.

this really.

GSC was literally the last generation that was a total improvement on the previous game in every way. The next logical leap would have been to continue the work but add things which they actually attempted but shot themselves in the foot with gutting the endgame content, cutting the day night cycle and making it so that Legendary pokemon would be the focus of the games rather than the basic capture them all premise of the first two games.

GF taunting the fanbase doesn't help.

>Refuse to confirm if ORAS would have the Frontier or not but promise lots of post game for ORAS
>We get that fucking statue
>SM adds Anabel and looker talks about the Battle Tower
>USM had a book in Gamefreak's office saying the Battle Pyramid exists in that time line.

LGPE didn't even have a Tower clone and I'm now wondering if SS will bother with one.

>Looks like a shitty Wii game at best
>Looks like a middling Nintendo 64 game at worst

They won't, because it'd be too much effort to make new sets now that they can no longer copypaste from Gen 5-7 due to missing content and species.

Pokemon and Nintendo get an automatic pass for anything

pokefags deserve every shitty game they get

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They've been doing that since the 6th gen, you just didn't want to admit it and you waited for something big like next-gen consoles to finally complain. The early sign was when they gave up on Sprites for absolutely no reason.

Think about it logically.
You can draw a line on a piece of paper and sell it for 20 bilion, guaranteed.
Why would you try drawing a painting or something beautiful when line is enough?

Pokefags are like the bottom of the den autists, next to Sonic. They will buy ANYTHING with Nintendo/Pokemon logo.

As a GameFreak I would do the same exact thing.

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>haha wow, look at the textures that you won't ever see during combat!
>no national dex, no buy! I want my 400 useless preevolutions no one has ever used
>controllable camera? dynamax? coop raids? LOL, I'm gonna conveniently ignore all of that because it doesn't fit my narrative
>new designs SUCK! I want my literal cluster of magnets, goops of slime, and sentient pokeballs, thank you
>competitive battling is better than ever? Fuck you. I ONLY care about pretty graphics :P
Grow up, kids.

Even Sonicfags are better than Pokefags considering they managed to stop their endless shitflinging for just a few days to unite against the Sonic Movie.

So you understand that gen 1-5 have been more innovative every generation.
Since 3 - 1 is still 2. They still technically advanced.
While generations 6-8 have been 0 steps forward about 3 steps back. They are pretty much just removing features now.

>NPC tier responses
Good god, somehow tell Todd to make you a better script.

>>competitive battling is better than ever?

That's cute that you think that. Ferrothorn and Toxapex are already confirmed.

Isnt it nintendo fags who are pissed right now.

But why? Do they not play other games? Even Fire Emblem Three Houses got shit on and is still getting shit on.

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Plenty of "improvements" from GSC weren't all that good anyway. Day-night cycle was shit because many pokemon were exclusive to playing at specific times which meant you had to literally wait for something to happen. I could only play at night back then and missed a bunch of shit.
The NPCs calling you was dull, annoying and I activelly avoided giving my phone number to anyone.

Literally two markets buy pokemon games. The hyper casual who remembers how cool charizard was back in the 3rd grade, and the loser who buys everything pokemon and doesn't bathe

...and they would have gone to see it, no questions asked. They buy those fucking 1/10 3D Sonic games every time.
Autism and corporate cocksucking are mental illness.

Almost all pokefags I know don't buy that shit though. Its casuals and normalfags. the pokefag i do know that plans on getting it is a casual and just wants to relax while playing and i guess thats fine.

>reddit spacing
Oh no, stall pokemon, aka the best thing to ever happen to the meta, are back? Woe is me.

>Stall Gods are confirmed
>with no Megas or Z-Moves your only solution is to Dynamax or Gigantamax
>but at the same time Toxapex can effortlessly just Baneful Bunker > Recover > Baneful Bunker and waste your max
>"One of the reasons we're removing Pokemon is for balancing (laughs)"

The Pokémon Company realized they make much more money with social games like Pokémon GO and mobile trash. The main series doesn't bring nearly as much money, so the budget assigned to gamefreak to do the main series probably isn't that big.

>Nintendo
If Mario Odyssey was this bare bones and rushed people would go apeshit. Nah, this is all on Gamefreak.

>$19.99 budget rag tag team from China

How they did it?

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>I'm buying both versions
>I am not an autist
come again nigga?

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No friends means he needs two Switches and both versions in order to Catch 'Em As Long As They're In The Pokédex™.

They're just min/maxing

There 0 games like it.thats why.
The closests are digimon and yokai.
The former suck ass and changes every game because lack of identity, the latters lacks any meaningful multiplayer experience.
The only one that could match the monster madness that is pokemon is dq monsters and square only did remakes last gen.

gamefreak has less employees than Yea Forums. tpc funnels all the money so they can't even expand and hire people as they want

Imagine being so pussywhipped that a company BENEATH you has dominion OVER you.

>Tixapex
Wow a pokemon that was barely used las champions

only having 60 stolen assets and 4 attacks per creatures helps. crap template engine does the rest

>beneath
Ganefreak is where it is just for pokemon tpc takes the important decisions.

Lmao I'm buying 2 copies just to spite Yea Forums. Don't @ me. I don't even like pokemon

the cut pokemon are a way bigger deal.

Dragon Quest Monsters is close though

This

I don't trust anyone that dislikes Nintendo

And medabots. and the indie game Temtem.
Monster Rancher. The SMT series as a whole. Which was the grandfather of the monster collecting genre in the first place.

Unironically true, anything that looks like shit but is a Nintendo house hold franchise gets a free pass because of brand boot licking. Its fucking embarassing

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Only in Japan.
If DQM were to go for the yearly release route, however, I could see it becoming a legitimate competitor to Pokemon there, which is all that matters to a Japanese Company.

This is largely on Game Freak though. Genius Sonority made some nicer-looking Pokemon RPGs on the fucking Gamecube that actually had some modicum of effort into animating.

Nobody is disliking Nintendo.
Just gamefreak.
Game freak isn't a Nintendo owned developer.

it's called respecting your elders kiddo. If it comes from Nintendo, you respect it

You literally cannot defend this though. Pokemon is the most profitable franchise in gaming and it has nothing to show for it each year and each game. Its highway robbery

Are monster genres doomed to mediocrity?
I just started realizing this, but digimon also only animates siganture moves well and has less tha 300 digimons usually. DQ ends up with 2/3 of the monster being reskins and rpgs like ff/tales/similars also reskins their monsters and reuse them.

Is it factible to have a 800 monster compendium of unique models and unique animations for ech attack without budget gettin skyrocket?

People don't want a yearly release route for pokemon. They want a good pokemon game.
They want them to put some fucking effort in or let someone else make a game instead because they sure as fuck ain't doing it.

>4 attacks per creature
Better than 20 "standing still while you take damage" animations.

we are reaching a point where assets can easily be reused as you can just upscale them.
and thats the fun part with pokemon, the assets are all done, yet they still cut them.

Nintendo is for people who do not have sex (kids and autists). I do cannot take them seriously.

SMARR INDIE COMPANY

PLEASE UNDERSTAND

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Medabits and indie wint ever be popular.
And smt only applies to the mainline which is far inferior to even get noticed since atlus only pushes the persona line which is more akin to a normal rpg rather then a paty monster rpg.

PLEASE

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>gamefreak is now nintendo because ... because
stupidity was never an excuse.

lol what

Nintendo is for people who are good looking and have lives

Bro,

cute girls like a man who embraces Nintendo - anything else is trying too hard ;a turn-off with women

I like l
pussy a little too much to be seen with a ps4 or xbone controller

UNDERSTAND

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no mainline pokemon game ever reached even AA budget. gamefreak has 143 employees total, not even half are in the dev team. in the USA they'd be considered indie

not him but why is this animation bad? looks good to me

>lazy
a blank word that put the whole argument over your feelings and how you think you deserve more or less of things without talking about it at all. you probably use "fun" a lot too.

They're a subsidiary of Nintendo. The studio doesn't see the profit their games make and the budget is determined outside of their control before they even start working on it. People blame Gamefreak but it's a branch of Nintendo that makes the decisions for them. If the game was truly first party things might be different.

Yet we dint see that, why is that?. As i said most rpgs reskin their enemies and have only 4 sets og animations however. Even witcher 3 a AAA reslined most monsters and thise were already few.

You think Persona isn't a monster capturing game? Have you played a Persona?
Who has to be popular. Just listing alternatives to a franchise that has been shitting the bed for at least 6 years now.

The only step back gen 5 took was no following pokemon.

So it's back to the "stolen" assets now, eh? The "million dollar studio is behind this" angle didn't work out well enough I wager.

most of the arguments are based on snoygers definition of a "good game", aka total focus on cinematics, textures (but no fps 24 is perfectly fine in their book) and namedropping celebs and sales numbers.

It isn't, that's from a cheap chinese bootleg knockoff made for mobile devices

>How the fuck do they get away with it?
Reminder that they're trying to make a game on the SWITCH.

It can't run anything. It's not even a real system.

>Nintendo is for people who are good looking and have lives

Speedrunning community is THE Nintendo community, take a quick glance at them.

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>STOP USING REALITY YOU DESTROYED ME ONCE ALREADY IT'S NOT FAIIIIIIIR

>playing persona AND pokemon
You are the worst kind of person and are setting back the development of SMT V by another 15 years.

>Model moves a centimeter straight up
>This is an attack animation
You know your quality is fucked when chinese bootlegs are better than you

really? haha holy shit.

>nobody gave a shit about those things in past games
>now they cut pokemon in favor of better graphics and animations
>it's a complete surprise to the drone that people start to focus on those things now
I don't even want to understand how someone can become as deluded as you.

I play all things SMT.
From the first game back on Super Nintendo to what's currently available now with the shitty phone game.

Everyone's played a pokemon by I hopped off at Black and white 2.

Don't believe yourself someones superior when all you are doing is making yourself look like a jackass.

They also cited balance as a reason, meanwhile you have meta classics like Tyranitar, Ferrothorn and Mimikyu returning and Gigantamax seems like it'll be more cancerous than Mega Fug when they invariably give it to a shillmon like Mewtwo.

Addiction to:
Competitive
Collecting
Breeding
Nuzlocking

What went wrong?

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Play a SMT game then.
All you miss out on is competitive. and competitive play for pokemon is rank ass anyway.

>reddit spacing
Go back

at least it has the animations to back up the shit backgrounds. Besides, its not like pokemon can LITERALLY BUY NEW YORK or anything

Bad bait

when you have a new game with new assets its absolutely understandable that the existing assets get copied around. its reasonable.
but when you make a sequel with a similar art style it would be stupid not to reuse the previous games assets to create something nicer and bigger.

an extreme example is MVC2. the game has like 60 characters and more than 90% of them are recycled from multiple games.
some character sprites were reused in seven games. things like that are still possible, and thats why people are so upset with the pokemon cutting in Pokemon sword and shield. if they did not have all the pokemon ready it would be almost understandable. but the thing is they HAVE them ready. the 3D models have been created for X and Y already and they are easy to scale up.

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This. They could shit the biggest shovelware in existence and I would still pre-order 5 copies without a question.

>Do they not play other games?
Yes.
They literally only play Pokemon games and sometimes mobileshit other than GO and soon Masters, which is why they have zero understanding of quality nor do they know they're getting fucked over, and due to extreme brand loyalty stemming from nostalgia (most likely during Pokemania) they take any attack on Pokemon as a personal attack, to a degree greater than any situation where a personal attack is deemed valid.

Game freak wasn't responsible for the stadium and gamecube games and the dev teams behind those games weren't given the exclusive right to make mainline games instead of game freak. That's what went wrong.

This. Nintendo fans are mentally ill. Nintendo caught on and name the games all flash no substance. Nintendo hasn't made a good game in at least a decade, every game they make is shallow and boring. This is the company that is chasing ubisoft design trends after all.

And you lost.
Nice talking to you. Been a blast blowing open a shitposter shill like yourself. Hope you got your two cents and that nice tiny dick in your mouth you were hoping for from game freak.

Good day and get better material.

>>Smash Ultimate literally puts every character in the franchises history
what's about undertale.

Nobody is bitching at Nintendo here though.
This is all about Game Freak. A developer that isn't a first party dev for Nintendo.

Why does it matter what I play? The post was a list of reasons for people staying hooked.

Undertale isn't a Nintendo franchise.

It can't do you not know how businesses work? Can't believe you guys are all so brainlet that you see a near meaningless big number and think that what they have sitting in a bank waiting to be wasted on the game budget

And I told you a game series that does the same shit and is just a better series currently.
Stay mad.

>smt
>collecting
When the day comes that SMT doesn't have a stupid tiny ass cap on the amount of demons you can have at a time is when it might have a chance being a substitute for pokemon

The stadium games and colliseum were fucking awful and devoid of any conent. Why people look at them with any hope is beyond me.

>earthbound isn't a Nintendo franchise.
neither persona 5

>Nobody is bitching at Nintendo here though.
Revisionism in the same fucking thread. Amazing.

zoomer cope

Why do you nintenfags always make excuses for Nintendo (Gamefreak in this sitiation) and never actually defend the games you say you love so much?

I don't follow. Do you think I was that guy or something? Haven't played a Pokémon game for a couple of years now.

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That would require effort.
Pokemon in its entirety is incapable of effort to such a degree that even its fans can't be bothered to put effort into things.

Listen up, zoom zoom. I will sit here and enjoy my new pokemon game, and you will be riding your school bus, seething and coping as all your friends play with their switches on the bus, while you continue to browse reddit, adjusting your glasses in frustration as you listen to the gleeful sounds of your friends battling and trading with one another.

every fanbase has a breaking point.
even blizzard games and star wars lost their appeal.
EVEN STAR WARS.

Shame too, I used to love pokemon, but it feels like every game after gen 5 is a cashgrab.

Nintenbabies go to way of defending new shit is saying the old games (that they previously hyped up) are actually trash, usually in the form of making some false equivalency that the new shit people think is bad is no different from before. It's a constant cycle of gaslighting to hype the current trash because they can't defend them on their own merits.

zoom zoom

That's why the Demon compendium exists moron.
So you just fill the list and buy the demons you want to use back.
Earthbound ain't Undertale. Yeah. the dumbass that made undertale started out making a shitty romhack of earthbound but undertale isn't connected to earthbound outside of the creators obsession with the game.
I told that post that too.
Everyone is made at Game Freak for the pokemon issue. not Nintendo. because Game Freak is a bunch of lazy lying shits.
Nobody is bombarding Nintendo's twitter account with Dexit bullshit. Just Pokemon's

retard

But the animations dont get passed around unlike sprites.
Thats what im talking about. Complain whatever you want about they not having time to port all those models thats fone.
But people asking for great animations for one model which has access to more than 50 moves and also has few joints is rediculous.

The thing is that these animations are from a chink bootleg gacha game

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>got your own containment board
>still shit up Yea Forums with this trash

?????

>used seething and coping ironically
>Thinks he ever had a chance to begin with.
I drive the bus child. now sit down. shut up. or I'm confiscating your switch, and Giving it to that teacher that hates you. Then you won't get it back until the end of the year.

The stadium ganes were the definition of zoomer they were just battle simulators.

they do get passed around.
fighting games do it between sequels, action games do it and pokemon games do it too.
tons of examples of sword and shield using X/Y animations for pokemon.

and thats the spot we're at. first they say they have to cut pokemon because they want to polish animations, then we find out that they are using the same animations they have been using for a decade now.
so basically we're getting less.

Even though Gen V had "heart" it was still the first games in the main series that was kusoge (unless you count the technical issues of D/P that were fixed with platinum) Start of nonexistent big circle region design, adding nothing of note gameplay or gimmick wise and have abysmal new designs that are ripoffs of gen 1 and ugly animated sprites. BW2 only gets praise because it's babies first (which is crazy)

I could at least get though them though, literally couldn't tolerate a playthough of gen 6 and 7.

>Nintendo gives all their other major IPs the respect they deserve, except for pokemon:
Na bro, Fire Emblem is a Persona High School OwO game now.

but with soul

/vp/ was made before the newfag staff took over. gookmoot and his facebook mods don't understand how the site works which is why we still have ancient filters like baka desu senpai active.

Smt had to wait until p5 to enter 3d. And persona 5 had only like 200 demons with little to no animation too.

>buy the demons
Which is a big restriction considering that you don't have unlimited money, and you need money for equipment and stuff as well. COMPLETELY different from pokemon. The game restricts you in a way that it deters you from being able to try and test out anything you choose, unlike pokemon which offers far more freedom.
SMT is great, it's still fun, but it is NOT a substitute for pokemon.

Funny thing is these chinks stole these assets from a Creatures Inc. arcade game. Anyway you look at it, this is Gamefreak getting dabbed on and that's a good thing

Yeah. but they still put effort and money into FE.
Nintendo doesn't touch pokemon. They let Game Freak handle it and they just force new hires to make the game while vets work on the other game projects nobody wants to play. Like Giga Wrecker and Town.

to be fair Town looks really good. That's where all the talent in GF went

What?
I'm sorry I thought I heard you say something super fucking stupid.
>Smt had to wait until p5 to enter 3d.
Then what the fuck were all the SMT games on PS2? Do you fucking listen to yourself?
Which is a big restriction considering that you don't have unlimited money,
Money concerns go out the window halfway through any SMT game.

Should've contracted out Monolith Soft. They have the experience and actual skills.

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It really doesn't. Looks like Dokapon kingdom. Without the kingdom.

>he drives the bus
How's the wagecuck life treating you, zoom zoom? Stay in school and maybe you'll get a real job so you can actually afford this game.

Because aninations can get broken you idiot. So you ask in return for great animations for every shitmon and every shit attack which is like 300% more work than just porting and redoing the animatio.
And i told you complain about your quantity but thats obvious a time issue that was imposed by the tpc aka nintendo too. You should conplain to those that set those limits but i fucking now you guys wont do it because that would mean putting everybother shitty fanbase against you.

>I drive the bus
Honestly can't think of a more pathetic and less respected job.

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>implying anyone would like to touch pokemon
I mean nobody wants that franchise not even gf. The scope of it is too big for anyone to care.

It looks better then Pokemon for sure. Either way it was a fucking stupid move dividing your teams like that.

yes man I remember when I forgot to put my animations in the fridge and they spoiled.

no gen 4 was the real issue copying and pasting storylines and areas with gross evolutions of past lines. gen 5 trying to clear that fuck up by doing something original tho I wouldn't say they nailed the landing.
the sprites didn't look good all the time but most of the time they did and it was the most dynamic we've ever seen pokemon being
plus the gameplay was fast and fun, with a god amount of new tactics like gems.
the circle region was dull but the sequels fixed this. and yes some pokemon were pretty lacking but most of the designs were the best we've ever seen.
gen 5 was the last time game freak really tried their best but it sold poorly compared to the rehashed gen 4 so gen 6 and onward they stuck to that model of doing only what sells

It doesn’t even look like his feet are on the ground. Just how did they fuck up this badly.

youtu.be/OFXzvt0q-Qg

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Yeah. there is like 60 unique blades and they all have a myriad of animations for everything they do. and that's not counting the generics that have animations of their own for each of the 4 body types and like 8 weapons. So a added 32 other sets of animations.
Hows middle school treating you.

Making video games is hard, please understand

>a chinese knock-off company somehow managed to properly animate blastoise using his cannons, something gamefreak could not

that's just embarrassing

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>gen 5 sold poorly
Of course it did. Pokemon fans dont fucking care about new things they hate change the formula

No it wasn't, you will make more money by putting out two games. The quality doesn't matter, nintenbabies can't tell the difference between a good game and a bad game, just a nintendo game and a not nintendo game.

The funny thing is Nintendo used to understand their privileged position and were paranoid this if they put out a shit game people will lose faith in all their products. which was true, and the vast majority of the market who casually/core gamer plays ps4/pc/mobile now gives jack shit about nintendo games. Iwata killed nintendo with his blue ocean strategy of trying to carve out a niche of autistic smelly manchildren. They have no room to grow ever again.

Did you know that the inability to detect sarcasm if a major sign of autism?
Just thought you should know.

Terrific. I'm on summer vacation right now, so I no longer have to wait until the weekends to fuck your mom.

>less than 100 pokemons
Why poeple love this fals equivalence?

Ooh buddy. That's a hard no from me and the police there bud. It's a crime to rob a grave. Let alone necrophillia.

Their b-team is the one working on Pokemon. b team is mostly newbies, it shows.

How much does Masuda pay you for damage control?

I bet if you gave them 10 million, they could get you the other 800 pokemon

What does having less Pokemon have to do with them animating the water shots coming out of the cannons instead of his forehead?

oh your're shitposting now. Iwata didn't do fucking shit

Guaranteed if this company had more money and was told to do all Pokemon in existence they would.

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>no gen 4 was the real issue
Gen 4 had a good region, was a good graphic upgrade, had good pokemon save a few shit evolution and added good mechanics like the special/normal split.

The gameplay of gen 5 was garbage, it added nothing, and "competitive" was even worse cancer with weather wars"
>most of the designs were the best we've ever seen.
you're a retarded zoomer. Can't reason with the unreasonable.

Gen V is the first gen not worth playing. It sold poorly because it looked ugly, wasn't fun or interesting and wasn't a graphical upgrade from gen 4. It's chief fans are people who enjoy the cringeworthy ps1 rpg tier story.

I believe it. It’s pretty clear now that GF doesn’t give two shits about the mainline series anymore. Staff like Masuda got old and only want to play on their phones.

this is actually lovely.

Iwata implemented blue ocean strategy like I fucking said you ignorant zoomer.

someone must really like Ho-oh over on that team

This. Iwata was a cancerous faggot who made Nintendo stop competing directly with competitors and focus on finding their own niche, which amounts to making a bunch of shitty gimmicks they can price gouge for and cultivating autists.

>toucharcade.com/2016/07/28/who-owns-pokemon-anyway-its-complicated/
tl;dr Nintendo needs to sell their disportiantle piece of the pie to Game Freak so Gamefreak has full control and full incentive to make the games great again, instead of just living under Nintendo's heel and pouring more resources into trying to make their own stuff they have complete control over like Town instead

more like nintendo should buy gamefreaks chunk and give the series to proper developers.

it's okay when Game Freak does it*

GameFreak has only a b-team

if you buy this game, you are what's wrong with the industry.

I wasn't trying to shit on gen 4, the whole region isn't bad but it's where the rehashing started.
>no points at all
>unga bunga zoomer
can't reason with the unreasonable

>buy
Play. Idk if you pirate it, having shit taste and low standards is what kills the industry. Boycotts don't work, you need to change what the market wants fundamentally.

don't tell me what to do. Now I'm getting this day one

I really liked BOTW, even if it wasn't peak muh graphix. It at least had a great art direction, great interaction with the environment, and top animation.

This Pokemon just looks like shit, it's a shame.

is this a retarded american thing

BOTW is justified in not being the most graphics intensive game. it has a huge draw distance and quite a bit of stuff going on for being a switch game so some corners had to be cut.
Thats clearly not the case with Pokemon.

nope, canadian

no just an idiot thing

>no U
>what, you don't accept my retarded zoomer aphorisms like Gen V had the best designs in the series! you must have no points at all!
90% of Gen V was literally a Chinese knockoff rehash of gen 1 designs. If you don't notice this you are literally retarded. The whole point of making all the pokemon new was a homage to gen 1 for the 15th anniversary.

The most notable gameplay change they did was letting you know what stats natures (which are a shit mechanic) change. I didn't even acknowledge your gen 4 opinions because you're a retard and it's not part of the argument. Gen 4 didn't "rehash" anything but the fundamentals that are in all pokemon games that V+ fucks up.

>kusoge
You will never be Japanese you disgusting weeb

>Grow up, kids.
Funny, because once kids do that they realize how fucking shit these games are and always have been.

>entitled
Fuck off shill
We are literally entitled to a better product as paying customers, it's no different to complaining your soup has a dead fly inside it

Baudrillard talked about people getting their identity from consumer products and then getting more and more of their original identity getting taken over by a false identity supported by consumer products. This consumerist fetishism masquerading as "muh freedom" Americanisms is an obvious example.

BotW was good, it's just that it threw everyone's expectations for Switch sky high, I think. It came out in the beginning of Switch's life so it kinda speaks to the expectation's of future games. This is just embarrassing for GF.

It's just faster than typing actually a shit game/shovelware and it acts as a newfag filter.

Graphics arent PS4 tier realistic but I really love the artstyle and coloring. Looks great

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If it bombs they will just stop making mainline games and go mobile only. I hope you realize just how insignificant these games are anymore, it’s all about mobile and merchandising.

They'd propably go the Pokemon Master route and make it even more of a waifu simulator
Which I would support/spoiler]

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If you would not enjoy a pokemon x Blast Corps crossover, you go homu whitu piggu

>The whole point of making all the pokemon new was a homage to gen 1 for the 15th anniversary.
and it worked. like I said not all the designs land, I don't like the karate duo or the clowns, but that doesn't disregard all of the great bug types we got for example. there are more good to great designs than there are ice cream cones.
>The most notable gameplay change they did was letting you know what stats natures (which are a shit mechanic) change.
this was a good improvement for what was I agree a shit mechanic, this isn't on gen 5.
>Gen 4 didn't "rehash" anything but the fundamentals
and made it slower, uglier, and worse. from the visuals to the evil team to what little story there was it was all done worse here than in gens 1 2 and 3. nothing original was brought to the table they just upscaled the end of the world scenario and slapped on wifi to call it a day.
again I wasn't trying to shit on gen 4 with my first comment but you sinnohcucks just can't help yourself

I didn't know that GF was an indie company that made mobile games

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Looks like a Hyrule Warriors backdrop before I zoom in on it.

seeing these in order is nauseating.
fuck game feak

GAMER'S GONNA FREAK

>Nintendo gives all their other major IPs the respect they deserv-
F-Zero and Pilotwings beg to differ

MAJOR IPs, brainlet.

I need another Dokapon Kingdom god damn it why must you do this to me

The best part is that these are fucking starters. You'd think they would have the sense to put a little more effort into the most popular pokemon.

But they know it doesn't matter. They have contempt for the fanbase.

This game will turn out like Sonic '06 with all the poor, and easy to find, programming flaws that serve as a source of laughter followed by a sub 9 score from IGN. Confirm or deny, Yea Forums.

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>shooting water from his forehead

Bravo Masuda

“Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it” - Publilius Syrus.
Why be competent when you can sell shit just as well?

>ss has no effort
>all the world that was built, the story, the npc‘s, the lore, the gymns, wild area, the tournament shit and whatever we got as post game doesn‘t count
If you don‘t care about the world and story, why don‘t you just play fucking smogon?

CASUAL DOESN'T EAT THAT EXTRA PROTEIN IN HIS SOUP WHAT THE FUCK OH NO NO NO HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAVE SEX HAVE SEXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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Try sub 7 score. And then you're 100% accurate

capitalism is unironcially a race to the bottom. It's all about what the market can bare and killing competition as startups.

journos will not rank a pokemon game that low

8.8 happened too so Nintendo fans will be mad regardless of the results.

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You need another Dokapon kingdom like you need to lose another friend.

is not what he meant, how old are you kid?

Literally seething.

They definitely made the game look a lot better with shaders. Some of the models (the trees, the rocks, etc) still seem a bit nasty, but they're making progress.
Now if only they fucking fixed everything else. I swear to god this is the first Pokemon game I actually pirate instead of buying.

Big yikes

Nah man. Dead serious. My mother has been dead for about 10 years and that is actually a felony.

Literally go to bed.

Complaining about a fly is valid. It was not part of the soup when cooked. Complaining they didn't add carrots is more apt a comparison here.

Regardless, if you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that.

IT LOOKS LIKE A PS2 GAME, STOP DEFENDING THIS SHIT RETARD

Even better this is Pokemon Ga'ole and it's an OFFICIAL arcade game and you can see Blastoise is using its cannons

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The rocks are so bad I highly doubt they're final.

Because gamefreak don't make the models.

It's creatures.

Apparently the reason modern Pokémon games feel so unfinished is because they have strict deadlines. They can’t just delay it like Zelda or Mario. Instead, they have to keep up with the anime and tcg. They have to keep it consistent and fresh in people’s minds.
Not that I think this is a good reason, it’s just the reality. Like so many good things, becoming becoming highly profitable ruined Pokémon

Now explain exactly why they can't get another dev to help them?

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Why doesn't Nintendo step in and buy the IP and release the best Pokemon game ever?

That costs money and the fans will buy the games anyway.

Pokemon is owned by 3 different companies and each one have some aspect of franchise with pokemon company also being owned by those 3 companies.

Nintendo owns the trademarks, Creatures own the designs and GF have the rights to make main games. With pokemon company controlling everything like Card games, Anime manga, spin off etc to not fall under Nintendo obligation.

To make GF fuckoff they would need but a really fat share of them and at same time make Creatures and TCP agree with deal. Shit is a massive legal clusterfuck, unlike likes of FE and Fatal frame where Nintendo and someone else is on 50-50% each.

Nips can't just go around and give the boot to senior employees for being inefficient, that's what they call poor manners.

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>>Game for a handheld has charming, stylized graphics that aren't technically impressive

Imagine if you had higher standards for how your games look. That looks like a fucking 3DS game.

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All you hateful people who tell lies and slander about Nintendo here need to shut the heck up immediately!

This was running on Wii and by proxy on 3ds.

Gamefreak have no fucking excuse.

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>Company makes fun games for their loyal fans
>Company gets big due to loyal fans
>Company goes public, parasites board the ship (bankers, investors, sponsors etc.)
>Company becomes money milking machine, profit first and foremost, then everything else
>Everybody shocked by shitty games

Why are you faggots so surprised? Same thing happened to Blizzard, Valve, Ubisoft etc.

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>Posting an upscaled emulated game
moron

Cool except gamefreak issues go way back into RGBY.

>haha it was always bad!!!!! nothing has changed get hype!!!!

I'm saying that those incompetent fucks are stupid since forever.

TCPi being greedy kikes don't magically make GF better or anything.

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Nigga, why did you post this? For a split secound I got my hopes up.

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1 step forward and 2 steps back.

Nobody gets too far like that.

You don't make money by spending a lot of money on making the product bro.

>Yea Forums will still buy it
between this and fifa you niggers ruined video games

blizzard had the same approach and now WoW is dead.
chipping away at the good will you built up decades ago will ultimately lead to your downfall.

Yeah pokemon is more than just games. So after entering the 3d their flaws and rushness becomes more obvious.
But being honest it has stayed relevant thanks to those dealines.

Yeah but a good chunk of pokemon fans are casuals and kids that dont give a shit.
Wow demographics is manchildren mostly.

>i'm saying what you said I was saying and made fun of me for!
Typical double digit IQ nintenbaby false equivalency poster. Complete with anime reaction image.

This. People are in a bubble and don't know pokemon fans are ignorant of controversy and can't tell if the games are bad.

The best chance for pokemon dying is something like yokai watch actually replacing it. Unfortunately yokai ended up being a meme.

If pokemon has always been bad after gen 2 as people said what made it so popular ?

so who's pirating it
im not spending money on this effortless game made by hacks

>charming
no
>stylized
even for the style, it's pretty blurry and lacks detail

wow demographics have been casual and kids too. that game attracted EVERYBODY really.
hell people are getting sick of Star Wars and it didnt take long for Disney to ruin it all.

this is the first time actual criticism of the pokemon games broke into the mainstream. before that it had a perfect reputation essentially. now people will most definitely notice more of the cracks and developer lies.

More like see the roster early because GameFreak has shit plumbers, watch some dude with an early copy play the game, then play Showdown. I'll take Porygon's LSD shitstains on my screen over having Sword & Shield data on my system.

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At the beggining. But they chose to grow with its fanbase, star wars had killed the kid market back in the prequels. Pokemon has always appealed to kids even the fucking championships have kids there playing.
Most mainstream outrage died after the e3 you can even see the latest ad and trailer being mostly positive.
>it had a perfect reputation
Now im laughing. Gen5 and gen 3 had outrage from fans too. And whike they had a slip in sales they still sold a lot.

I'm trying to understand Gamefreak's gameplan here.
>want to make games that aren't Pokemon
>want those games to be as successful, if not more so
>put your newbies on the task of making the most important Pokemon game of them all (the first ever mainline console release)
>game turns out shit while your best guys are working on town
>now your company is known as the people who fucked up a Pokemon game, because the newbies couldn't into making the game good
>still expect their other title to do as good, if not better, than Pokemon has ever done
Almost all of their side titles, bar Yoshi, have been literal-who tier. Now they have possibly the biggest shit storm on their hands while hoping their literal-who side title can compete. Is this them trying to bury their own company?

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I hope the irony of these posts isn't lost on you.

This is entirely on GF. If Nintendo were in charge they'd actually give a damn, see Masters.

>star wars had killed the kid market back in the prequels.
?????????????????????????????

you spout nothing but nonsense.

Toy sells went to shit after the phantom menace. Star wars stopped being a juggernaut with kids then.

Nintendo isbpart of the tpc.
They are to blame too.
But instead of blaming the guys that want a new gen every years. Poeple only focus on the dev team.

NPCs really love the buzzword buzzword. It seems to be a cope because they constantly get called NPCs, trannies, soiboys, cucks etc. and can't accept people call them these things because they see them acting like them.

What PS1 game is this?

They know they are dead without pokemon money or Nintendo giving free devkits. But they are aware that people going buy pokemon independent of quality.

All those shitty excuses that people pay attention more on mobile than main games are pure bs to get more lazy.

looks more like psp to be honest. Same hardware but with less angular polygons that makes them look blurry.

People know if they put nintendo as target of their crusade they are going to get hate from every other fandom even if theu are to blame too.
Gf is the only viable target for them.

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>Game Freak desperately wants out of the pokemon games and it shows.
They want out, but they don't want to give up the money that comes in.

you pulled that out of your ass

that looks like shit

See. This is why Nintendo needs to buy Pokemon from GameFreak. GF is making Nintendo look bad even though Nintendo isn't responsible for developing the games.

It would cost over $1T to buy central park alone.

This looks ok

What does that have to do with what i posted?

they're incompetent but nothing's ever going to beat sega's 30 second load screens for a 1 sentence dialogue box into a second 30 second load screen combo.

That looks stunning. Just think how far we've come since the GB days.

Cultist loyalty and children.

pathetic

yes finally pokemon on a console looks like console games that came out back when red and blue were new.

Number of animations isn't a problem, you just need to hire more animators. GF could easily afford to hire 100 temps for 6 months and have each of them animate 8 pokemon and any of the moves it'd be possible for them to know. It's not even like a pokemon needs a unique animation for every move. Ember, Flamethrower, and Fire Blast are all going to be open mouth; the only difference will be the fire model. Tackle and Take Down will both be running at the target. Most Pokemon outside of ones that can learn Metronome will only have 5 or 6 animations, and even the ones that can learn Metronome and could feasibly have to do every move, you could still get away with having "generic physical animation" and "generic directed special animation" for those cases. No one is going to care if a handful of moves and pokemon combinations aren't 100% perfect if the bread and butter ones like Blastoise and Hydro Pump look great.

They're all that good. That team really likes Pokemon.

>digimon games have hundreds of digimon
>all of them have unique beautiful animations
>digimon actually following you
>games coming to PC this year
why haven't you taken the digipill yet

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People said that about WoW as little as four years ago when WoD hit 10M subscribers after launch. Now there are at most 1.7M subscribers and even the die hards like me have quit. Eventually you lose "the people that don't give a shit" and it takes a lot longer to win someone back who's disillusioned than it does to just put in the effort to keep them.

because the actual game is shitty.

this image can't be real.

>yfw despite how massive of a fuck-up everything pokemon is, it'll still outlast your life

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looks like witcher 3

That's the problem. They have no animators.
Creature makes the models. They are having nothing but newbies working on pokemon.
You don't need "More" people They need "Better" people.
Look at the fucking gamecube games. The devs for those games don't even contain a 10th of workforce that GF has for employed and they still made better pokemon games than GF has in the last 15 years.

They have the money. But they don't have the know how nor the will to improve.

will dsp outlive pokemon

that video was one of the creepiest things I ever saw. Even worse is thinking how much more the technology has progressed since then and kept secret

link?

it's been ages dude, google re animated dog head or something like that

Don't mind me, just here to show a screenshot of Dragon Quest 8, a game that released for the PS2 in 2004. Carry on.

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Because the games don't exist to inspire people with their gameplay or wow people with their visuals. They exist as a kind of reminder advertisement for merchandise in addition to a product that makes the IP owners money. It's simple cost benefit analysis. If people have been buying relatively lazy, low effort sequels for 20 years, why fix what isn't broken? Why pour money into a game if it'll have the same sales record regardless of overall polish? Pokemon is on the last legs of it's lifecycle. It stopped being a product that had to entice consumers a long time ago. Now it's a brand that people are conditioned to respond to positively. Like fast food or coca cola, the overall quality doesn't matter. People respond to the branding more than they respond to the actual product. Spending more money on the games would be counter-intuitive, because you're just setting up consumers with higher expectations that'll cost more money to maintain.

Why feed a cow expensive food when the cheap grain produces the same milk?