Is pirating justified?

yea. i've actually bought less games since it became a little harder to pirate because i don't want to end up wasting my money. i'm not against people being compensated for their work either but i think the benefits of piracy outweight any negatives.

You are acquiring the work of hundreds of people, putting in thousands of man hours and not compensating them. You can call this theft, or being a good capitalist.
If you say capitalist it means you are an self righteous idiot

Except in the vast majority of cases it's the pirates posting these threads and trying to start arguments.

its kind of like those SJW that say racism = prejudice + power and say white people cant be racist. If you disagree with them they think you are telling them that institutional racism or w/e the fuck in their head ISNT BAD but that is not what you are saying.

*i meant racist against white people

When the Dev/Publisher does some legitmately stupid crap yes. Don't give a crap about the morality of it if I'm actively bitching about other factors of it.

Also the matter of how much of the money I'd have spent would actually go to the developer instead of some dumb tranny pencil pusher fucking with official localisations over politics.

I really can't give a toss for those reasons because they don't give a toss about the people who give them money anyways.

based, log live videogames fuck the industry

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I mean a few of these are legit. I do try before buying if it isn't on Steam for easier refund. And most games I pirate I end up playin for 30 minute max then uninstall anyways. MUH LOST INCOME

Absolutely. Can't trust devs and publishers to represent their games truthfully. The knock on effect is I try before I buy and really it's made me buy way too much shit I never play. They can cry and moan about piracy but a sale that never happened is not the same as stealing a piece of physical merchandise. Pirates also have the effect of doing free advertising for many games. It's not like most people exist in a vacuum.

Cope.

I guess anyone not paying taxes is guilty of infrastructure piracy.

>You are acquiring the work of hundreds of people, putting in thousands of man hours and not compensating them.
So are the publishers that force them to work like they’re in a sweat shop. Don’t be mad that we’re playing by the same rules

No. But as long as the industry is full of HR reject faggots and dykes, I'ma keep doing it.

Yes, IF
>You don't sell pirated content
>Content can't be purchased through legit methods (Or legit method involves a 3rd party AKA thrift stores)
>Its not too new

Piracy is only morally justifiable to me if the developer no longer gets money from the sale (VtMB)

I pirate games because I don't have the money to buy them, I don't care if it's the same as theft or not, but I it's a game that I end up liking I can always support it

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Actually I think bloodlines isn't owned by activision anymore so nevermind

The thing is, if cool games keep being pirated, then publishers have no incentive to keep hiring people who make those games. Instead they'll put their money on shit like Madden and Fifa which have userbases that are too stupid to pirate shit, making them sure to return profits.

Buying a game also involves making a copy of it so this argument makes no sense

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Are lootboxes justified?

are trannies justified?

If you use any ad blocker you are a pirate.

Pirate culture is cringe as fuck, if you're gonna pirate something just do it and seed, don't be a massive beaming faggot about it.

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Yeah. For old console stuff that you genuinely can't buy new 100% it is. The "controversy" only comes up with new stuff, which I think is justified but if a game's good I'll buy it when it's cheap.

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downloading a game results in zero loss. it is data.

stealing a copy results in a loss as that disc cost money to make and the game cost money to ship.

torrenting is not "stealing".

>and seed
That's a YIKES

>don't be a massive beaming faggot about it.
This except for anti piracy fags.

There'd be argument for old console games if publishers were willing to give them longetive support, but even when they do shit like create infastructure with Wii's Virtual Console and PSN on PS3, that shit is promptly discarded come next gen.

I don't know.
I do it if I don't trust a game or what gameplay reviews etc that I see enough to just warrant an outright buy.
Money isn't an issue right now though, and I don't buy games nearly as much as I used to, so I haven't really pirated in years.

Having said that, I feel like pirating Epic Store games is somewhat justified, as the development team already got fully paid for the effort.

There was an author who proposed that piracy does affect her area of work (books). She did a small experiment after she noticed the fact that the 3rd book in her series sold like total shit, and when she looked it up she found out people were sharing the pdfs.
Her experiment was basically not issuing early reviewer pdfs, and uploading her own junk pdfs to these torrenting and other book pirating sites. She monitored forums and found that people were desperate for a working pdf and since there were none to be found they ended up buying the book legitimately. He sales climbed back to normal.
I know it's not video games but I found it interesting that piracy can hurt authors,and I wonder what impact they have on gaming.

Seeing as in the terms of service you don't actually own a steam game when you buy it, it's fair game if you ask me. The only problem is I'm lazy as hell and the convenience of auto updates, less cracking etc. I just buy the games, minus Fallout 4, total bastardization of my favorite franchise, fuck you Todd.

>somewhat justified
Pirating egs games is 100% justified. Fuck those greedy dishonest kikes.

>I wonder what impact they have on gaming.
Either none or slightly good because people actually enjoy the game and tell others.

I've been staunchly against piracy since I was aware it was a thing, with the one loophole I'd be willing to stomach is if you already have a copy of the game being DL'd. However, I will GLADLY put on an eye patch if Streaming kills all other forms of media. My relationship with buying digital is already strenuous, the only comfort being in instances like Scott Pilgrim where as long as my account lives on, I will own it. But we are fast approaching a gen where I won't even own my game library and my "fuck-that-o-meter" has reached fever pitch.

Shut the fuck up faggot, you're exactly the problem

Way different. Typically if you buy a new book, digital or physical the author gets like 40% or some other low number. Books are usually only made by like 1 to 2 people so that 2 bucks per 5 dollar book sale is all they get. The cut is way different for huge studios. Plus the people who actually make the game are salaried.
Pirating a game typically only hurts the publisher but pirating a book directly takes money out of the author's pocket instead. It's why pirating an indie game will more likely ruin a studio than pirating the latest CoD.

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Because the companies aren't producing/providing a medium, writing, case, sleeve, manual, distribution, labor, storage, overhead, etc. There is simply limitless 1s and 0s downloaded.
Not defending piracy, but this isn't difficult to understand.

Nah, most games I just get on sale. Or if I buy it on release it's something I really want and that way I can at least show some demand for the product
Don't pirate movies/tv for the same reason
I only pirate anime because I'm not going to pay for 6 different services with horrible translations.

Forgery isn't a crime

I would argue burnt games is what led to the ps1 becoming very popular.

Piracy isn't always bad.

That's true, but I do agree with the spirit of the post which is that a lot of pirates love to delude themselves with nonsense arguments because they know what they are doing is wrong. I would say the best pirate shuts up, doesn't advocate it but privately does because it's his life and that's his business. And making sure to share positive experiences for games worth playing.
On an unrelated note Sekiro is the GOTY and Resident Evil 2 is also pretty good.

Which makes them paying out the ass for DRM and exclusivity all the sweeter, because that's where pirates really bite them in the ass.

It's double-plus extra good if you pirate Epic Games exclusives.

I'd like an experiment to be done to know for sure, but I don't think it has any good effects, I'd argue it's benign for now.
I'm guilty of pirating, I'll admit, but I don't understand people who defend it so vehemently.
Sometimes I approve of pirating, like college books (I spent 270ish dollars on 1 medical book and 65 on a medical lab manual), old games that are out of print, consoles that are no longer being supported, or movies that don't exist anywhere else (The Sweatbox or the original editions of the Star Wars movies)

These threads are always the same arguments over and over again, there's never any discussion.

This, but unironically.

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It's hard to do an experiment like this because it's hard to accurately judge the results as it has to do with official and unofficial sources. It's not like comparing sales numbers between games will actually mean anything, how can you give out a survey to people who don't have the means to receive it through an official copy?
It's just hard number to quantify because the market fluctuates.

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I was thinking more like releasing a spiked crack file and monitoring how many people download it. Something relatively simple. Its a fantasy to be sure, but I think that's only way to legitimately get numbers

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>Costs determine prices
Fuck off, Marxist cuck

Oh but I am compensating them, and the price I'm willing to pay is zero, at least until I decide this aether product is worth something more than my time. If they don't like this they can GTFO the digital industry.

They did that even while we were buying games. Fuck em. You can't stop the relentless march of the moronic masses.

The only cost of a new copy after the first one is the electricity used for making it, which is virtually zero.

Yes, and the music industry fucks and their scotus slaves will never change the fact that sharing is a morally acceptable thing to do.

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there is literally nothing wrong with sharing files over the internet

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>Just stop giving a fuck
This

Proof or GTFO.
Regarding books.

yes but what about stuff with that official crack fixed? What about genuinely cracked files making circulation?
I've wanted to do something like this for the longest time as well but I have no capital to pursue it with.

>I feel like pirating Epic Store games is literally always justified
Fixed.

Who said I was being ironic? FUCK Epic.

desu the world is desperately in need of fewer video games
do your part and pirate 1,000,000 copies of an indie game today. the lost sales this generates should be equal to at least around $5 million, which should be more than enough to put that fledgling developer in the grave. do your part

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>People share PDFs of your work
>Meaning they do care about what you do
>Instead of selling the PDFs at a retardedly low price so only cheap bastards would pirate it and you keep 100% of the profits
>You decide to cut all PDF distribution so they have to buy a goddamn book
Piracy exists thanks to these kind of people. Steam and gog are those companies that profit from selling at retardedly low prices.

>longetive
I don't believe that is a recognized word in English, although I caught your drift

This, PlayStation dominated the third world market because the ps were the most piracy friendly machines.

>that fag who keeps braging about how he pirates everything
>Uses utorrent and TPB

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>they know what they are doing is wrong
it's not tho

>they know what they are doing is wrong
>subscribing to legalism

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Here's her whole post
sindri42.tumblr.com/post/185987703812/thespectacularspider-girl-maggie-stiefvater
The issue is probably a little more complex than that, not everyone will want to spend money no matter how small the amount. You have people not even wanting to pay a dollar for content behind a patreon wall. You don't think people will pirate a pdf copy of a book?

you know there are games I have torrented that i've promoted the shit out of on Yea Forums cause they were so good.

I then bought games made by these devs.

>morally justify
>free copies of digital entertainment
what the fuck

$40 for 3 ancient roms where only 1 of them is legitimately good.

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>no-no its not wrong haha
Ok retard. A nigger comes into your house and steals your consoles and PC. It's not wrong right?

This fucking retard right here is why you get uppity pirates. 1+1=/=3, dipshit.

I've grown up in a society where entertainment is not only readily available everywhere you look, but actually flooding the market so fast that I have no real appreciation for it anymore. It's set up to where I can never run out of tedious crap to keep my mind stupid and occupied. So naturally I don't care about the individuals creating each piece of entertainment I consume, and have no intent on paying for every new toy I get to play with since I know the will be 10,000 more new toys asking for my attention tomorrow. In other words, fuck devs and fuck jannies. Gib me dat fo free.

This is retarded because it's not piracy either. Calling it piracy was retarded from the start. I'm not sailing the seven seas murdering and plundering when I "pirate" a game, fuck off.

Don't mind me, just ethically pirating this money.

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Nigger if you came to me and asked to borrow a dollar and told me you could make unlimited exact copies of it, I would not be morally offended. I would ask you to cut me in.

>piracy is theft
Yeah because when you take something it's totally still sitting there right?

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You lying to shopkeepers about the origin of your money, it's not the same.

good thing most people are better people than you then

Stupid analogy. That would be the equivalent to paying for a pirate game

reaching cope

I love when people make this argument since you know they've never actually learned a thing about economics in their life and all they know is what they've gleaned about supply and demand from the internet.

You are paying for the labor that went into the creation of the game and the skills of putting those 0s and 1s into that specific arrangement.

Don't mind me just performing the greatest heist of all time

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There's no need to justify it. Either do it or don't. If you're asking to weigh the positive versus negative effects, it arguably does not have huge negative effects for large productions by major studios/publishers. Look at The Witcher 3 for example. Available in an extremely easily pirateable DRM-free format from day one and it's sold 20 million copies to date.

Like it or not there are no real world equivalent acts to piracy.

>You are paying for the labor that went into the creation of the game and the skills of putting those 0s and 1s into that specific arrangement.
Which is exactly why I pirate most AAA shit.

Are you paying your dick before you fap?

There is though. except you slap it on a printer and make a copy.

>or being a good capitalist
found the space communism genderfluid queer

Then you hand it out for free to people who like the photo. Literally nothing wrong.

Money is a stupid concept

This, we should just go back to bartering.

And a bad thing that those who are not govern the world economy

Economy: Supply + Demand.
Supply of 0s and 1s is infinite, so the price should approach lim x->+inf (1/x)
Sorry, capitalists. Your own economic laws betrayed you.

based and infinitesimalpilled

redpilled, AAAs are run by greedy Jews and indies are full of commie trannies, to hell with both of em'

no, but i dont give a shit
free shit for me

They really aren't

There is literally no proof that piracy hurts or benefits sales. What is true, however, is that DRM practices ease the minds of shareholders because they are stupid. I personally pirate because I have a scarcity mindset and I personally couldn't give a fuck if the industry dies. 95% of the games I play are 10+ years old anyway.

Friendly reminder that piracy matters jack shit in the end. If you're not making profit, maybe your product is just shit.

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It is if you are going to buy a key from G2A.

This shit. Like that picture of the pirate vs the faget

the only time I'll pirate is when I wanna play a pc port of a game that I already own on console
not gonna buy the same game twice, fuck that

who the fuck reads pdfs of novels?