Would Ulfric and the Stormcloaks even be able to hold Skyrim against the Thalmor if they’d won the Civil War?

Better to die on my feet than to live on my knees.

Technically, no. The Empire is already in a state of decay, which is one of Ulfric's platforms to get violent. The issue that Ulfric doesn't bring up is that the Empire is losing power because it's just coming out of one of the biggest wars it's ever been involved in, and was in the process of building up momentum again to BTFO the Aldmeri Dominion once at for all after a prolonged stalemate.

There's nobody better at killing Elves than Nords

How did the Thalmor get so ridiculously powerful as a nation?

You are literally volunteering to live on your knees by trying to secure Skyrim for the guy who will INSTANTLY lose it to the Thalmor.

Everyone but the Altmer and Argonians got fucked hard by Mehrunes Dagon's invasion. The Thalmor arose to capitalize on this new balance of power and rapidly expanded both influence and territory before the Empire could rebuild, while building critical alliances with the other strong, independent nations of the world.

Altmer are the master race.

Absurd levels of magic that is ubiquitous among the population meant that each high elf was a walking tactical nuke. Add on top of that the Oblivion Crisis affecting humanity and the other elves to such a major degree, and they had the ability to march across Tamriel with relative impunity. It was only thanks to humanity's superior birthing rates that they were able to put a halt to their "crusade", and why the Empire pushed for a treaty so they could rebuild and repopulate.

The Redguards did it.

>Be me Dragonborn
>help the stormcloaks win the war
>imperials damged
>thalmor then come and fight the nords
>dont help
>thalmor win
>kill the remaining thalmor
>skyrim belongs to me now
ezpz

The Dragonborn can help the Stormcloaks using dragon taming abilities. The Altmer are weak against fire after all.

Also, the Stormcloaks were hoping to recruit former Imperial enemies into their ranks and Ulfric sounded like he was going to build a new empire closer to what Tiber Septim had.

Also, the Stormcloaks would have to focus on fortifying Skyrim against a Thalmor invasion and the Thalmor would have to travel a long way and risk ambushes and sabotage as well as dragons.

This, what Ulfric was too honor-obsessed to realize was that the treaty favored the Thalmor on paper, but only because it was framed as a lasting peace when in reality it was a ceasefire. Both sides were exhausted by the war, and the Empire would rebuild FAR faster than the elves and could strike first in the rematch. That is WHY the Thalmor are instigating regional conflicts, to offset that reconstruction and prevent that retaliation. And Ulfric is such a fucking idiot he blindly fell for the Thalmor's machinations.

Hammerfell is doing perfectly fine by being independent

>tame dragons
Now THIS is a fucking stretch. Theres hardly any dragons left by the time the Main Quest ends, at least in Skyrim. You might as well say the Dragonborn grows some fucking Hist Trees to throw math at the elves.

Don't compare the N*rds to the uber ass sword singing magical niggers of the setting

That elder scrolls spinoff about them having the orb of namira. The imperial legion is the strongest fighting force in tamriel so the elves had to cheat usinga daedric artifact

Because the Thalmor aren't bothering them. All they wanted was for the Redguards to break away from the Empire, weakening the Thalmor's true foe and the only thing stopping them from destroying Tamriel. And the Redguards happily obliged, because they have curved brains.

The dragonborn can help the empire with dragon taming abilities too so this kind of argument isn't very good

Ulfric and a significant population of Nords are direct people. Even when it's retarded to do so.
It would've been more practical to pay lip service to the Aldmeri Dominion while building up the empire's strength, like you said in your post.
However, their collective prides simply couldn't allow them to do that. I guess it could be seen as a virtue - having strong principles.

So let me get this straight
>around time of Skyrim
>Hammerfell is part of the Empire
>Concordat is signed, Thalmor gets to keep some parts of Hammerfell
>pisses off all of Hammerfell
>they leave the empire and beat the elves back
yeah im thinking based

Hammerfell is explicitly devastated by war and severely depleted in population and resources. They also didn't fight a bloody civil war just to continue the war against the Thalmor.

At the very least, the Dragonborn's fire breath ability will help.

Then again, so would any fire magic since the Altmer are weak against fire.

I will add that enabling insurgencies within the Thalmor's empire would also help especially since the Thalmor were revealed to have been using purges and slavery against other elves in order to support their nation.

>Can keep the Thalmor out
>But can't prevent the Thalmor from doing as they please outside of Hammerfell's borders
>When their goal is to destroy the entire physical plane of existence and that goal no longer requires their presence in Hammerfell.
The Elder Scrolls is a setting where globalism is genuinely smarter than nationalism.

Don't forget a legion was ordered to retrun to cyrodiil and disboyed orders to help the redguards

Hammerfell is so far away from the Dominion that they can pretend like nothing's wrong, and furthermore the Redguards are such awful warriors that it took half of their army to hold ONE strategic point against a minor detachment of elves when their population was requested to finally defeat the Dominion once and for all and they REFUSED, and after the Concordant was signed the Redguards acted like they had single-handedly "won" the entire war.

If they had strong principles then they would know that they have obligations to support the Empire to the very end, instead of instigating a brother-war. This is again someone fantasizing getting absurd levels of political power and not thinking of the ramifications of their actions.

In real-world terms, if white Neo-Nazis in America went on a purge and killed every non-white, how would they possibly hold the contiguous US against foreign invaders with almost half of the population? The same can be said of Skyrim where half of the country was divided on the issue.

Honor dies with its people.

I think the Stormcloaks are fucking retards but ultimately it doesn't matter because whichever side has the Dragonborn is sure to kick the Thalmor's asses regardless of how righteous their cause might be.
If the Dragonborn dies or fucks off then they are fucked.

Nationalistic zeal is a hell of a drug

The Thalmor would push into Skyrim but the Nords would probably turn it into Afghanistan by hiding in mountains, swamps, calderas, etc. and ruining Thalmor supply lines.

With Redguards still resisting and unrest in Valenwood on top of the remaining Imperial territories in opposition, the Thalmor could get ground down just like the Empire and collapse under overextension.

Every main character in the elder scrolls just canonically do the main quest and fucks off

the empire are assholes anyway
buncha conquering roman pricks

>tfw the Dragonborn is a futanari orcess that abandons the faction she helped to travel across all of Tamriel to impregnate at least one girl in every village she passes through
Consider how fucked up a modded Elder Scrolls game would be if it impacted the lore

True but what none of these retards understand is that these setbacks mean nothing to the Thalmor because their goal is not setting up a lasting rule, but eradicating the entire planet. These strategies are ALWAYS useless against such a foe.

Being a retard who causes pointless deaths and suffering because realpolitik is too hard for you isn't a virtue.
Also, honor or pride didn't seem to bother Ulfric when he used the Thu'um to kill a boy king who wouldn't have been able to beat him in a fight even if they amputated Ulfric's arms first.

The Stormcloaks would probably only persecute the beastfolk and mer. Redguards and Bretons would probably be fine.

seething elf cucks detected

Heinrich Himmler was into all kinds of weird occult prophecies and shit but that didn't make the Nazis as a whole mystic retards.

The majority of Altmer soldiers and bureaucrats probably don't know or give a shit about the stupid apocalyptic shit the Thalmor higherups are into and may even oppose it if it turns out to be legit.

The Thalmor are only a large, powerful faction within a broader Altmer province.

>If they had strong principles then they would know that they have obligations to support the Empire to the very end
They believe the Empire betrayed them, and it did. But the Empire had to in order to survive (from my understanding, anyway). But the Nords (or at least half the population) would rather die because of their principles than make compromises.
They follow their principles even if it means death. Makes sense since Sovngarde exists.

That doesn't matter much when the goals of the mystic faction and the Thalmor as a whole align - capturing and holding critical monuments and locations across Tamriel. Once they're in Thalmor hands it won't matter what the rank and file think.

Seething imperials and elf cucks won't even travel to sovngarde, these cucks are afraid to die in glorious battle lmao

My ancestors are smiling at me, can you say the same based retards

Well I guess that all depends on their ability to stop the thalmor from deactivating the last towers, are there any in skyrim? Because if there isn't then it's pretty pointless

>Meet Ulfric in Sovngarde
>In death realizes the drastic stupidity of everything he did and how he ignored the true threats to Skyrim while pursuing his selfish goals
Felt kinda good, since it was both a redemptive moment as well as an enemy that's easy to hate being forced to acknowledge the sheer stupidity of his actions.

I'm surprised anyone trusts Ulfric to do shit when his entire backstory is him doing what he thought was right only for it to backfire hard and make everything worse for everyone.

Pre-Skyrim Nords definitely could.

Have fun getting buttfucked by Dagoth Ur in the dream sleeve, fag.

To be fair, the nord legate says exactly the same shit if you help the Stormcloaks win the civil war before going to Sovngarde.

Both the Stormcloaks and the Thalmor have much bigger things to worry about, like the Dragonborn conquering the entire continent and forming his own new empire.

I can't argue that either the Argonians or Khajiit are a large population in Skyrim, but Dunmer are after the Red Mountain eruption. Furthermore, Dunmer and Bosmer hate Altmer with a passion, and going on a mer-genocide would net Skyrim absolutely nothing.

The issue with the Stormcloaks is that their self-proclaimed enemies are anyone who disagrees with "Skyrim belongs to the Nords", INCLUDING fellow Nords. A faction that attacks itself is doomed to collapse in on itself, because there will always be a metric someone in power uses to "prove" their political opponent is evil.

Having "principles" is irrelevant when the organization is fanatical and directionless. Claiming that "reclaiming Skyrim" or "defeat the Dominion" counts as goals for the Stormcloaks is irrelevant, because they would have gotten both of those things staying with the Empire.

>but ultimately it doesn't matter because whichever side has the Dragonborn is sure to kick the Thalmor's asses regardless of how righteous their cause might be
The Dragonborn isn't a character in the world. The Dragonborn is the player character. Player characters lose their omnipotence or simply fuck off after their roles end. You're basically an alien inhabiting a vessel to perform some Terminator-style mission.

Either side would have, they had a Dragonborn on their side.

I doubt the Thalmor would be able to get into the Throat of the World. You can't dispatch an army up a mountainside and the Greybeards will literally nuke any assassins or specialists they send with forbidden Shouts.

Even if you accept the games' geographic scale being highly compressed and say the Throat is big enough you could march a small army up it, if their dragon is still around he could strafe them and toast thousands alone.

The Throat is pretty secure and the White Gold Tower is back in Imperial hands so they'd have to fight through the Empire again.

Yeah, but the legate was just a flunky and trying to make the best of her conflict between home and duty. You sympathize with her. Even if you agree with Ulfric you pretty much can't justify nine out of ten things he does beyond the greater goal of a Free Skyrim, so it feels more humbling to see him brought so low.

If they regulate the stormcloaks into a standing army with actual armor instead of a guerrilla force equipped with guard armor yes. invading skyrim would be a logistical nightmare for the aldmeri dominion, people tend to forget that tamriel is a huge continent in of itself

Elves would fuck them because dovahkiin is high elf.

Since my PC character is canon whoever he sides with will win

>and going on a mer-genocide would net Skyrim absolutely nothing.

It would establish the post-independence Skyrim as a brutal xenophobic dictatorship that the Thalmor are going to have to take the hard way, and get them whatever plunder they could steal from the expelled mer.

I'd imagine they'd expel populations rather than proper genocide too since they wouldn't have the resources for the latter.

> Empire allows the thalmor to kidnap and torture imperial citizens

> "Just trust us Stormbros, we got this on lockdown wink wink, we totally gonna kick those elves butts!!!"

Veteran guerillas are as useful as a conventional army if not more. It turns every small detachment of soldiers into pseudo-Green Berets.

So... Atmorans?

Yes, but not due to their own forces or ability. The key thing defending Skyrim from the Aldmeri Dominion is its location. If the Dominion wanted to invade Skyrim, where the actual hell would they approach from? They would either have to go through:
>Hammerfell
A hostile nation that already managed to beat back the Dominion once. While the redguards are exhausted, having your supply lines going through a desert full of hostile people is just asking for disaster
>Morrowind
A nation that wants nothing to do with the Dominion on the clear other side of the continent
>High Rock
An imperial province full of mountains and difficult terrain, which would also require a naval supply lines going along Hammerfell
>Cyrodiil
The heartland of the Empire itself. Even if the Empire just got thrashed by Ulfric, they are in the process of rebuilding their armies, waiting for the day they can get back at the Dominion. If the uppity yellow bastards march north to wipe out the nords, they are completely exposed to a surprise attack by the Empire
>from the north
lol

The only way the fucking elves are gonna take Skyrim is if they wipe out the Empire first.

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>going on a mer-genocide would net Skyrim absolutely nothing
the Atmorans would disagree

A Hammerfell + Skyrim alliance, plus a probably wave of volunteers from the other provinces would absolutely be able to take on the Thalmor.

They got fought to a standstill by Hammerfell alone and don't recover causalities near as fast as the races of Men. It's why they're attempting the whole Jewish subversion thing in the first place instead of just renewing their invasion.

So the only thing stopping the Thalmor taking Skyrim is the Empire? Said Empire that the Thalmor plan to destroy and said Empire that the Nords have just attacked and weakened?

Sure, but you can't win wars solely with them

No, back in Morrowind every Nord had the ability to shout.

The redguards did it. Geographically alone, it would be difficult for the Thalmor to have any sort of Large-scale invasion on an independent Skyrim.

Skyrim is
>Mountainous on 3 sides, only accessible through cold and dangerous mountain passes (+50% frost resistance)
>Also bordered by Hammerfell on the southwest, Morrowind to the east, both of which are no longer part of the empire
>Cyrodiil is to the South, occupied by the empire
>Open ocean on the north side, the Nords are natural seafarers, any Aldmeri fleet would have to sail past Hammerfell or Morrowind (areas they don't control)

Getting to Skyrim would be a huge task for any invading Aldmeri army. If they somehow managed to do it, they'd win due to their powerful mages, but I doubt they could get there.

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No matter what happens the civil war will be left ambiguous or an event stops it

>Hammerfell
A broken and devastated nation that has no military strength left to project outside of it's own borders. It sacrificed everything just to drive out the Thalmor once. If they come back, Hammerfell falls.

This so hard. I always let the general kill that fag too

>deserts the Greybeards and goes fight in the war
>gets captured and gives information to the Thalmor that didn't fuck the war effort because it had become useless by the time he broke
>frees the Reach from the Forsworn
>his refusal to understand how politics work and his insistence that the Empire betray a pact that they signed so they wouldn't be destroyed leads to the Thalmor getting an excuse to actually go full inquisition on Talos worshippers
>challenges the High King to a duel even though he would have gladly rebelled along with Ulfric had he asked him
>due to using the Voice like a fucking faggot instead of fighting a literal child fairly, he gets treated as a murderer and a traitor. making it easier for the Empire to convince people to oppose him
>triggers a civil war for the sake of independence
>gets captured shortly after and only survives because a world-ending dragon bails him out unintentionally
Truly the greatest leaders the nords could ask for.

Ok based retard elf

The Thalmor didn't even have a presence in Skyrim till Ulfric sperged out during the Markarth Incident.

If the elves could take over the Empire by force, they would have done so while the civil war was in full swing, with Imperial forces committed in the north. That's why they want the civil war to continue as long as possible, so that the Empire is bled dry while the Dominion can continue to recover its strength, because they are not nearly as powerful as they try to appear.
The Skyrim civil war was a golden opportunity to strike at the Empire, so why didn't they? Because the Empire still had forces in the south, and the Dominion wasn't confident they could even win that fight.

that's why skyrim is shit because you can't kill ulfric in a duel and replace him as the superior dragonborn leader

That quote seems more like a reference to the quest that the player jumped over by finishing the civil war quest first instead of the main quest.
Didn't sound like Ulfric regretted rebelling, but rather not making a treaty with the Empire to stop Aludin (the aforementioned quest) and then immediately start fighting again.

Hammerfell only won because an entire Imperial Legion went AWOL to help, and they still were completely decimated pulling out a pyrrhic victory. If the Thalmor chose to enter Skyrim through there, the Redguard would be all but powerless to stop them. More to the point, the Redguard were at full strength BEFORE trying to repel the elves. The Nords would be attempting the same argument a severely depleted level, along with the fact that no Empire assistance is coming, when it was the turning point in Hammerfell's own battle.

The Stormcloaks have zero long-term chances of defeating the Thalmor assuming they fight the civil war to its conclusion.

>grr Hammerfell has black people and im a stupid polfag so i hate them. Let me ignore lore
Shut the fuck up. Hammerfell shitted on elve niggers and skyrim and their retarded pride finna get buttfucked by em

>Ulfric
literally all that has to happen is if someone leaks his dossier (and why wouldn't the thalmor if he's threatening them enough?) and he gets outed as having been a literal asset (and remember Ulfric himself believes he gave up the info that led to the fall of the imperial city, regardless of reality) the movement will tear itself apart.
though realistically they don't have to hold off anyone, geographically the thalmor would either have to go through the empire and hammerfell or somehow make a massive armada just to attack skyrim proper
it'll basically be
>pick which side one
>change like 10 pieces of dialogue and either have the soldiers from skyrim have imperial clothing or be stormcloaks allied with the empire against the bigger menace
because unless we're going back to skyrim not much shit will change globally
the dragon born is going to get the same treatment as other main characters and fuck off and never be heard from again, otherwise wouldn't you also have the strongest claim to the emperorship since you're dragonborn?
most likely hermaeus mora will be fucking with us or us fucking with him

>he doesn't want to do what hjalti did to cuhlecain

The next elder scrolls is probably called Redfall not because of Redguards but because it's about the Fall of the Septim empire

This was foreshadowed since Morrowind. Oblivion kind of ignored it, but Skyrim brought it back.

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Ok thanks based imperial retards

>frees the Reach from the Forsworn
>his refusal to understand how politics work and his insistence that the Empire betray a pact that they signed so they wouldn't be destroyed leads to the Thalmor getting an excuse to actually go full inquisition on Talos worshippers
my understanding is he was cooperating with the thalmor until the Markarth Incident, where I think it's implied they helped him there, when he realized he'd been used like a cumrag to give a pretext for cracking down on talos worshippers

It would be a battle nonetheless, doesn't seem like a smart move to March&fight through hostile territory, a desert, mountain passes, and then enter MORE hostile territory

> Leaks his dossier

oh no no no no no Ulfric is toast when the Muellerfeth dossier is released!!!!

Nobody says the stormcloaks would defeat the entire Thalmor, keeping them out of Skyrim is feasible though

I don't remember that even being implied. He was butthurt about the Markarth Incident because the Empire "betrayed" him by using him as a scapegoat for that whole "free Talos worship" deal so the Thalmor wouldn't use that as an excuse to declare war again.

Right. But the Thalmor are not a normal enemy. Setbacks to their resources do not matter, because ultimately they intend to destroy any physical gains they make. Their goals don't need to be pursued with caution so long as they can be attained. You're strategizing against an enemy like the Empire, not the Thalmor. The only reason they allowed the treaty was because they'd pushed too hard and lost too much to remain completely certain they could obtain the remaining towers.

the thalmor presumably have more evidence than just the dossier ready to fuck his shit up if he gets too uppity
there's also the fact you as the dragonborn can back said allegation up if you choose which should carry some weight considering you, you know, saved the world
but do please fulfill stereotypes with /pol/ memes lmao

The Swiss only survived because the Germans had their hands full with other problems
>inb4 muh mountain bunkers

Nope. It's not just the fact that they have to fight the countries they invade to get to Skyrim, it's the fact that they have to fight those countries, create long supply lines through these hostile countries, and THEN fight the nords while their supply lines are at risk to disruption from redguards, imperials, or dark elves. They then have to cross mountains at various choke holds which can easily be defended by nords and even blocked if absolutely necessary.

Not to mention that Skyrim is a cold province. All else fails, they simply have to drag the war out and let the Thalmor freeze to death like the Russians did to Napoleon

That's what I'm saying. It ISN'T feasible. At least not feasible that they'd have the manpower to defend the Throat (their true goal) while also defending their cities, because whichever they choose to hold, the Thalmor will attempt to raze the other, an unwinnable scenario for Ulfric's forces.

No matter how much I try to rationalize siding with the Stormcloaks, I am always turned off by the fact that you have to kill based Jarl Balgruuf to do it.

>Setbacks to their resources do not matter,
Actually this does matter. altmer cannot reproduce & mature as fast as Men/beast folk can. It is a much bigger loss for them to lose a single soldier than it is for anyone else.

from the dossier
>After the war, contact was established and he has proven his worth as an asset.The so-called Markarth Incident was particularly valuable from the point of view of our strategic goals in Skyrim, although it resulted in Ulfric becoming generally uncooperative to direct contact
I took this to imply they had a hand in orchestrating the markarth incident and Ulfric realized that, though I could be wrong.
this absolutely implies he cooperated until then though

altmer can just use magic to kill all the nords lol

Right, but they're also more willing to lose a soldier if it guarantees victory. They're like WH40k's Eldar. A single life lost is a tragedy, but if it ensures their ultimate victory they'd give up ANYTHING and throw any innocent bystanders under the bus without a second thought.

You realise how ironoc it is to call anyone else an elf cuck when you are chocking to death on knife ear cock, right?

Balgruuf would make a better High King than Ulfric, the Queen or Tullius. So naturally the quality storytelling at Bethesda won't let it happen.

> There's no way they can stand against the british empire and gain their independence!!!!

Stay mad elf seethers

I think they just meant that his retardation was useful for them, since the Markarth Incident gave them an excuse to send their inquisitorial squads to Skyrim, but it also caused him to be so butthurt that he refused to even talk to them.

The British Empire didn't have a genuine shot at immortality and godhood if they held onto their podunk colonies, so the vested interest is at a wholly different level.

the throat is probably the most easily defended spot in all of skyrim it's a literal mountain lmao

>The majority of Altmer soldiers and bureaucrats probably don't know or give a shit about the stupid apocalyptic shit the Thalmor higherups are into and may even oppose it if it turns out to be legit.
Pretty sure the entire high elf culture and religion is all on board with ending the shitty mortal realm and returning to being spirits.

>altmer levitate up

Which was implied to be the actual plan anyway, allowing the Empire to help the Redguards while denying helping the Redguards

so tes 6 is gonna reveal that the falmer went all c.h.u.d 2 bud the c.h.u.d on skyrim right?
they're clearly planning something

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Yeah, a mountain that can't grow food to sustain more than a couple dozen monks and a fat Italian plumber. It's called siege warfare, user, and defending the Throat in their depleted state means giving up their other holdings which would provide the food those men at the Throat would desperately need. It's a huge gamble to fight this way and not one in Ulfric's favor.

Nice projection there romanboo

Save for the Hero of Kvatch, who did the questline for Shivering Isles and became Sheogorath.

I wouldn't trust the ramblings of a a madman

Becoming Sheogorath is the literal Platonic Ideal of fucking off.

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That is not true, the empire is the real redpill in this. The Stormcloaks underestimate their position, while the empire is the true successor of the Empire created by Talos himself.
While it is true that they are more multicultural than the stormcloak, the reason why they've become multicultural is through conquest. Not through immigrants. All other races were brutally brought to heel around the empire.

But Bethesda also wrote the character you're agreeing with so your point doesn't make sense

Sheogorath also references shit from other questlines and the ghost of Lucien Lachance proves the Dark Brotherhood questline was canonically completed too.
is full of shit.

>Absurd levels of magic that is ubiquitous among the population meant that each high elf was a walking tactical nuke
They sure as fuck are not. I murdered like 10 of them on my way to tell Whiterun about a fucking dragon.

Squandering potential is Classic Bethesda, so it fits well enough

>Hammerfell beat the Aldmeri Dominion alone
That is only partially true. The garrisons in Hammerfell were helping Hammerfell in beating down the Aldmeri Dominion. Also there is not a clear winner yet, as the redguard states with Saadias quest. There are different noble families that are on the side of the Thalmor and the other way around.

This.

My PC could solo the entire thalmor empire and everything in-game is canon so suck it nerds.

>MUH DOSSIER
Damn, imericucks are literal illiterate niggers to this day

Before you faggots write more dissertations about TES lore, do you not know what you're actually talking about?

Bethesda doesn't actually give a shit about anything you're talking about. I bet most of the shit like the dossiers and the prophecies were put in the game by interns just told to "write something to do with the main quest that alludes to other shit"

Bethesda is a shambles, soulless hack company that will just make TES 6 Skyrim 2: This Time in the Desert. The lore won't matter, the Thalmor will either be generic Nazi/Final Fantasy villain hybrids with no subtlety, the Skyrim Civil War's ending will be kept vague but the Empire fell apart anyways, and there will be a new supernatural big bad thrown in for a shitty final boss.

It'll still be running on a 20 year old engine too.

TES is trash and Bethesda is AIDS.

*the Thalmor will either be generic Nazi/Final Fantasy villain hybrids with no subtlety, or actually defeated off screen and swept under the rug by the new generic main plot

>durr bethesda bad that means the lore you talk about is pointless

???

>ghost of Lucien Lachance proves the Dark Brotherhood questline was canonically completed too.
I mean technically it was just a coincidence that the hero of kvatch was involved in those shenanigans if they choose to do the dark brotherhood quest, it would have all happened anyway.

For a series of video games, the video games ARE canon. TES is not a book series. Thalmor are no more difficult to kill than orcs or nords.
Fuck ReCaptcha

Its conclusion as it happened depended upon the Hero's actions. The true spirit of the Brotherhood only persisted because of them.

You think any of these retards care after the millionth civil war thread? They just want a reason to complain and play the MY SIDE GOOD, YOUR SIDE BAD game

Yes.

When the sequel comes out and invalidates any and all lore-based speculation with more le epic generic fantasy shit, all this will be rendered pointless and all your hours in Shitrim not using porn mods will also be rendered pointless.

The last Bethesda game worth talking about was Morrowind.

That would require whatshisname to find someone else who is good enough to murder key members of the Dark Brotherhood leadership so he could blame Lachance for it, because judging by how he goes down like a bitch I highly doubt he could have done it himself.

who the fuck cares

>It'll still be running on a 20 year old engine too.
Are you telling me... the game was rigged from the start?

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>muh Morrowind
Thanks for sharing your generic opinion yet again, boomer.

That is the beauty of the civilwar in skyrim to be honest. There is no good or bad. Its either the Puppets or the Extremists. Its a shame that they never made more of it.

Literally my point.

Waifu threads are less of a waste of effort than speculating about TES or Fallout lore/future sequels. The series are hollow husks of generic slop now.

The models were rigged back when Thief 2 was the height of innovation.

>was an actual fantasy setting not based on one generic aesthetic
>only barely had the stink of Bethesda's laziness on it through bullshit like the Warp in the West making Daggerfall pointless

Yes. Morrowind is the best modern TES game but that's because everything Bethesda has put out since has been dog shit and the pattern will continue so long as people keep buying slop.

The more money a franchise makes, the more generic slop it becomes.

I want to throatfuck that elf into total submission, then make her some ash jam soup and gift her the finest speech enchanted ebony necklace to apologize for it.

The logistics of takes to march or sail an army from Alinor to Skyrim would be staggering and open to easy interception at any point. If they were able to secure an alliance with the Redguards and Bretons then they'd be able to hold them off imo
A shit ton of elves died in the great war and not every high elf is some magical nuke

>All other races were brutally brought to heel around the empire.
Unbelievably false

We will never get TES 6 because they wrote themselves into a corner.

It is true though. Every race was beaten into total surrender by the empire. The only exception might be the aldmeri dominion and the argonians but only because they gave up early.

>We will never get a TES 3 because they wrote themselves into a corner

I think Arena and Daggerfall's main characters were supposed to be the same character and the time nonsense made him poof in to obscurity. The Hero of Kvatch became Sheogorath.
The Nerevarine is the only one who actually canonically just fucked off somewhere.

>thalmor are about to finish the ritual that ends the world
>suddenly what seems like a meteor hits the ground next to them
>from the crater emerges an argonian wielding a lockpick and wearing nothing but a furry yellow cone hat
>casts a spell that deals the maximum amount of every kind of damage to everything in a quarter mile vaporizing everyone
>swigs a potion that gives him hundreds of thousands of strength and speed for several years
>leaps in to another suborbital trajectory back where he came from

They will just take a crap on the previous game and writer themselves out of that corner so they can write themselves into a different corner.

They have the fucking Dragonborn with them

The same could be said if you sided with the empire

Point, but it disproves the 'hero only does the main quest' theory.

In every madness there is some truth, and in every truth there is some madness. You don't have to trust his ramblings, but given the events of the Greymarch, and what the priest of Sheogorath says when you complete the temple quest for Wabbajack, the evidence becomes less rambling and more truth.

Yeah it would've been nice to have seen actual differences and effects represented from it, like stormcloak holds following the traditional nordic pantheon, imperial holds worshipping the imperial pantheon and having one or the other being replaced depending on how the war goes

If the dragonborn sided with them, sure.

Yes, Dragonborn could beat the whole AldDom himself singlehandedly
Choosing Empire is for faggots tho

Problem is not that they wrote themselves into a corner. They would just have to be strict with what they're doing. Making out clear winners and clear losers and shaping the world around that. Gothic 3, which isn't a very good game but still enjoyable with fanpatches, has a very nice setting in my opinion.
The War is already lost. The orcs won against humanity and the only thing that remains is very small rebel hideouts.
Now if they would do something similar in TES Lore with the Thalmor. That would be interesting.

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imagine being such a cuck that despite being literally so powerful that you could easily make your own damn empire, you side with the empire that nearly got you beheaded for no greater reason than because one strong independent womyn was on the rag that day.
Dragonborn killing both sides is the only option that makes sense.

You don't kill him, he gets sent to Solitude.

basically every single stormcloak jarl is shittier than their imperial counterpart too, ironically I find Grey Mane is the only one who is okay

true that

>not helping the Empire recover its strenght so you can take the throne as the candidate with the biggest claim after the Emperor is assasinated by the Dark Brotherhood

>not siding with Ulfric and pulling a Hjalti early-beard

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Enough said. Thread killer, that post is

What did that Mobile game add to the overall lore?

Nothing

Lootboxes.

What did Kirkbride's substance abuse problems add to the overall lore?

Only reason the dominion did so well in the great war was because of a daedric artifact

>Not making a strong blonde feminist friendly woman that doesn't need any oppressive men around her
>Not playing with loverslab mods
>Not accidently walking naked into falmer ruins full of horny falmer that could smell a juicy nord pussy hundreds of miles away

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Are they implying if the elves picked a fight again its their loss?

fuck off you autogynephilic faggot

I hate to break this to you, but all races of elves have a knack for magic. The Nords have made various races of elves extinct, such as the snow elves, so surely they could beat Altmer. In fact, they've done it before with as little as 500 companions

>problem

it's not a problem if it produces results you dingus

>Not playing with beastiality mods on
>Not messing with strong male werewolves that could break your character like a twig
>Not getting spitroasted brutally by them as punishment for being insolent

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If the Stormcloaks win, it means the Dragonborn sided with them. The Dragonborn is currenly the most powerful entity residing in Tamriel, so of course they'd be able to fucking trounce the Thalmor. This is like asking if a dirt farmer country with a payload of fully functional nuclear warheads could beat the shit out a thousand lions.

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bad writing and 200 year timeskip from the last game

>Would Ulfric and the Stormcloaks even be able to hold Skyrim against the Thalmor if they’d won the Civil War?

Probably not. It doesn't matter however: Skyrim belongs to the Nords and that's it. That's literally all you need to consider. If the Empire is so concerned with Thalmor, the Empire should seek a defensive alliance with Skyrim, not subjugate and replace its irightful owners.

Democrats in the Elder Council

>Retarded children who don't understand what "asset" means within the context of a three way battle.
Have none of you mongs heard the phrase "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"? That's not alluding to literal fucking handshaking and the elimination of tensions between forces to fight some greater evil. It means "this enemy can distract that enemy, which gives me time to plan my next move."

The Thalmor want the Skyrim civil war to last for as long as possible so that both the Stormcloaks and Imperial forces wear themselves thin, which would give the Thalmor an easy victory over the Northern lands. The Dragonborn ending the civil war, no matter who they side with, shits all over this planned outcome.

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fence-sitting faggots BTFO

this. hines himself said lore doesn't matter

Get outta here tranny

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Yeah because Skyrim is a cold province with defendable borders unlike Russia, who is just a cold country without defendable borders and borders over 100 countries, and yet the cold in Russia has managed to defeat some of the greatest armies in the world, including Napoleon and Hitler's armies

Even if the Nords sucked in combat, it would be impossible for non-Nords to invade Skyrim because the cold would kill them, that's a fact. The civil war only exists because the Imperial Legion recruits mostly Nords from Skyrim to fight in it, otherwise, they would be screwed

>T-t-tranny!
Lurk more newfag.

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Throat of the world is a tower I'm pretty sure

OK lorefags what the hell's going on outside of Tamriel right now

How come we never hear about shit from Akavir, Atmora or Pyandonea

Both Napoleon and Hitler had to fight a war on multiple fronts though. Technically russia even lost to Napoleon if we're talking about capitals here. Problem was he had to hurry back home to fight Britain after he took moscow.

>Oblivion ignored it
Doesn't the Septim line die out in Oblivion? If that's not something that is heralding the end of the empire I don't know what.

Yeah, Napoleon hurried back home after he lost over half of his army to Russian winter, by the time he got back, he only had .25% of his army remaining, all killed by Russian winter. So yeah, if he would have stayed, the French would have totally won is what you're saying

meant 2.5% but you get the picture

you're conveniently ignoring the fact that Russia is a vast expanse of nothing, and the Russians think nothing of just burning it all in one long retreat. That doesn't work in Skyrim.

Not to mention that High elves totally wouldn't be fighting a war on multiple fronts, so they would totally win is what you're saying

Oh yeah, skyrim is totally not a vast expanse of nothing is what you're saying even though most of it is nothing and most of the towns are the size of the smallest cyrodillic villages

Nords are crazy fuckers, and I'm pretty sure they would burn Skyrim to the ground just so the elves don't get it.

If the words spreads to Altmer society that somebody killed fucking Alduin they would probably hold that person in great reverence, the Thalmor would be hard pressed to get any mer in Tamriel to lift a finger against the Dragonborn really.

Have you been to winterhold? literally 4 buildings bro

>a nation
The Thalmor are just the ruling clique of the dominion. Although I guess we don't really know if the Thalmor have pulled some CPC shit and merged the party with the nation.

Yes, Hitler was force marching through russia and lost most of his army to the winter but only because he had to take russia quickly.
Napoleon took his time getting there, had to force march back though since France was in trouble.

Why do Nords hold themselves in such high esteem, but in two generations they'll all be Breton because Nord men love Breton girls.

This is a bit different. The Aldmeri Dominion isn't really threatened so nobody will invade anytime soon. The Thalmor literally can pick their fights however they like. Everybody else is on the defensive and since Skyim is alone in this the empire may just decide to let their balls hanging instead of helping skyrim.

>but in two generations they'll all be Breton because Nord men love Breton girls.
I think you're confused. Nord men want that beast girl pussy.

What the hell are you talking about?

Yeah; what you said changes everything. If Napoleon wouldn't haven taken his sweet ass time, he would have totally destroyed Russia in the winter. And if Hitler wouldn't have been hauling ass, he would have totally destroyed Russia dude

I should rule Skyrim instead.

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t. 2007 babby
Go milk your feminine penis with your anero you faggot

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so in other words, he's /our guy/

Learn to internet and please follow the discussion before posting

As a matter of fact yes. Napoleon whooped russias ass in major battles. After he took moscow russia just refused to surrender and went into full guerrilla mode. Which at the time was a major embarrassment for all of russia.
German armies in World War 2 were not ready for Winter and were not suited for long sieges or urban battles in houses or on the street. They were however very effective on open fields. If not for mainly britain, russia would've perished in both cases.

Yes, they have the Dragonborn. :^)
More seriously though Hammerfell managed and they're inferior in terms of their representation in the Legion compared to Nords.

Now how did you make that conclusion?
Tell me where am I wrong? You said skyrim is unconquerable. I say bullshit to that.

>>Winter in a foreign land and war on two fronts
Doesn't sound like anything the Thalmor will face when invading Skyrim. They will totally win because we hate Ulfric Stromtrump!

This and the New Vegas thread up right now made me realize how little impact the civil war has on Skyrim. There's so little interaction with either faction and the world itself doesn't seem to be affected much at all. You'll occasionally run across the two factions fighting but they're largely just different colored guards with no defining characteristics. None of the people you talk to really give a shit about the civil war and you can play the game with an alternate start mods and never even know that it's happening.
On the other hand, New Vegas factions are deeply ingrained in every aspect of the game. They each have very unique and colorful characters and characteristics with their respective controlled areas being very different and defined.

>He presumed he had the right to slaughter people in the Reach because it was "Nord territory".
And he did as was his right.
>He presumed he had the right to use the Voice (a by-definition Nord sin) in a duel because it was "Nord tradition".
Wrong, it was the Imperials that banned Thu'um.
Nord traditions have always been fine with it.
>it was only about how the Nord were entitled to things that they lost because he sperged out.
What they lost because they trusted Imperials more like it.
Or are you going to pretend they weren't already allowing Thalmor presence in the province or the mass intrusion of Dunmer into the one major city with an absentee ruler?
>Ulfric is a by-definition /pol/fag who masturbates violently to the fantasy of his country going full-1488 without having any idea or ability to contribute to it becoming a reality
Christ. He's literally just a bogstandard nationalist in a nation that has been infiltrated thanks to backstabbers, it's as if the people who went off to fight with the Americans in Iraq came home and found the Americans had dropped multiple ships of Iraqis on their homeland and given them citizenship papers.
If he was genuinely 1488 he would have slaughtered every single last one of the Dunmer the second he got back home.

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Yeah, because Cyrodill, Hammerfell, and Morrowind will just let the Thalmor march over their lands to conquer Skyrim with literally no protest

Why war on two fronts? Give the empire a better deal with white gold concuckordat. Empire stays peaceful, Hammerfell scratches its ass a couple of times and says fuck whities.
Skyrim is all alone. So a fight on one front.

>On the other hand, New Vegas factions are deeply ingrained in every aspect of the game.
yeah no shit sherlock, the faction conflict is the primary conflict of the game. The civil war is secondary to the fucking dragons

most likely no, at least from lore perspective.
Skyrim is dependent on grain coming from other parts of empire, since apparently you can have only so many fields when your shithole is covered in snow 24/7. Without grain theres shortage in ale production and that would lead to civil unrest and internal fighting for remaining ale supplies, which would ultimately run out sooner than later and at that point everyone will die from reverse alcohol poisoning.

Probably not, but the Thalmor wouldn't mind having the empire become even weaker by loosing more troops and one of its most important provinces.

Keeping men divided is their most important objective, so I don't think they would take action and instead prompt the empire to invade afterwards.

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Cyrodiil might just make a deal with them. Hammerfell might fall eventually. Morrowind might also just make a deal with them. If anything fails they might as well attack from the north.

Daily reminder that the Septim line is super fucking important and the Empire having a fake Emperor meams it has literally no divine will powering it anymore. Everybody arguing about unification making the Empire stronger is wrong, it's destined to slowly fade away.

>because it's just coming out of one of the biggest wars it's ever been involved in, and was in the process of building up momentum again to BTFO the Aldmeri Dominion once at for all after a prolonged stalemate.
By giving up the whole theological aspect which is a huge driving part of the war in the first place and why the elves started it in the first place. A thalmor NPC even outright says so during the embassy party that the Imperials are daft for ignoring that aspect.

All the pro-Imperial stuff is LARPing anyway, ignoring that it's been on the downtrend since the last genuine emperor died the Empire has been decaying since before the Tribunal fell, even Wulf (you know, Wulfharth, the aspect of Talos you meet in Morrowind) says as much.
>"The Emperor is getting old. Don't know how much longer he'll hang on. So is the whole Empire, for that matter. Getting old, that is. The Emperor and the legions have held the Empire together for hundreds of years. It's been a good thing, by and large. But maybe it's time for a change. Time for something young and new. What? No idea. Because I'm old. Old dog doesn't get new ideas. But maybe young folks like you should try some new ideas. I don't know. Could be messy. But change is never pretty."

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>but the Thalmor wouldn't mind having the empire become even weaker by loosing more troops and one of its most important provinces.
You say that like the Empire hasn't already lost Hammerfell and Black Marsh. The former royally pissed off because they didn't get crucial aid during a battle they could have won, and the latter mysteriously backing out no doubt because of Hist future shenanigans. The only non-wonky ally that Cyrodill has left is mainland Morrowind, that's it.

You obviously don't understand what a 'front' is then.

To invade by land, the Aldmeri Dominion has to march through Hammerfell, Cyrodill, or Morrowind to get to Skyrim. This would challenge the autonomy of those states which would mean they would fight a war on two fronts.

If the elves do invade by land, there are only a few chokeholds through the mountain they can cross through which are easily defendable and can be blocked if necessary. They would also have to continously maintain long supply lines through hostile provinces which would be nearly impossible for an island nation.

To fight by sea, they would have to sail the waters through either Hammerfell or both Morrowind and Black Marsh to get to Skyrim. That would mean they would have to fight those nations: a war on two fronts.

Either way, they're going to challenge the territorial claims of these nations by invading Skyrim.

Skyrim has the best seafarers. It's in the lore, they sailed from Atmora.

Skyrim has an army capable of decimating elves despite their supposed magical abilities. It's in the lore of the 500 companions driving an entire race of elves (snow elves) to extinction.

Skyrim has the cold which makes it virtually inhospitable as morrowind or blackmarsh in terms of invading. Look at how many people who have successfully invaded Russia! It doesn't end well for those nations, regardless of the excuses presented.

It is impossible for the Thalmor to realistically invade Skryim regardless, that is a fact.

>Skyrim has an army capable of decimating elves despite their supposed magical abilities. It's in the lore of the 500 companions driving an entire race of elves (snow elves) to extinction.
It's pretty much a point of lore that one of the big reasons why the legions were successful were because of strong Nord support

>The Elder Scrolls is a setting where globalism is genuinely smarter than nationalism.
What?
The pillars of reality outside are already destroyed and those forces of globalism literally forced the Nords to accept Thalmor traipsing around in the land of one of the few that have not been destroyed.
Globalism makes absolutely no sense in Tamriel. Zero.

Why do people think the dominion would attack Skyrim, Skyrim isn't the centre of the world, there's nothing important there, it would be one of the dumbest places for the dominion to attack because it's on the opposite side of tamriel, they would either have to sail around all of tamriel or invade half of the continent to even get an army to skyrim and all for a literal who nation, it's fucking dumb.

Imeperials have always been elf cucks who've relied on the Nords to get them out of trouble.
Now they're not only elf cucks but actively fucking over the Nords to boot while said Nords are helping them out.

TLDR Imperials deserve to be destroyed.

The Dominion is going after High Rock next. The Adamantine Tower is one of the last Towers left to destroy. When it's gone they can finally get their apocalypse they want.

>going on a mer-genocide would net Skyrim absolutely nothing.
lol that's how the elf slave imperials were freed and how the empire was founded.
It would solve a whole lot.

What are the best Civil War related mods to have for Oldrim?

>To invade by land, the Aldmeri Dominion has to march through Hammerfell, Cyrodill, or Morrowind to get to Skyrim. This would challenge the autonomy of those states which would mean they would fight a war on two fronts.
You have literal Thalmor Inquisitors roaming the empire searching for heathens to smite. What stops cyrodiil from making another deal or maybe even supplying a Thalmor army that marches towards skyrim? Morrowind is desperate, they might just agree with the Thalmor. Hammerfell isn't that strong and their leaders are still in disarray over the thalmor meaning it might as well fall some day.
>If the elves do invade by land...
Britain did fine in world war 2, only thing that disrupted them were U-boats. For the chokeholds you got siege engines or powerful magic.
>That would mean they would have to fight those nations: a war on two fronts.
Why? I'm not even sure if the argonians have a navy, morrowind is still busy recovering and Hammerfell might be too weak to pose a threat. The battles on Hammerfell were mostly fought on land after all.
>Skyrim has the best seafarers. It's in the lore, they sailed from Atmora.
They used to have the best sailors and they used to come from Atmora thousands of years ago.
>500 companions driving an entire race of elves (snow elves) to extinction.
Because they had a champion and actually were able to form such a army of strong warriors, they are companions after all and not just any peasant with a club. Now the companions are barely around.
>Look at how many people who have successfully invaded Russia!
Napoleon took their capital, Hitler almost did, the mongols literally in all its glory conquered all of russia. Russia even used to be a Khanate for a very long time.
>It is impossible for the Thalmor to realistically invade Skryim regardless, that is a fact.
Why? There are numerous possibilities and after a civil war who knows how strong Ulfrics armies are. If they even can bring up a decent fighting force.

>based Jarl Balgruuf
The two faced faggot who pretends to be neutral only to force through the imperials because he has no loyalty beyond his hold is in no way based, no matter how much Bethesda tried to push him. He's even more of a faggot than Ulfric and that's saying something.

excuses

The only reason he sided with the Imperials is because Ulfric was an asshole, Ulfric said "side with us or we'll invade you", all threatening did was drive him to the empire, you don't get allies by threatening people, is Ulfric an idiot or something.

>excuses
What excuses? All good arguments that speak for the Thalmor. No country is unconquerable. Well maybe Argonia but only because of the Hist.

Like 10 years later and I’m still shocked Todd made a race war simulator

>No country is unconquerable
Fair enough

Just how small do you think tamriel is lorewise?

>Team red
>Corrupted by nevertheless running on a system
>Team blue
>All hail Ulfric‘s cock

If that cuck Windcaller didn't turn to pacifism the Nords would still be using the Voice to BTFO the lesser races.

Skyrim has a system older than any cyrodiilic one though

He was already siding with the Imperials by that point.
Another point of how much a faggot he is, his second in command is a literal invader elf to show how tolerant he is.

Lorewise its much bigger but that doesn't change the fact that all these glory days of Ysgramor are long past. While the Thalmor are experiencing a golden age skyrim is in shambles. Especially after the civil war.

10 years later and I'm still shocked /pol/ has such shit taste that it uses a Bethesda game to LARP their natsoc fantasy.

Which is not Ulfric's cock but the empire system. Since the empire started in skyrim.

Skyrim is just one long big shit on the Nord lore.
There's nothing good about the game beyond creating inane discussions with illiterate lorelets.
Anyone looking forward to a new TES for reasons other than porn-modding is honestly a dumbass.

So did the Nord traditions that stood over the Imperial shit for most of it's existence.
>hurr what is federalism
>hurr what do you mean Morrowind got to keep their own rules
>hurr what do you mean the Nords worshipped another set of gods that weren't adopted by the elves that used to enslave the imperials
>hurr hurr hurr

Fucking idiots.

Lmaoing at all you fags that think Skyrim belongs to the living

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>>hurr what is federalism
What is federalism for you? So the nords have jarls instead of lords, so much different from cyrodiil?
>hurr what do you mean Morrowind got to keep their own rules
Morrowind is different. Morrowind was not part of the empire from the beginning and they are elves.
>hurr what do you mean the Nords worshipped another set of gods that weren't adopted by the elves that used to enslave the imperials
They don't. They worship other interpretations of the same gods.

Spoken like a true cyrodog

The head of their pantheon is the elven version of Satan/The Demiurge, that's more than just some "other interpretation"

So is the Skyrim Civil War more interesting than the NCR VS Caesar’s Legion or vice versa?

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That's how they interpret it but most of the gods just have different names.

I would say yes but only because I really didn't like both the NCR and the Legion. While there are much more interesting characters the factions themselves are kinda acting like there was no nuclear fallout happening at all.

they were both shit because they were both heavily cut before the games release

Skyrim's system is older than the empire's, and more than half of the people consider the position of high king more legitimate than cyrodiil's emperor and council

Yes the AD has no route to Skyrim.
They have to conquer a great deal to have a path to invade.
As we have found out the AD is bad at war.

Skyrim will be fine.

They're both pretty uninteresting.
NCR vs CL because CL was designed to be one side of a faction war with multiple disparate and psycho tribes and just doesn't work when placed up against an old world type org that's just somewhat corrupt and portrayed as relatively succesful in civilizing people.
Skyrim Civil War because it's shat on the lore of the area and it made both sides retardedly ignorant of each other despite having hundreds of years of inter-relations.

Oblivion belongs to the Dremora!

Yes
Anyone who says otherwise is a delusional elf/imperial cuck

Now that can't be, like at all. Its older but Talos himself was emperor and skyrim was always part of the empire.

>The Thalmor would push into Skyrim
From what front?

Skyrim is older than the Empire.

North, south, east, west from all directions.

The only thing that made the empire skyrim's was talos, who's bloodline is no longer relevant. It is solely cyrodiilic now, from its emperor to it's council.

They literally can't though

Lorelet.
Skyrim predates all three imperial empires and they were integral to the founding of two of them. That's not counting the real first Empire aka the First Empire of the Nords.

None of those are viable routes.
If your plan is for the mannish races to patiently wait their turn to be beaten up then your plan is flawed.

Skyrim is the safest mannish province at the moment.

Because it started as the empire. Nords arrived with Talos, Talos eventually swept south and turned a jungle into decent climate and there he build the imperial city.

You have a little more reading to do.

The First Empire was the Empire that we know though.
>If your plan is for the mannish races to patiently wait their turn to be beaten up then your plan is flawed.
As I said they may just make a deal with the Thalmor.
>Have a couple of billion septimes let our armies through
>What is that Morrowind had a volcano erupting and argonians pillaging their city?
>How about half a billion septimes instead for our armies to march through your wasteland?
Or how about that
>Hey emperor, honey!
>Look I added something to the white gold concordat that says we have full military access
>You remember those Nords that revolted?
>Yea we are gonna crush them for you, aren't we nice?

Seething (((thalmor)))

Nope. The nords sailed from atmora and founded skyrim after that Talos went by and founded the empire.

>the dragonborn could win the war!
>the dragonborn could take on an entire nation!
>the dragonborn thou!
by the next game the dragonborn is 100% gonna be taken away by hermy mora to take a look it's in a book reading rainbow and won't have anything to do with who won or lost

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That is correct.
Skyrim is older than the Empire.
Thanks for making my point for me I guess.

Except for the dragon born, they canonically picked a side I'm pretty sure.

Dragonborn is 100% vanishing into the ether. I wish people would stop writing fanfics where they solve all the problems through PC powers because everyone with two brain cells to rub together knows Bethesda will give a halfassed nonanswer to what happened in the Civil War come TES6.

You mixed things pretty hard mate, I think you need to forget your old sources and read the wiki for a couple of hours.

We dunno, Bethesda hasn't said anything or made any new reference's to akavir nor any of the other continents.

Shit if they won't talk about atmora then why would they talk about muir.

The knife eared faggots couldnt beat the Hammerfell niggras they couldnt even make it too Skyrm without Imperial lapdog support

They didn't.
C0DAfags have but that is about it.

t. "i completely misread the point of dragonborn"

It doesn't matter though since it started the empire. There was no imperial before Talos.
Why did they retcon something?

t. Skyrim was my first Bethesda game

Yeah, they want the war to go on indefinitely, but a Stormcloak victory is slightly better for them than an Empire victory. If the Empire wins then they have one less enemy distracting them from the Thalmor. If they lose, then both the Empire and Nords have to fight the elves while keeping an eye on each other

THE CIVIL WAR MECHANIC WAS SHIT. IT HAD LITTLE TO NO BEARING ON THE WORLD AS A WHOLE, INCLUDING CITY TAKEOVERS.

Its like arguing over which pile of shit is less shitty.

In what way? If the Empire wins you have both skyrim and the empire fighting against the Thalmor.

Or the Empire could have attacked the AD instead of Skyrim and kept an ally instead of making another enemy.

Daggerfall actually, but nice try kiddo

You poor bastard.
I couldn't see giving them a second chance if Daggerfall was my first game.

I'm a fan of tragedies

>Yeah, they want the war to go on indefinitely, but a Stormcloak victory is slightly better
Don't make shit up, you fucking faggot

>dude just let them secede lmao
>they'll totally be allies despite their hatred for the empire being why they're seceding in the first place

The only problem the Stormcloaks had with the Empire was they weren't attacking the AD.
That changed when the Empire attacked them though.

>The only problem the Stormcloaks had with the Empire was they weren't attacking the AD.
>dude let's launch total war with the Thalmor immediately after some incident in Markarth, some shithole so out of the way we let it be functionally independent for two years, rather than waiting till we actually have our shit together
>That changed when the Empire attacked them though.
*launches violent overthrow of local government to get what he wants
FTFY

Are you calling the Forsworn a local government?