FF1: A group of adventurers restore the power of four elemental orbs and close an infinite time loop

He definitely hasn't played the game. I'm starting to think most people on Yea Forums who discuss FF7 have only watched Advent Children and read about/discussed the original game on forums but not actually played it

So i never played it but basically FF8's plot is that Ultimecia couldn't get anyone to dick her so she decided to be alone in compressed time?

FF8's plot is that Ultimecia was so terrified of her own death prophecy that she caused the events that would inevitably lead to her ultimate demise by creating a stable time loop.

I've never understood this debate, and maybe Yea Forums can enlighten me. At least I hope so, often sincere questions here are met with the internet hate machine hivemind, and are compounded with bitter paranoid /pol/ bullshit.

So with that qualifier, what evidence is there that Sephiroth influenced Jenova instead of the other way around? I haven't played the game in several years, so my memory is rusty, but I recall that Jenova cells were injected into him as part of a super-soldier project, and to a certain extent, so was cloud. Maybe I was too inattentive, drunk, or high when I played FF7, but the plot seems a lot simpler to me than what people say on the net.

So bearing that in mind, I genuinely want to know what the story is supposed to be, with evidence. I played the north american ps1 release only, so I base all my knowledge of the game from that.

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>game literally tells yo
You haven't played the game.

Where's the summary for X-2, 11, 12, 13, 13-2, 13-3, 14, and 15?

Post a screencap or direct confirmed source of the game's exact dialogue in which this is outright stated.
Not hinted; not poorly translated and left to assumption; not left floating in the air.
Post when does the game tell you Jenova has nothing to do in the matter.

FF8 has a much better story than X.

I would have summarized them if I played them.

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brainlet opinion

The easiest way to spot a fortnite player is to see if they hate FF8. 10/10 Fortnite players hate FF8.

I'm thinking of playing all the FF games in order. What's the best way to play FF1? I was thinking of just getting a rom of Dawn of Souls for GBA.

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10-2: Some girl and some guy died a billion years ago and now the dead guy is fucking pissed and is going to use a robot made by the planet to destroy everything but three sluts stop him by changing their clothes every other turn. Also some kid invents mako energy and causes FF7.

FF13: One of the gods on the planet wants to die but can't kill itself so it tells a bunch of people to do it with a command that if they ignore they'll die so they try but god makes it really fucking impossible instead of just keeling over

13-2: Some bitch gets lost in time cause some guys gotta fix it cause some other guy is real fucking mad he lost his fuck able cunny living onahole

13-3: let's go to Paris France

It left a bad taste in my mouth since I was a brainlet kid who didn't understand how the draw system worked. It'll probably be a lot better once I get around to replaying it.

PS1 or NES for classic experience dawn of souls for baby mode.

The second easiest way is to see if they love FF9. 10/10 Fortnite players love FF9.

The game stops having storyline after a little while and doesnt bother to explain shit. What happened to the Ancients? Why is Sephy calling a RE tyrant mommy and apparently getting the script saying the end world McGuffin is over here? Why do you try and stop Shinras plan to nuke the meteor other than wanting the l33t power up rocks for youself?

is right about the GBA being baby mode, but truth be told, you'll probably enjoy the game more that way. I'm not even trying to be insulting, the GBA version has a lot of quality of life updates. Just remember that if you play that version that you're playing easy mode.

Dear god the NES classic experience is fucking miserable

What's the best version of FF5? I want to do another job fiesta run.

>The easiest way to spot a black person is to see if they have a head. 10/10 black people have heads.

It's a re-run.

GBA. Install the music patch, if the music is important to your experience of a game.

Not true. Black people can hide under masks and such. Smell is usually the best method, can't hide that no matter how hard they try.

That's what makes it so good. PS1 is a good compromise.
Yeah PS1 is a good middle ground I think. But I haven't finished the GBA version. Dropped it when I saw mana instead of spell charges.

What makes it so different from the classic or ps1 version? Did they lower the hp of bosses or something?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>point
>(You)

I got the point you were trying to make. My point was that your example was retarded and doesn't work, while mine has a 100% success rate, thus rendering your "point" shit.

NES FF1 and psp FF2. FF1 remakes make it play like the most basic generic jrpg so soulless. FF2 is fucked so you might as well play a remake.

>What happened to the Ancients?
If you don't know the answer to this question then you haven't played the game, or suffered catastrophic brain damage.

>People still pretend MP vs spell charges means anything when the latter half of the game is all about those infinite use spell equips.

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FFT: History forgets the real hero who destroyed a thot with a nice body

>What happened to the Ancients?
Jenova took human form and manipulated them. It then killed a bunch of them and spread a virus that turned many of them into monsters.The survivors sealed it away in the northern crater until it was discovered by Dr. Gast. His recordings in the northern lab go over most of this.

>Why is Sephy calling a RE tyrant mommy and apparently blahblahblah
Because he was the only SOLDIER created by injecting Jenova cells while in-utero instead of after birth. He learned where the black materia was when he was thrown into the lifestream by basically absorbing the knowledge and memories of the planet. It's explained in Cloud's flashbacks.

>Why do you try and stop Shinras plan
Because the cast knew it wouldn't work, and the huge materia's power would help in the fight against Sephiroth. The cast literally say this.

I agree that ps1 is a good middle ground. Personally, I don't have the patience for the loading screens anymore.

Spell charges being changed to an allotment of MP is a big one, as points out. FF1 on the NES has this thing where if you command all of your characters to attack a single enemy, and the enemy happens to die in the midst of those commands, your party members will continue to hit dead air, wasting their turn. On one hand, this encourages the player to plan their turns more strategically, but on the other, it's a pain in the ass when you're just trying to get through another non-threatening random battle. This is primarily what I mean by quality of life updates.

Plus the GBA and PS1 versions were made with the benefit of hindsight, and a lot of the bugs in the original were ironed out.

Isn't Sephiroth Hojo and Lucrecia's son that they wanted to have to experiment on while she was pregnant? I thought Jenova cells went far back as that. Sephiroth found out that shit about himself, went nuts and did the Nibelheim massacre and got thrown into the lifestream when Cloud threw him over right? Sorry I'm pretty rusty and haven't played anything FF in awhile.

It does. Reviving in combat is casual shit too.

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Alright nerds. Post'em.
>Favorite FF
>Favorite Food
>Darkest Secret

So what is the point of this recurrent thread ?

VIII
N/A, I hate eating
Choked a dog to death once

>Tactics
>Chicken sandwhich
>let my neighbour's dog knot me when I was 14 while he watched

If you know what I mean.

>responding to the FBI
shiggy diggy

They already know.

t. spoony

>5
>A hearty beef stew
>I tried to kill my 2 year old brother when I was 5 by tricking him into eating Comet. I missed his mouth and blinded him instead. To this day everyone thinks I was trying to make him into the Hulk because it turns your skin green.

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14: A guy (or girl) with the power of flashbacks tries to stop an invading empire from taking over while also being a supernatural Orkin Man and swatting life-sucking god-creations called Primals. Then Bahamut nukes everything.

14 NEW CHOICE: A guy (or girl) who may or may not be the guy or girl from the first try at this shows up 5 years after the first try at this, gains the power of flashbacks and has to stop the empire from invading and taking over because they didn't get the hint the first time.

14 HW: The protagonist has to use the power of flashbacks to murder a dragon because a bunch of gnomes framed them for murder and so they have nothing else to do. Then they have to use the power of flashbacks to convince a bunch of asshole elves that dragons aren't all evil and it was just the one guy being a douche because the elves were douches first probably.

14 SB: An asshole who betrayed the protagonist drags the four nations the protagonist is aligned with into trying to reclaim the fifth nation that was originally part of their continental group from the empire, but the protagonist gets distracted and frees China from the empire before remembering what they were doing. Meanwhile a man with long swords and long hair who is NOT Sephiroth develops a boner for the protagonist and then kills himself over it.

14 SHB: Before the protagonist can stop The Empire from taking revenge for the crown prince killing himself, the protagonist's flashback powers are used against them and all their buddies to drag them off to an alternate copy of the world that was 90% destroyed by some other asshole heroes fucking it up on accident. The protagonist runs around and beats up a bunch of the light-spewing monsters that are about to make the entire place explode, and then gets really fucking sick because sucking up monster souls is a bad idea. Drama ensues.

5
Jambalaya
i was one of those embarrassing sonic recolor OC sprite comic fags

I approve of this.

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>wiki-only user BTFO

Some of these summaries sound really cool as something to just run with and make a story of their own instead of just an FF simplification.

materia loadouts, not characters, are important to ff7, the only possible exception would be limit breaks, which is what this is likely based on

Hang on though, firstly, what is the context of this dialogue? Secondly, what makes Hojo an unbiased source?

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What's comet?

What a fucking retard. FF8 has it's problems, but holy fuck you just anonymously embarrassed yourself.
Have sex since vidya is too hard for you.

the gba version would be the definitive version if the music patch also restored sound effects, as it is it's garbage.

Fukkn based

>Even that bullshit X 2.5 thing where Tidus kicks an exploding blitzball is less stupid.

This is so absurd I still refuse to believe it till this day

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Also weapon choice and natural stat disposition.

Tifa gets Godhand that turns her into a deathblow machine coupled with her naturally high STR with absolutely no effort and if you do want to put effort she's got whacky damage boosting weapons when she's in a danger state that shit out even more damage. Plus her limit break murders everything through disc 1 in one blow.

What about 11? You forgot 11! And 12!!!

>2.5
Let's not talk about this, senpai

It's a cleaning product. It can irritate your eyes with contact but it doesn't cause blindness.

He had Jenova's head. It's something that's easily missed and something people seldom question, but he chopped off its head so he could use it to trigger a Reunion and control the body later - his plan got put on hold when a certain grunt lobbed him into the Lifestream, but the head stayed with him, and when he woke up (due to Cloud 'waking' the Jenova body up in Shinra HQ), he was able to remotely use it as an avatar body for himself via the head, forcing the body to assume his form and kick his plan into action. Since Jenova had no mind of its own (it is stated in-game by Professor Gast to just be a simple virus colony that acted only on impulse), the fact that the body was actively tormenting Cloud throughout the game is proof enough that Sephiroth's will was the one guiding it, not the other way around.

>and when he woke up (due to Cloud 'waking' the Jenova body up in Shinra HQ)
I don't remember this.

>Desperately scrambling

Which just compounds the problem of LMAO NO INVENTORY SPACE which is the most irritating part of playing FF1.

ZOOMER BTFO

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Cloud walks up to the body in Hojo's lab. He touches the glass, the screen flashes red, and he has another mini-meltdown, then the whole party leaves the room. The party gets captured moments later, and the body breaks free and goes on a murder spree while everyone's locked up. Not too hard to realize the body reacted to the Jenova cells inside Cloud when he touched the glass and had his breakdown, which is why it was dormant for YEARS up until that specific moment.

12: Star Wars, but there's magic rocks and bunnygirls

Post a screencap or direct confirmed source of the game's exact dialogue in which it is outright stated that Jenova was in control.
Not hinted; not poorly translated and left to assumption; not left floating in the air.
Post when does the game tell you Sephiroth has nothing to do in the matter.

You see, I can do that too. Absolutely nothing in game suggests the theory that Jenova was ever in control. Yet there wre multiple hints it was Seph, and there's also the fact thaz FF stories aren't really nuanced but always roght in your face.
Why would Jenova care about taking Seph's form multiple times? Why would the Reunion happen at Seph's body and not, like Hojo suggested, at Jenovas body? This, by the way, is something Hojo also explicitly says, he was surptised the Reunion happens at Seph's because he controls everything. Jenova also wasn't the finak boss in the slightest. The last THREE battles were against Seph. Yes even Cloud fighting the influence over him in his mind was pictured with Seph. If it indeed was Jenova at the very least the mind battle would hsve been against her.
Not to mention the writer confirmed it was Seph (though writers are dorks sometimes with their revelations years kater, I give you that).

Absolutely nothing in the game substantiates the idea Jen had any control in theevents if 7 and the whole Jen theory was never anything more than a fanwank theory.
Also a big fat LOL towards the retard saying "everyone thought it was Jen back then". You fags always were just a vocal minority. You are to FF what trannies are to sexy women in vidya.

>FFXIV / VII
>A good beef stew
>I'm a girl (male) but secretly female

Ah I see now. I was mixing it up and thought you found the body after you were arrested.

I'm a different user from the one you were initially arguing with. I only wanted context because I couldn't remember the specifics of that point, having last played the game close to a decade ago. And learn how to greentext you nerd.

>7/9
>egg sandwich
>I've been a NEET for 6 years straight after I gave up finding a job after graduation. My sister brought me a ps4, and I usually buy games on sales and sometimes I split my NEETbux with her.

>FF7
>Hungarian goulash
>I'm in love with one of my only true friends. But the relationship is most likely one sided from my point of view and I pretty much don't exist to her compared to the dozen of better choices she surrounds herself with. To this day, your resonate with kid-Cloud and that's a bad thing.

retard

Christ you're a tranny with shit taste

That post didn't require greentext because he reworded the request.

I* resonate with young cloud. Christ, I'm incompetent.

To add to that, we can also infer that this is when Sephiroth woke up, too - the body assumes his form and immediately starts fucking with Cloud specifically, because he knew Cloud was there. It unlocks the doors to the prison so Cloud and co. can escape; it leaves a MASSIVE trail of blood right in front of the cell doors leading all the way up to President Shinra's office, then leaves a replica of the Masamune in the President's back before disappearing. It may as well have left a note saying 'SEPHY WUZ HERE!' at that point - Sephiroth was awake, in control, and knew the person who 'killed' him was in Shinra HQ at that very moment, and decided to get even by breaking him mentally instead of killing him while he was helpless in a prison cell.

>6
>Carbonara
>At every given point of my life so far I've had people I told "I love you" but genuinely I have no idea if I've ever truly felt the emotion or just really wanted to

>Because the cast knew it wouldn't work

How in the fuck could they possibly know that?

Just confess to her my dude. If you say “you're comfortable with things right now”, then you're a coward and a cuck. Just be upfront. If she bails, then so be it. Easier for you to move on and find a new target. And for some weird reason, your old crush will be flirty to you once you have a new girl.

Hojo is talking about the Reunion and why the clones all were drawn to the Promised Land.

how does compressing time prevent that? what the fuck does "compressing time" even mean

This reads like a cutscene skipper, the fuck this is like maybe 10% of it and the most inane parts of it.

FF5
A good beef stew with rice
I've felt jaded and demotivated for the past 11 years, with moments that seem to stop the sensation but before long it returns again. I'm pretty sure the only thing that keeps me going is the fact that i'm able to make a difference in other peoples lives due to working in healthcare and bringing joy to people around me. I'm just so bored.

Spoiler doesn't make it a dark secret user

SMT: Punch God in the face

Tifa with Powersoul + Death Sentence on her + Deathblow = murder everything starting late disc 1 to end of game with ease.

IX just keeps on getting more and more based.

OP didn't summarize shit, this is a super old copy pasta

Plsy Xenogears.
Sephiroth/Jenova/One Winged Angel is an Id/Ego/Superego thing (not in that order) as well as a Father/Son/Holy Ghost thing.

Anyone who says one fully trumps the other is an idiot or trying to sell Sephiroth merchandise alongside his terrible FFX light novel.

She basically collapses all of reality - past, present, and future - into nothingness, killing everything that isn't her while keeping herself alive in a singularity where time doesn't flow. It's stupid, and she's basically trapping herself in FF's version of Chrono Trigger's/Cross' End of Time, but it doesn't matter because we never get to see it come to complete fruition anyway, as it allows Squall and co. to travel to the point in the future where Ultimecia is to kill her and close the loop.

Most based game in the series. It has honestly the best realized setting/backstory of any FF game. Only thing dragging it down is the slow gameplay.

>I’ve never actually played an SMT game before
No SMT has ever been “Le xd punch god,” YHVH is basically incomprehensible in SMT along with the axiom.

X, fried chicken, I'm not black.

>sephiroth is the villain!!!!!
>normie secondaries that started with crisis core

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It's really dumb and ignores how effective villains work in order to be "clever" and surprise the audience. Which is why people came up with that Rinoa = Ultimecia shit. They just couldn't deal with the idea that most of the game is aimless nonsense for an unsatisfying twist.

Plenty of women do that shit when they second guess themselves and realize they fucked up. user's problem probably stems from his kid cloud shit. If he's anything like him that means he's probably obsessive and puts that shit on a pedestal, just like cloud and tifa. If that's the case he should give up and get help or some shit since it sounds like abandonment issues at work.

user if you're reading this leave her alone and seek help.

t. Psyche student with a similar guy like you orbiting me. Haven't their heart to tell him to fuck off yet.

I'll do mine
>FFX
>butternut squash soup
>got a beta orbiter who thinks he's my friend but I honestly keep him around for free shit. Steam sale was nice to me this year.

stay mad that people are finally starting to realize that FF8 is kino, instead of getting their opinions from a fucktard e-celeb

because nobody asked for it.

FFXI - Adventurers discover a plot around reviving the beastmen's god Shadowlord, who was killed 20 years prior a war that united waring countries vs the beastmen.Turns out some cucked loser murdered his race traitor THOT love interest and her lover who then became the Shadowlord out of pure rage.

RoZ - After failing centuries earlier killing most of their race in the first attempt to open the gate to the gods. Princes of Ancient Humans called the Zilarts, aim to repon the path to paradise where the Gods live so they can keep their psychic race pure after years of plebs(non psychics) being born.

CoP - Other dimensional beings attracted by a curse of an evil god start seeping in to turn everything to nothing, Bahamut answer is to all kill the races the to stop the host of the Evil God being born. Adventurers go on a mission with an anicent loli to dropkick an evil god, who turns out to be a cucked janitor for the planet, jealous of Altana's races getting all her attention while the races went about ****ting up the planet (started by the Zilarts)

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And that disc 2 and 3 are meh.
And that Freya gets the shaft.
And that party interaction is so limited after disc 1.
9 is great for its ideas and presentation more than execution.

ToaU - Not Japan with an Arab theme open the borders to outside world because there game of tower defense is running out of fresh meat to feed the mcguffin everyone wants, meanwhile in the background avatar's Odin and Alexander plan to start armageddon over the mcguffin until adventures with autistic girl with puppet and a ghost pirate ruin their plans.

WoG - opening the gate to the gates weakened barriers between 2 dimensions, Altana ask Cat Sith to fix it, accidently ****s up asking Atomos to clean up which his answer is eat the weaker universe, que time travelers ****ing up each others timelines to weaken each universe and finding out the world the adventurers live in is a fake copy made by Altana after her races lost the original crystal war against the shadowlord+Odin.

Adoulin - not america's colonisation project is not going well, needs help, in the fight of man vs nature with some dicking around by Hades for a laugh, fight off some ancient horror on a revenge boner.

RoV - with good wining all the time, the energy produced by the clashing of good vs evil is weakening allowing a dimensional universe eating cloud to close in. The answer is of course to become evil god in the future and fight your present good self to produce that energy again.

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Post wotg with each nation and also all 3 nations rank missions

>t.*record scratch*

...

That quote just shows that it's the Jenova body saying that - moments before it looked like Sephiroth, but it transformed to fight the party. It's still technically Sephiroth using Jenova as a mouthpiece, but this was part of the reveal that you were chasing the Jenova body this whole time and had yet to meet the real Sephiroth face-to-face at that point.

>Dodges question
Based Hojo.

How come 7 and 10 ended up being such kino when all the rest are absolute shit?

thats alot more work than i want to put, next time this thread repeats i had the nation mission, wotg side stuff and the 3 addons

>Game says this is Jenova speaking
>n-nuh thar dunt count!
Fuck off.

What's meh about them?

They're too invested in their headcanon to accept such things.

Padding and repetition. Much less split party shenanigans and character focused scenes. Characters suddenly shutting up for some reason. They clearly rushed at the end and had no time to polish those discs as much, causing a clear dip in quality.

ive never played fortnite, but i did play ff8 on release
desu i was hoping for ffvii 2 back then
what i got was a massive disappointment
terrible story with some of the worst characters ive ever seen in a game up to that point
retarded combat mechanics designed to obscure rather than inform
without the guide, or the internet, no one knew what the fuck was going on

>Everybody talking about the game
>Nobody mentioning other boards or weird nazi conspiracy theories about politics
>Still has to mention /pol/
Why there's have to be a retard like you almost in every thread? Why don't you get a life or go to /pol/ to rant your insecurities on them?

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>true friends
>pretty much don't exist to her
user you should probably just cut contact with her and move on with your life.

Funny to think if Cloud had never gone to Shinra HQ none of it would've happened

>jenovas cells are implanted to sephiroth
>jenova is a creature whos only instinct is to literally manipulate and consume
>no sephiroth conquered jenova through pure willpower him calling jenova mother proves he had a sound mind
Disgusting zoomers

Only part that feels padded is the Garnet rescue bit in disc 2. There's still some pretty good character moments through those discs and the main plot progresses. I do agree some things feel thin on disc 3, but it's more because of space limitations than rushing I think. They were already pushing the PS1 to its limits.

>let my neighbour's dog knot me when I was 14 while he watched

Tell me more.

How does Jenova only acting on instinct make sense, though? She went through the trouble of deceiving, manipulating and destroying the Ancients by taking on a human form and being an insiduous little shit. I am pretty sure they wanted to further show that Sephy wasn't exactly being himself with the whole of Crysis Core wanting to show he was not really a murderous schizo by nature even when he was already Jenova'd.

>FF9
> Chicken Alfredo with flat noodles
>I was molested by my cousin twice and now that he's likely to die in jail I couldn't care less if he does.

Jenova is The Thing, end of story.

I'll admit I'm biased, as Freya was my fave.

The real debate is if Vincent is a cuck.

>neighbour is registered offender
>parents often away from home due to work
>am home schooled/self-taught because we move often
>neighbour offers hangout
>hormonal teenager me finds him hot despite he's like a 4/10 average balding Joe
>go to his house figuring he might want to molest me which mite be cool
>he says we should get naked because it's a dude hangout so it's all cool
>internally laugh at his inability to come up with anything better, roll with it, get instant boner
>we say nothing but immediately begin to poorly makeout while his dog hangs around awkwardly much trying to get attention
>eventually gets me on my knees on the floor and tells me to stick my butt out so he can see while he teaches me to blow him
>dog licks my ass, ignore it because dogs be dogs I guess
>dog really gets into it
>freak out a bit and try to shoo it
>he tells me to let it be
>assures me it's cool
>he likes the view
>says he'll pay 50 if I let the dog play
>dog immediately shoves itself into me, large dog, large knot, hurt like sin
>humps for about 10 seconds and blows
>stuck with dog knotted into me for next five minutes or so while blowing neighbour
>acquire 50 bucks and anal rupturing

I mean yeah, her character gets less attention after her arc is sort of finished. But that's FF standard. Each FF game has one or a few characters that it truly focuses on, while the others get their own little side arc and then are just there.

And with Hades + Elemental on her bangle she can't be killed by Doom from that one cursed ring but it still counts as Danger

You're right, and it's one of FF's biggest writing problems. Ganes like 5, 7 and 15 are better about it, but a lot of FF games basicalky ignire the supporting cast wheb they're desperately needed to keep things interesting and grounded. The lack of care towards characterization and agency is one of the biggest problens with X and 13's writing. Even Dragon Quest is better about this, it's a problem.

Motherfucker, I need to spellcheck.

FFV
pasta carbonara
I pee sitting on the toilet like a woman

To be completely honest I don't think 7 did break from that mold at all either (I like the game btw). 15 did it somewhat better, but it was also easier because only 4 main characters that act much like a tight band together.

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