>game has hundreds of characters
>people only give a shit about one of them
Game has hundreds of characters
The penis makes it better.
Fapping to traps makes you straight.
Deon is better
That is a GIRL.
>>people only give a shit about one of them
Definitely not shitstolfo.
Did anybody ever wondered why 'trap/femboy fetish' is so popular here, and dare I say, most of the internet?
because the meme originated from here
Everyone’s on the kinsey scale
But don't you want to be the flashiest in gymnastics? This doesn't make sense.
Honestly the Buck Angel argument isn't entirely wrong
>franchise full of best girls
>best of them all gets fuckall
Its a strawman
what does kuro taste like
>TM
>ever doing anything good
hershey kisses
literally wrong in this implication
Truth bomb:
If you're a man that likes feminine men, such as traps, femboys, twinks, you're homosexual.
A man that desires another man, is indeed a homosexual, no matter if one wears and looks like a woman.
Being homosexual for a trap is completely fine as long you retain your masculinity.
Being homosexual is okay as long you're manly and not a flaming faggot.
Being attracted to a trap is 'somewhat' okay since the trap, while being a male, a man, posses as feminine beings, and given masculine and feminine attract eachother, it's bound to happen, regardless if both are male.
Desiring traps is more acceptable than desiring a transexual, for a trap does not has gender dysphoria, is not an emotional trainwreck, like a tranny. Also traps are blessed with natural beauty and good genes, unlike traps.
Sex at the end of the day, is a power play. The feeling of sexual domination over a woman is why most normal people enjoy and get aroused by sex, but woman's natural state is submissive. A man that relinquishes his manhood to devote himself to look like a woman just for you is thus the most absolute feeling of conquest you can have.
That's why I enjoy this shit. I have no idea how to explain the reverse or shit like femdom, I'm not that much of a faggot.
But it's not wrong.
>people only give a shit about one of them
It's a strawman and thus not a valid argument
This.
The greeks had a similar philosophy and it makes complete sense.
That's cool, you're still not straight though.
That was never argued or brought up, weirdo.
I know. I'm okay with it.
Give me that bussy to pound every night.
Best post on Yea Forums right now.
You sure like to tell people how to live their lives. You sure you're secure about your sexuality?
>look like a woman
LOL
good joke m8
t. closetfag
Yeah, I just like to tell the truth as it is.
To feel even more heterosexual you need to dominate some Arnold Schwarzenegger looking dude.
Narcissism and sadomasochism sums up most of it.
A crossdresser isn't a trap. The key important characteristic of a trap is that they pass well enough that they trick people into thinking they're a chick. If they're obviously a dude in drag, they aren't a trap.
And?
Looks better than most disgusting roasties.
You're gay. Full stop.
Yeah I saw that image too user.
>The key important characteristic of a trap is that they pass well enough that they trick people into thinking they're a chick
And thats why 3D traps don't exist. If you like any kind of 3D male then you're just gay.
When you're unironically a Chad in real life and you literally dont care what soisbois think
Pic not related?
You'd think it'd be easier to burn if it was a strawman then.
Chad's don't have to date boys in skirts because they can actually get girls, unlike you or any of the other trapfags here.
And? Would you rather have sex with a man that looks like a 6/10 woman or a hambeast that looks like a fat guy?
How?
Pic related
Pretty much. Faggots love to complain about how traps are always "Draw a girl, call it a boy" but that's pretty much the key essence of what a trap is; it's always been that and has always had a different quality to it than just "obvious twink in a dress".
That's not Tamomo
>a man that looks like a 6/10 woman
If you think that is a "6/10 woman" then you must never leave your mother's basement.
That looks literally nothing like a girl, it's just a fat dude in a skirt.
pic sort of related
gaymers rise up
>you have been blocked from po-
So much for that, janny
>3DPD
I've seen posts like this for decades now, the fact you dumb incels think you're fooling anyone by hating on average looking women like you're even attractive enough to get that is genuinely astounding. That WOMAN looks like a 6/10, easily. Pretty sure transphobia is a hate crime, enjoy getting thrown in jail when Trump loses in 2020.
>That WOMAN
>straight males aren't attracted to dicks
But this is empirically false.
does fate/stay night have a good story?
No it isnt, cope.
They should at least be voice acted by a male, Astolfo is not.
Yes
The jannies are just afraid of coming to terms with their sexuality.
That doujin is amazing, in fact all of the ones that author made are
They've done studies that show that straight men's eyes are more drawn to dicks, they search for dicks more often online, and they experience arousal when exposed to dicks.
The things I'd do to his ass have no name.
Except they weren't faggots like you.
>inb4 hurr this faggot wrote in a book that Greeks were gay so that mean is right durr
>the romans didn't think it was gay
I'm sorry?did the romans actually had traps or something? I'm confuse
>They've done studies
LOL
source: your semen-filled asshole
There are numerous, NUMEROUS historical recordings of what their society considered 'straight' men having anal sex with other men for recreational purposes.
Romans thought that sticking your dick in another man's ass isn't gay, but getting fucked in the ass was super gay.
I'm not wrong, tho.
lol
Best doujin cover or best doujin cover
exhentai.org
People also used to shit in outhouses with no plumbing.
Old shit died out for a reason, it isn't valid anymore. Get over it.
how is it gay if it looks like a girl
Most traps that you see on the internet are over 17. Romans didn't care about age of consent, so they got boys even younger and less ravaged by testosterone
Eh, any route that isn't Fate.
the hands look pretty normal
If you're anything to go by 'old shit' is clearly alive and well lmao.
Because it doesn't.
Penis
What these idiots don't realize is its not gay if the balls don't touch
Romans did have plumbing artard
Heavens Feel and Unlimited Blade works are pretty good.
You're gay. Full stop.
based
Yes. Fate and Type Moon has always had otaku and waifu pandering, but that doesn't mean the original VN were bad. It's just that FGO is gachashit and exploits all the retards that are into it. If you are interested in the VN then go ahead and try it, otherwise just fap to the doujins or whatever. Stay away from FGO
More Jack
those are not the hips of a boy
they're called traps because they're mistaken for girls
And? Yet again, why does homosexuality upset you so much?
Certain chapters in FGO are good, but only like 3.
>B-But straight men aren't attracted to penises!!
So? There are plenty straight men who aren't attracted to stuff like feet, bellybuttons, or backs of the knee. Doesn't mean they're gay. It's just another body part on someone that looks pretty much like a woman, making it straight.
Are you sure about that?
>asstolfo
>not the lancer pendragons
>not raikou
>not any one of the curvalicious sexpots
>but the male(male) is what you're claiming people give a shit about.
I feel like the top should at least be like a cartwheel or something. Straightforward, simple gymnastics to imply the top is sensible.
If the person is just walking, it seems like the top argument is lazy or wrong.
Thicc or fat?
My dick cannot tell.
I miss soulful Takeuchi
Do I need to have finished 5th Singularity to get Nightingale on the rate up she'll have in a few days?
It doesnt, I just like watching closetfags like seethe because they know I'm right but are too insecure to admit it.
Not at all.
Someone asked for best girl?
>Being homosexual for a trap is completely fine as long you retain your masculinity.
I don't think you understand what a trap is.
Absolutely
COPE
O
P
E
Fair enough, I can dig it.
>Certain chapters in FGO are good, but only like 3
They aren't and will never be since they're stuck in a gacha format. Even then they're decent at best considering how shit all the other chapters are.
Nope as long as someone is on rate up you're always able to summon them no matter what
Okay.
Based Okita. I want her to cough all over me
The only thing gayer than jerking to traps is paying for Gacha games.
This is her official figure
Camelot, Babylonia and Solomon were all written by Nasu and were pretty good as much as you would like to meme about it.
>They are written fine, but they also aren't written fine becuase they're in a gatcha
That's not how that works.
Thanks, bros
homosexual
/ˌhɒmə(ʊ)ˈsɛkʃʊəl,ˌhəʊmə(ʊ)ˈsɛkʃʊəl/
adjective
1.
sexually attracted to people of one's own sex.
noun
I'm attracted to women, regardless of how they were born. Dumb brainlet.
>bending your fingers is fucked up
>people only give a shit about one of them
Actually there are two
We all want that
>I'm attracted to women
You aren't. The presence of a penis means it's not a woman. I don't care about your mental gymnastics trying to justify it. You aren't straight.
Does a woman stop being a woman when you put a penis inside her? What if she gets a penis transplanted onto her?
>a woman is only her vagina
based retard
>This is her official figure
And I'm forever grateful for its creation.
WHAT NOW TRAP HATERS. Science says against you.
I love how this still gets replies so many years after, it's so easy to bait trapfags lmao
>They are written fine, but they also aren't written fine becuase they're in a gatcha
Who are you quoting? Writing in gacha will always be flawed by definition since they have to look for excuses to force you into combat and you'll always be stuck with very limited art and resources.
You're gay, cope.
I'm bi i don't care
It's weird how they thought this was ok for a little girl.
That's the thing, the 3 I said have lots of points were they just said fuck combat and just had writing. Whole large parts of the chapter with no fighting at all. Really shows how much you know what you're talking about.
>2 replies
>so many
retard
Fat ass loli
I wish they weren't stuck in a shitty gacha game, they deserve much more. Also summer Okita when?
t. seething trapfag
>calls anyone a retard
>can't read
hahahahaha
Someday they'll get a spinoff, an anime, or we'll get translations of koha ace
Summer okita this year on JP
Dumb ESL shitter.
cringe
fuck off illiterate dumbass.
>draw a girl
>make chest flat
>call it a boy
GRORRIOUS NIPPON ANIMATSERU
>woman
Cute murderer
Nah. Plato even said it was looked down upon and when the relationship gets sexual it loses all purity since the mentor/apprentice relationship was held in high regard
>be attracted to girl
>this makes you gay somehow
Thanks for proving traps aren't gay
Kys
bi sexual master race.
If you were straight you would only fap to females with vaginas. You seek out trap porn because you like the dick and you're gay.
Or maybe some of us are attracted to idea of dominating a man who went out of their way to become a woman, I mean that's dedication, most roasties seem to be upset they were born women and cry about it every single chance they get, meanwhile based trans women more often than not become social pariahs just to live their lives the way they want, that seems like the kind of woman I wanna fuck.
No dude. You just fucking suck at getting women so you have to settle for easier pickings. Your not alpha. Your beta. If the feeling of conquering is what gets you off. Then conquering yourself should be the greatest pleasure. That's literally what the Greeks believed. The relationship between man and boy was one where the man would pass down his life experience and knowledge to the boy. The boy would learn from these to better himself and the man would learn humility and open mindness as the new generation surpasses his achievements. This is a sense of accomplishment and the older man can rest knowing he will live forever through the knowledge he has passed on.
You're not welcome here anymore, either go back to /pol/ or find a new site.
>Or maybe some of us are attracted to idea of dominating a man
Gay.
>That's the thing, the 3 I said have lots of points were they just said fuck combat and just had writing. Whole large parts of the chapter with no fighting at all.
While it's true that focusing more on the writing really helped those chapters, that does not necessarily make them good. Both Camelot and Babylonia are still a slog to read through with asspulls, retarded MC, pointless side characters and overall not worth it for the two or three good moments they have.
>Really shows how much you know what you're talking about
Whatever makes you feel better
>a man who went out of their way to become a woman,
Bigots need to work on their reading comprehension.
>Your
>picture of a girl
>I can't fap to this!
>trace it and make it a "boy"
>DIAMONDS, here we go, totally not gay now that I can pretend the ass belongs to a male.
Kys
anyone got the post copypasta about sexuality and how jerking off alone in a dark room had nothing to do with it?
Still a man, and thus still gay.
>picture of a girl
>DIAMONDS, here we go, totally not gay
>trace it and make it a "boy"
>DIAMONDS, here we go, totally not gay
This is more like it.
>grammar nazing on fucking Yea Forums
Go the fuck back and stay back. Cretin
You're literally so much of a homophobe that you're trying to deny being bisexual because you think it's bad. You do not have any room to call someone a bigot. You're a bigot and a homophobe.
If you can be swayed by random, anonymous Yea Forums posters into becoming trans you were clearly always meant to be trans, don't act so mad.
>nailing fags
>easier pickings
lmao. theres more fat women then there is gay people. getting a woman is vastly, VASTLY easier.
literally anywhere you go, for every 1 gay man there is, theres gonna be 25 landwhales.
You wouldn't have any problem getting fucked by a FtM convert then? Neat.
dem abs
How will Albert censor her?
I don't find masculinity attractive, I'm not bisexual, bisexuality is fine, it doesn't play a part in being attracted to mtf trans people though, you'd know this if you weren't an obvious /pol/ baby trying to make out you understand something you clearly don't.
Did you get him fellow fujos?
Cope harder. You can literally go on grindr and bang a twink in an hour
>I'm not bisexual
Yes you are. You like females and males, that's called being bisexual. Quit trying to redefine words.
Correct, a man that for all intents and purposes looks like a woman makes you gay if you feel any kind of attraction to him.
A woman that for all intents and purposes looks like a man does not make you gay if you feel any attraction to her.
Camelot, Babylonia, and Solomon are all shit.
I just want english image board
Kys trapfag weebs and trannies.
Why do you trapfags always put words in people's mouths? Is that the only way you can win an argument?
You are honestly trying to argue people who are born men and that have chosen to become women are still somehow men, respect their decision to become women. God knows everyone else is respecting your decision to be a low effort brainlet.
I 10-rolled for him 5 times and got nothing. Fuck it.
Okay Yea Forums, I am about to present you with a never before seen thought-provoking question that will dominate academia for the coming centuries:
What does it matter if it's gay or not?
Good.
Traps are the gayest thing you can fap to.
>You are honestly trying to argue people who are born men and that have chosen to become women are still somehow men,
Yep, correct.
It doesn't, only teenagers or mentally deficient adults care.
It's completely wrong. There is not a single gay man on earth who would fuck Buck Angel. They find her to be completely and utterly disgusting. So if you were straight, you would never ever be attracted to a boy in drag.
Obviously it does matter, otherwise trapfags wouldn't get all butthurt and defensive about it. The gay accusations clearly bother them a lot, for some reason.
And you're wrong, I suggest you come to terms with that now or you're going to have to live your life as a social outcast that no one at all agrees with.
Traps are not women. They don't even want to be women. They like being male and they crossdress because they know males are sexy.
Oh yeah, they sure are the ones making this kind of things
The Romans knew that fucking another man is extremely gay. They just didn't care whether or not they were gay because they weren't brainwashed retards like you are.
I'm not wrong, men playing dress up aren't women. You're just a beta who can't get any girls.
>r63 is gay
absolutely based post
are you retarded?
I mean completely ignoring that 'trap' is an agreed upon slur, that is completely irrelevant, if you're attracted to idea of having sex with something that looks like a woman, you're straight.
Imagine actually using the term trap for 3D or thinking of 3D when people mention traps.
I forgot how much expression his mid2000s shit had
He's right. Men are men and women are women. Nothing can change that, no matter how you dress or wear your hair. I'm saying this as a trap who faps to traps. You cannot change your sex or gender. All trannies ever accomplish is self mutilation.
>Female on trap is gay
It's obnoxious af
en.wikipedia.org
> Roman society was patriarchal, and the freeborn male citizen possessed political liberty (libertas) and the right to rule both himself and his household (familia). "Virtue" (virtus) was seen as an active quality through which a man (vir) defined himself. The conquest mentality and "cult of virility" shaped same-sex relations. Roman men were free to enjoy sex with other males without a perceived loss of masculinity or social status, as long as they took the dominant or penetrative role.
>something that looks like a woman,
It doesn't. None of these freaks even remotely look like women.
Nope. Traps are men, and they don't even look like women. If you like traps, you're gay as fuck.
What is? Why does it matter if it's gay?
This
Astolfo is not even popular. He's 153th of 250 in the latest Type Moon popularity poll.
I'm in a relationship with a woman, who yes, was born a woman.
Trans people are becoming more prominent year after year, and those who have been trans for decades now are finally getting the recognition they deserve for years of systematic and casual abuse for a choice that, just like conventional homosexuality was not their choice to make.
When you grow older you might develop some apathy and realise marginalising a sizable group of the worlds population because you aren't interested in educating yourself on a pretty straightforward subject is pretty stupid and you might just realise what a naive person you were.
cope
And nowhere does it say that they didn't realize it was homosexual. They were fully aware it was homosexual. They just didn't have a cultural taboo regarding homosexuality. Their only taboos were about submissiveness/dominance. To them, it was submissive to go down on a woman. That doesn't mean they didn't realize that eating a woman out is straight, it means they saw it as weak. How do illiterate fucks like you even function in life, honestly?
>Why does it matter if it's gay?
Because closet gays like get all butthurt when someone tells them it's gay. And the butthurt is fucking hilarious
A shame really.
no, you want a formal image board. its always surprising how grammzer nazis turn out to be grammer plebs and are not aware of what the difference is between formal and informal settings.
>agreed upon slur
first kek of the thread, i knew the scroll was worth it.
cope
>they don't look like women
But looks like a woman to me user. Surely you're not using the term trap to refer to trannies right?
Trap isn't a slur, and if you're attracted to anyone who is male you're not straight. At all.
that's a woman retard
He won't have the balls.
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
That's right. I only care about Saber.
The one on the right is a boy retard.
>Passable traps are easier pickings
What the fuck am I reading.
It's hilarious, it always comes down to attractiveness levels with you idiots. The woman in that picture looks like an average woman, if you hadn't posted a shit picture of them and explicitly told me they were trans I likely never would have known they were.
When you actually meet a trans person, in real life your opinions might change on the subject, having met many it's not as obvious as your idiotic livestream screencaps make it out to be.
You're wrong about everything you posted. Trannies aren't becoming more prominent because they're getting "deserved recognition", and becoming a tranny is not some poor condition they have to put up with. Becoming a tranny is just a thing that weak, closeted losers do because it gets them free attention.That's why it's turning into a stupid fad. It's not a legitimate lifestyle or orientation. It's just a delusion. Being gay is fine, crossdressing is fine, but trannies are absolute subhuman scum who try trick people into treating them better by pretending to be women. That's all it is.
it's a fucking drawing
I hate the way this artist draws Astolfo's face. It's so freakishly off model.
Nigger were you here april fools? If that's how all faggots act then all should fuck off
What was Abby?
>actually discussing 3D
Yea Forums is normalfag central now is it?
glaad.org
Society makes the rules, you don't. Learn to use Google.
>The woman in that picture looks like an average woman
He's a 2/10 at most. Certainly not "average"
>fucking a male with a vagina is not gay
No one says this.
Yeah, what are you. Autistic? You see how many hookups are in /soc/ or here?
Sneaky isn't that bad. He passes compared to the goblinas and ogras I see day to day.
That's not a trap. This is a trap. Trap means twink body, cute face, girly clothes. A futa with a flat chest cannot be a trap.
>You have a cute dick user~
April Fools was fun
You can't argue if shit is gay or not if it's not real life shit you mongoloid
>Passable
Human brains are imperfect lumps of meat that seek pleasurable chemicals through any means, we are degenerate and removed from society so we don’t shy away from the negative social consequences of abnormal tastes, allowing us to bask in the pleasure any way we choose
Replace the words 'tranny' in your post with the word 'gay' and realise just what a fucking caveman you are.
Trap's also have to be fully male. Likewise, reverse traps have to be fully female.
>that bulge
I'm straight but GOD I WANT TO SUCK IT
>No one posts Rin
Makes me sick mother fucker how far we done fell
Reality decides the rules, actually. And reality dictates that trannies are just attention seeking scum who mutilate themselves and make the world worse for everyone around them.
He doesn't pass at all. He's a fucking fat need in a skirt.
dilate
Astolfo is for old men.
Leave your house, most women are probably what you'd consider 'ugly', then again I imagine you ignore them because they're not something you can entertain the idea of having sex with.
That's subjective. Even then they ride the cock carasoul. Ie. Sue Lightning, bailey jay
Do not compare based gays to disgusting, worthless trannies please. Trannies are fucking awful and deserve to be wiped off the planet.
You leave your house faggot. You've clearly never seen a girl if you think sneaky looks like one. Or you're just gay, probably both.
>Reality decides the rules,
Pfttthahhaa, Jesus Christ, shouldn't you be commenting on Ben Shaprio's latest vid not losing an argument about trans rights on Yea Forums?
>I mean completely ignoring that 'trap' is an agreed upon slur
Only in your world of tranny discords and blue checkmarks. A trap is a trap, and the term predates trangenderism entering the mainstream or even internet consciousness. It was not used as a slur, and I don't think I've ever seen it used as a slur. No, trannies taking offence to the idea of the term doesn't count.
not even best girl in her VN
Still love her tho
Wrong. Gays are legitimately fine. But trannies only exist because weak losers realized it's a way to get free attention and to make excuses for being so weak and undesirable. It's a fad and a cop out, not a real lifestyle.
Neither of those are traps.
Lmao. No he doesn't.
except he won, and you lost you disgusting tranny.
Those aren't traps, those are trannies. Trannies can never be traps. Traps have to be male, they have to be natural, and they cannot be delusional enough to think they're female.
>Gays are legitimately fine
literally this. every time someone complains about this shit? if words on a screen would turn you gay, then theres literally no hope for you
he's ugly as fuck. straights cannot crossdress without looking disgusting. only gay twinks can make drag look good.
>reddit filename
now THIS is epic
Astolfo is very manly and all you faggots are in denial.
No one was ever meant to be trans. It's not a real identity. Being gay and a crossdresser is fine, but nobody should ever be tricked into mutilating themselves or taking hormones. All estrogen does is make you fat, ugly and bald. It's not a way to become cute, it's a way to become disgusting and unlovable. People should stop trying to sell this snake oil.
>trangenderism entering the mainstream or even internet consciousness.
Are you dense, no really? Transsexualism isn't a new fad you absolute fucking brain donor. Trap was also batted about when Yea Forums was at it's height, when it was acceptable to make daily ebin jokes about black people loving watermelon and fried chicken. It has always been a slur created and used by uneducated young men unwilling to accept the reality of transsexualism. And now, all these years later you idiots are STILL unable to grasp the simple concepts surrounding it.
die faggot die
and?
Traps are not trannies. Traps hate trannies and people like you and wish you would die off. Tranny shit is definitely a new fad, and it's only growing because it gives lame ass ugly permavirgins a way to feel desirable. That's it.
Jesus, Trapfags are fucking mentally ill. A combination of porn, anime and 20+ yrs of being a virgin really does fuck you up in the head.
there needs to be reverse gay ntr smutt. basically twinktrap whose normal straight brother is horrified about whats become of his younger brother and tries to bring him back to reality and literally straighten his life out. itll go through all the motions, the straight brother trying to trick twinktrap into having sex with women or going on dates with women, while traptwink struggles with his own sexuality and the perceived shame and humilation the actions of his straight brother provide.
toss in a "got too drunk while trying to trick traptwink into fucking a girl, and had sex with twinktrap himself" awkward moment night they both try to forget about, and one of them jumping off a bridge eventually. you should just feel really bad and awful reading this, it would be great.
eh, I'd rather get fucked by the granblue boys
that pink hair ain't cutting it as manly
Some people truly believe they were born as the wrong gender, the same way some people are born attracted to members of the sex they were assigned at birth, homosexuality and transsexualism are one and the same, if you're going to argue people can be 'born gay' you have to argue people can be born trans too, it's really that simple.
Mental gymnastics are astounding
You first redditor.
Last poll happened before Abby became a thing
where can i buy this
if i like traps i get a jetpack? fucking rad
They're pre-op trannies. Use words properly, retard.
That isn't what he looks like
Got him and Karna after 3 10 rolls and got Kiara NP2, so know she is finally usable
No one was born the wrong gender. That's a lie being told to sell drugs and therapy. Being gay is also a choice, but it's a legitimate choice. Self mutilation is not a legitimate choice, and trannies are never legitimate.
that's not what he actually looked like
those people are wrong and stupid. stop trying to equate based homos with retarded shiteating trannies, you fucking parasite. no one will ever accept you the way they accept gays.
It's not gay if you don't have sex.
Trap bros
for the good of your sanity, i say this without flaming, but go back to >>/r/eddit. You care too much about the shitposting here, this site aint for you as you are too sensitive. I reiterate, im not flaming you here, i mean this genuinely.
You do know many trans individuals keep their genitalia right? It's a personal preference decision, one many trans individuals are comfortable coming to a compromise on, as choosing to have a penis removed does cause a lot of issues and requires regular post op maintenance.
Hormones aren't a big money maker, so really your argument that this is some big conspiracy so big pharma companies can make a tiny bit more money when their actual profit comes from hiking up disease medication is just moronic.
The actual truth is that Ancient notions of sexuality don't really align with modern ones (hetero/homo), and the attempt to impose labels like "heterosexual" or "homosexual" on Ancient sexual practice is anachronistic.
isn't it kind of up in the air whether or not Astolfo actually existed
i seem to recall the matter of france getting pretty... ahistorical
Have sex