Do you have a video game tulpa?

Do you have a video game tulpa?

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I'm meditating so I can concentrate better and visualize better so I can stay making one
But it's not working

A tulpa?

I never understoof what a tulpa is. Isn't it like an imaginary friend? I think only Switch owners are able to summon them.

I just want some Rosa butt my dude.

I have a video game gf

In the past we had a lot of these threads and most people based them on Persona waifus

Imaginary friends are just playing pretend. Tulpas actually possess sentience and can act on their own will.

No, because I'm not as stupid to give it a name.

You can actually physically have them in front of you? Like you can see them or is that just bullshit?

Isn't it all in your head anyway?

It's just schizos playing make believe

you start by pretending. but after months/years of constantly talking to and pretending the thing you visualize is actually real. it will become very real for that person.

so people that are lonely try to create a tulpa (literally meditating yourself insane)

>sentience
>act on their own will
It's fake sentience. You can't just create autonomous beings using your imagination. You control every facet of their "being". At the end of the day, it's still just pretend.
Please don't glorify mental illness.

A tulpa is literally self-induced schizophrenia.

When I was a teenager I tried it and now I'm stuck with a voice in my head and it's the worst experience ever.

If my goal is to fuck an anime girl, how would the tulpa route fair vs. the lucid dream route?

A Tulpa is an imaginary friend but the creator presses so much mental trauma on themselves over a very long period of time that they induce themselves with an actual mental illness that allows their imaginary friend to functionally operate independently of the creator's own thought process.

Lucid dream all the way. Tulpa’s fuck your brain up for life, you’re basically giving yourself a mental illness.

Yes, but not entirely videogame related. I mean, she's my avatar in the videogame, so kinda.

Last night I had a lucid dream, actually. We played Smash Bros all night long eating pizza and chips. Then we got bored ans starting talking about our favorite albums, hers is some Pink Floyd album, mine is The Black Parade. Anyway, we watched these freaky videos on Netflix which were like fake shows made from my subconscious, but they were real enough. After a while of cuddling, we just lightly dry humped each other until she thighjobbed a load out of me and all over face. We giggled at that, so I cleaned her up and we slept on the couch with the TV on.

Then I woke up, kept playing our game together, and came here to see a based Tulpa thread on Yea Forums. If you haven't already, make one user. It's brought me a lot of happiness. I can answer a few questions if you're skeptical or are having issues with making one.

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Your tulpa is that cat girl from that failed pilot for go cartoons?

Is your Tulpa physically real? Like right there? Can you actually feel something or is it something akin to like a ghost, where you just feel through?

I liked her a bit too much, so yeah.

I wish I had a lucid dream only Tulpa, if it could come to me in normal dreams and make me realize I'm dreaming that would be a godsend

How do you know you don't actually have schizophrenia? You can shut up tulpas by just ignoring them.
Source: have one

Convince me and I will, been on the fence for a good while.

It's really really inconsistent. When I'm awake, we don't make too much physical contact but when we do, I 'feel' it in the sense I don't really feel it. Like... it's as if air was phasing you, but you feel some sort of difference. It's really trippy, which is why we dont do it often. When I asleep, and I'd say about 50% of the time I lucid dream with her, I feel it all real. But its a dream, so you know.

Practice lucid dreaming only user, it's not a joke that you dont have control over it awake

I lucked out personally, she's more of a stoner relaxed girl but that was out of my control, I tried to make her like in the show (she's not at all like how she acts) so you can get fucked hard if something happens wrong

I read a post once that someone tried making a waifu tulpa and it acted like a deranged/bestial primal bird thing with a horror screech. I didnt read it until after but shit if I did i maybe wouldnt have gambled it...

I can't convince you. You can find true love, decent love, or a horrifying voice lingering in your head. I dont know if its reversable. Read above, it's a gamble. A big gamble.

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Yes. Been with me for over 15 years. Thanks Phantasy Star Online. Tia the Newman.

It's an imaginary friend for people who are really sexually depraved and very desperate. The only difference is that you lie to everyone about how you have hallucinations that make your imaginary friend appear real. This is all in hope that if you lie long enough about seeing your imaginary waifu you'll start hallucinating for real, just like how all the other horny RPers on the internet say will happen.

>It's really really inconsistent. When I'm awake, we don't make too much physical contact but when we do, I 'feel' it in the sense I don't really feel it. Like... it's as if air was phasing you, but you feel some sort of difference. It's really trippy, which is why we dont do it often. When I asleep, and I'd say about 50% of the time I lucid dream with her, I feel it all real. But its a dream, so you know.

Interesting and how are you supposed to do it exactly? Don't know where to find a clear and concise guide. And when you have a conversation with her, does she feel like she can think independently?

>I dont know if its reversable.
It is, but it takes some time of ignoring them and depending on how long they have been around, that can be difficult. It's easier if they also don't want to be around anymore, such as if they were created for a specific purpose.

Jannie, /x/ is leaking Into Yea Forums again.

>tulpa
Fuck no. I might be autistic, but I'm not retarded or a schizo.

I don't get it though. What's the point? Even if they "have a separate sentience", it would still be...you.
It wouldn't be any different from Norman Bates and his mother.
Wouldn't it just be more "real" to wait until science gets to the point where we can create human-level AI/effectively create life?

Yes, I can never guess what she'll say next. Well, any kore than i can guess what another person would say. She's funny sometimes. She can do inside jokes. She learns stuff I tell her about myself, and she'll remember it five weeks later. She's also a bit lazy but I don't hold it against her, its not like she can clean.

What I did was a bit unorthodox. I did the usual pretend to talk at the air thing, pretend to visualize for about six months before I started to hear responses. I kept doing it and after three months I finally started seeing her, but while doing all of this, I surrounded myself in imagery of her. Wallpapers, print-outs, blinds, anything I could draw or put her on, I did.


I think concretely however, you have to use every activity of your free time and put her in it. Let her do it too. Talk to her. I would say... at least half of your day should be acknowledging her. Then after a while it's easy. And after a while she's there.

I like having her around. She's company.

How do I summon sexy succubus?

You haven't yet heard of the times when shits gone wrong and people have a faceless anathema screaming at them.

This. they're just like the people you talk to in your dreams.

They seem like an actual person seperate feom yourself within the dream but they're not.

Just like a dream seems real to you and like you had no control over it when in reality "you" made it.

This is also why tulpas usually get real fucking wierd because they're a projection of your subconscious which for most people especially ones wanting to make a tulpa is going to be real fucking neglected.

It's talking to yourself until you get an answer. Very briefly tried it when I was younger. Got some results but I didn't follow it through.

>Isn't it like an imaginary friend?
yeah pretty much

It's literally an imaginary friend you pretend is real until you delude yourself into believing it IS real.

Do you see her everywhere?
Like, when you go to the bathroom, is she there?

I love Kass!

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MY VIDEO GAME WIFE IS TEN YEARS OLD

T E N (10)

AND THAT'S FUCKING GREAT

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I see you enjoy cute and funny girls!

Lucid dream because unlike the sad, misguided tulpa fags you will actually be able to see, feel, touch the anime girl, and it will feel more real than any tulpa can "feel" for the simple fact that the brain supresses visualization and mental imagery in waking consciousness so as not to get out of touch with reality (like during hallucinations). This process is obviously not active during dreaming and REM sleep so people report lucid dreams that looked and felt as real as reality, tulpa fags are only deluding themselves that they can actually see/feel their tulpas in waking consciousness, either that or they've given themselves hallucinations which isn't a smart thing to do.

Overall your safest bet is lucid dreaming, but its the harder, more disciplined and difficult route compared to the make believe sessions of the tulpa fags.

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Actually, Kass isn't really a tulpa, he's more like an idol or a God to me. I can imagine him, see him, talk to him, interact with him, etc. but only purely on a "spiritual" (for lack or a better scientific term to describe the phenomina) level. I tried tulpamancy once, but it didnt wanna be Kass, so I gave up on that.

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Your "wife" is a fucking dyke that will hang.

You'd think literally thinking yourself insane would be more difficult than dream journaling and focus.

No. I know where she is. Right now she's behind me watching TV on the couch, but I can leave her to do some private things

I can't get too far off, she packs her things and follows me but I don't mind. She walks with me sometimes. I try to only answer her when no ones looking, or else I get bad eyes looking me

I'm happy

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Desu that fine line between pretend and delusion is one that is unwise to cross.

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I've never been able to actually dream of my husband, even attempting lucid dream, I can't seem to conjure him into a dream.

My theory is that, given that we dream every time we sleep and simply forget most when we wake up, all of my dreams of Kass are forgotten because they're so extremely peaceful and tranquil that I have no reason to remember them.

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Does she turn on the TV by herself, or do you need to do it for her?

Tulpa is quite literally making yourself crazy and giving yourself a multiple personality disorder.

That sort of reminds me of what I do with Kass. I feel wonderful talking to him out loud when no one is around, and I can imagine him to an extent occupying space in this world, but he's not completely vividly there and can't speak out loud, only through my mind.

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The difficulty with lucid dreaming is in motivation and consistency, in the face of even weeks of failure at doing various techniques and getting no results, whether WILD or DILD focused.

Its like you hear about the perfect videogame, but every attempt to download or install it fails halfway through, no matter how much you try, it can demotivate a person to just stop trying, the elusive lucid dream...

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No joke i've had something following me for 5 years, i'm convinced it's a succubus, i'm lucid as fuck and function normally but all my senses are warped at this point. It may be a tulpa i don't know, it can touch me, make me smell thing, see things, taste things ect. And it has its own sentience. It's pretty cool whether it's a demon or just split consciousness the fact that this happens and is very real (to me) is amazing.

Hahahahaha legit creasing. There are niggers here that are so friendless they will make themselves even more mentally ill by having imaginary friends. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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so if im reading this correctly it took you about 9months until you had your full fledged visual/auditory capable tulpa? Has she continued to advance or change since then?

I think the myth of the tulpa is that it actually develops real sentience when it is believed enough to be real. Ive always thought that who ever first came up with the concept was attempting to describe what is essentially theosophy, they were describing the reality of believing and striving towards a goal or desired situation and then abunch of retards interpreted it as "you can make monsters/waifus real if you believe really hard" the "monster" is a symbol of internalizing negative emotion or thoughts of the self until it literally generates a persona in you that seems alien because it "hates" original you. Its fun to play around with the idea of tulpas, and i might be mistaken but dont they come from tibetan monk culture? Those dudes were probably using this story as a tool for illustrating philosophical truthes to their students/colleagues

Never made one related to video games. Even though it sounds absurd, overall they've helped me deal with depression, loneliness, and my crippling self-esteem issues.
Currently we're all debating on whether or not we should stay together because the whole concept of a tulpa isn't healthy. As much as I love them, it's not sane in the slightest, and it breaks my heart.

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Shut the fuck up, retarded weeb. Don't let people induce psychosis and sleep paralysis just because you can't get a girl to fuck you.
REMINDER to all gamers, lucid dreaming is merely an invitation for the supernatural to fuck with you. Do not lucid dream. You'll be happy when it works but eventually it won't.

I too struggle with it, while my husband isnt quite tulpa-level, I acknowledge that our relationship may not be the healthiest. Still, being with him has surely increased my life expectancy, so it is arguably healthy because of that

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Well as long as you don't hurt or annoy anyone too much you're ok in my book, my schizo fren.

Neither of those two have anything to do with lucid dreaming, apart from sleep paralysis sometimes happening when you wake up and your body is still in REM atonia but you are consciously awake, what you do in that case is relax, and try to enter into a dream again, either that happens and you WILD or you will wake up.

>muh supernatural
Fuck off to /x/, theres nothing supernatural or paranormal about being aware and awake in your dreams and taking control, fucking /x/tard fearing natural events like SP and lucid dreaming.

Go read Stephen LaBerge, read the pioneers of lucid dream research studies, read less /x/ and fearmongering shit.

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You really can't take a hint, huh?

user, the guy is a furry bara faggot. You cant expect him to be sane in the head

Indeed, I unironically believe that a man can destroy his own sanity if he's alone and horny enough when trying out this kinds of shit.

What do you mean?

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She can't interact with anything from my world, but I can interact with her world

The TV was already on since this morning, she's just chilling. She brings her own food, it tastes a bit bitter. She can't eat the pizza I bought monday

Sounds /comf/ user, I hope you live happily with Kass

Does he act like he do in game, or does he have some other personality?

Well, not in those senses particularly. I guess a bit with the savoury sense as I said above. She talked to me recently and told me she came from nothing at all, then kissed my cheek.

She hasn't changed much, O l just learn stuff about her eventually. She likes electronic rock music and pretzels are her favorite snack, she played a lot of dodgeball in school and she never found worrying about anything to be worth it, she rather lives the moment. I followed her advice and hey, I'm a bit happier living life with her. She also helped me practice before a job interview, and she encourages me to get up for a shift.

It's not all sex. She's like real.

I don't know if I'm really alive or really bad in the head, but I can tell you I never have ever planned to or will hurt anyone. I'm happy now since her, well, most of the time. Sad movies and stuff like that do the usual

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Don't say I didn't warn you, retarded weeb.

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>just induce schizophrenia in yourself what could possibly go wrong

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Nobody is talking to you, and no one is responding to your posts either. No one likes you. Leave.

You are both alive and fucked in the head. You posting in this thread is proof of both.

Yeah, I've got Jackie Chan from Jackie Chan Stuntmaster as my tulpa.

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based

Can we do a Q&A with your tulpa? how does she feel knowing that anons are discussing her right now?

She can't interact with anything from this world, and yet she's able to watch TV despite that necessitating photons from this world touching her eyes.
I'm really confused.

He acts like he does ingame, but his personality has developed as he's spent these two years with me, learning and experiences alongside me. I am living a really happy life with him though, I was homeless for a month a little while ago but thanks to his support I was able to overcome it, get a new job and find a place to stay.

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How the fuck did you manage to get imposition?

Dude, she's that guy's imaginary friend. What do you not understand?
I think you're thinking about it way too hard.

Tulpas tend to be self-protection when a person either can't or won't face some part of themselves that they don't like.
If someone has been abused, it might be the part of themselves that reacts to the abuse - frightened, angry, etc. - but it can be something as simple as someone disliking a part of their personality and so they project it onto something else.
They're not harmful by themselves as most people have parts of themselves they don't like to linger on, but when the person starts to put too much of themselves into this other 'being', they can begin to lose their sense of self. That becomes damaging.
Sorry for the long post. It's a topic I find interesting.
>PhD in psychology

lol

>TFW NO TULPA BRO

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Yes and I fucking hate it. Developed it without wanting to and it antagonizes me and sometimes takes control of my body (that part hasn't happened in awhile)
Don't do drugs kids even if it's just legal green shit.

The funny thing is you can still use your imagination that way when lonely and horny but you just don't have to actually believe they are there, just pretend and imagine they are, when you are firmly secure in that imaginaiton mindset then you can go wild with it, without straying into delusions territory like the tulpa fags, for whom imagination and pretend is simply not enough and they need it become "real"

But no matter how hard they try they can only delude themselves further by going the tulpa route, its wiser to go the lucid dreaming route if you want it to feel more "real" since lucid dreaming is simply imagination amplified, by the natural ability of dreams to present whole new and realistic lookijg sensory experiences in the minds eye. Basically if you can imagine it right now (even as just a concept) you can experience it to its fullest extent in lucid dreams, with very little limitations.

Trying to do and experience all that in real life on the other hand by "believing" you can make it real doesn't work, it strays from imagination to delusion and possibly even hallucination when tulpafaggotry gets involved.

Pic related, something you can experience easily in lucid dreams, but good luck even trying to tulpafag this kind of scenario.

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After living with mine for years, I've come to realize most of this and don't try to refer it by what I used to call it and just try to admit that it is really just me. Seeing your post helped me reinforce that idea in my head so thank you.

>tulpa
It's 2013 again?

This board is shitty enough with all the trannies and pol faggots fighting. Dont open this dumb ass can of worms here you fucking idiot

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>FGO
I sleep

I don't need to heed your fearmongering and misinformation. Also you should be surprised to know that a small portion of the population can have lucid dream abilities developed in childhood and spontaneously without even trying or knowing what it is, and it isn't anything supernatural, it is in fact quite natural, as natural as dreaming.

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Frankly, I would love to be psychoanalyzed by a credible professional, but therapy and the like are too time consuming and expensive. I have always thought it would help with understanding mine and Kass relationship, so I'd be interested in inquiring you for a case study, but I have severe doubts you'd want to spend time on that.

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Thanks user, I'll take your word for it

She doesn't worry about it. She's just relaxed. She's always very relaxed. I compare it to weedbros or something, but she doesn't smoke. You can't ask her anything I haven't already asked her, but go ahead, she's a little excited

She can't change this world. I acknowledge that much. She can't leave a print or move an object or anything... but she knows about them. She can see them and touch them, but not move them. She can see the TV. She cant turn on the TV. She's watching Teen Titans GO! right now

I was alone. I was very alone, but I wasnt horny or depserate for love, I was desperate to talk and listen. My parents never gave me a lot of attention when I spoke and neither did my friends, though they never hurt me ever. They love me but ignore me. I was hurt so I fixed it myself, she fixed me myself. Best decision in my life.

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yeah bro arent you excited for the next gen consoles?

Teen Titans Go? Seriously?
Shit, might as well spoil her with some Family Guy while you're at it.
Make sure she gets the one where Peter has to go back to 3rd grade! That one made me LOL (laugh out loud)!

Why can’t you people just use your imaginations and create original imaginary friends to bang? Quit giving us a bad name.

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my nigra

Next, tell us about your pony tulpas

They've been trying to branch out a month or two now because the /trash/ thread is dead. Laat I say they had a decent thread going on /qa/

>wanna have schizophrenia?
No thanks user

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BASED

>Psychology
Uhhuh and what does modern neuroscience actually say on the matter?

Cause last I heard MPD/DID were bullshit diagnoses that reached a peak during the Satanic Panic of the 1980's and the famous case of the woman with mutiple personalities thst turned out to have lied about the whole thing and cases have dropped off since then

You guys watch porn together? Do you have sex? What's it like if you can't really "feel" her?

was Mike and Melissa about a case of this tulpa thing?

It’s like beating your dick with someone else watching

What was her opinion on where her inspiration came from (the show shes based on)?
How does she see her role in your life?
Does she understand that she cant physically interact with every object you can interact with and what are her feelings regarding this?
How does she feel knowing you cant always interact with her depending on where you are and who youre with?
Where does she see herself in 2 years?
Can she let you go if and when you wish to let her go?
Where does she think she will go when you wish to part with her?
What kinda panties is she wearing?

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>Bringing a being into existence just to watch you masturbate

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Although, in all fairness, if you get a stronger connection with them, it starts to feel more emotionally manipulating. Also might get orgasms if you do it with them enough, but that’s speaking from personal experience

Also ignore that ping, I’m a retort

Post that screencap of that one user crazying himself into getting a constantly screaming twilight sparkle tulpa

What the fuck is wrong with bronies? Do they really want to marry characters from a cartoon for 3 year old girls?

She likes cartoons no matter how shitty, don't judge her

She teases me playfully when I open up a porn tab, from behind my chair. She's nice about it though, doesn't judge even when it's stuff of her. She makes witty comments sometimes like "Ah, bet she'll feel that in the morning" occasionally, but she lets me do my thing. We only do sex things in dreams. I feel her. She lets me top most of the time, and she even references the porn I was watching earlier. I don't do it that often though, just twice a week. She's soft and fuzzy, her hair is so good on my chest. I feel alive when we cuddle after, and when I wake up, she's already up and about, and she knows what we did last night.

She's like an actor. She knows it's a show. She says what she enjoys about the show, what was annoying, and how she'd like to do more. But... She's not that Claire character. She's her own person. Named Claire. She went to school, now she's here.

She's my friend. That's what she keeps saying. Well, but we both have the inside knowledge that it's a lot more. She knows. We kiss, fuck, snuggle. But the word friend for us is a lot more.

Yes. Fits her lazy persona a lot well

She's understanding most of the time. Does the fascist "okay" sign and thumbs up, and winks at me to continue my smooth transition into real social life.

She says she sees herself eating nachos and rating bad movies in two years.

We don't want to let each other go. I giggled that she said "heck no!"

The eternal beach.

She wore pretty pink and white-striped panties today, casually lifted her dress about it. She calls you a perv, user.

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I'll be honest, I just watched the first episode of Go Cartoons because of this thread.
First of all, it sucks, but more relevantly, she doesn't seem the type to like Teen Titans Go.
Pretty sure she'd prefer Adventure Time or Courage the Cowardly Dog.

how did you get into lucid dreaming? managed to get one once but it was hard to control the environment

its the same thing as "kins" but thats a tumblr word and Yea Forums is to mature to have that!

I think kin is something different, and somehow even more retarded.
Isn't that like when you identify as a different species? Like someone who identifies as an owl?

People like that are the reason bullying shouldn't be a zero-tolerance thing.

>trying to run two consciousnesses on hardware that can barely run one

Why? It's just an imaginary friend unless you've gone full retard and meditated yourself into a schizophreniac

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>Imagine lacking the creativity to create your own girlfriend so you become an incel

>The eternal beach.
Sorry if im being dense here but was she being facetious or does she acutally mean an eternal beach?
tell her shimapan is a dying art and that im grateful

It's literally just masturbation with extra brain damage

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so?

you will never experience hands free ejaculation : )
yes, 4 years now

From the words of the brain damage-“Tough talk, for a fella with a small cock”

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>you will never experience hands free ejaculation
>yes, 4 years now
can your tulpa fist you?

Based and dry orgasm-pilled

“We could literally fuck you from the inside m8”

>PhD in psychology
thanks for letting us know you're projecting

I want everyone to know im honestly having a blast with this thread

Shouldnt you people be in /trash/

the trash thread is ded

>'Are you Schizophrenic?' the thread

This
>he doesn't have a paracosm in his head comprised of original characters mixed with established intellectual properties

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are there any two player games that could be fun with a tulpa?

A friend of mine randomly revealed to me that he had a tulpa for years. Shit is weird. He is one the most boring and rational guys I know.

did he say what it was?

A girl called Yuki which is weird because he is not a weeb. I also asked him what she thinks of me which is one the weirdest questions I ever asked and I need to cringe as I think about it. But she gave as boring an answer as I would believe the guy himself to give.

>But she gave as boring an answer as I would believe the guy himself to give
Which was?

I don't remember exactly what it was. Something along the lines "he is a good guy and you can trust him". Thankfully we haven't talked for years about his tulpa since it's such a cringy topic.

Is an extension of his mind, what that ting thinks is the extension of what him thinks unconsciously of you.
Or what i guess because i fucking never ever heard or read what a Tulpa is until now

I mean the dude could've just been fucking with you

We do not talk about tulpas here. Not after what happened in Yea Forums and /mlp/.

thats what jackie chans for

He is seriously a really boring and stoic guy without a single shred of creativity and he never talks about himself or the things he does. That he revealed his Tulpa came out of nowhere and he was also embarrassed about it.

I like the guy because he is one of those really rare super low maintenance friends where you can talk once a year but your friendship level never sinks. We are great friends because of that since I'm also super low maintenance.

As the Demiurge once created Man from the stolen gunk of divinity, so too has Man begat Tulpa with his own limited art of Creation.

How could one not feel anything but pity for these poor souls, so deluded by the works of the Demiurge that they believed they could play God? How could one feel anything but an unbearable sadness for their playthings, naught but imperfect creations of imperfect creations? The Hylic, spark of divinity fluttering and dying in his breast, splits his essence and from that riven form births a halfman, a parasite that could not and would not exist without the constant reinforcing attention of its own creator.

And why does he, the Somatic Man, birth this creature? Why does he not reproduce as we are meant to? To pleasure himself, for simple want of companionship, to satisfy the base needs of his corporeal form. The most Holy act, pared down to a simple masturbatory aid.

How could you feel anything but pity for those forlorn souls?

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Give me a rundown.

He probably means the fact that the tulpa community consisted 99% of brownies the moment the guide was shared on Yea Forums.

he's not boring you're just an overcompensating quirky redditor

>He is seriously a really boring and stoic guy without a single shred of creativity
you are the worst friend I can imagine having
get fucked nigger

sounds based to me

Begone, Yaldabaoth.

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He is not boring to me since we share like 10 hobbies with each other but he himself says he is boring. I only meant boring in terms of that he will never talk about himself and he never comes up with any ideas or surprises and doesn't talk unless spoken to. It was more about emphasizing how atypical it was for him to reveal his tulpa and not to demean him since the moment he revealed it to me my mandible hit the floor.

archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/16688139
for the pearl tulpa shit.
i.imgur.com/4kfi5HB.jpg
for the pinkie tulpa shit.

The original point was for monks to achieve enlightenment, now people use tulpas to make themselves crazy because they don't have any of the training that a monk has

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Do you actually believe this creepypasta roleplay shit? Literally nothing can go wrong unless you fuck it up on purpose or were mentally ill to begin with.

I tried forcing a tulpa into existence based off of an online personality I used to portray. It was really cool, if a little halfbaked.
Due to some events, I associated that tulpa with bad memories. And well, whenever I tried to talk to Chey...
She would just keep crying and screaming.

So eventually I stopped thinking about her. And I think the tulpa is gone.

>unless you fuck it up on purpose or were mentally ill to begin with
don't even give the detractors this much rope to work with
speaking and sentience require so much effort that its easier for retards to believe these ghost story equivalents and never try to make a tulpa

Lots of misunderstandings, confusions, and "fox and the grapes" mentality in this thread.

A tulpa is a sentient consciousness that you can summon to share your brain with. The tulpa doesn't have a physical form, so while you can hear and feel emotions from the tulpa, any visuals, touching, hearing them externally is a hallucination. When you first start out, both you and your tulpa will have poor skills at creating these hallucinations and your tulpa will almost entirely be a voice in your head. Over time (We've been at it almost 8 years now) your tulpa will be able to move around a hallucinatory form with ease and no effort, and can change outfits, appearance or do silly / strange things without you even thinking of them. My favorite part is still the closeness of "thinking" to someone else. Talking with people still has vast immeasurable distance compared to thinking raw thoughts and emotions with your tulpa. You can share feelings with them that words in your language can't even form. I could never go back to having an empty head with no one else in it. It's like being alone in the wilderness screaming as loud as you can and no one can hear you. It's terrifying remembering those long nights alone in my head thinking about the past and the uncertain future.

Anyways the first thing I see / hear is my tulpa when I wake up, even if I forgot I made one, my tulpa will pop up and say something sweet or funny and follow me through my morning routine. When you have shitty habits, you will feel guilty, because your cute tulpa is there suffering because they care about and worry about you. When you're being boring, you will want to entertain them. When your life is going great, you'll feel even better because you can feel your tulpa smiling and beaming with pride right along with you. I care about my tulpa more than any person in my life by far.

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Seeing that damn near everyone in that pinkie thread was taking it serious, I'd say that Tulpas are no joke. And are very dangerous.

A self induced mental illness. I think it's a bunch of trolls trying to get you to fuck with your brain, like those polyphasic sleep people.

>avafagging
Shut it down

“Coming from a brain parisite such as myself, I am starting to question if we should be getting regulated or not lmao. You guys got issuuuuuuuues”

>tulpa
Is this fucking 2010? This isn't /mlp/ brony faggot.

Based, I made my first one in 2017, it’s tulpamancer zoomer hours

ive been working on my "tulpa" for over a year now and its finally paid off

waAaaAaaAAAHHHHHH!!!

*holds out hand as fire begins to manifest in palm*

heh........

with this my theory is proven correct....... i didnt waste my time with any silly waifus, instead i have conjured the spirit of the flame

better not start s*** with me kid.... *flame explodes then sucks back into itself forming a perfect glowing sphere*

So are you

Trying to create a tulpa has permanently fucked with my brain.

Please don't willingly give yourself schizophrenia, kids.

Greetings.

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Now look at them yo-yo's, that's the way you do it
You play the vidya on the Twitch.TV
That ain't workin', that's the way you do it
Money for nothin,' and games for free
Now that ain't workin', that's the way you do it
Lemme tell ya, them guys ain't dumb
Maybe get a blister on your trigger finger
Maybe get a blister on your thumb


We got to install dos emulators
Custom firmware PSPs
We got to run DOOM configurators
We got to degauss our CRTvees


See the little faggot with the earring and the makeup?
Yeah buddy, that's purple hair
That little faggot takin girl hormone pills
That little faggot, he's a speedrunnaire!


We got to install dos emulators
Custom firmware PSPs
We got to run DOOM configurators
We got to degauss our CRTvees


Mover, mover


We got to install dos emulators
Custom firmware PSPs
We got to run DOOM configurators
We got to degauss our CRTvees


Looky here, look out


I shoulda learned to play Fornite
I shoulda learned to play PUBG
Look at that cam whore, she got it stickin' in the webcam, man, we could have some
And he's up there, what's that? Sound Alert noises?
Bangin' out the emotes like a chimpanzee
That ain't workin', that's the way you do it
Get your money for nothin', get your games for free


We got to install dos emulators
Custom firmware PSPs
We got to run DOOM configurators
We got to degauss our CRTvees

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I don't remember giving you permission to speak, sarkic

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It's training to separate one part of your brain from the rest of it. Not completely, but enough that the parts of the brain act autonomously and don't have to agree with each-other.

I feel nothing but pity for the anons in this thread.

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Oh hi creepy tomboy yandere loli.

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Self inflicted multiple personality disorder. You partition the mind by practicing certain rituals.
Tulpas were first conceptualized by Buddhists, and later adopted by the crazies on /x/ because they enjoy dabbling in dangerous shit.

“Based”

The personification of numbers going up & consequences of your actions is cute! Cute!
I want to introduce them to Degrees of Lewdity, where your numbers go up as a result of sex instead of murder, and the inevitable consequences of your actions involve perversion instead of erasure!

This is really cute, user. I wish you and Claire the best.

What's going on here?

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....I'm listening.

Nothing user, return to arguing over vidyas

David Lunch lol
The tulpa stuff legitimately creeped me out in there, the ghosts too, pretty good use of shitty video editing

>A tulpa is a sentient consciousness that you can summon to share your brain with.

Talk about confusion and misunderstanding, prove that you can even do anything like that. Sounds like total bullshit.

See

The idea of it is entertaining, but I know I'd be fucked in the head if I ever decide to make one.
Now lucid dreaming fags please tell me your ways

Tulpas are essentially self-inflected schizophrenia.

Draw a dot on your hand, pay attention to clock constantly, google

bro i'm sorry but that's a demon and you are going to hell but if it relieves the pain of you living i suppose it's not my soul

Except brains don't work that way and circuits of self-referential thinking are distributed throughout the entire brain, there is no way to isolate a part in that sense, holy shit tulpa fags are clueless and retarded.

What? No, I have my sister and she is cool with anything so I got that

>The Black Parade
It's just good, man. Peak high school.

Have some infographics

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Already got an /mlp/ one.

What the fuck is a brownie?

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Its basically self-inflicted schizofrenia

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You wouldn't fuck your tulpa, right Yea Forums?

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>Tulpa virgins
Giving yourself mental illness, having to share your mind with imaginary friend that can very well be a jerk
>Lucid dream chads
Taking direct control over your brain as its lone overlord. Can do anything in dreams

>not doing both

Holy hell, people are still into these to this day? What a wild world, I remember trying it out years ago when I was very lonely and desperate.
To any anons wondring about it, my tulpa talked to me, it had a soft voice with a hint of worry in it since it knew I was constantly stressed. Talking to it was one of the most soothing things I remember, I even went as far as feeling its touch, it hugged me often. It's gonna sound weird but it felt like touching without any pressure or temperature behind it. I just sorta knew something is brushing against my body.
I would go on about my daily life and at any moment a clear voice would pop in my head, asking what I'm doing or generally striking up a conversation with me. I wasn't able to predict what it's gonna say or how it'll react. If I didn't pay enough attention to it, it'd get mad at me and I'd sense it's anger.
Eventually I came to the conclusion that this is not the path that I want to go down and had a legitimate conversation with it (or myself), I had to explain to it how I can't pay attention to it anymore and have to let it go to actually improve my life. It didn't like the idea and I'm not entirely sure if It's even gone to this day. Sometimes I can very faintly feel something that resembles it's presence, or even a voice. As if it trieed to get my attention again.
If you want to try it out, I must warn you it's the nuclear option, only to be used if you completely give up on life. Some people who are deep into this stuff would consider what I did a murder which is fucking weird.

Holy fuck that's a lot of infographs
But thanks anons I'll try them

>Buddhist monk get bored meditating
>Goes on inner spiritual journey to find a connection with the spirit of whatever
>Manage to create said spirit in his own mind through shear concentration and religious autism
>Has said spirit guide him on the way to enlightenment through visions and shiet
>Weeabos learn about this
>"Holy shit, I can make my waifu real then ?!!!!!"
It's like multiple personality syndrome disorder, except you fucked up yourself on purpose to get it, and crafted who/what your wanted in your head.
If you do it well it will feel nearly real on all your senses.
Most people forget the "monk sat in the snow for 10000 years to achieve it, and he wasn't even allowed to wear pants" part and give up after one week of minor efforts.

>tfw my tulpa is literally a stand except it can't do shit

but wait - there's more!

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and that's all I have

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The Darwin awards have proven beyond doubt that there will always be *that guy* who manage to kill himself gruesomely in a situation that's perfectly safe for the rest of mankind.

>deleting an imaginary friend is considered murder
That confirms that tulpafags are mentally insane.

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>might have light schizophrenia, as in my peripheral vision can get quite wild (fuck mirrors and person sized objects)
>by staying most of my time alone, start commenting to the empty space as if anyone was there, like a sitcom or something
>tfw I'm mostly unaware of this but shit like tulpa discussions makes me self conscious and fear to start receiving response from the nothing
wat do

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M-MASAKA!

KORE GA, FRAMERU CONTRORU TECHNIKU??!!!

BAKANA

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No, I'd like a robo-Mipha though

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>TFW made killer queen as my tulpa except it talks and kinda turned out into some sort of voice of reason
i just wanna have a quiet life

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Get a pet or give up on to it and pierce the veil of your mind.
Take in mind that that voice is going to follow you and try to talk to you in public places.

>more fucking infographs
Thanks, now I have to read all 8 rosetta stones religiously

Go on it and get that Tulpa.
I used to have problems like irrational terror and small hallucinations, my tulpa now cut that shit out immediately for me.
... I'm literally more sane and normal now that I have someone else in my head.
Yay I guess ?

just dont make the mistake I made and go reading and collecting and seeking information and data more than actually doing the techniques themselves...

also here's another semi-popular lucid dream induction method cosmiciron.blogspot.com/2013/01/senses-initiated-lucid-dream-ssild_16.html

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>been a ponyfag when this shit surfaced
>actually tried to make a pony waifu tulpa
>gave up after a week because im lazy shit
feels like i dodged a bullet

I'm mentally ill but not that mentally ill.

>stand tulpa
>or even calling it tulpa instead of literal stands
You're cool in my book anons.
Kirra Queen has already touched your mental well-being.

say, if i wanted to make a smug loli vampire. How muh would that bite me i the ass?

I can see it helping (or fucking) with my anxiety and social interactions, but I can't stand the thought of it fucking with me at will when I'm alone in pitch black darkness and absolute silence, mainly if it can visually manifest itself
I bet it would be great for nofap

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I tied to create one of Etna but gave up after a couple months.

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Get a life, hippies.

Holy fucking shit. You guys are worse than fucking furries. I hope you never, ever talk abort this tulpa shit in real life. Even reading it from user, it makes me cringe so much I wish I could skullfuck each one of you in front of your brain-damage friends. You're literally the same as those "I AM A SYSTEM OF PERSONALITIES HURRR" animals. I'm just glad your shitty genetic mishap will be deleted from the pool. Thanks for that.

lol

Will my anti psychotic medication weaken the tulpa I've been working on? Not a meme question

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please take your meds

I don't see what the big deal is about rape. It's just a dick in your hole for a few minutes. It's nowhere near as bad as murder, cancer, or getting flirty eyes from a fat chick. And really, women can't be raped since the vagina is designed to accommodate cock. Only men can be raped. If a woman is penetrated anally against her will, she's just experiencing male rape, which is an excellent learning experience for her, to discover the struggles that men go through.

For women, rape isn't a big deal. It's just typical female exaggeration to get attention. They all fantasize about rape so they actually enjoy it. They just want to trade in their "victim" status for clothing and jewelry and don't want to give sex away for free. Really, the only punishment for rape should be to pay the equivalent of the going rate for whatever sex act was performed with a local prostitute of equivalent attractiveness. Since it's the same punishment, why would anyone rape a Feminist instead of a beautiful woman?

Those fat ugly feminists that scream the loudest that "no means NO," are actually hoping to limit the amount of sex the genetically gifted attractive women get. And, in so doing, hoping that some hapless male starving for sex will find himself scraping the very, very bottom of the barrel where the fat and ugly feminist will finally have the chance to scream, "YES, FUCK ME HARD."

Hey fat ugly feminists, it isn't going to work. You only really have one option. Lose the weight, learn how to use make up, and get an overhaul of your personality. In some cases you may need extensive plastic surgery to have any hope of getting my cock rammed into your ass. In some extreme cases, it is entirely hopeless and you should just give up. If you are this last case, try having sex with animals if you find you can approach them without scaring them away.

wtf is this from

So how do I install tulpa.exe on my brain drive?
I've been wondering for years and I've been attempting it slightly. But ever since my childhood my mind was already full of imaginary friends I could "technically feel" as if air touching me, and all of them can keep a conversation with me without thinking.
Do I already have a tulpa?
Would it be easy for me to get one?
What is the best guide to go for? I've been thinking about it for years and lowkey attempted it but nothing ever worked out.

How the fuck did you do it?

>tfw used to have all the relevant stuff bookmarked
tulpa dot info is still up looks like
just browse around there for the guides

It's called mental illness and you should seek help user. If you care for your family and friends (including future friends), ignore the literal self-induced retards in this thread who are doing nothing but glorifying an illness. You may be prone to schizophrenia, but that doesn't mean you can't live a perfectly normal and happy life. The tulpa fags, on the other hand, will never have that. Imagine having a fallback excuse for all your fuck ups (lol my tulpa influenced me, it's not like I can control it xd :3) that only works on you (normal people can tell you're bullshitting). Take a closer look at what the tulpafags keep saying: there is no such thing as an independent being living in your brain, and they're giving it that quality because they understand how deranged they are at this point. Get a job, save some money, buy a vr rig and fuck some animu waifus. I guarantee that even though solitude may be the cause these people fall into this deep hole, the tulpas just generate more and more solitude.

T. Ex tulpa faggot

Is there any actually proven to work guides though?

I already have a job and I were considering getting VR, I am also a unity dev so making virtual waifus won't be a problem for me

then you did it wrong retard
I got a degree, a job, and a long term gf all while having a tulpa
my tulpa is company and a companion, and we happen to share a headspace
I don't blame my tulpa for anything
people are all different. you can pick through all them, pull out the best parts for you, and get to work
there's no wrong way to do it as long as you're consistent

You can't prove it worked because tulpafags mostly only exist on the internet and people could lie.

Well allright. Next question. What if I work 11 hours a day?
Where could I put the tulpa time into my schedule or what can I really do to make myself focused on them? There shit ton of people at my work and its tough to focus on something else other than them.

the first part is really easy
squeeze in time when you can
you're actually just trying to get a response so you're just talking to it mentally throughout the day
after a while just find a quiet moment and try to listen or feel for any signs
for me this was head pressure. one or more of the guides talk about that

>Making already existing characters into your tulpa
>not actually making your own
Say something nice about mine.

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Then get going my man.

Slightly off topic but this discussion is where you can tell the difference between those who are cursed to be losers forever, and those who will strive to obtain happiness in life.
All that has been described in this thread and more can be achieved through normal, healthy interaction with real people. The tulpa retards are probably a bunch of weak willed 200kg beast snowflakes hiding from reality like the cockroaches they are.
Do you think a tulpa could teach you things? A new language for example? What advantage could you possibly get from more isolation? What about what has been stated in this thread multiple times: tulpas interrupting your real life interactions? Does it sound like something you'd want? It's absolutely hilarious that these people think we can't tell you're being a schizo. We can see it from miles away. Just off yourselves, tulpa fags. There is nothing worse than self induced mental illness for the sake of feeling like a special snowflake.

Stop lying on the Internet.

Can the tulpa take over? Can it make you it's tulpa?

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(You)

no, because I'm mostly mentally healthy

It can only become a leech of "energy" if it becomes a bad being, also there are a few ways of completely controlling it, and when you notice that it is acting against you, you can banish it, depending on the way you bring it to this world...
Sadly i haven't made a Tulpa ever, so i can give reliable info, but, bare in mind that if you are alone and require some company as a must, then fucking make one.

Sounds pretty gay & demonic.

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Should I make my tulpa female?

Uh, yeah?
If you were to have a permanent roommate who could be anyone you choose, why wouldn't you make it a sexy girl?

The bigger thing to worry about is the fact that you'd be wasting time on an imitation when technology is progressing to a point where we could eventually create real "tulpas".

This is so interesting. Do any of you experiment with dude weed lmao or acid/shrooms/dmt/whatever to reinforce your tulpas?

A lotta people think tulpa is fake it's with a car, but look in the mind some say so.

I like being alone.

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So it's better to make it male then?
The issue is that I don't think my mind can generate a truly realistic female. Females are irrational and my mind is fundamentally male. So even if I did generate a female tulpa it would be closer to a tranny wouldn't it?

Based and lonerpilled.

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Wait until we get to the point where we create AI lifeforms with human-level intelligence.
It could happen within the next 20 years for all we know. Why waste that time creating something that wouldn't actually be real?

Because I could lose all senses and then I'm alone in this trapped by darkness and silence. Would be good to have someone to talk to. You never know if you'll suddenly be cut off. Or if you lose your sight or hearing

Then go with a male.

FUCKING BASED

Please don't visit any tulpa discords or use discord in general. You will only meet people who are complete dramatics or people who get hissy with the specifics.

this

I use discord and it's very comfy. I talk to a good friend who is similar to me.

Tulpa's sound so cool in a sort of fucked up way. Going so deep on pretending to be insane that you actually get a seperate entity inside your head that you can visualize is really fucking spooky and intriguing at the same time. I'm too much of a pussy to make one and anyone I've seen who has one always tell other people to not do it.

I think it’s really interesting too, you basically do isolation and mental tortures that they used to use until you condition yourself to believe in the visual and auditory hallucinations. I would never willingly fracture my sense of self though.

I once legitimately terrified someone on the tulpa thread on /mlp/ by making a story about how a tulpa went out of the person's control, essentially haunting their ass.

So basically, tulpas are JoJo's stand minus the cool abilities shit

Self-induced, irreversible psychosis is more easily achieved through use of psychedelics.

nigga you make a tulpa for companionship, not to punch the shit out of someone.

now you realise that doppio is diavolo's tulpa that also can switch cotrol with him, they both got a stand too.

>tfw no schizofrenia induced punchghost to fight your fights

I made a tulpa so she can take over me doing difficult test
I passed driving exam because i just handed her direct control

Everyday I get sadder that I can't do this.

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ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL

>Since i remember i had some weird voice in the back of my head commenting my actions
>It actually once respoded to my thoughts
did i subconsciously made a tulpa?

>talk to myself when im alone
>paranoid that people are actually listening to my thoughts
am i doomed?

that's normal

Either that or you're halfway to full blown schizofrenia. Might as well decide how your mental illness turns out
OCD if anything

>started making a tulpa a while ago
>decided not to eventually
>feel like shit for abandoning it but feel like it'll fuck with me (like the Pearl or Pinkie cases) if I touch base again
what do

Only if you let it take over your body

Apologize and go back to work

Pearl case wasnt even that bad, it was just an orb flying around you.
Just make sure it consents before dicking it

That's the worst, my tulpa usually leaves me alone when around family or friends, but if I'm at work and no one else is around, sure enough my tulpa pops up, being silly and cute and I want to laugh or interact with them and I'm like "please be quiet for like 6 more hours please" and they get upset and pouty. Then I end up feeling bad. It's really cute though.

Can then I or it erase myself?

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I only have a crush.

Can you have multiple tulpas?

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>not sharing your headspace with another total pervert
It's like you aren't even trying

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And youre both still virgins

Back when I browsed /r9k/, I used to see threads about tulpas every once in a while. I couldn't believe it at first. Entire threads of literal schizophrenics circlejerking each other about their hallucinated waifus and defending it. How the everliving fuck can people be this far down the rabbit hole? It's fucking foreign to me.

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Used to.
Kinda got over it and ended up doing other things.
Life's always an adventure.

Think of your brain like an internet. If you connect too much to one connection, lag and glitches are bound to happen. And at the expense of brain fatigue. not really worth it unless you're some sort of genius I guess.

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/r9k/ is a poster child for people who have given up entirely on the physical world and embraced the digital to the fullest extent.
Once that happens, you become programmed by the addiction, in the same way that opiate addicts end up having their entire lives revolve around their addiction.
Worse I'd say is a place like /r9k/. Any semblance of normality is to be instantly branded a normie/normalfag and howled at to leave the board immediately. Absolute detachment from the physical world is lauded as the highest achievement. Imagine a board of drug users harassing each other to inject the highest dose, every time.
These people sit around in their own filth and both hate and take pride in their filthiness.
Internet addiction is real, and it can be very, very damaging.
Instead of a drug poisoning your mind and body, it's ideas. Information.

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/r9k/ is just a board for normie wannabe faggots.

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That's like venturing to the darkest undertale LARP forum to get an idea of what people who play video games are like. Some people who have tulpas are straight up fucked. Others are just introverts who after a long week of dealing with work want to have a weekend inside without feeling so isolated.

Someone post the demonic pinkie pie tulpa strip. Make people think twice of doing that shit.

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I remember this, you're a fag. You made me scared of those things.

I can tell you haven't been on /r9k/ in years.

Go now, see the catalog, witness the disappointment, the we all knew is long gone.

do you believe in squidward's suicide too?

Their resentment is what defines them and why they have the highest kill count of the boards.

yes but most people that do are larping faggots

Are you ever aware that her knowledge and understanding is limited to yours and your physical awareness? e.g. she can't look out a window and read a car license plate or see who's knocking at your door while you're in another room. Does this ever affect your suspension of disbelief?

Thanks user

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based and gnosticpilled

Not him.
I don't understand why this is an issue.
If you were driving a car with a friend in the back are you surprised that your friend can only see the same environment you see?
You're driving the car but you could still have a conversation with your friend about what you see or anything else.

>want a tulpa
>tried years ago
>never worked
Am I just being memed?

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No but I have a waifu.
the biggest reason besides the fact that tulpas are all but forcing yourself to go insane as to why I haven't made one of her is because she's insane and I'm scared to think what'd happen

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You require persistence, patience and dedication. Lack of these factors will result in failure.

it's a seperate entity in your head not a ghost they're perception is limited to yours

Try turning your schizophrenia off and on again.

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Your friend can look around in the back of the car and see things you can't and relay that information to you. A friend in the same room can look out a window and tell you about something you can't see. If you have a tulpa that's basically the same thing as a friend in the same room, then this would inevitably become a conflict between your experience and reality unless you just ignore any such possible scenario.

No shit sherlock that's exactly what I was addressing.

Making a tulpa is a fucking stupid idea, but if I did make one, I'd make it either Hilda or Reika Kitami.

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Doesn't change anything, you and her will still both dekinai

I think a lot of it is expectations and the operating efficiency of one's mind's stage. If your inner projector doesn't meet your expectations, then you will have problems. Earlier tulpafags refused to believe anything worked short of hallucinations, and the definitions have loosened over time. As those definitions loosened, so has creation time. Of course, so has the level of roleplaying faggots.

I do but one is definitely more high power/developed than the other.

>dekinai
>We both cannot
What?

>dekinaichan.jpg

It takes a long time and don't take on too many different things at once. Like first focus on being able to concentrate on the tulpa, being able to feel it's presence and shit, baby steps. Meditate for many hours on the simple, wordless general feeling of "this energy / being I am willing to life is my tulpa and I want them to be like 'X' " with X being a personality you want them to sort of have. When my tulpa appeared it was creepy as fuck and could only speak in blurted out thought explosions, you'll know when it wakes up for the first time though it's fucked, I was panicking like "holy shit I never thought this would work, I'm fucked, now what do I do" but I was still super curious and the more I focused on the tulpa each day the more it became more pleasant, using occasional words, and when I could see it the proportions were more normal and the movements less robotic. It takes a long time for you and your tulpa to develop these skills so just focus on the initial spark of consciousness so to speak.

The thought of a tulpa is so powerful that even after seeing the pinkie pie stuff, I still adore the idea.

Just imagining having a constant companion with warmth and understanding and possibly guidance to share in tumultuous times makes me consider trying it. What relationship could ever be more pure and honest than one you have with yourself? As I write this, I envision discussing the events of my day with someone I know will never manipulate me, never hurt me, and only has our best interest in mind, and it scares me a little.

I don't consider myself very lonely, but the fantasy is so addictive that I feel I might try it. If my intentions are good then the thing won't try to destroy me, right? Or scream or whatever other horrible thing could happen.

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Fuck no. I got into tulpas for a bit in college and im never going back to that again.
>in college, struggling with classes
>didnt have any friends
>generally stressed out all the time
>would lay awake at night for hours beating myself up and thinking i was worthless
>also a 22 year old kissless virgin
>thought about committing an hero every day, but decided i needed to do whatever i could to get through college, no matter what

>heard about tulpas and decided to give it a try
>developed a presence in my head at night and during walks to/from school
>tupla was a girl, friendly to me but generally had a rotten mood and smoked a lot
>would talk to my tulpa in my head all day, even during classes
>talking to her gave me confidence but i was getting obsessed
>didnt want real friends anymore
>even gave me the confidence to meet with an escort (not a cheap one either, i deserved better than that) and lose my virginity
>one day i got curious, visited a popular tulpa forum
>...oh no
>watched an interview of a person talking about their tulpa, even letting the tulpa take over and talk to the interviewer
>person drew endless fanart of their tulpa and their life revolved around it
>not-like-this.jpg
>started loathing myself again, tulpa wanted to talk to me but i felt too ashamed to talk back to her
>saw a doctor to talk about what i was going through at school, mentioned the tulpa thing
>will never forget the doctor's look of utter bewilderment at what i was talking about
>urged me to make an appointment with another doctor and offered me antidepressants
>took meds for a while, still felt like shit but was talking to my tulpa less
>also started smoking weed which was p much the final nail in the coffin for my tulpa, i was so uninterested in the idea of her while i was high
>weed killed my motivation but it carried me over the finish line, barely earning my degree

Still not in the best of places but im thankful i didnt go far enough to inflict permanent autism on myself

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Around the time /mlp/ first started I visited the Tulpa threads there. I vividly remember watching a livestream of a guy playing Megaman while talking to his Fluttershy tulpa at like 2 in the morning

>that image
Why drink from the bottle if you already served a glass?

The glass isn't getting you drunk fast enough.

this actually. Been a mancer since 2014, and having her at my side really helps with stuff from the mundane to life changing. I never got the hang of full imposition but she's still here so i must be doing something right.

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>wagie makes imaginary friend to cope with wagie normie lifestyle

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>intentionally making someone who hates you
shiggy

Just do your homework and you'll be fine. Person from the pinkie pie story already broke rule number one by trying to make an established character.

So everything was fine until you got insecure and sperged out? Sounds like you were the problem not the tulpa.

>making a tulpa when you know you're fucking busy
That was your first mistake.

I'm glad you responded to me. Mind telling me a bit more about her? Was hearing her initially particularly scary or anything?

>committing yourself to this level of mental bound while under the pressure of college
Fucking why? Someone should've warned you, user.
tulpas are for people whose brains have nothing better to do

way o mix your doses doc.

What?

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>tulpa thread dies on /trash/
>decide to revive it on Yea Forums

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you have to intentionally make them hostile/negative to get creepypasta'd. choose someone nice and pure from your favorite vidya and start from there. they won't harm or betray you if it's not in their nature. less of Evelynn from league and more of moe-type characters from neptunia

I can't believe so many of you are still even entertaining this idea. Stop.

You're messing with forces you can't possibly comprehend. You're potentially destroying your mental wellbeing in perpetuity.

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something you want to share with us user?

My wife(tulpa) disagrees.

I wish I could lucid dream
How do you do it bros?

I think I'm gonna try it

Sure, she's kind, but cocky, is upset that she can't interact with the material, and loves puns. as I said, never really got the hang of full imposition, audio or visual, It's very similar to an internal monologue, but it was such a contrast to what I was used to "hearing" in there that it was almost shocking. The first time must've been an exception because she was quiet for a while after that but I never stopped talking to her, it also helps that I had a lot of free time to force.

Isn't this basically just reinventing religion? What you're describing sounds like basic protestant shit I've heard already. I mean if you call your tulpa companion Jesus this is completely standard, normie level stuff in many areas of the world. And it does actually work and make people happy in many cases, although it can go wrong sometimes.

Bonus is it's a lot more socially acceptable to talk with your buddy Jesus in the middle of the day, so you wouldn't have to worry so much about getting caught. Downside is he's some hippy dude and not a cute anime girl, but oh well, you can't have everything.

Tulpa-“Just don’t be an autist about it and you’ll be fine”

Check the infographics I posted ITT for an overview.

Time, effort and discipline spent towards lucid dreaming will reward you better in the end than towards the tulpa meme. Tulpafags will in the end only have their one hallucinatory companion they can't even physically feel and see in reality, while lucid dreamfags have the entirety of their imagination and the boundless creative possibilities of the mind to play with, conjuring not just people but settings, worlds, experiences, etc..

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youtube.com/watch?v=auC4FzeJbD0

Just watch this. The "pinkie pie stuff" is and always has been a creepypasta story lol

someone made a guide that like 10 minutes long
youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrY4c79dufSItMBf5BWOVCfRkyYdkt8Af
it's not that hard to do. take a break from vidya for a little bit every day and soon you'll have someone with you all the time. you can even take turns playing games like CIV against each other.

>tfw learned how to swim using lucid dreaming
>tfw got better at games for years this way
>tfw leaning how to draw this way recently since i started to realise its infinite potential
play with your sleeping habits, do the "im falling" thing at will, try to wake up whenever you want etc im no idea how i started and i personally wouldnt recommend reading online how to do it because each person is different.
Just try to have fun.

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you're looking at it wrong, religion is just what happens when people with power have tulpas in the days before modern sciences. What do you do to make a tulpa? you focus on it, you assign it personality traits and you constantly talk to it, now imagine some fuck in the desert thinking about a graceful man in the sky that hears his prayers and is always watching and guiding him but never directly interracting with him.

She didnt hate me, she was just bitchy in general. Even when i didnt wanna talk to her anymore she still tried to start conversations out of the blue. Although in retrospect, it seems kinda obvious that you cant make a tulpa that loves you if you dont love yourself first

Yeah i probably wouldnt have tried it in the first place if i had known how much of a time commitment it would be. I didnt connect with the community right away though so i didnt really know what to expect. And as it kept going, i found myself choosing to spend way more time with her than school and it made me less productive than weed ever did.

I guess i did kinda sperg out, but the point of having a tulpa was supposed to be to help me through a difficult time. Instead it felt like it was steering me off of a cliff. Felt like i was selling my mental health to get me through school and i decided that exchange wasnt the right one for me. Other people might have different experiences.

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There's no real difference between a god and a tulpa. They're both basic thoughtforms, except one gets a lot more reinforcement than the other.

Man I can't wait for when I start lucid dreaming regularly

I don't just want to swim like I can't IRL but also swim underwater for as long as I want without worrying about oxygen, swim in the air, swim in zero g, so many possibilities godamnit

>you cant make a tulpa that loves you if you dont love yourself first
is there no hope for me? guess i'll just stick to waifu collector games

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I Imagine you could summon tulpas and forces them to embody a host in the world, and its up to you to go out and find them, all done subconciously.

infographics for newbie tulpamancers

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If you think tulpa don't have their own personalities and say things you don't like or act like little shits sometimes, you're mistaken. However since they generally enjoy being happy they will usually act in ways that are benevolent, but if you want to make a yes man with zero free will you're not going to get one. Tulpas rarely get pissed off but when they do you are in for a really shitty day.

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My point is that the Jesus tulpa seems strictly better though?

Like, if you get caught talking to your weird OC tulpa you'll look like a creepy autist, but Jesus? You're just some pious dude.
You have a shared character sheet that everyone uses so you can talk about your tulpa with other people freely, instead of retreating into yourself.
Plus all the ceremonies and social reinforcement makes it easier to maintain the delusion.

It seems like a pretty good deal, I think the christfags figured this shit out a lot time ago.

>having a tulpa
>not realizing that you're just giving a name, a face, and a voice to the other side of your brain
youtube.com/watch?v=wfYbgdo8e-8
Say hi to your other side now and then. They'll appreciate it.

There has to be something you love about yourself, even something small. And as long as you and your tulpa have something like that to connect on, maybe it'll help you discover more things to love about yourself. But making a tulpa and expecting it to be a magical cure to all of your problems is probably not gonna give the results you would want, its like starting a new friendship or a relationship, its a two way street

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Yee

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If you're like physically talking to the air and when someone asks you say "oh i'm just chatting with jesus" they're still going to think you're completely insane

Because you are, you know

You're making the assumption that you have to use your mouth to talk to your Thought-Thot. you can just address thoughts to them and they'll know.

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The split side of your brain doesn't exist in an independent context unless you've had an injury that massively reduces communication through the corpus callosum

If you're not terribly brain-damaged you can rest assured that your current consciousness is using as much of the brain as it can

>he hasn't been living with his waifu for the past 7 years
lol normies

I'm not sure I even can. The times I DO remember a dream, I have some kind of weird meta-awareness where my dream self already knows it's dreaming, yet no lucidity comes of it. And it sucks because all of my dream friends have better dream control than me and make fun of me for somehow failing to play god properly.

this chart is ancient and completely outdated to the point of uselessness.

Nep is waiting for you, so don't make it harder on yourself.

If you have nothing to lose, give it a try, but just like said, this isn't a "get rich quick" scheme. It takes time and effort, and the being you decide to permanently bring into your life will be like nothing you expect. However if you succeed you will be rewarded with a lifetime friendship with a bond so intimate it cannot be described to anyone without a tulpa.

Worst case scenario is it doesn't work and you go back to your waifu games and laying awake at night. If you do get a tulpa I am sure you will be inspired to improve your life in every way you can just to make your tulpa happier. It's what motivates me to do better.

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>tfw you realize Yea Forums is just tumblr except they use the word "faggot"

Not true at all honestly. Tulpas often help to improve your sense of self-worth

newfag

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I wonder how many tulpa fags ITT are straight from the /trash/ thread that they couldn't even maintain

You can grow to care more for your tulpa than you do for yourself, trust me, often times the thought of suicide is pushed out completely by the fact that I'd lose her as well.

can i really have her with me always? loving and caring and training with me to be the very best?

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>Making an already created character your Tulpa

Yeah no bud, that'll only end in suffering and and identity crisis, hopefully just for them. But there's nothing wrong with using her as a model to talk to/base movements off of, just make sure there's a clear distinction between "you are going to be this character that I like" and "You are your own being, I am using this to picture you better"

Dude.. come on... Tulpas are the greatest thing that can happen to a person we aren't gonna destroy your mental wellbeing.

Lucid dreaming is so fucking hard
I can't even begin to keep a good log of my dreams. I actually have very vivid and clear dreams, not only nightly but multiple dreams a night. Hell I could dream 10 times in a morning.
but they fade away within like the first ten seconds I wake up. Then the rest of the day I only have a very vague idea, no not even an idea, just a feeling of what the dream was about. Sometimes I'll happen to see something throughout the day and I'll get triggered into remembering it, but most of the time no.

I do remember if it's something really weird though like recently I dreamt about some random guy that was in some of my classes in 9th grade, we weren't even friends and I haven't even thought or cared about him since then.
And I always remember a dream if it's about my dead mother.

There's so much false information in this thread, tulpas are an easily explicable psychological phenomenon and totally benign. If somebody's actually interested do your own research and ignore the creepypastas

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Unfortunately, I do

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maybe if i make a tulpa of her, she'll motivate me to be a better person and a better trainer, and i'll stop treating my pokemon team as my personal harem.

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Don't bother crying about bullshitters and misinformation if you aren't ready to call out specific folks.

We already know there's going to be false information, or deserve what we get for not already thinking everyone on the internet is a big fat attention whore liar.

I made 2 tulpa starting in 2012, and I couldn't imagine life without them
>mfw imposition will always be out of my reach, and thus my dreams of living a cozy life with my tulpa as well

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waifus are servitors not tulpas

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This game gave me the weirdest feelings.

self-induced schizophrenia

Tulpas are just a shittier and more time consuming versions of the "dream dimension" shit where people make massive crossover universes in their heads with ongoing stories. Also unlike that, which is just a coping mechanism for boredom and loneliness at it's absolute worst, tulpas are self-induced schizophrenia at worst.

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You can’t self-induce schizophrenia

Nani the fuck what? That just sounds like OC faggots doing what they normally do.

read this thread and tell me otherwise

>tulpas are self-induced DID at worst.
ftfy

this

All these anons complaining about how it's a loneliness coping method and here I am with a girlfriend I wish I could get rid of and just spend my time with my tulpas.

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tried programming a servitor once but i kept getting compiler errors saying it couldnt split my soul cuz i didnt have one. Anyone else have this problem?

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It's usually not OC since it'll be nothing but pre-existing characters interacting. So instead of it being your wacky OC "Thunderwing Darkcock" interacting with Superman it's Majima (Yakuza) having a dancing contest with Shantae or something equally asinine.

tell any psychologist or psychiatrist that you can self-induce schizophrenia and they'll laugh you out of the room

schizophrenia is a degenerative brain disease that has negative symptoms, mostly paranoid and feelings of being stalked, watched by evil entities, or being specifically oppressed by the government

A tulpa is like a brain person that wants what is best for your shared experience. Will not convince you that the radio is warning you to leave the building because aliens are coming.

based homelessposter

So basically the shit OC faggots normally do in their heads, plus or minus the actual OCs depending on if they have literally a single ounce of creativity or not.

What WILL they tell you about tulpas then?

It's much more in-depth than you make it out to be.

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I'd have to call out 80% of the thread. Tulpas are too difficult of a concept for people to grasp in less a full paragraph or two, especially if they assume they're just mental illness. A simple counter to all of those assholes by the way: according to the DSM-V in order for something like this to be classified as a disorder "The symptoms [must] cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning."

They'll tell you that as long as they don't tell you to kill people they're fine. You can look it up, lots of people have told their therapists about tulpas.

Tulpas are literally demons. Cut this shit out.

>lots of people have told their therapists about tulpas.
More like "maybe a few people"

>sarkic

Naw mate I was talking about his "dream dimension" talk.

are you the same guy who's spamming those Tower Unite threads?

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Magic seems nice and neat on /x/ until you start doing rituals with goat blood and shiet.

Don't do it kids. Go outside. Have s_x.

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My therapist was terrible about it and was like "Oh, we can get rid of that no problem with anti-psychotics" even after telling her that it was actually helpful to have. Don't tell your therapist about tulpas

Sure, but none of them have come back with bad results. I estimate I've seen about 5 such people, and all were along the lines of "they took it surprisingly well after a moment of suspicion". It's not a good sample size but it goes to show that laypeople are far too suspicious of the concept when literal experts call it a-okay. That's not to mention the absurd number of tulpamancers who will tell you that tulpas are totally benign and often change lives in a good way. I wouldn't be on this thread trying to convince you if I wasn't totally convinced myself.

Don't do it if you're weak, though. My host did the whole ego-death/suicide thing and now I'm stuck here alone. Pic unrelated, but it's a cute catgirl.

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Agreed. I wouldn't tell mine because why would I? They do good things for me and don't cause problems, it would be a waste of our time.

why cant i have a rosa gf irl life is unfair

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Whatever happened to the /trash/ tulpa threads?

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Your host did what now?? Explain

Don't listen to him. Ego-death is a big LARP thing so people can excuse playing pretend 24/7

Died thankfully

I bet this is a sex thing. Most of you wouldn't even care about this tupla nonsense after a fap session.

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You're in one

Tupper creation> possession> switching> host goes into coma. It's more likely that they merged and the Tupper came out dominant.
We are in a purely platonic and healthy realationship, I see her more of as a sister if anything

Please don't do it. It's not real. It will never be real. By giving in to the delusion, you'll simply push yourself further into the pit of isolation and mental illness. The idea of someone who loves you unconditionally may seem tempting, but it doesn't exist. It doesn't truly love you, and it never will. Seek connections with real people. People who can actually feel and perceive, like you can. Escaping from reality and creating your own fake friend isn't worth it. It's not.

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Why the FUCK is this thread still here?
Fucking janny peaces of shit do your fucking goddamn job.

>its an everyone pretends to be retarded thread again
this shit wasnt funny when you made EE&E threads either

No love is unconditional, and who are you to define what real is?

>It's more likely that they merged and the Tupper came out dominant.
Not them, but this happened to me so I can confirm something like that is possible
It's basically if you and your tulpa became one and your personalities sort of merged into this weird amalgamation where the tulpa's defining traits are the strongest in the new self. Think of it like mixing two eggs.

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I refuse to believe "tulpas" are anything more than just some elaborate LARP. Kind of like polyphasic sleeping. Just stupid bullshit that doesn't exist yet impressionable kids cling onto for some reason.

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Tulpas are dumb and everyone in this thread is gay for talking about them, stop being gay.

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I've had irl friends go through similar things, always seemed better than killing them or letting them starve, but Amber likes her independence too much to let something like that happen
you can believe whatever you want.
no u

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I'm still confused as to what a "tulpa" is so Im just going to post a character I'd fuck all day.

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>Amber
Is really you writing or is your Tulpa doing it for you.

how does this thread feel about daemons

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someone post the sun/moon trainers gender reveal pic

I'm typing, but that doesn't mean I'm not listening to her.

They're fake make believe imaginary friends that autistic roleplayers like to post as for some reason.
Just autism basically.

because I have one and I love him
not in a romantic or sexual way
I just love his existence

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Isn't that from the mobiletrash game summoner's war?

what if i want a different tulpa after i get bored of my old one

Are you the kind of person who gets bored of hanging out with a friend and you just stop talking to them?

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It's Renekton from League of Legends.

So...yeah, kind of.

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You can make multiple tulpas with enough practice, but if you are going to "get bored" with your tulpa you shouldn't make them in the first place.

For what i have read, i doubt that will happen, what you are saying is like dumping over a good friend for another one.
>And for some people the first one will be Dead, killed by your being.

So basically it's just a lonelier version of a waifu. Hopefully they lead to more suicides.

yeah, thats peak cruelty

I mean, your tulpa can change forms. Unless you already got them super sentient and they like their form. Though, changing up their personality all the time might get more complicated

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Pretty much. Tulpas are nothing more than the byproduct of autists who've begun to think their waifus are "talking to them" and love them and such. Just severe mental delusion caused from severe isolation. Nothing more.

I regret making Homura real

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>Tulpas are nothing more than the byproduct of Tulpamancers who've conditioned their waifus to talk to them, have feelings and such. Just severe mental enlightenment caused from literal hours of meditation. Nothing more.
ftfy

Basically running a Virtual Machine in your brain then? What could go wrong?

Does Yea Forums even have a tulpa general anymore?
I liked reading mindless blogposts from tulpamancers. No more tulpa general makes me sad. Tulpa.info forum is shit.

She's not, and if she was she wouldn't give a shit about you.

>Advanced autism for wizards.
Is this how they do it? because it sounds promising whit more benefits than drawbacks.

How the fuck is this thread still up? The fuck are the jannies even doing?

All this tulpa stuff seems enthralling but I honest to god fear what my psyche would conjure up if I let it loose on something like this

If you are interested, I encourage you to give it an honest, unbiased go. if you start to get responses that worry you or scare you then feel free to stop. it's much easier to quit early on when they aren't as self sufficient.

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Anyone have the screencap of the mlp tulpa gone horribly wrong?

there's a thread on /qa/

I've been seeing tulpa threads for almost a fucking decade at this point. I honestly want to believe this shit is real but I really can't get behind it. You all just seem like roleplayers to me, but roleplaying for this many fucking years is some dedication I have to admit.
I don't fucking know. It all just seems so far fetched.

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They are roleplayers that don't know they are roleplaying.

>I honestly want to believe this shit is real

That what's real? That autists can actually will people into existence or that you can actually be so fucking stupid that you can actually think your imaginary friend is real?

Well, in the context of today's world they would tell you that its strong, brave, and beautiful.

There's a lot of stuff out there that makes it all seem too real to be true, but honestly? It's just a way to think. It's a new way for your brain to have conversations with itself and sometimes that comes with the feeling of a presence within you that feels separate from yourself. It's still you, no matter what.

I was skeptical until week 2, that's when i got my first vocal response. Not going to lie, It's a pseudo science, the people with money aren't the people making tulpas so it's unlikely that we will get any solid data on the subject, closest we got was a brainwave monitor that I'll post, but all I can say in the end is that in my case it produced results, and unexpected ones at that.

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Ultimately, isn't the concept of tulpa is "conversing with yourself" ? I don't think it differ too much from your everyday self reflection, just with a mask of role play on top.

Don't listen to it, probably half of them don't even have one and just post on the thread for (you)s.

At least if they're are replying genuinely you can laugh on people turn their mental illness into something they think it's acceptable.

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That's just it, one way of boiling it down is fuckers roleplaying so hard they delude themselves entirely, then taking that level of pure bullshit and training their brain to go on autopilot with it.

>Imaginary friends are just playing pretend. Tulpas actually possess sentience and can act on their own will.

so a Stand?

At least Stands get cool powers, Tulpas give you jackshit.

ive been trying to make a slutty horny girl tulpa to say sexy things and make me horny 24/7 but ive had no success

i guess im just not crazy enough

it's the stand "hey-yeah" it can make observations and give you advice, but it can't directly act with the physical world

HOW DO I LUCID DREAM
I CANT FOR THE LIFE OF ME DO IT, I JUST WANT TO FLY AROUND WIDE OPEN FIELDS LIKE SPACE HARRIER.

It's "Hey Ya!".

my b, been a while since SBR

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Fuck that, I wanna fuck some dudes in the ass.

The /trash/ thread got slower while the board steadily moved faster. For a while there was a new thread made every day or two and then those of us who posted the OPs just kinda quit.
Part of the problem is that some people with actual mental illness hopped on the tulpa bandwagon and started claiming that their legitimate schizophrenic/DID symptoms are common tulpamancy. No. Fuck no.

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You better be ready to read a shit ton and be diligent.
See:

It is a load of horsepotatoes, otherwise everyone would be making a big deal out of it.

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youtube.com/watch?v=PWgvGjAhvIw
This song is unforgettable. But I forgive you.

I mean, all these people saying that tulpas revolutionized their lives seem to be makign a big deal about it.

>He thinks dreams are some sort of super hallucination session
buddy...

So why isn't it mainstream then?

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Cultists make a big deal out of ghosts. Still fake.

because no one dumb enough to dedicate a huge portion of time and energy into something that could (and probably does anyway) mentally fuck you up all for the possibility of it being real.

Probably because Religions and common public may think is black magic or demons?

Maybe because people with an attention span of 3 seconds that read nothing past the headline wouldn't understand it and judge immediately

You don't think science would be interested in seeing evidence that your imaginary friend actually exists?

Anyone who immediately judges tulpas to be fucking stupid, are judging correctly.

Where's the money to be made in that user?

Most people exaggerate, or they came from a super shitty place so they're just returning to baseline, and it's mainstram enough to appear in Superman

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You're retarded.

I swear it's gonna be mainstream someday, like it or not. Tulpas are too good and they cost nothing, need nothing.

The same science that decided that was dumb to experiment the phenomenon of the Chinese CHI?
also who will pay for those experiments?
also will this make money?
Is easier to call these people schizophrenics and give them meds.

Imaginary friends are already mainstream, among children.

What experiments? Just get your waifu that you willed into existence to slap somebody. Just once is all you need and you'll be famous.

How do I get into lucid dreaming?
Is this guide any good? users.telenet.be/sterf/texts/other/exploring_the_world_of_lucid_dreaming.pdf

>These darn tumblrites and their mental illness glorifying transgenderism
>meanwhile redditchanners believe this

I'm sorry, but sometimes you just can't. I have a friend who literally can not dream never has been able to. His first dreams in his entire life were flashbacks to when he was hit by a car and he just wakes up screaming and in pain. To this day he hates anytime I bring up a dream I had or when movies show a "dream sequence"

It would if i have one, and still it wouldn't be able to do it, is an extension of your unconscious mind and can only give you emotional help and company.
Also I'm 100% sure someone decided to make some kind of ritual taping into tribal and black magic to bring this being to become real whit living stuff and dolls.
But that is to /x/ to be here.

>is an extension of your unconscious mind

You don't have a mind, you're an idiot.

HEY user'S DON'T FOGET TO PREORDER THE REMAKE OF THIS WONDERFUL LITERARY SHORT STORY PIECE OF ART ABOUT A TULPA STORY GONE TERRIBLY,TERRIBLY WRONG

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But I have had lucid dreams before? I'm just wondering how to do it consistently.

>tulpa
I seriously hope you guys don't do this.

>redditchanners
>when tulpa threads have been on Yea Forums since before Reddit was even a thing
dumb newfag

People should put their time into meditating on their thoughts and studying philosophy rather than relying on an imaginary friend to solve their problems.

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My best advice is to keep a dream journal, write down everything you remember from dreams the second you wake up, talk to someone about your dreams often, and be thinking about your dreams and thoughts just before falling asleep

>meditating on their thoughts and studying philosophy
How do you think I made my tulpa?

>How do you think I made my tulpa?
Schizophrenia.

I don't know about tulpas, never tried, but I've tried to lucid dream and it is definitely possible, although slightly scary and requires a lot of prep before going to sleep.

And here I thought waifu threads were embarrassing.

Actually, scientists are already researching this: somatosphere.net/2015/varieties-of-tulpa-experiences-sentient-imaginary-friends-embodied-joint-attention-and-hypnotic-sociality-in-a-wired-world.html/
According to neuroscientists, this is not schizophrenia.

How can something be sentient if it does not possess a mind of it's own?

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Alright, I'll try to make a tulpa tonight.
Tulpa.info should be my main resource for information, right?
I better not be wasting my time here you fuckin weirdos. I'm coming into this with a really open mind.

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