The actual definition of "diamond in the rough"

>only really great thing about it is the story
Soooooooo the number one reason to play an RPG?

name 1(one) RPG where you can literally kill anyone from the get go

>hahaha deconstruction hahaha so good hahaha

Underage get out.

I mean yeah, but when everything else around it is pretty bad it sort of ruins it.
Hell, even the story feels unfinished at points

why did you reply to your own greentext?

D&D actually lets you roleplay though.
I bet you shill cyberpunk and claim it's a rpg.

morrowing /gothic?

>I bet you shill cyberpunk and claim it's a rpg.
nice argument, faggot.

>a street urchin approaches your party, he f-
>PERCEPTION CHECK! INSIGHT! ARCANA!
>dude, let me just-
>I KILL THE KID BECAUSE THAT'S HOW GAMES WORK!
>I'M CHAOTIC!
>I KILL THE BARTENDER
>you can't, everyone stops you
>NO! I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TIME TO ROLL, STOP BREAKING IMMERSION!
Just a taste of what it would be like.

so glad u spotted that i laughed

>D&D actually lets you roleplay though
To an extent
>hurr durr I want to kill this quest giver
>but if you do then everyone in town will hate you
>I don't care, I want to kill everyone
>The guards come and easily kill you
>What the fuck dude? Let me roleplay
I know it would be awful

thats legit what i do
roling to steal his shoes

how about you give us some names for proper "RPG"s

Last time I played dnd I had a friend that played exactly like this.
I dont play dnd anymore.

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>everyone who doesn't like my shitty game is summer

makes shit story that requires a quest giver adds arbitrary rules with no sense of fairness "easily kill you" "guards are super strong you cant kill any1" id hate to play whit you

It is unfinished, that's unfortunately the main issue and it sucks that you gotta download a mod to play the full game, but it's still not THAT bad in general.
I personally think Neverwinter Nights 2 has more broken gameplay and awful graphics (not that graphics has ever mattered), but the story got me through it and because of that I had a lot of fun.

how bout actions and consequences rather than neck beards and linear narratives

You are a level 1 hero.
A group of 5 guards would easily crush you
It is extremely obvious that you have never played DnD
>arbitrary rules
Oh I'm laffin

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somebody post the greentext about the party who makes gay marriage legal instead of doing the main questline.
that's what that guy reminds me of

>you are level 1 hero
point made

you have to work your way up, unless the DM wants to start you out at a certain level.
are you fucking trolling??

game with unlimited potential for imagination
imagines a liner story with no room for divergence
ye ur not playing dnd ur plating rock paper scissors with an audio book

Fine, I will change the story to fit your retarded viewpoint
You are a level 10 hero.
>Hurr durr I want to kill the king
>The royal guard will probably attack you I don't know if that is a g-
>I kill the king
>Right, the 30 or so Royal guards in the palace easily kill you.

What's the problem? Sounds like a chad.

Literally no one has stated anything like that. Just that people like you suck at roleplaying.

Yeah but it's exhausting for a dungeon master to have to write a whole new main story just because their party are fags
like you

you already imagined this is happening at level 1 thats an arbitrary rule then you explain more arbitrary rules nice brainlet wp

It was the first western visual novel I played, quite memorable.

no its not you wrote a shit main story if it relies on 1 person and you just cant improvise in situations thats a shit dm

lol I didn't even make that comment you fuckin tard
DnD, much like reality, has rules.
you may not like this. but it's true.

You almost had me user. I thought you actually held this stupid opinion
It is clear that you are just shitposting though

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killing one quest giver is fine, but ignoring the main quest in general is a whole nother thing.

you really haven't played DnD. quit being a poseur

Go back to your fortnite stream, kid.
Try actually reading. You playing like a fucking retard in a group and where the story needs to progress at some point doesn't make it roleplaying.
>b-but things should only be done in my specific shit way of playing
>you should be the most improvisational DM ever or I wont play, waaaaaaaaaah
Seriously end yourself, incel.

reality has rule that we understand in the way of physics
the rules your thinking about are actions and consequences but your pretending there physics

start at level 10 get deleveld to 5 releveld to 20 end at 1 all in 1 encounter u just think small

>main story
you fucking what?
I said the dude was a quest giver, I didn't say anything about a main story.
Even if you had 2 or even 3 other guys with you the local militia will still eventually kill you

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>BUT MUH ROLEPLAY

thanks for proving my point.
I'm glad we can agree.
real life has actions and consequences too.

Your argument is what you are refuting read ur own comment

Perfectly designed RPG's let you do whatever you want, the consequences of your actions are left to you.

your all the same bro hf with ur dnd you create the entire scenario and leave no wiggle room then pretend its justified with shit logic and reasoning

Your English skills are breaking down

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>muh actions and consequences
>I CAT FIREBALL IN THIS TAVERN
>DM and your entire party: Why? The whole town will be against us
>THAT'S HOW I WANT TO PLAY, STIRR THINGS UP, EVERYTHING IS SO LINEAR
>please stop screaming and just play like a normal person
>ARCANAAAAAAA
>The party kills you, bury you in the woods, they continue to investigate
>MOOOOOOOOOOM!
Kill yourself.

>how bout actions and consequences rather than neck beards and linear narratives
It was a response to that you unbelievable retarded lepton.
Someone spending their time creating and/or dm-ing an official campaign isn't nonlinear or without consequences because you can't rape every single frost giant, get that trough your fucking head you absolute tadpole.

i cast fire ball in this tavern
>dm u have an escape plan you know this is guna get messy rite
ye i got a few rolls up my sleve lets see where this takes us
>throw the dice my man
fails
>the taverns on fire and the guards are coming whats your out or your probably heading to jail
difference between ur autism and a person with a mind

SEETHING trannypunk nigger

>kill atton
>you are left stranded on peragus because you cannot fly the ship. you exhaust your resources and die, or are captured by the sith, after which you die
>kill kreia
>you die immediately due to your intense force bond

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>Go back to your fortnite stream, kid.
I would if I was someone who liked a dogshit game such as Kotor

ye but it was more projection that response
>b-but things should only be done in my specific shit way of playing

>m-muh limitations
Morrowind, Gothic and Arcanum let you kill anyone you want.

Isn't the mod basically stuff a dev gave to a fan to avoid legal bullshit?

>b-but things should only be done in my specific shit way of playing
That is the entirety of your argument.
Morrowind flat out tells you to reload when you kill an essential NPC

finaly the projection reaches the pinicle
my argument is freedom of choice
>b-but things should only be done in my specific shit way of playing
That is the entirety of your argument.
pro tipp its the entirety of your argument

>the tavern is on fire and the guards are coming
>whats your out
????
>or your probably heading to jail
????????????
Learn fucking grammar.
Also your still not fucking getting it.
Why are you shit at roleplaying?
Why are you not thinking of the consequences before you open your cunt mouth?
Why aren't you talking with your friends (certainly!) /party first?
What is the actual point of you htrowing that fireball?
Wouldn't it be more fun if the point is to intimidate?
>you're alone at night with just the bartender, he has info you think, what do?
>i cast a minor fireball to scare him, intimidate check
>whops, you failed, both the check and accidentally made a huge fireball
>now there are consequences of town-size proportions
THINK for one fucking second!

>>b-but things should only be done in my specific shit way of playing
That's almost literally what you've been saying this whole thread.

>my argument is freedom of choice
No, your argument is the arbitrary "If I can't kill everyone whenever I want it isn't an RPG"
Which is the only way way things should be done in your extremely specific, shit way of playing.
Going by your retarded, hamfisted, and shortsighted definition then only about 10 RPGs have been made in the last 25 years.

you're*

you made the scenario fukwit with limitations that didnt exist and now your adding more
>THINK for one fucking second
and i dont know ask urself half that shit i worked with what you gave me rather than having a meltdown
now your having another melt down that ur dumbfuck way of thinking is dumb as fuck

Yes, and? Am I not allowed to do what I want in a role playing game? Nevermind the fact like CDPR trash you have a fixed backstory.

we are talking about dnd were limitation is imagination and dice not vdya
and when did i define it why do you all love telling me what i said means and what that means in a broader sense when you have no idea how that definition is applied

>tfw can't instantly kill Duncan in Dragon age
wtf bros when are we getting a real rpg

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The point is that ther is no fucking point in doing it. You are mad that a developer decided not to waste the time coding in an absolutely worthless waste of devtime just so you can fill this arbitrary requirement.
Jesus fuck dude your English is getting worse by the second.

>dat english
I made an example scenario of how fucking dumb you are and can't roleplay.
>n-no it was limited waaah
And then I further expanded on it.
Your fucking brain just stopped working from being given a super simple hypothetical scenario explaining what an absolute awful person you are to play with.
Fuck me you're dumb.

Based, what a alpha.

>Jesus fuck dude your English is getting worse by the second.

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If I want to kill a character in a supposed rpg then I should be allowed do so.

ad homs because ur just wrong
and the 2nd dude what are you even talking about in ur scenaro you gave a liner path with no room for anything but the way you wanted it to be played out
i explained how that could easily change
you futher restrict the scenaro and claim that im somehow retarded you sir are a brainlet

This was funny.
You're just sad.

Mount and blade is the only true rpg game ever made.

SEETHING d&d tard, fuck off with your shitty no fun allowed game

ill remind you of ur projection dumb fuck now i spoon fed you reason
>b-but things should only be done in my specific shit way of playing
That is the entirety of your argument.

esl?

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>no argument fro the beginning
>nice rpg faggots
>m-m-m-muh ad hominem
>still no argument whatsoever
>what are you even talking about in ur scenaro
DO you not know what a hypothetical mean? Jesus christ.
>you futher restrict the scenaro
Literally no, I took your stupidity and made it into an actual scenario, you know, how people should play.
There are fucking millions of ways to roleplay correctly, you are doing none of those.

@469977314
@469977656
It's just that this particular decision of yours just doesn't make for much of an interactive experience. The developers didn't waste time fleshing out a 0% total failure path at the beginning of the game because they were too busy building a tutorial to the gameplay and establishing the background of your role, which sets up a far more engaging story. You are given plenty of other opportunities to die if that's what you want.

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that's more a feature on the immersive sim side than the RPG side.

But it does nothing, it proves nothing.
Like the other dude said, Killing off that character will end u forcing you to restart anyways, it is a waste of devtime to code that shit in everytime you want to kill an essential NPC.
Are you talking like this on purpose?
>you sir are a brainlet

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>how people should play
how people should play
b-but things should only be done in my specific shit way of playing
That is the entirety of your argument.
you said this to me your full retunda SEETHING iddiot bro

>you sir
You have to go back

Again another retard who thinks that just because you can't do anything you want in a game with rules and people spending their own time making adventures, you are "restricting" and having "no fun".
Learn to roleplay, you stupid monkey.

>outing yourself as an 8tard
Go back, I though you fags hate cuckchan

more non arguments i been here since 04 i can talk as much shit in anyway i feel like as i want

>>b-but things should only be done in my specific shit way of playing
Still no, gave you two hypothetical of what actual improvising is, instead of just mindless nonsense. Grow up. Learn to play.

>why yes, I consider games like kotor and cyberpunk rpgs, how could you tell?

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You might as well go all the way and say 03.

PURE PAZAAK

ur shit im bored you cant read or your cognitive dissonance is beyond comparison you probably think you actually a girl
>dilate

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Based

Take New Vegas as an example.
You CAN walk straight up to Ceasar (or anyone else for that matter, except maybe like 3 npc's, I think) and shoot/punch/cut/blow his head off. Many different styles for many different types of roleplay.
But is there no buildup? Is there no leveling? Can you do it at level one immediately? Maybe, but it's pretty fucking hard.
I don't know if you're the same retard posting all that other stupid shit, but "I want to kill the king, and if you throw 50 level 30 bodyguards at me that's not roleplaying!" you are wrong, and you should figure out what an RPG really is. And learn to play proper.

>why yes, I do cry everytime I can't kill the last boss at level 1

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>he can't kill Ceasar at lvl 1
Lmao I can't kill him any way I want so it's shit to begin with

>missing the point this hard
Also: yes you can.
By the rules of the game, you can kill him in every single way possible. Learn to how to play.

Why is anyone humoring this autist? Just ignore and let him bask in what he doesn't understand in piece.

>why yes I do like being restricted in games that supposedly allow you to create any character and play them how you want

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I'm bored.
Arguing with retards is one of my guilty pleasures.

This, be sure to pick up trannypunk as well next year, another brilliant rpg by CDPR!

You actually can't even approach Caesar or any of the faction leaders until you've been to The Tops, so there is a bit of railroading in that you have to follow Benny to open up the world a little more.

You could always just ignore the main quest entirely but that's because you don't really matter much in the world until you start making waves yourself by completing quests. The structure of the KOTOR intros is such that you are already very important right off the bat and just have yet to discover it, so there's a bit more urgency since you are being actively hunted down by the Sith as part of an ongoing war to determine the fate of the entire galaxy. You don't have a whole lot of freedom like the Courier does because your role naturally has a massive stake in the main plot.

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Based esl

Yeah because you have a set background in a "roleplaying" game. It's as much a rpg as witcher

Wow, its real easy for one sperg to ruin a thread, huh?

Considering they keep bring up cyberpunk and witcher I wouldn't be surprised if it's the deadfire guy sperging out about being unable to kill plot relevant NPCs at any time. He hates both Obsidian and CDPR.

Samefag.

It literally is the deadfire guy.
He is already spamming threads about cyperpunk.

When do you plan on losing your virginity?

>ECHOES
>WOUND IN THE FORCE
>*airborne companion brainwashing disease*
What did Avellone mean by this?

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>no piece of art or media should be introspective or critical of a given aspect of culture even when it's done tastefully and with a lot of respect for the cultural product in question, because that's being evil and subversive like those pesky cultural marxists!
this is your brain on /pol/

Yes. It is a role-playing game. You play a role of great importance.

The consequence of this mindset is that your GM will constantly kill your characters until you stop making them all stupid little shits

Makes sense, it's shit that is in a lot of rpgs but because cyberpunk does it we have to spam shitposts about it and that leaks into other threads.

>can't even approach Caesar
>you have to follow Benny to open up the world
Right, I've read what you wrote. And your additions to my argument are on fucking point.
If this is any let's say DnD campaign you need to unlock shit, you need to progress, there is a story, you don't know all of it, you have your background, but there is a point in you playing it, to get to a written end, where or not that end is achievable in 909870 different ways and has 4576 ending of its own, but there is still an end, like all things.
Retart McGee is stating: not killing every npc in that story and having to write a backstory to fit the presented narrative/world, it's not an rpg.

Name 1 (ONE!) game without restrictions. Tabletop or PC.

bro i stopped talking after i said i was bored and just thought i see what happend to the thread you or somebody litterly pretended to be me and now this is a strawman that is still shit

Those two are not the same person.
Have sex.

Thats not how you spell Katana Zero.

How fucking stupid are you? And yet both of them are cringelords replying to eachother with reddit images over a *snorts&fixes glasses* tier trivia battle

Are you actually retarded?
He isn't pretending to be you he is just an idiot with a similar mindset.
I do find it funny how you think your opinion is so fucking retarded that you are the only possible one to hold it

Gothic

Gothic is a very linear game you retard, and you literally cannot kill story NPC's, only knock them out

Linear level design

Sure you did.
That's why your answer took less than 2 minutes, you're sitting there updating for (you)s, because A: you have no arguments, and B: you're a useless fucking retard.
Now let me show you how it's actually done, I need to go, so don't expect anymore dopamine from my responses, just go back to jacking off, and for the last time: learn to roleplay.

Has rules and restrictions, because you know... it's a game.

Nigga what are you tow morons talking about, I'm the same guy from this post. Stop being retarded, learn to roleplay.
Also leaving, so peace.

What do you consider an rpg then?

dosent reply to me after i say im bored every other post after that is a cringe fest about being able to kill npcs finaly makes a big statement about how he thinks its me typing that ok
lets imagine thats the case ur all fukin brainlets then ill back it up

Don't expect a non-reddit response if any.

ye i read the thread i got a shit ton of (Yous) want a screencap

Is speaking proper English that hard?

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i like the dopamine and also anybody that reads this will see through you like glass glad you have to go when we all notice ur same fagging and i mention screen caps

It has shit for character customization

Ya know, I never had to deal with this problem. I even made a simple easy campaign for some friends who'd never played dnd, mixing ADnD with GURPS and let them run hogwild but no one ever decided to murder any of the npcs. I had a guy go as a wizard who was a thousand spiders in a wizard robe with a basketball as his weapon, a talking pig cleric and they seemed to always set everything on fire, but they never went and killed anyone jist because.

Why do you keep on bringing up Ur?

>tfw can't sink the boat you're sailing to Vvardenfell on, drowning everyone on biard including yourself before you even make your character
bros everyone says Morrowind is a real RPG but I can't end the game immediately by something stupid it's not actually a real RPG because I can't be lol so randum rawr xD

there's no check for casting a spell at a lower level, and a wooden tavern would still light up.

its you're and theres 3 guys me and 2 that are talkin absolute shit + some randoms you all seem to think im the randoms even though my posts are easily noticeable

Well, it is the nigger English that gives you away.

and yet somehow the 2 guys who have been Seething for a week find defenders by criticizing positions i dont hold

He's a Sleeper! Someone, call the Ordinators!

I don't understand why Yea Forums spergs out about that game so hard. It's the type of shit nobody would bat a eye at in other rpgs but as soon as it's cyberpunk doing it they sperg out. I recall people complaining about how they removed the childhood heroes option from the demo they showed when nobody actually knew what that would affect or even if it was just a placeholder or not. It was entirely because retards started hyping themselves up based on nothing and convinced themselves that it would mean you'd have two other Hollywood big name actors to play the other two. When it comes to that game in particular/v/ goes full contrarian retard and starts expecting something else entirely to what the devs are saying.

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i was hype when i 1st heard about it it sounds worse every time i hear about it now i liked KoTOR tho

Then you built up your expectations on nothing and were shocked to find the actual game wasn't anything like them.

I thought this bait was shit at first, but it's clearly been very effective.