Do you ever grind for a rare drop in a game by doing the same mind numbing chore over and over and then suddenly you...

I do. Fuck MMOs

>people believing they're above animals
loving every laugh

Yes, nobody will believe you're a dog on the internet, Rufus.

Gambling is a logical trap. It's fun while you're in the trap, but as soon as you're out you look back in horror at the absolute waste of time. That's why most people regret playing MMOs after getting out but enjoy it while they're in. It's just a gambling addiction

Last time I checked I was above animals, I eat them daily and they don't eat me.

My brain is already melted, it's the only thing I enjoy doing.

>animal tier logic
>acts like a literal ape
Nice try, monkey.

The difference is the bone is real. The dog will get real benefits from that bone, it's not a fake high the dog experiences as it finds a bone, it's a real high that rewards the dog for a real achievement. Don't compare it to grinding in an MMO, compare it to finding a random 50 dollar bill in the street. That high you get isn't fake and it feels good for a long time

>acts like a literal ape
I act like I'm above apes. Which is why they're in cages and I can be their master if I feel like it.

That's complete and utter animal logic. The fact that you can't even comprehend what I meant by "above animals" is proof that you are not.

What's the point of this experiment? There is zero cost for the pigeon to ask for the bigger reward, so of course they do it. It has no resemblance to gambling just because sometimes they need to try again.
If they were only allowed to try once every few hours or something, ot might be slighty more believeable, but I still think these researchers make up 12 metric tons of bullshit everytime they think their experiment lets them know what an animal is thinking.

>ummmmm you're animal so how can you be above all animals
Stop it user, everyone recognizes your edgy 15 year old attempt at deconstructing human race and it's not interesting.

The point is when the reward is constant the animal doesn't hit the button repeatedly, he hits it when he's hungry. When the reward is variable, he keeps hitting it over an over. That's the whole gambling mentality in a nutshell.

I like optional grind. I've spend close to 15 hours in one sitting farming BUNKER (basically one shot him and repeat, about 2 minutes with intro and loot check per try) in BL2 just to get Maya's hat. Spend 6 hours in Dark souls farming 4 million souls in Painted world just so I can be OP as fuck. Long time ago I've spend 26 hours spoiling shit in Lineage II just so I can cash mad bank.
I just watch some shit one the second monitor or listen to the podcasts. Quite relaxing.

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>come home from work as a janitor
>play SS13
>as a janitor

Yes I got 100% in DragonBall Xenoverse

I've dropped every single F2P MMO (Fly for Fun, Kal Online, Silkroad Online) the second the grind started. Playing 5 hours to see your XP bar go up a notch or get one single useful item is not fun, and if you buy into the grind it's only going to get worse from there on

here's the part where some stockholm syndromed retard says you just wanted instant gratification

it could. there is a chance that a dog will hit the exact keys needed to make that post, complete with mouse movements and clicks too. the chance is minimal and nigh impossible, but it it is possible that that poster is actually a dog.

Here's where I call you a Samefag.

Just make a macro

The average Yea Forums brain only knows milfs and cunny

Oh yeah go right ahead cue the zoom zoom shitposts. I remember the one quest in Silkroad that made me drop the game altogether
>go farm 100 of these items to progress to the next island
>but the monsters only drop one every 25-50 kills depending on rng
>and they respawn at a snails pace
>and the area is full with people all farming the same monsters so you get 2 kills max per rotation
fuck right off with this shit

Must feel pretty dumb being wrong

>things have to be interesting
Way to demonstrate that you're governed by your rewards system.

you basically just described wageslavery

>MMOs are gambling
The fuck you're on about? MMOs are all about the social aspect, nobody plays them for gambling. What you meant to say is "gachas" you retard

When you realize that you're grinding to get better gear to grind to get better gear to grind to kill a boss that drops better gear so that you can grind that in preparation for the next iterations a lot of games die quick to you.

It turned me off Diablo, Borderlands, and it turns me off of FFXIV for a time but I still enjoy returning to the game to do the new stuff.

The gameplay loop is extremely cynical. Which is why I take myself away and into games like DMC to satisfy my mind. Because the reward is to learn new styles or try new tricks to kill enemies instead of kill enemies to get more weapons to kill more enemies to get more weapons.

The intermittent reward loop is lifted straight from gambling psychology

>MMOs are all about the social aspect
Ummm sweatie have you ever played an MMO?

Im terraria, you can create giant farms for farming using wires and conveyer belts. This allows you to leave and comeback.

There's nothing wrong with the loop per se, what's wrong is the rewards are shit. Grinding to unlock a new area - that's a real reward, you're actually getting to experience something. Grinding to unlock a sword with different numbers - that's nothing, you got played you retard.

>tfw had to grind from Lv. 49 to 50 in Wipeout Omega Collection for the platinum
>just had to sit there and drive around Capital Reach for an hour and a half
>threw on a podcast and learned the racing lines well
Was pretty fun honestly.

Honestly grinding in a decent game while listening to a podcast is one of the most comfy things you can do. But gameplay does have to be satisfying on a braindead minute to minute level. Worked for me in Ass Creed Odyssey

I found that I have to be in a certain mood to enjoy grinding games.
I actually kinda like it if the gameplay mechanic is simple enough where I can watch a tv show or something while playing it, like mindlessly mining. It's basically how I leveled all the gathering classes in FFXIV without using leves, just found a resource I needed to mine a lot and then mindlessly going at it while watching a show.

Nothing's worse than grinding in a game where you have to pay attention. Even just doing shit like mining stone in Rust has me pausing my music every 10 minutes because I can't tell if I heard a helicopter or footsteps or not.

Yes. Then I used RNG manipulation to always get rare items.
Get fucked, Final Fantasy XII.

Only if it's a handheld game and I can grind it while watching TV.

You were doing something wrong. I was able to get full lumberjack in an afternoon.

Not everyone is a hippy

After RO none of you fags even understand what a rare drop is anymore.

>that one gorilla that had more IQ than the average nigger
It works both ways.