What is the best jrpg of this gen?

What is the best jrpg of this gen?

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SMT IV: Apocalypse

Coldsteel 4

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Xeno 2 was utter ass
DQ 11 was boring
Persona 5 was pretty good
Didn't play YS

Man JRPGS have never recovered from the late 2000's

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Cold Steel 6 announcement soon.

Tales of Berseria

Unironically Persona 5.

XC2 unironically

In terms of objective total quality
Id say DQXI
In terms of personal preference, XB2

Top tier tastes

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>Literally ruined an entire series
Nah.

fpbp

SMT V if it releases this gen

Did they fix the pc version of Ys VIII?
I dont want to buy the ps4 version.

XC2 definitely and Ive played all those. P5 is second

what's so bad about cold steel 4 without spoiling anything? I played sen 2 and figured it couldn't get much worse

>3 shit games
gee I wonder

HAHAHAHAHAH

All versions are fixed now
It took forever but yeah it’s good cheif

p5

This thread can only end in shitposts.

honestly, this

But user, the Cold Steel series was already ruined with the first game.

Xenoblade X

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It's definitely not worse than sen 2. It's disappointing that it repeated a lot of 2's flaws after how surprisingly good 3 was though

EO2U

Cold Steel 1 and Cold Steel 2 are mirrored exactly by Cold Steel 3 and Cold Steel 4.

You play Cold Steel 1 and think "Well it could have been worse. I'll play the next game to see what happens next" and then you're like "Why the fuck did I play the next game nothing fucking happened and anything that did happen ruined what happened in the previous game".

Objectively, Dragon Quest 11 is the most polished. Persona 5 would be there too if it didn't drag itself out 30 hours longer than it should have beend.

For me personally it's XC2. The game is a hot mess but there's a lot of love if you fight through the layer of shit.

Waiting on the Switch release to play DQXI but I liked Ys VIII the most out of those

DQ11 > P5 > FFXV > LIQUID SHIT > XENOCRINGE 2

DQ and Xenoblade 2 are the best RPGs, but very different from each other. I don't consider Ys an RPG, it's a very action heavy game
Persona is the better game overall, but it's a VN first and foremost

the kind of shit you read on here...

You could start by pointing out what you don't agree with

Dragon Quest XI is an uninspired rehash
Persona 5 falls apart after the second dungeon, and just uses the Seven Sins
Ys VIII is a mess of a PS vita game, the village element is tacked on and doesn't jell with island adventure having to return to fend off generic waves of enemies
Xenoblade 2 has a better story and thematic elements but has some problems.
Out of those four Xenoblade 2 is the best.

Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE

Don't bother replying.

>Not SMT 4 Vanilla
You were so close, my Mega-Ten bro

Official Ranks
1. P5
2. DQ11
3. Ys 8
4. Switchlett gayme

Gameplay wise, it just might be.
Story wise: Yikes!

how about
>persona is a VN because i don't like it
A game isn't a VN just because it has a lot of dialogue, persona has a fully fleshed out combat and gameplay system that you spend a significant portion of the game using. It isn't just dialogue and choices.

Morrowind
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Can't wait for Skyrim 2 also the Israeli Mossad were behind the 9/11 attacks watch War by Deception by Ryan Dawson

Reminder that you don't get to have an opinion if you haven't played all 4

BASED
>I too like the lazy use of seven deadly sins and poorly utilised demiurges, how did you tell?
Pathetic

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Persona 5. It's almost perfect.

This

Nothing can top this as the perfect final of a series

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I liked XC2 and Ys VIII
DQXI was ok
don't see the big deal with persona 5 desu

>drags on and on
>the enemies are the seven deadly sins
>another demiurge
>almost perfect
>b-b-but it has good music
Ok user

Did you read my post? I said it's the best game out of these 4. How the hell did you come to that conclusion? Megaten (including all of it's spinoffs) is my favorite franchise
And yes, I consider P3, P4 and P5 VNs first, you spend 80%+ of your playtime in the VN sections, unless you're struggling with the battle system because you've never played these games.

Xenoblade X, Shadows of Valentia, SMT IV, or Etrian Odyssey V

XBC2

Easily. Probably the best since P4 honestly.

DQXI, easily.
XB2 was my personal favorite but it's an reeaal rough diamond, and that's bring generous.

>I too like the lazy use of seven deadly sins and poorly utilised demiurges, how did you tell?
The deadly sins are such a minor part of P5 that I don't know why it offends you so much

2 > 1 > X

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Ys ysily

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This is like the third time you have brought up the seven deadly sins this thread, why are you so hung up on that, it's hardly even brought up in the game, just in the calling cards and as Satanael's skill but that's it, it's literally so minor that I don't know why you're acting so autistic about it.

>Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE

that was last gen

>The deadly sins are such a minor part of P5
>every boss up to and including the final boss
???

Is Xenoblade 2 that good? I got a Switch last week, the first big Jrpg I want to play is Dragon Quest XI S. I have watched some videos of XBC2 and it looks like a massive weeaboo thing with meme UI, even though I really like jrpgs and big tits, but for some reason this game didn't pass my filter for jrpgs

Didn't play YS, of the rest Xenoblade 2.

>it's hardly even brought up in the game
>the bosses and story are hardly brought up
How can you say its nearly perfect then?

I would say it's like 60%VN.
If you want to speed through the vn stuff you can just like you can speed through the combat sections.

Both Wii U and Switch are part of the same gen

I'm convinced you haven't played it, it's a thing in the final boss sequence but that's it. Its relation to the other bosses is literally just in their calling cards, it's not a major part of their characters

I own it on PS4 its just drags on
>it's a thing in the final boss sequence
You are a retard, did you miss every boss and EVERY dungeon?

If you don't hate anime styled characters and you like JRPGs Xenoblade 2 is a great game. It's my favorite game on the console at the moment.

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Xenoblade 2 is shit with some decent grills but the game does have some cool world design. It could have been great if they were willing to think about the genre's flaws like BotW did with Zelda and if they weren't too busy working on Zelda as well. It's a bad game but I even before I knew about them working on BotW I came away with an impression of a talented dev team despite how the game turned out.
Dairy Queen is a generic fast food restaurant with ice cream. You are better off just going to an ice cream parlour or stop pretending to be Japanese.
The best JRPG on Switch is Seiken Densetsu, Berseria, or probably Fire Emblem once it comes out.

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The first entire half of the game is pretty much weebcringe but the second half actually becomes pretty fucking JRPGkino.

I'm saying the characters came first, the sins are at like a distant 34th with how they did the characters, they had to literally grasp at straws for them, it's not a big part of the game, they aren't themed after sins, the sins were applied to them after the fact

this was a pretty good post until you said berseria is the best of anything

Why are you so triggered by the seven deadly sins?

It's a great JRPG that suffers from serious QoL decisions because

A. 60% of the team was working on Breath of the Wild
B. Takahashi outright admitted the UI team lost several key members during development

>with meme UI
Everything in the UI is useful for battle, it's actually very slick and removing anything outside of the attack descriptions (which you can disable anyway) would just be detrimental. Also unlike Xenoblade X they actually made everything pop out in a way that makes it still clear what the fuck you're doing even in handheld mode, because Xenoblade X's font was small even on TV and literally unreadable on the gamepad and I still to this day have a hard time determining what buffs and debuffs are currently applied on my party and enemies, a problem that never arose in 2.

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It's probably the best Xeno game, if you liked any previous game from the studio this is a safe bet.

Woah apocalypse over deep strange journey? You sure?

>Have to be Japanese to enjoy DQ
What a waste of a post

Literally hundred of hours of shit to do in it after you facotr in all the sidequests, and the game introduces you to the pieces of UI bit by bit, so you don't have to worry about learning it all at once.

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the UI is like that because there are a ton of mechanics at play. Take that as your recommendation/warning

When used to lazily? Its just sad and low effort and makes it hard to believe the story is "perfect"

ys 8 was my favorite. dragon quest 11 was boring, persona 5 was too much text and plot pacing disaster, and xenoblade 2 had atrocious combat with dumb gacha mechanics in a single player game. the only bad part about ys 8 was the translation.

Dragon Quest 11
Rance X
Xenoblade 2

Ys 8 was a disappointment
Lolpersona

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Yeah, it's that good and also has a lot of content. Also the DLC is Godtier.

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The combat takes quite a while to make sense. Even then, you're not likely to understand all the systems unless you look it up on the internet. I'm on chapter 5, and I still don't understand what's going on with the orbs. There was a tutorial for it way too early in the game
Other than that, it's great. All the different areas you visit are amazing, the layers on the world design keep surprising me. This is something BotW was missing and I hope the sequel improves it

It feels longer for me, but I enjoy it and take my time. I have the combat 100% figured out already, and while it's fun the dungeons feel like a chore. That's why I spend as little time as possible there

I did not know about that white orbs thing

Of those games Xenoblade 2 is easily the one with the best combat system.

But it's hardly a part of the story, like you're acting as if it's the backbone of the whole game but it's really really minor

how is rance X?
is there a good translation?

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You have never played a Xeno game before? HAhahaha, what a pleb.

Yeah, that's quite useful, I learned that info from that picture too.

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and you what a retard

You can literally beat most fights without pressing buttons.

picked up by mangagamer instead of JAST so it will eventually release at least

Btw, how do you break the orbs? I thought you needed to hit the enemy with the same element as the orb during the chain, but sometimes I see it just stays there

One of those in that screenshot.

Fun fact: the pulsating element at the center of your arts indicates the optimal distance between you and your enemy for the weapon you're currently using.

You can either do that or mash a single button in most rpgs if you want to play suboptimally and have fights last twice as long as they should.

Based
If remasters count then DeSu Overclocked would easily take DSJ's place

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A retard that has enjoy the fuck out Takahashi's works. You should play them all.

You literally can't.

You have to perform a Chain Attack to break them.

>Btw, how do you break the orbs? I thought you needed to hit the enemy with the same element as the orb during the chain, but sometimes I see it just stays there
Each orb has 3 hp, during a chain attack each special does 1 damage and is done to a random orb, specials of the opposite element of an orb target that specific orb and deal 2 damage.

This is simply not true. The AI party members attack, but they don't use specials. Enemies have massive HP, even fighting a random mob around your level takes a while, there's no way you can autopilot unless you're like 20+ levels higher or with optimized setups

TitS was never good and Cold Steel was rancid shit from the word start

You know seeing this image and thinking I know what they're all about made me realize how many JRPGs I've played this generation, a lot more compared to the last two ones at least, so I guess this wasn't a bad generation at all.

I mean you could beat the game easily using only the triggers and the start button, which is close enough to me

Yeah, but let's say there's a water orb, I use dromarch's special and the orb stays there, sometimes I use two water specials in a row and it doesn't break. Other times a different element seems to break it, it feels random
Though it would make senss if the game only checks if it's broken after the first round of specials. Maybe that's what happens and I haven't noticed it

Good on you OP for including Ys 8, I think it's vastly underrated. Guess it doesn't help that its initial release was on Vita.

Don't post Pyra when talking Xenoblade it triggers some xautists.

Keep posting Pyra.

Nier Automata doesn't count?

There are also 2 Aux cores that you can equip to your blades that help you break cores, there's one that makes it so you always target the most damaged orb and one that makes you do 3 damage to the opposite element. I like to have one Blade in my support with one or both of those and have they go last, that way I can guarantee that I can break an orb during every round of a chain attack.

>twice as long
I have a hard time believing anyone could beat both boss fights at the end of chapter 6 and at the Cliffs of Morytha at all with nothing but auto-attacks, if they're level-appropriate and didn't overgrind to level 99 or something stupid like that, and even then getting to level 99 and only auto-attacking might allow you to live through the fights but will probably have fights lasting WAY more than twice as long than if you used arts/combos/chain attacks.

Oh, I see. So a chain attack will always go to the second round if there's only one orb. I'll check an element chart the next time I play

OP included ARPGs by having Ys VIII as an option, so I'd say it does

You use Fire special to break 2/3 Water Orb. If no water orb, it deals 1 damage to a random orb.

>Best gameplay
Ys 8

>Great all around
Dragon Quest 11

>best narrative
Xenoblade 2

>At least you tried
Persona 5

Please refrain from posting any more hoyboys. This is a jRPG thread.

Dahlia and some common Blades also have a skill that allows their special to damage three orbs at once, the one they're attacking and the ones to its left and right.

Of those four games, purely in terms of aesthetics, it's Persona 5, without a doubt. It's probably also best of the decade for any genre.

But in terms of pure gameplay, Ys 8 has it. Playing the game on Nightmare blind was such an incredible experience, very challenging but also very fair and fun. I never played an Ys game prior to that, but it made me seek out Ys 7 and Ys Memories of Celceta, and I also had just as much fun playing those. For me, Ys is like the ideal action JRPG combat. It's the kind of combat I wish Tales games had.

Who the fuck PLAYS games for "aesthetics"?

I agree, v/ro. It is the best classic myth ever.

>Oh, I see. So a chain attack will always go to the second round if there's only one orb.
Yeah, every round you manage to break an orb gives you an extra round, if you break more than one orb in a single round you only get one round. The opposite elements from the chart are very intuitive to remember, except for wind vs ice.

Xenoblade spoiled me
youtube.com/watch?v=EBn3wjEaRyc

Me.

>except for wind vs ice.
Unless you've ever played Pokémon.

>It's the kind of combat I wish Tales games had
why would you want that? tales' combat is what sets it apart from other action rpgs

>Is Xenoblade 2 that good?

It's incredible. It's unironically the best JRPG since the PS2 era, or possibly since XBC1 for those that prefer that. And this is coning from someone who owns a PS4 and has 100%'d Persona5. Persona 5 was my GOTY until I played XBC2.

But I wouldn't recommend it to everyone the way I would P5 or DQ. It's a little more niche and asks/expects you to treat it like one of those old 200hr JRPGs, nothing is rushed, and there's plenty of things that could be streamlined that just aren't.

It expects you to immerse yourself in the world and to properly play/explore the game.

The combat system is incredible and evolves throughout the game, getting deeper and more involved as you go. The characters are great, it's a tight small cast and they're all likeable. The world is fantastic and the music is top notch.

If you can handle some shounen style storytelling, you'll love it.

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What did they try though?

Thanks user, you made my life a lot easier now.
I never made the connection from wind to flying.

>The best JRPG on Switch is Seiken Densetsu, Berseria, or probably Fire Emblem once it comes out.
I'm guessing you mean Vesperia, Berseria isn't on the switch.

Of these I'll go with Xenoblade Chronicles 2. I haven't played Persona 5 and played the other 3, but why does it seem that Persona 5 is so reviled in Yea Forums?

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It's the most popular.

XC2 doesnt hold up in the character, story or gameplay department, but it has good music

Persona 5 has good gameplay, visuals and music, but a shitty story

DQ11 has good story, characters and visuals, but has poor gameplay

Ys has average everything

I'd say Persona 5 is overall the best experience out of the bunch

Oh, so I guess it's Yea Forums just being contrarian, gotcha.

>DQ11 has good characters
>But XC2 doesn't

Dude what. Maybe it's just my preference. I'll take even a young loudmouth bloke MC like Rex over a silent protagonist. I hate silent protagonists in an RPG.

>I hate silent protagonists in an RPG.

Holy fucking BASED.

I am so goddamn over silent protagonists. It's obnoxious and it's insane to me that people still want them or enjoy them.

It's one of the stupidest things about the Persona games, your supposed MC never actually feels like a leader since the one doing all the leading is your teammate.

As somebody who preferred XC2 over DQ11 I'll say that not all silent protagonists are bad.

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Only DQ11 and XB2 were any good
Ys 8 was disappointing as a Falcom fan.
Persona's never been good. Or at least the Personas I've played (3, 4 and 5).

Xenoblade 2's cast is pretty strong, everyone has an arc or part of an arc in the story and gets good development.

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I've played and 100%d P5. I loved it and I'll happily talk to people about it. But there's some large flaws in it, and I liked XBC2 much more than it.

When people say the game drops off a cliff after the first Palace, they're only exaggerating a little. "The closer we get to the Treasure, the more distorted the Palace becomes!"

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>Ys 8 was disappointing as a Falcom fan.
I'm worried about the current state of Falcom, their last good game was in 2011.

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What don't you like about Persona?

4 and 5 are both aping 3 to the point it's embarrassing. It was fine in 4, but when you're playing 5 and seeing the same beats YET AGAIN, it's crazy. Even the ending, exactly the same all three times.

>Ys 8 was disappointing as a Falcom fan.
What didn't you like about it? Was it the setting? Ys VIII was my first Ys and I enjoyed my time with it.

Oh.

Gotta make those Haha... bucks, shame its corrupting xanadu and ys

More gigantic Nia.

P4 had at least a bit of a mix up by replacing Tartarus with a bunch of different dungeons that had a different pacing. P5 just uses the same system again except it has Tartarus as well for some reason

So what I'm getting from this thread
>DQXI is boring
>YS8 is disappointing
>A lot of hate for Persona 5 and Xenoblade 2

Have all the jrpg franchises gone to shit or is this just contrarianism?

>Yea Forums
What do you think?

Many people got tricked into playing DQXI on the default baby mode made for Final Fantasy players and didnt get to experience it the way it was meant to be played

A bit of both with an extra dose of the latter?

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every time rex mentioned the salvagers code a part of me wished he was a silent protagonist desu

It means people have different taste
>Enjoy DQ and P5
>Got bored of X2 (might comeback later)
>Didn't play YS8

Nah, those were his best moments.

Llyod did it better

How was it meant to be played? It's on my to play list, and I wasn't aware there was different modes.

Easily Xenoblade Chronicles 2.

Go away Nia.

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Literally the best moments in the game.

Octopath is a better JRPG than half that list, and YS is an action-rpg.
Xenoblade 2 is the best of your pic I guess, but X was better.

Salvagers Code 69: When grouped with Poppi, take off her toppi!

Man I'm shit at DeSu

DQXI is the best turn based.
Ys VIII is the best ARPG.
P5 was disappointing and boring, I think i'm done with the Persona formula.
Xenoblade 2 is the worst JRPG I've played this gen and I played Metal Max Xeno which was complete trash. I just hated everything about the game.

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The standard difficulty setting for XI is far below the normal dragon quest fare, The Draconian Hard Monsters setting bumps it up higher than most other DQ games but it is much preferable to the alternative since the gameplay is the bedrock of these games and not the plot

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Xenoblade 2 is like a monkey's paw
>Man, I don't like Xenoblade, I wish Xeno games could go back to the crazy world building and out-there plots of Xenogears and Xenosaga
>"here's your old-school Xeno story and worldbuilding, bro. But it's also a shonen RPG with a waifu gacha."

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probably muh dark souls of felghana zoomers who play on normal mode and watched MaZe no hit a boss in a webm

my biggest issue is the combat, there are all these options and complex shit but 90% of the combat is waiting for your combo meters to fill and pressing triggers against enemies that can not kill you unless they get to half health which you combo nuke before they reach

Rex's last Salvager's Code line is literally the best line in the game. And he says it to God's face and makes God smile for the first time in tens of thousands of years.

Ys 8 and it's the only one of those 4 I haven't played.

Not bait, I guess the music was decent. Honestly had more fun playing awful Gust shovelware too.

>tens of thousands of years
If not longer.

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Xenoblade is on a next-gen console, though.

no, it's pure cringe and not the tales kind
it's like watching a youtube cosplay played out in cutscenes with every shounen anime unironically played out straight

the story gets kinda interesting by the end but nothing can salvage the characters, battle system. open world and general game design

That seems like a tremendous oversimplifications of the game's mechanics.

>battle system. open world and general game design
On those sides, Xenoblade 2 completely dominate 99% of RPGs, East and West, on the modern market. I don't think it needs to be salvaged.

>with every shounen anime unironically played out straight
Subverted, actually. Xenoblade 1 is the one that plays shounen anime straight.
Xenoblade 2's written in a way that Rex acts like a shounen protagonist but doesn't have the strength to justify his words and ends up unintentionally getting people hurt by acting more heroic than he actually is and jobbing for 80% of the game.

>nothing can salvage the characters, battle system. open world and general game design
Xenoblade 2 probably surpasses most other JRPGs in all those aspects, hand downs all "modern" JRPGs.

none of the other mechanics matter, the only thing that does is being able to nuke enemies once they enter their rage stances

You need to complete Blade combos for that, and to get enough special or speed the process up you need to perform arts, cancels and driver combos.

Xenoblade 2 fanboys sure are a sight to behold. Reminds me how batshit insane isekai nutjobs are.

I'm waiting for DQXIS because I knew Square was going to pull that shit. Xenoblade 2 and P5 are very close ties to me, but I think I have to give it to Xenoblade 2 since I walked away from that game fully satisfied even without Torna while P5 just made me want P5R to see the complete experience.

Consider that, Shulk became god, Rex was lucky that the circumstances led him into a godly weapon.

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I mentioned the blade combos and there is no reason to even touch the face buttons speed up the process since the vast majority of enemies and boss can not out DPS your healing until they get their rage buffs

KH3 > DQXI > Octopath > Berseria > Torna > XC2 > the rest >>>>>> Persona 5

Ad hominems are not arguments.

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>Octopath being above anything

That's a generalization that may only be true if you restrict it to story content only and if you don't limit the level of your party to what you would normally have so you can win the fight with 2 AI controlled party members. Still it would be quite inefficient and the fights will take much longer than expected, specially because it's very hard to complete the 3 stages of Blade combos using only the 2 AI controlled party members.

Those top two are good. Those trash games on the bottom are awful. Once the special edition of XI comes out it wins best of the gen

Is there fanart of Poppi actually punching Rex? Fucker probably would've been in orbit(and dead) had she done that.

>DQ 11 was boring

Nigga what? That shit was engaging the whole way through.

Why does this seems to look and run better than on my TV? Is there any setting I'm missing when I play on dock mode?

>t. seething P5cuck

>P5
how do you live with yourself actually thinking that pile of trash is good?

Of the ones I played this gen (which is mostly PS4 games) from best to worst
DQ11
World of FF
Persona 5
KH3
Death End re:Quest
Neptuina VII/VII-R
4 Goddesses Online
Metal Max Xeno
FFXV (so shit I never went back to it, even after free updates OR any DLCs)

At least it even had a story to tell... Literally what is good about Octopath besides its soundtrack?

V was worse than both of the untold games and only slightly better/ on par with nexus

was the new Metal Max really that bad?

Oda Non's art is the only good thing about it.