Why is there such a huge contrarian backlash towards this game...

It's worse in every way compared to the first game except for the graphics and arguably the combat, not sure why it did as well as it did anyhow
I'm hoping 3 won't be such a mess, if it's ever made

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I'm just glad it made me play Nier Gestalt first, the better game.

>mom mom i posted it again!! despite never playing most of these games!!

Because Nier is baby's first Yoko Taro game and over half the posters haven't even booted the game and post waifus instead. So it's newfags and waifuposts and Automata threads are some of the worst threads on the site, period. Drakengard threads on the other hand work as threads for actual discussion about Drakengard/Nier.

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Cope, i’ve played every single one of those games. Witcher 3 is the only one that is garbage

It got popular.

If you are into world building, exploration and chilling around, the game starts great from the prologue.
If you arent enjoying route A, route C isnt going to save it. Besides, the game doesn't change, just some of the story.

1. It got popular
2. Yea Forums very openly fucking loves it and would love to be smothered to death by 2B's exquisite buns and thighs
3. Even """"""journalists"""""" love it somehow

1, 2 and 3 will stir a lot of contrarians out of their slumber. Then we have the fourth element:

4. It's a single player game, and enough time has passed from its release that most people who love it have already beaten it and moved on. This means that the people who would be the most vocal defenders of it are off doing something else. This allows faggots to run rampant with little opposition.

Make no mistake though - Yea Forums fucking loves N:A. It was voted game of the year in about a dozen categories in the 2017 Yea Forumsidya awards, beating the shit out of juggernauts such as Breath of the Wild. Shitposters just make a lot of noise, that is all.

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>Yea Forums is one person

>we posting
go back

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I don't see how that's different than any other Yea Forums thread really

>Not even BOTW makes people cry & pathetically seethe as much as this game
that's a nice WRONG observation you got there, are you extremely new?

Not every Yea Forums thread is waifuposting, though I wouldn't expect you to know.

Many threads have it and it's just a part of Yea Forums. And within each game's audience you can find a subsection of it. Stop being upset about things you don't like

I wouldn't expect you to know.

>The game has great character designs
cringe 2 b u, m8

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I wouldn't expect you to have an actual reply. Goodbye friend.

Nintendo wins

nah, turns out the yakuza games are actually bad.

>great story and themes
Sure, perhaps for a high schooler who has recently taken intro to philosophy

Nu-Yea Forums seems to have been brainwashed into thinking that waifuposting and waifus in general automatically lower the quality of a game.

designs that breed waifu posting are generally shitty designs

It's a great game, but I think the backlash has come because it's getting tiring of people who have never taken a basic philosophy class acting like the story is super ground breaking when it's babb's first philosophy 101, more or less. I loved it, but I have no issues saying that I love actions games, and hot girls, and ass. The story only gets good in C, and really never amounts to much more than babb's first plato cave reference. So I think, as usual, the backlash is from Boomer's telling Zoomer's to fuck off.

>HUGE CONTRARIAN BACKLASH
>aka a few noisy shitposters in the corner of Yea Forums
yeah, it's all so magnificent and huge and important
Waifuposting is cancer though and while irrelevant to a game's quality are relevant to threads on Yea Forums

Case in point

Adding onto this, the gameplay pretty much sucks by the time you finish C. Just monotonous.

Just the Ameriburgers. Sex is bad to them.

You niggas only played it for 2B's ass. All the stupid philosophical shit never mattered.

I have literally never seen someone mention a single good thing about this games actual gameplay and not the story or characters.
Also it's ugly as fuck, literally looks like a PS2 game

Its easily a 7.5/10 game.
Complete all five main endings : 11/10 game.

it's mgs2 tier in that it's a "smart game for a smart gamer such as myself" where people think it's a good story because it no lube fists basic philosophy, metaphors and social shit into the story even if it isn't done well.

shitty designs lower the quality of a game. you're not smart for going against that.

I haven't seen daily threads whining about Automata the way fags whine about BotW, so you're clearly wrong.
I don't like Automata but I don't post about it much because it's forgettable. It should've been a slam dunk with a dream development team, but somehow nothing came together. In the end, it's a mediocre action game, a very tame Taro memegame, and it doesn't have the emotional payoff of a NieR game. It has a couple good ideas, but a lot of the more memorable moments are just recycled from the first NieR.

To me, the biggest problem is that the characters are very underdeveloped, and the story itself is so basic. I also don't like that the game breaks the 4th wall to just spell out its themes in the ending.

>I have literally never seen someone mention a single good thing about this games actual gameplay

It either plays like a really annoying shmup or a bare bones Platinum Games Hack N' Slash. There's not a lot to say, it does what it needs to do but it's in no way mindblowing.

Everyone talks about Eve's chest tattoo but no one notices the significance of the arm one. It is mirrored on the upper/lower arm with a symbol of the machines. As above so below. It is also always visible on his arm. Arms actuate desire into reality.

Taro, if you are reading this:
There is a non-zero percent of the population that answered YES to "Are games just silly little things?" unironically and felt okay with that. Imagine them getting 99.8% done your magnum opus and then they screwball into the exact wrong message right at the zenith, and did so unabashedly and with no memery inherent to their choice.

But games are silly things. Of course, the game wants you to choose the other option, so you do so you can progress. This absurdity lends itself to the idea that it is silly.

I want to talk about the philosophical stuff because, as a deepfag, I didn't think Automata said a whole lot and I'd love to read other peoples' interpretation.

As a whole, it's a story about everybody wanting purpose, because the androids were built to serve the now-dead humans, and the robots were built to kill the now-dead humans. So the androids do the whole "if God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him" thing with YorHa. The robots meanwhile try different things with their existential crisis, mostly trying to replicate humanity, from being able to reproduce sexually to emulating human society and civilization. But I didn't get a lot out of the ending. 9S kind of finds purpose in 2B even though it ends up being destructive and shitty, and A2 just does stuff that is meaningful but she doesn't really have motivation, and it becomes kind of a muddled. The changes that people make throughout the story are because of other people which I think is probably the strongest theme you pull out of there, but the backstory contradicts all of that because of the cyclical nature of 2B and 9S's relationship and her refusal to do anything to disrupt that.

Then you get to ending E and it tries to stretch this idea that you can find meaningful things in meaningless with games and it's cornball and awful and shitty, but man this message could've been developed a lot better. Particularly with A2. Anyone else feel this way? That it's spelled out what they were going for but the game's actual story does a shit job of building that message up.

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The story is 100% the first few weeks of philosophy 101. There isn't anything to talk about.

How's this

I fucking LOVE this game

But I also think it's imperfect and I do in fact like other games too

Well, I have a job so I didn't take philosophy 101. I still want to talk about what it was trying to do and how that was accomplished or how it failed from a literary perspective. Because a number of people talk about how amazing the story and the philosophy is, I disagree, I want to find the middleground between us.

what the fuck are you talking about? people suck this game's dick like there's no tomorrow

fpbp

autistic cumbrains keep spamming their waifubait

>Well, I have a job so I didn't take philosophy 101

?????????????????????????????????
What a stupid fucking statement. Your job at mcdonalds isn't shit

for me it was 6/10 first playthrough, 7/10 after ending e

Music is fantastic and combat is fine if simple but I'm just over bummer stories

This is the most ignorant, condescending shit I've read in awhile lmfao
>I have a job so I don't better myself or learn things

sexy BAD
first Nier is better though, despite worse combat

The secret boss had to be quantifiably unmade for him to grow beyond who he was into his next assumed form.
The perverse nature of violence needed to grow is the most important part of the message, not just that you can find meaning anywhere. Its that you have to rape the meaning out of a thing that is the real lesson.

Philosophy is a bullshit thing to study in any official capacity
>let me get a degree so I can teach others to get the same degree
>what else can that degree do?
>literally the same shit as a lit degree or a history degree

I can just read philosophy books and not spend 40 grand for the privilege.

I have a job and I took mutlitple philosophy classes in college for elective credits. Come up with a better excuse.

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>me see boob so game bad!
I really don't see what the issue with the designs is. If it's really that distracting to you then you probably have an issue.

You clearly haven't done that either.

Then read philosophy books retard. What are you even saying here?

This, but I think that automata has a few moments that surpass NieR. Overall NieR is superior though.

I have read Camus, Kierkegaard, Nietzche, Descartes, Voltaire, Marcus Aurelius, Plato, studied the life of Diogenes and I don't care to go on any longer.

Care to try again? I thought philosophers would be above base ad hominem?

trannies mad that the most artistic low budget game ever made has a sexy woman in a thong

I'm not the other guy, user. I just take exception to people who read philosophy books and then pretend they're better people because of it. It means they read interesting stuff yet remain boring and stupid.

>I thought philosophers would be above base ad hominem?
>Well, I have a job so I didn't take Philosophy 101

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>NOOOOOO STOP BEING CONTRARIAN AND HATING POPULAR THING
>*hates on fortnite, CoD, madden, battlefield, and many more popular things*

Why are weebs such hypocritics?

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So your input is worthless and retarded, gotcha. No one actually said go to school, just learn the upmost basic of philosophy.

No you haven't

I'm not the other user, but it's interesting that upon being 100 percent incorrect you devolve to Shrek and a greentext post. Well done, you've adequately proven why I think spending money to read philosophy books is for retards. Ironically, it's because I've read a lot of books dealing with the nature of man that I came to this conclusion.

To quote zoomers: Get dabbed on.

You know, I never fought Emil because I didn't see the point. But I don't really get it, you break into his home, fuck all of his shit up, kill him, and then he kind of repeats the message about the meaningless uncaring universe but how Kaine and Nier brought meaning to it. So that's pretty much right in line with the other ideas the game is selling, except for the incongruity between totally fucking him up for no reason and then having a heartfelt conversation when he's dying.

philosophy is a forced subject for engineering here

k

I agree with your setup and framing of how both the Androids and Machines have lost their creators. In the absense of their given purpose, they try to find their own.
That YoRHa keeps this fact secret coupled with how violence activates their pleasure centers, you could say that they're in a cycle of denial and hedonism. Which 2B was caught up in perpetrating, as you say.
That the machines sought to emulate human behavior and customs without having their nature is a philosophy I don't have a name for. They attempted to reproduce sexually while lacking the anatomy, they replicated the rituals of religion without the theology, and the dress and makeup without the frame or features to define it.
Attempting to gain the cause, by replicating the effects, so to speak.
I think Taro's point was that the real value in such a world is found in the relationships that like-minded beings find with each other. A2's emotional arc ended in her rejoining her dead comrades in the afterlife while reconciling with 2B's consciousness, Pascal (the wisest and most human machine) had no purpose without his fellow villagers, 9S loses it without 2B, and the PODs' shared dialogue takes them from mindlessly obeying to having will that would even defy their programming. It's a happy, sentimental nihilism, I guess. In the absence of any sort of "higher" purpose, the best we can do is develop and love each other.
I don't think the ending was terrible. It was corny because Taro's point is incredibly sappy and genuine. He wanted people to experience the feels of helping each other across nation and language. Which is perfectly in keeping with his greater theme. In Ending E, the player gets to personally experience what the characters were; the satisfaction and purpose of helping and being helped by your fellows. And the fact that each of them sacrificed their data means they rejected some alternate purpose (complectionism) to do so. And THAT pleasure is far greater than any 100%.

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>it's not their best work
that doesn't mean it's bad tho, lots of people say it is genuinely shit and that's just wrooong..

Clearly taking philosophy doesn't prepare you for handling bantz.

>that upon being 100 percent incorrect
prove it

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Yes, I have.

A little ironic coming from a dude getting upset at bantz, don't you think?

not only does it have poor gameplay, the the story is frankly superficial and dishonest m, its psued-bait of the highest calibre

IF you did, you wouldn't be posting your walls asking about Nier, saying you didn't read books because you had a job

If you're not the same user then clearly the post doesn't apply to you, dumbass.

We both know you're being a cheeky cunt right now, user.

I don't think it's particulary bad, just decent.
The fanboys are pretty damn annoying but that's not the game's fault, they're like Kojimbodrones on steroids.

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For the third time: I am not that guy.

Based. I took 2 philosophy courses for personal desire at school for engineering.
For all the liberal arts we DID have to take (language, politics, literature, religion, sports) I'm surprised straight philosophy course wasn't part of it. Wish it did.
We did have a single engineering ethics course, but that's borderline.

He's not the one who posted that. According to him.

I've been replaying it and it's still pretty spectacular 2 years later. I liked the original Nier more, but I'm not so sure any more.

Why should I trust the opinion of a fanboy who thinks titties and fanservice are more important than gameplay? Every time I've asked the opinion of Nier fans on the importance of gameplay, their response is usually "eww videogamey shit is so stupid, I wish I could skip it to get to the fanservice". So perhaps you can understand why this mindset turned me away from anything Yoko Taro has touched.

>b-but I like it for the gameplay, honest!
It's a little too late to shit out lies after 3 years of porn spam and threads whose sole topics of discussion were "I want 2B to sit on my face". You had your chance and blew it, now you get to lie in the bed that you made.

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For someone who has read interesting stuff you sure have remained boring and stupid.

And correct.

Boring, stupid and correct. I'll thank you to be accurate.

>you can't say you liked a game for the gameplay because other anons talked about how much they liked the fanservice
OH SHIT

ACFAG ALERT

ABANDON THREAD
ABANDON THREAD

>You had your chance and blew it, now you get to lie in the bed that you made.
>Yea Forums is one person

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Well I suppose, as you've demonstrated the concept yourself.

I think there's a clear contradiction in this message though because of 2B and 9S's backstory, and the fact that the purpose that 9S eventually finds because of 2B is not only extremely destructive, but repeatedly so. Every incarnation of 9S goes insane and ruins something. I feel like the message is supposed to be about, well, essentially the bonds of love and friendship being our purpose in an otherwise meaningless existence, but I think that falls apart for me because the main relationship of the game is so underdeveloped and destructive.

What it comes down to is that 2B needed some kind of development. I think Route C should've been kicked off by 2B discovering that 9S found out the true purpose of YorHa in Route B, and then 2B consciously making the decision to not kill him, and then the robots blow up YoRHa. Narratively this is exactly the same, but I think it would make the idea a lot stronger because right now I think the game is too much setting up this situation without saying anything. Which makes the 4th wall break at the end of the game kind of annoying to me, because the game did not do enough to justify just putting that out there.

Also I think A2 didn't really have an arc. Her character's more significant change comes about in a random dialog choice that leads to an instant bad end if you pick the other one.

This entire conversation is bog standard "why philisophy isn't a science" territory stuff.

Not saying much when Yoko's previous games have been mediocre to ok at best.

>Drakengard

El-Em-Ay-Oh

>try and discuss Nier
>get assaulted by a thousand waifufags whose sole purpose in the thread is to post fanart of 2B in lingerie
>this is somehow acceptable

Please, explain this logic. Why shouldn't I throw the game in the garbage for encouraging this kind of mindset?

>REACTION IMAGE AND GREENTEXT! YOU'RE DUMB NOW!
very smart and philisophical of you user

Then throw it in the garbage and fuck off already.

To be honest you need an extremely high IQ to appreciate Drakengard, while Nier is the dumbed down flick made for mass appeal.

>Why shouldn't I throw the game in the garbage for encouraging this kind of mindset?
My dude, if the community is what determines how much you can enjoy the game, you aren't enjoying games. You just want a video-game theme for your social interactions on the internet.

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Stop replying to ACfag.

>Best gameplay out of all Yoko Taro's games
>Best story out of all platnium's games

I'd love to, but you guys spam threads 24/7, AND you invade other threads just to tell people how much you want to jerk off to 2B. I want to know why you think this is acceptable, and in addition I'd like to know why you think the game shouldn't suffer for this bout of porn spam and shitposting? Like what do you expect to happen when every single post of yours is larping about your robot waifu and her giant ass, while showing hostility to people who actually want to talk about the game? Did you expect people to just brush this off as a minor offense, especially considering that you've been doing it for 3 years?

Same with your rebuttal. A bad fanbase is one I can normally tolerate, but I cannot tolerate a game that encourages a bad fanbase, since it just shows how bad the game is.

The only thing people discuss in Drakengard threads is wanting to fuck Zero and dragons. Get the hell out of here.

ok
you win
please leave now

>Why shouldn't I throw the game in the garbage for encouraging this kind of mindset?
You should throw the threads into the trash, and Automata threads belong in the trash. Play the game and make your own opinion, as many good games have dogshit threads.

Unfortunately, Automata itself is a bad game, which is why the threads are so bad. It's a cinematic experience with horrific gameplay, and it's marketed as a "deep character-related story" like this was Uncharted or TLOU or something. When I buy a video game, I expect actual gameplay and not just waifus and cutscenes everywhere.

Who cares if Taro had better work if it was housed in games that required a lobotomy to get through. You can like them more but it shouldn't be hard to see why they weren't as popular.

How long are you going to keep trolling, acfag?

/thread

That's the case with Yea Forums and most Japanese games though. Doesn't really matter what it is. I'm pretty sure the majority of people in Neptunia and Senran Kagura threads have never played the games. 2B is that times 1000.

Well at least Automata threads aren't constantly derailed by futafags from /d/ like the original. That's something I guess.

Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I would have liked for 2B to discover 9S knew and break the cycle this time because of what she's learned about the machines in this loop. But I don't think it was bad as-is.
I emphatically disagree that A2 didn't have an arc. She absolutely goes from the cold machine killer to a sympathetic one gradually over her interactions with Pascal. Trading places with 9S in that regard.
>because the game did not do enough to justify just putting that out there.
I felt that the entire game was perfectly in keeping with the 4th-wall breaking.
>2B swatting away the camera if you try to look up her skirt
>giving you bad endings and jokingly speeding through the credits sequence if you mess up the story
>letting you take out the OS chip from the pause menu and sudokuing
>the entire aspect of having to restart the game after the credits to continue.
It was extremely in keeping with the tone.
>a game that encourages a bad fanbase
How does Automata encourage a bad fanbase?
>since it just shows how bad the game is.
Oh nevermind you're just making stuff up. You're a sheep, dude. Rather than discuss the merits of something you look at the people who like it.

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>user make post after post talking about how he wants to be crushed by 2B sitting on him, while posting porn
>this is fine

>someone says they want to discuss the game part
>"you're a trolling fag"

Please elaborate.

I mean it's been what, over five years now? You have to get mostly the same responses by now, isn't it boring?

You should play the game user. You look like a fool.

>How does Automata encourage a bad fanbase?
Making the story and sexy characters more important than the gameplay, for starters.

>You're a sheep, dude. Rather than discuss the merits of something you look at the people who like it.
In this case I don't even need the fanbase to demonstrate Nier's flaws. They're just a helpful reminder of them. As an example, I give you exhibit A (pic related). A video """"game"""" with this much story might as well just re-label itself as a movie.

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>I emphatically disagree that A2 didn't have an arc. She absolutely goes from the cold machine killer to a sympathetic one gradually over her interactions with Pascal. Trading places with 9S in that regard.
The problem is that it isn't gradual at all, all she does is kill machines indiscriminately up until she randomly meets Pascal outside of the android encampment, and then you have one dialog choice to kill or spare him. Immediately afterwards, she's now cool with robots apparently and embarks on a little sidequest to build the robot children a slide.

>I felt that the entire game was perfectly in keeping with the 4th-wall breaking.
It's not that the 4th wall break messes with the tone. I'm perfectly fine with 4th wall breaks. What I mean is that the content of the 4th wall break, spelling out the theme of the game like that, wasn't okay with me because I felt like the game didn't do enough to justify the theme. It's like when you had a kid in highschool paint something incomprehensible, and when you ask him to explain it he tells you it's about the fragility of the human condition. In my mind that lessens the artistry, which really should be about getting your audience to draw conclusions themselves. I think it's more acceptable when the legwork has been done and you've come up with it on your own first, but in this case it rubs me the wrong way. Especially because the entire sequence isn't justified in-universe in a satisfying way to me, with the save game deletion feeling like a flagrant and orthogonal callback to NieR instead of saying anything interesting.

yoko taro has never made a good game face it
hes an overrated hack that redditors think is good because hes so le wacky and random when in reality hes some third rate film director trying to make a video game

It got popular thus got into more peoples hands and the majority of gamers are stupid as fuck and have shit taste.

Same reason when some good low key films get put into mainstream hands and they all call it boring or nothing happpens or nothing makes sense.

Well said.

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well, are you guys prepared for DOD discussion to get even worse when all those ecelebs shill DOD4 to normalfags with the main selling point as "that whacky yoko taro!"

Your loss my man.

Só what you're saying is that you never actually played it?
NieR has more game in it than pretty much all armored core games.

Well, apparently
I'm not, I'm just in it for the fanart

hey, there's a lot more gameplay than there are cutscenes, the problem is that the gameplay's boring and repetitive

>Só what you're saying is that you never actually played it?
I gave it a genuine try, but it's hard playing a movie. You actually need gameplay that isn't just button mashing and cutscenes.

This guy nails it on the head.

"Pathetically seethe"
Hi, pot. I'm kettle.

Better gameplay than Armored Core.

>the problem is that the gameplay's boring and repetitive
Only if you make it so.
It's not quite up there with DMC or Ninja Gaiden, but it's well-above average.
youtube.com/watch?v=Z_PVhtl9yDU

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No what I said was "Your loss my man".

It's a massively overrated game that was lucky enough to come out during a massive gaming drought, which caused all the desperate gaming youtubers to latch to the game and praise it to high heaven so they finally had something new to make clickbait on.

>Armored Core
>made by an extremely small team that had no funds and hadn't gotten any money from the Souls train yet
>games barely reach 30 minutes of cutscenes

>Nier
>funded by one of the biggest corporations in all of video games, with further funding from companies like sony and MS and various others
>5+ hours followed by 50 hours of cinematic combat aka

I guess it's true what they say: you can't just throw money at a game and expect quality.

The problem is that the game doesn't let you play this way most of the time. Enemies have the HP of wet tissue paper, the difficulty is very low except on the meme Very Hard mode which is more dumb than satisfying, and enemy design is really bad all the way through. Unlike a DMC or a Ninja Gaiden, there's no real incentive to style and the encounters aren't enough to force you to get good.

A2 butt.

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the game is mediocre at best and only liked by retards because of porn

Armored core is 6 hours long and 2 hours of it is menus and cutscenes. And I'm being generous.
That gameplay video also shows that it's a lot better than AC.
>cinematic combat
Now that's some desperation. :)

>combowanking a punching bag
if only the enemies actually fucking did something, and when they do you can effortlessly evade with the broken dodge

The arenas force you too though.

this but unironically

>Armored core is 6 hours long and 2 hours of it is menus and cutscenes. And I'm being generous
t. never played it. FYI, the game literally only has 5 minutes of cutscenes. But I guess you didn't research that, did ya?

>Now that's some desperation. :)
When you do nothing but press a single button while the camera zooms in on 2B's ass, I wouldn't call that kino gameplay.

2B is cute. The disease doesn't allow praise for a game with cute girls.

youtu.be/C4QlobVeTMQ
Cope.
Literally 2 hours long when you cut the menus and half of it is cinematic setpieces
LMAO

Whoa whoa, you said Armored Core, NOT Armored Core 4. Boost shit and pretty graphics will result in alot of cutscenes, no argument there.

How about next time you not be misleading?

youtube.com/watch?v=dfDPfqYkWDI

Kotaku, Polygon & Resetera all Called NieR a masterpiece

Why are you such a fucking retard? Do you have down syndrome?

I think people on resetera eat food too so you better stop doing that to stick it to those tranny soiboys

First,
>Not even BOTW makes people cry & pathetically seethe as much as this game
Not even close. BOTW still gets multiple threads a day crying abou it.

Secondly, N:A is alright, but nailed it. It's a weak story considering Taro's pedigree, and weak gameplay coming from Platinum. It's like Dicaprio getting an Oscar for The Revenant.

I agree, but it's also the best gameplay from a Taro game, and the best story from a Platinum game.
Instead of a 10/5 or 5/10 distribution of the qualities we got a solid 8 or 9 across the board, and that's worth more to a lot of people.
>It's like Dicaprio getting an Oscar for The Revenant.
Why's that weird? I don't watch many movies but I actually saw The Revenant and thought he was great in that. Deep woods survival stuff is awesome.

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this, botw and dark souls are literally the best games ever made

>Best story from a Platinum game
Nah.

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