What went so wrong?

Nothing. It's a great game and better than Hallway Rolls 3.

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It's alright, because for all its shittiness, we got a GOTG contender a year later.

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Stripping of lighting engine and its related mechanics. The darkness would've masked its ocassionally flat-looking environments and would've made almost every other step taken filled with additional dread and tension. I liked lighting the fires in the environments where it had them.

floaty didn't feel good weapons have toothpick durability soul memory hitboxes funky

they changed parry timing animations, fps determined wear and tear on weapons and dodge rolling was stat based

>DARK SOULSH

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you forgot metal wolf chaos

The only thing I dislike about the game is that a lot of the bosses are just really easy. Other than that, it's my second favorite fromsoft game after bb

In this thread we list things Dark Souls 2 did that were far better than Dark Souls 3. I'll start:

>No bonfire and no death challenge where you can beat the game without resting at a bonfire or dying to gain a reward and bragging rights

>Non-linear first half of the game allows you to rush straight to the areas of the game that contain the items for your build

>Chugging Estus immobilizes you, and the heal isn't instantaneous meaning trying to chug while someone is sticking close to you will result in death

>Stamina regeneration is tied to weight, so a character at 10% burden will recover their bar faster than a character at 70% burden, giving an advantage and a reason to make a low burden character

>Poise exists and armor provides relevant, but not overpowering damage reduction, giving an advantage and a reason to make a high burden character

>Phantoms and Dark Spirits cannot chug estus, spirits can only heal via spell useage which is slow. This makes fighting outnumbered even without mob assistance possible since any damage you do sticks

>Can only perform four rolls before running out of stamina

>Can only perform 5 attacks of a rapier or straight sword before running out of stamina

>Parrying has longer recovery frames and consumes more stamina, making parry fishing riskier and makes parrying require higher skill

>Power stance allowing for unique combinations of dual wielding and unlocking an alternative moveset for weapons

>Being able to use the full moveset of a weapon in your off-hand including running, rolling, backstepping, etc. attacks rather than just being able to do a basic R1 swing and blocking with the weapon as it is in Ds3 (lmao who would ever want to weapon block)

>Bell Tower covenant providing two unique optional areas to PvP for Titanite Chunks, Slabs, and Twinkling, making farming for upgrades fun

>Bonfire ascetics to replay bosses you like and or gain items from NG+ and beyond without grinding through the whole game again

Why yes, I do realize Dark Souls 2 is the best game in the franchise, how could you tell?

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Please don't post pasta in my thread.

The gigantic brain tumor was a dead giveaway.

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Top many forgettable boss. Soul could work with less boss, but they have to be something that "hit" the player.

your helmet is too high you couldn't fit

Unpatched DAS2 was pretty fun.
Mostly because Faith was pretty easy to get, and worked pretty well.
Meanwhile in DaS3 a lot of bosses are a lot harder than on release, because every single weapon is now 10-20% slower, making it harder to recover or punish.

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can people with wrong opinions like please abstain from posting

thank you
1>des>ds3>ds2>bb>>>>>>>sekiro

>better than Hallway Rolls 3.
I hope you don't actually believe this.

Also most if not all weapons lacking wind ups/aiming periods.
It gets so bad that even the NPC phantoms have their issues with this.
Just recently Maldron tried to stab me in the back with his lance after he rolled but attacked in a completely wrong direction since you can't properly aim after an action.

Cut out about 1/4 of those DS2 areas that are only PvP covenants

shit opinions
this is the objective ranking
DaS1 = BB > DeS > DaS3 > DaS2

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Objective Ranking Alert
Bloodborne = DS3 with dlc > sekiro > ds1 > des >>> ds2

ds3 is the most boring game of the series and you know it

Deja vu but no you presumptuous tard, it plays noticeably worse than DaS1

imagine this, rolling i frames are related to a skill, while the animation and speed and all are still the same.

when played ds2 after ds3 holy shit it felt so bad. gameplay was so clunky. and the worst thing was the rolling. inb4 youre going to joke about this because i come from ds3. yes, i tried rolling a lot, but even if i didnt, its in the game, and everybody rolls. so, the fact that i kept getting hit while doing nearly perfect roll confused me so much. Then my friend ended up telling me that its bound to a stat. LUL. I stopped playing eventually because this game just felt way too retarded.

couple months after that and i played ds1. I thought it was going to be a worse experience because how can it be better than ds2 right? I must have gotten used to the smooth modern mechanics of ds3, so this even older game must feel shittier right? no, it was so great. i couldnt believe how shit ds2 felt but how ds1 didnt make me want to kill myself like ds2 did. it wasnt the fact that it was old, it was the fact that it was TRASH LUL.

that is, compared to the other 2. I liked ds2, but it suprised me how people say its better. you must be mentally retarded to think this. this is not an opinion.

We already know beat-for-beat exatly what went wrong with Dark Souls 2

Fromsoft is pretty open about the issues they faced during development.
youtube.com/watch?v=5g5EK4x20Ds

Dark Souls 2 gave us the best video tho youtu.be/2kr7KDCsIws

Everything, but soulsfags are usually idiotic fanboys who spout whatever the popular opinion is. A year ago or so, all the soulstubers suddenly started making videos about how 3 sicked and how 2 is actually amazing. Redditors and others without their own opinion agree, because it makes them feel cool to be contrarians while also being safe on a popular bandwagon where everybody will parrot each other.

This is the average 2fag. Constantly seeking validation despite people agreeing with him, and posting nothing of value. Imagine saying 2 has better graphics when it looks worse than the first. You can go on any souls video and find one of these braindead attention whores.

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how in the name of everything that is even slightly holy, does that guy believe that ds2 has better graphics than ds3. at this point its just retardation i dont know what to say.

How? Ds3 is the best of the lot, only falling short with it's PvP.

Dark Souls 3

Reddit Souls

>’because ds2 has more s-soul’
Looking good and having a solid initial playthrough is like the only thing DS3 really got right.

>t. cant enjoy things if its not edgy right wing propaganda

/pol/ please leave

pcpoors with shit rigs defending the only good port they had.

Ultimately plays stiff and looks ugly, it is objectively the most ‘rushed’ of the trilogy. Has the most amount of “features” for some reason, likely in an attempt to make up for the rushed playthrough; bonfire aesetics are cool but DS2 is the last place I want to use it.

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>boogeyman
lmao

>bonfire aesetics are cool but DS2 is the last place I want to use it.
this.

BB>3>2>1

Nothing, Fromsoft Babies just hate fun, every game has to have the only selling quality of "lol its hard!" to even be understood with their sub 50 IQ brains.
If you DARE to insult their game or series calling it shit, they go on a tangent about how "NO ITS THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD".
I bet you one will reply to me because all 3 brain cells he has are fired up since I insulted his favorite series.

Just fought Abhorent Beast on the platform in Forbidden Wood and it's not an experience I would recommend to anyone.

>every game has to have the only selling quality of "lol its hard!"
If that's true, why is the one game in the series that focused on this the most, to the point of even mocking the player about it in the introduction cutscene, also by far the most hated by fans of the series?

its my favorite souls game. what went wrong was soul memory and the graphics being downgraded. other than those two things its a very solid game

Well you're obviously retarded

DS3 is easily one of the worst games ever made.

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It was made like many sequels are made. Just for the sake of it.

Agree

Casual baby roll 3 is the most boring one

BB>DS2>DS1>DS>Sekiro>DS3

>Linear as fuck
>Spam estus without punishment
>Barely any secrets
>Invasions is always 1vs4
>Host can run and avoid everything until the boss fight because the game is plane , with barely any traps
>Most of mobs lost aggro after 3 seconds of chasing you
>Magic sucks so badly
>People can roll almost infinite.
>Only 1-2 effective builds in all teh game plus DLC.
>Bonfires every 10 meters so people doesn't have to actually worry about dying to much.
>No armor upgrades
>Story is just more " HUUR REMEMBER DS1?"

DS3 only have graphics and nothing else, is the worst game ever made from Software.

ds2 fags LMAO
name one boss from ds2 thats anywhere NEAR as kino as friede, gael, SoC, nameless king, etc

>If you DARE to insult their game or series calling it shit, they go on a tangent about how "NO ITS THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD".
No, I'll just think you're retarded or shitposting and typically not reply, seeing as it's almost always results in a conflation of "responding = ur mad".
It's all so tiresome

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>>Linear as fuck
>>Spam estus without punishment
>>Magic sucks so badly
>>People can roll almost infinite.
>>Only 1-2 effective builds in all teh game plus DLC.
>>No armor upgrades
You just described Bloodborne.

>He plays DS tittles for killing bosses.

I pity on you ds3 fag, this is why you drop the game after finishing it with 4 phantoms tied to your balls.

>didnt answer
>projecting
yeah thats what i thought

>Dark Souls 3 is casual garbag-

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>boot up DaS2 literally minutes ago
>literally place summon sign
>get summoned literally instantly
It's very nice the game is still active. Literally.

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>>boot up DaS2 literally minutes ago
>>literally place summon sign
>>get summoned literally instantly
>It's very nice the game is still active. Literally.

This, I still play from time to time and it's quite funny how much people shit on this game yet it's still active.

where is this from? i'd like to read the rest

On the bosses, DS2 has the worst bosses in the series. I'm shit at these games, and I never first-tried so many bosses as I did in DS2

>DS2 has the worst bosses in the series.
Not when 3 exists.

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Please don't pretend DS2 had better bosses than 3. Even the most deluded of DS2fags know that's stupid.

At least they were challenging. A huge number of DS2 bosses were a joke. The actual gank fights leading up to every boss were infinitely harder

Poor lighting made graphics look even shittier than they were

Poor animations making it hard to gauge your's and enemies' attacks

Dumb balancing decisions (enemy placement, roll stat, etc). It feels like the systems were intended for one type of game but the levels and enemies go against it.

>At least they were challenging.

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nigger that's NG+

I didn't even need to crit DS2 bosses. R1 spam works on 95% of bosses in it

There's no way in hell DaS 3 or DaS 2 are better than Bloodborne. DaS 2 is just awful all around.
Based. DaS 1 would be better than BB if it was a completed game, but everything after Anor Londo (not counting DLC) is a real letdown. At least BB was thrilling the entire way, and the DLC was great.

>Get MH director to make a souls game
>He envisions a souls game with an open world like MH
>task proves too difficult for B-team, Bamco fires director early on
>B-team forced to make a game out of assets intended for completely different purposes.

>Looking good and having a solid initial playthrough is like the only thing DS3 really got right.
No. Just no, fuck off, eat the shit from my asshole, and die in a ditch. DaS 3 was a linear game with open environments that there was almost no reason to explore most of the time, and ultimately no resolution to thousands of questions that they set up over time to the lore. DaS was never about the bosses, and DaS 3 makes it ENTIRELY about the bosses with NO redeeming qualities whatsoever apart from a few memorable boss fights.

>It somehow looks worse than 1
>Too many bosses are just dudes with armor
These are the first that come to mind but its enough to make It way less replayable

>posts webm of character with ridiculous equipment and stats fighting a boss from the first third of the game
Kill yourself kid

Sir Alonne

okay, well uh wrong

It's true. DS3 is the hardest Souls game by a large margin.

That's probably why it gets so much hate.

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>but everything after Anor Londo (not counting DLC) is a real letdown
Nice reddit meme
Only DR/LI is "bad". And it's just because it's so short compared to other end game areas

>And the duke's archives i suppose..... thats off the table

It's the engine different?

This.

>goes from heavy armor to virtually none
>dies more
Of course he would die more. If you ever watched his LPs, he's a terrible dodger and relies on 100% shields in DS 1 and 2.

it's way too easy

bb also kinda sucks

PC kids played boring des ripoff das first, so they couldn't comprehend how bad and unfinished first dark souls was and praised it as a masterpiece
PC fanbase ruins everything, like always

Where to start?
First it was too self-aware of the prepare to die meme. Lots of artificial difficulty.
The game itself looks like ass. Lots of bad textures and poor lighting effects. Somehow DeS looks better.
Soul Memory is broken
Adaptability stat is broken
Bosses are uninspired and repetitive. Mostly heavy knights with telegraphed attacks but punishing due to the shit hitbox detection.
Level design is disjointed and logically inconsistent.
The lore and NPCs are completely forgettable.
There's a lot of weapons but not much actual variety.
Lots of hipsters & contrarians will claim it's based but most Souls fans accept it's easily the weakest of the series.

wait wait wait. there is exactly like 4 challening bosses in ALL of ds3 and the dlc

midir
friede
gael (sorta)
nameless king

and two of those bosses are optional. it's got by far the easiest bosses in the games

Vials are very punishable in bloodborne, retarded pc kids
No wonder you defend first dark souls and das 3

>The game looks like absolute as-

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>wait wait wait
Oh dear, it's a summer fag. At least I know all your opinions are invalid because you're 14

>ds3 is the hardest
people don't actually believe this right? I just did my first blind play through and I did numerous bosses/areas totally deathless

>almost completely dark scene with no color
>this is a DS2 tards metric for "looking good"
The whole game is washed out and garbage. Majula looks impressive until you realize it's because they bloomed it out the ass from the sun

you don't even have an argument name a hard boss from the game besides the 4 I listed

>No.
Yes, dumbass. Everything came apart after the first playthrough, every crack showed through, and it ended up being just as shortsighted as DS2 in the end.
That first initial playthrough fooled everyone, but was infinitely more solid than DS2’s initial run; a whole lot of good coming from having all those first choice bosses being shit.

Bee team

This looks like shit

I genuinely wonder how many versions they went throught
>Shibuya version that had fuckall done
>time travel version where we only know the story of
>alpha version that was released in a "polished" state
>beta/lighting version that also featured different versions of multiple maps that got scrapped

>First it was too self-aware of the prepare to die meme
And so pc kids strike again, they don't even know that das literally had trailer slogan prepare to die thanks to des reputation, but unironically was braindead easy compared to des

demon's souls >>>>dark souls 1 > the rest of the garbo

suck it fags

Nameless King is the most overrated boss of DS3, he's fairly mediocre and is preceded by a shittastic King of the Sky.

DeS didn't have a reputation; it was just seen as a solid game.

What makes you dislike ds3?

DS2 gets increasingly better in hindsight, and even though it was rushed and outsourced to underpaid Chinamen it at least had new ideas to bring to the table. DS3 is just a focus-tested Hollywood interpretation of the first game. No risks, all the edges completely smoothed out, nothing memorable or even interesting.

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Refer to

he's sorta hard to dodge his AOE flame attack and his lightning attack.

I didn't say he was a good boss. I don't really think ds3 has any good bosses. visually they are cool but most of them suck

still looks like a PS2 game
all the souls games look outdated, relative to their release, but at least they do a fantastic job of making well realized worlds with strong art direction and clever use of lighting
DaS2 looks so washed out in certain areas, as if these areas were intended to be darker, and the repeating textures are so noticable

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Hell no, it's easy as fuck to just run the fuck away and spam vials, none of the bosses are aggressive enough to punish you for it.

It's not bad, it's just probably the worst Souls game
most bullshit too
>go through this large area mostly blind while fighting strong enemies
>ok, now fight two tigers

>he's sorta hard to dodge his AOE flame attack and his lightning attack.
Both are trivial to dodge once you know their gimmick. The only difficulty in beating NK comes from his damage.

this is funny but unfair

lmfao

What exactly you trying to show

if you didn't first try
>gundyr
>tree balls
>deacons
>big skeleton
>bort
>sage
>old demon king
>pontiff
>Yhorm (once you find out his gimmick)
>ocerios
>ancient wyvern
>soul of cinder
you should probably never comment in one of these threads again.

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well I played the game blind. sorry I didn't watch 40 streamers first

>Top
Soul
>Bottom
Soulless

you didnt first try any of these

are you actually this casual?

Consoles.

Ironically, its the reverse

/thread

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>pontiff
>first try

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The themes of II are pretty interesting, surprised it's not brought up more often.

The correct attitude is to enjoy all Soulsgames, but for different reasons. It's ok to have a favourite. Don't get upset over people's preference.

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how come in dark souls 2, 3 and BB you get like 400x times the souls you get in dark souls 1?

my first run of all 3 of those games I was over level 80 by the end without ever grinding

>What went so wrong?
Shibuya's incompetency.

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The average player was shown to be terrible at video games and completely unequipped mentally to adapt to changing game mechanics and timings so the multitude threw the game in the garbage because looking at themselves in the mirror and coming to terms with their own inadequacy was harder then any souls game could ever be

to be fair, all it takes is SL60 to thoroughly decimate AoA's bosses in DaS1, considering the the OP poise system

Plebbitors spotted.

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I could see dying to him on a first attempt. I just happened to first try him, looking back I shouldn't have included him as I could see his doppleganger giving someone less cautious some trouble.

but really more than one or two deaths to him means you either are shit at the game or playing your very first souls game.

a lot, but it's still the most enjoyable pvp scene out of all soulsborne games

>speedrunner
are ds2fags pathological liars or something

>soulsborne

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cope

ds3 brought GWAPHICS babbies into the fold when previous games were too ugly.

this is what soiled the das community beyond repair worse than pctubbies ever could (though there is a lot of overlap)

yeah nice psyop kid
PC fanbase thought the game was full of artificial difficulty because they're bad at games

>I could see his doppleganger giving someone less cautious some trouble.
I don't. The thing with Pontiff is that he has an extremely agressive first phase (and goes back to that if you kill the phantom) and unless someone knows you're supposed to parry his initial leap he's in for a shit time. Doppelganger phase is when he chills out a bit and becomes way more predictable.

>ds2 any% is 15 minutes
>ds3 any% is 32 minutes
lmao pack it up boys
ds2 isnt hard, just trash

Because it's inconsequential and not handled very well, I feel for all the characters going hollow in 1 and 3 more than for Lucatiel.

>Bad level design that was hastely slapped together
>Generic enemy designs
>Bland af bosses
>Looks and plays like a Chinese bootleg
>Difficulty only comes from lazy devs copy and pasting more enemies

why would you ever talk to any npc in 3?

idk I've only fought him one time. can't say I know his moveset very well

>DaS1
>bad
we get it user, you couldn't beat Capra Demon

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Why wouldn't you?

>The level design is shi-

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I've said this a dozen times in the past but Scholar plays like a high quality ROM hack of the original game
PC gamers get the best deal as they can play the base game and then the best possible NG+ afterwards via SOTFS

The house I grew up in actually had a side door to the backyard that just opened up to a 5 foot drop

-t.

dsogaming.com/screenshot-news/new-dark-souls-2-screenshots-released/
Nice bullshot you got there.
Too bad that it looks terrible when enlarged.

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because they say nothing interesting I spoke to a couple a few times and then just killed them all

>using the FPS mod
>blaming the game
lmao

Frigid outskirts

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Nothing, cuck.

thats cause your an retard

you just posted the absolute worst and most lazily designed area of the game
I'd rather play DS3 with its MUH SWAMPS than ever go through Black Gulch again

it's pure QUALITY

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Scholar fixed nothing from the base game and just made everything worse.

nothing really

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I mean, how the fuck do you even manage to do something like those jail cells as level designer?

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>missing out on stabbing your waifu/husbando in the face in your wedding
Pleb

Is that Quan Chi or Kratos?

I don't care.

You might have autism, my friend.

yeah but if you've already played the base game it's actually kinda fun to see how the Devs decided to fuck with the base game
for this reason PC is best way to experience DS2

>do i fit in yet

>caring about some bland ass bullshit means you don't have autism
well then I'm glad to have autism

its a good game but not a great dark souls game

its the worst mechanically for the most part and have some new things that are just REALLY bad compared to the rest of the series.
Its world is interesting, cool themes and wraps around a lot but the game is a fucking maze in the wrong places and you will be fighting the same enemies for the entire game. Its weapons are scaled really well and you can find yourself running with a variety of builds, but many magics nerfed to uselss because they were OP before. Then of course we have stuff like Soul memory, non respawning enemies, hit boxes, weapon durability, estus starting, humanity replacement, life gems. the game is at best incredibly flawed with controversial issues. Because of the things i care about in a souls game i put it on par with 3 with enjoying 1 the most

Should've taken that time to UNfuck the game instead.

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>good game but not good x game
stopped reading

This.

Don't really know what you're trying to prove when Gael is better than literally every single DS2 boss.

It's not even a good game on its own and would've been ignored and only remembered as "ah yes, that unfinished mess of a game" if it wasn't called Dark Souls.

>implying any dark souls game is finished

>best souls by a wide margin
>"what went wrong"

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>Implying any game is finished

Maybe it was because I played DS1 before but I first timed a lot of the bosses in DS3.
Except Pontiff. Anyone who says they beat him the first time is lying

lost izalith has a similar spot though

Dark souls 1 is the best but dark souls 2 is far better than 3.

no lmao

literally only the first is a genuine problem

Dark souls 3 is so soulless and is only worth one playthrough.

dark souls 2*

This.

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sure but some of the best games are flawed gems. not to mention one of the most popular games of all time (skyrim) is such an unfinished buggy mess the released the game with game breaking bugs years and years after initial release after port and remaster. Darksouls 2 would be a hidden gem sure but it wouldnt be considered bad especially when compared to most other shit. Compared to lords of the fallen which came out the same year its a MUCH better which lucky for it fell into the obscurity of dark souls like games search results which could be much worse

That's only one of the many, MANY problems of that area.
LI is finished and polished compared to King's Passage where not even the door works properly.

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Playing through dark souls 3 is the equivalent of eating stale bread.

DS2fags are basically just baiting at this point, there's no way they can actually believe like 75% of the shit they've been flinging in these threads. I'm convinced it's a discord server of about a 100 of these faggots that make these threads daily posting the same shit over and over when deep down they know that DS2 is the most flawed in many ways

dark souls 2*

Skyrim was helped by massive "YOU CAN DO ANYTHING, EVEN CLIMB THAT MOUNTAIN!" marketing and the fact that you could mod the shit out of it to the point where we got total conversion like Enderal.
Meanwhile I've yet to see a total overhaul or even normal mod of DS2 that reimplements the original maps, fixes shit like Shrine of Winter, redoes the original story, etc.

The Surge is unironically better than DaS2.

Ds2 is trash but it isn’t as bad as Ds3 lmao

ds2 is so much worse than dark souls 3

FPBP
It was better then 3 in a lot of aspects

oh no no no

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kys nogger

ds2fags eternally btfo